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2013-10-16 10:43:24 PM  
Get busy doing one or the other.
 
2013-10-16 11:20:32 PM  
Like I'm gonna care
 
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2013-10-17 01:39:46 AM  
There's a lot of things I don't understand about this. But I also know it's true, unfortunately.
 
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2013-10-17 01:42:22 AM  
Or, "there are" if you are in that sort of mood. Although "a lot" is technically singular.
 
2013-10-17 02:52:47 AM  
That dude sounds like an asshole
 
2013-10-17 05:23:22 AM  
spinoff.comicbookresources.com
 
2013-10-17 05:49:33 AM  
Harvest my organs I haven't burnt out, donate to science.  Book it, done.
 
2013-10-17 05:51:38 AM  
Cremation isn't about leaving a "smaller foot print", you ass. It is affordable.


/buried 4 brothers
/ deathcare industry does not care about you. It gets you at your worst moment and shakes you down.
///Caring For Your Dead is a very good read.
 
2013-10-17 05:54:59 AM  
This is terrible stuff, when my exs father died she then funeral homes she priced were iffy about giving a price, they wanted access to a direct insurance pay out, they guilt tripped her family over the types of caskets and the rooms and displays they used.

I have never felt more disgusted at a business then the way multiple funeral homes went out of there way to try to up sell,

Its not like they are gonna run out of business for gods sake
 
2013-10-17 05:59:08 AM  
when i'm dead, just throw me in the trash
 
2013-10-17 06:00:58 AM  
This isn't exactly news, is it? Jessica Mitford wrote "The American Way of Death" fifty years ago. It's a great read.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-10-17 06:01:03 AM  

combatcarlson: when i'm dead, just throw me in the trash


www.screeninsults.com
 
2013-10-17 06:01:17 AM  
Cremation will itself be overtaken by alkaline hydrolysis which is cheaper and more environmentally friendly than cremation
 
2013-10-17 06:04:25 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Cremation will itself be overtaken by alkaline hydrolysis which is cheaper and more environmentally friendly than cremation


And more effective than White's acid bath.
 
2013-10-17 06:05:45 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Cremation will itself be overtaken by alkaline hydrolysis which is cheaper and more environmentally friendly than cremation


Oooooooh. New ways to bury our dead are always a fascination for me.
 
2013-10-17 06:08:34 AM  
Oh, and here's something good for a laugh.  There actually are people who really believe that it's a "bad testimony" to be cremated simply because cremation is part of some "pagan" funeral rites.
 
2013-10-17 06:16:55 AM  
What a modestly priced receptacle might look like:
rumfordmeteor.com
 
2013-10-17 06:28:37 AM  
www.hdwallpapersinn.com
 
2013-10-17 07:08:03 AM  

dragonchild: What a modestly priced receptacle might look like:
[rumfordmeteor.com image 640x480]


I'm okay with this when I kick it. I'll have earned it with the shiat I'm gonna demand for the wake.

/Let's just say it would be in your best interest to have memorized everything that was ever played on Dr. Demento
 
2013-10-17 07:22:41 AM  
After a year of cancer and a month of hospice care in my house, anyone who wanted to 'see' my mother had the bloody chance while she was alive.

Couldn't have been happier with the 'cremation society'.  When we called (and the hospice nurse said, "yep, that's dead"), the guys with the van came and took her.  Next morning, the director came to my house in her jeans and F-150 to fill out the death certificate details on her iPad.  A week later, she drops off ashes in a plastic box and the certificates came in the mail.  Under $1000.  No somber music, no crappy wallpaper.
 
2013-10-17 07:27:34 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Another Government Employee: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Cremation will itself be overtaken by alkaline hydrolysis which is cheaper and more environmentally friendly than cremation

And more effective than White's acid bath.

Oh I dunno.... hydroflouric acid is pretty cheap... the trick is finding someone to dissolve you in it without fear of arrest.


Sulfuric acid and 30% hydrogen peroxide. It is called pihrana for a reason.
 
2013-10-17 07:31:26 AM  
When the time comes send me a bill.

/I've already made it clear to my wife not to waste resources/land on a burial
//Cremate, compost or dissolve the body.
///Flush whatever is left down the toilet for all I care.
 
2013-10-17 07:32:15 AM  

New hotness: the high cost of dying


Bollocks. Dying is free. The cost is in all the unnecessary ritual nonsense afterwards.
 
2013-10-17 07:35:16 AM  
Had to help a friend with the accidental death of her son (13).  The key was steering her to the low priced options, which you had to look for.  I thought I was going to have to strangle the funeral director a few times

Cremated dad (cancer), visitation (and sort of party) at the house, service at the church, and interment in a niche.  Reasonable costs.  I do like the niche, someplace to place a flower, show my kids their grandfather.
Cremation is really the way to go.
 
2013-10-17 07:38:37 AM  
I just want to be chucked in a green cemetery. Cover my body with enough dirt up to my shoulders and plant a tree over my belly. Walk away. In ten years come back and dropkick my skull into a river.

/ta-da!
 
2013-10-17 07:42:33 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster


Englebert Slaptyback: New hotness: the high cost of dying


Bollocks. Dying is free. The cost is in all the unnecessary ritual nonsense afterwards.

body disposal isn't free thanks to all the regulations from the state.


You probably should read that again. "Body disposal" falls under the bolded word.

Even with the regulations in place, post-death actions do not need to be as expensive as they are. That was the point. A simple green burial will be inexpensive and will not require the use of a luxury casket, funeral parlor, etc.

If the body is not embalmed the burial requirements are not as strict.
 
2013-10-17 07:43:50 AM  
If you ever have to pick out a casket for someone, OMG the sales job they'll give you. There are some hella expensive caskets, and they have become experts at high pressure sales at the worst possible moment in your life.

Go with the lowest priced option you can find. It will be visible for all of an hour, and in the ground forever after that. No reason for the fancy or expensive ones.
 
2013-10-17 07:44:31 AM  

Shadowtag: I'm okay with this when I kick it. I'll have earned it with the shiat I'm gonna demand for the wake.


If you're a Farker, I don't know if you can be legally cremated.  I think the EPA might intervene.

HindiDiscoMonster: body disposal isn't free thanks to all the regulations from the state.


They're not all nonsense.  I've heard a number of people say things like "Just dump me in a forest to decompose" but the problem is that some years later when people have forgotten about your cadaver, somebody walking a dog will find the remains and it opens up a murder investigation.

Anastacya: Cover my body with enough dirt up to my shoulders and plant a tree over my belly. Walk away. In ten years come back and dropkick my skull into a river.


Why drop kick?  America has the best placekickers in the world.
 
2013-10-17 07:44:49 AM  
The funeral industry has lobbied to create the high price of burial.  Can't just be put in a cardboard box and rot 6 feet under. You  have to have a casket and at least a liner.  Justifying it as a way to prevent contamination of ground water supplies.

I'm pretty certain there's more stuff in the woods rotting than you can shake a stick at on any given day.  It's like most industries with a lobby group.  Have laws created to preserve your industry while insuring increasing profits.

The funeral industry is actually lower than lawyers on my totem pole.
 
2013-10-17 07:47:29 AM  

dragonchild: Shadowtag: I'm okay with this when I kick it. I'll have earned it with the shiat I'm gonna demand for the wake.

If you're a Farker, I don't know if you can be legally cremated.  I think the EPA might intervene.

HindiDiscoMonster: body disposal isn't free thanks to all the regulations from the state.

They're not all nonsense.  I've heard a number of people say things like "Just dump me in a forest to decompose" but the problem is that some years later when people have forgotten about your cadaver, somebody walking a dog will find the remains and it opens up a murder investigation.

Anastacya: Cover my body with enough dirt up to my shoulders and plant a tree over my belly. Walk away. In ten years come back and dropkick my skull into a river.

Why drop kick?  America has the best placekickers in the world.


The extra challenge.
 
2013-10-17 08:16:46 AM  
I hate the smell of funeral homes.
 
2013-10-17 08:22:43 AM  

Shirley Ujest: / deathcare industry does not care about you. It gets you at your worst moment and shakes you down.


no commercial organisation gives a shiat about anything except the bottom line. if they could make money by kicking you in the balls they'd do it

/ add me to the list of 'spend a minimum when I die', and I don't want some awful morbid funeral either. or indeed any funeral
 
2013-10-17 08:24:19 AM  
I want an air burial.
 
2013-10-17 08:24:28 AM  

Pick: I hate the smell of funeral homes.


Hey, just be glad they invented embalming. Otherwise they'd smell worse.
 
2013-10-17 08:28:27 AM  
Where I live you can sign up for $700.00 to be buried six feet under.

After death the blood is drained, but that's it.  You are put into a grocery bag basically and then dirt.

No head stone either and after 100 years they reuse the plot as there is nothing left, the old ashes to ashes thing.

You can't even tell there is a cemetery until you are right on top of it and see a little flat square flat stone with a number.

My Grandmother bought here plot and coffin 40 years before she died.  She was buried in a cardboard box.  She paid 150.00 back in 30's and died in the 70's.  If she had waited it would have been $5,000 even then.

Dead is dead, we ain't gonna care.
 
2013-10-17 08:30:54 AM  

CokeBear: If you ever have to pick out a casket for someone, OMG the sales job they'll give you. There are some hella expensive caskets, and they have become experts at high pressure sales at the worst possible moment in your life.

Go with the lowest priced option you can find. It will be visible for all of an hour, and in the ground forever after that. No reason for the fancy or expensive ones.



THIS THIS THIS.

When my FiL died, the funeral home director tried to pressure and guilt trip my MiL into buying the most expensive casket they had. Fortunately my wife was there and was able to talk her out of doing so. Still, they ended up with a  midrange casket and zinc lined vault because, according to the funeral director, "the cemetary doesn't want the ground to settle over the casket". Bullshiat; we saw numerous older graves where that had happened when he was buried; just throw some more dirt on top and replant the grass (or add sod).

Same thing happened when my MiL died suddenly; again the funeral director put the high pressure tactics on my wife to buy the expensive stuff. She and her best friend refused to go that route and she was buried in a nice one, but not the luxury model they always push on you.

I've made it very clear to my wife and anyone else who might be involved that I was to be cremated; after that they could do what they wanted with the remains. I don't see the point in using up valuable space for me after I'm dead. If they want a memorial they can donate money to a charity or set up a scholarship in my name, something like that. It just seems so pointless to preserve the body, then seal it in multiple waterproof layers. For that matter just dig a vertical hole and drop the body, wrapped in a burlap bag, in and fill it up with fertilizer. I'd prefer that if the law would allow it.
 
2013-10-17 08:41:43 AM  
When I die, I want to be cremated and my ashes cast in the ocean. I understand that due to regulations, this will need to be done several miles out. A boat will need to be chartered.

If people bring along fishing poles and beer, I will not, in fact, be upset. Just dump the ashes overboard after all the lines are up, as I don't want any question about fish being caught with my ashes in their bellies. If they get too drunk and forget, they'll just have to go out again the next weekend.

Just because I never get to go fishing doesn't mean they don't.
 
2013-10-17 08:54:44 AM  

Bendal: CokeBear: If you ever have to pick out a casket for someone, OMG the sales job they'll give you. There are some hella expensive caskets, and they have become experts at high pressure sales at the worst possible moment in your life.

Go with the lowest priced option you can find. It will be visible for all of an hour, and in the ground forever after that. No reason for the fancy or expensive ones.


THIS THIS THIS.

When my FiL died, the funeral home director tried to pressure and guilt trip my MiL into buying the most expensive casket they had. Fortunately my wife was there and was able to talk her out of doing so. Still, they ended up with a  midrange casket and zinc lined vault because, according to the funeral director, "the cemetary doesn't want the ground to settle over the casket". Bullshiat; we saw numerous older graves where that had happened when he was buried; just throw some more dirt on top and replant the grass (or add sod).

Same thing happened when my MiL died suddenly; again the funeral director put the high pressure tactics on my wife to buy the expensive stuff. She and her best friend refused to go that route and she was buried in a nice one, but not the
luxury model they always push on you.

I've made it very clear to my wife and anyone else who might be involved that I was to be cremated; after that they could do what they wanted with the remains. I don't see the point in using up valuable space for me after I'm dead. If they want a memorial they can donate money to a charity or set up a scholarship in my name, something like that. It just seems so pointless to preserve the body, then seal it in multiple waterproof layers. For that matter just dig a vertical hole and drop the body, wrapped in a burlap bag, in and fill it up with fertilizer. I'd prefer that if the law would allow it.


Getting you to buy the mid-range one means "they've won."  They just sold you a fancy box to bury in the ground for Crazy money instead of BatShiat Insane money.  It's like buying a TV at one of those terrible electronics retailers.  They start by showing you the $9k 72" model with the built-in fog machine and when you leave with a $4k TV and optional gold-plated cables that is way more than you need you still feel like you got a good deal because you went "middle of the road."

I don't endorse burial but if it's what you want to do then go for it.  However, why people feel that their deceased loved ones would really want a fancier box to rot in I'll never understand.
 
2013-10-17 09:05:54 AM  
My husband is a potter and ten years older than me. So, likely he will die first. We like the idea of cremation and then using the ashes in a glaze so I can have a coffee mug with me in the nursing home that says "World's Best Husband".

He also has a car kiln that is big and powerful enough to burn a body. But that's illegal and all. And the bigger fragments of bones would still have to be crushed.
 
2013-10-17 09:27:06 AM  
Told my family not to worry as my will requests cremation.  I hope Viking ships aren't too expensive when I die.
 
2013-10-17 09:50:48 AM  
I remember hearing this story somewhere before.

m5.paperblog.com
 
2013-10-17 10:04:11 AM  
Toss me in the woods for the critters.

"Who's going to pay your bills after you die?????1"  I'm not going to care and my wife isn't going to pay them.  Quite the pickle.
 
2013-10-17 10:04:45 AM  
It's funny that it's the opposite for pets.  Our 17 year old cat passed away about a month ago.  We'd spent an average of $1000 per month for the last part of her life on medical bills.  Then it only cost a bit over $100 for the euthanasia and about $150 for cremation and the most modestly-priced receptacle they had (which actually was nice looking anyway).  No wonder so many asshat pet owners choose to euthanize instead of getting their pets needed medical care.
 
2013-10-17 10:39:41 AM  

Kujira: Get busy doing one or the other.


You're not gonna get a better "done in one" than that, folks.
 
2013-10-17 10:47:55 AM  

TheSelphie: It's funny that it's the opposite for pets.  Our 17 year old cat passed away about a month ago.  We'd spent an average of $1000 per month for the last part of her life on medical bills.  Then it only cost a bit over $100 for the euthanasia and about $150 for cremation and the most modestly-priced receptacle they had (which actually was nice looking anyway).  No wonder so many asshat pet owners choose to euthanize instead of getting their pets needed medical care.


insurance is your friend (and it was mine and my furry friend Jack's as well)
 
2013-10-17 10:59:49 AM  
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Not to worry.   I'm covered by Old Glory Colonial Penn.
 
2013-10-17 11:05:10 AM  
Funerals are for the living. Cremate me and have a small get together to remember all the good things about me. Should be a pretty quick ceremony.
 
2013-10-17 11:06:07 AM  

Lady J: TheSelphie: It's funny that it's the opposite for pets.  Our 17 year old cat passed away about a month ago.  We'd spent an average of $1000 per month for the last part of her life on medical bills.  Then it only cost a bit over $100 for the euthanasia and about $150 for cremation and the most modestly-priced receptacle they had (which actually was nice looking anyway).  No wonder so many asshat pet owners choose to euthanize instead of getting their pets needed medical care.

insurance is your friend (and it was mine and my furry friend Jack's as well)


People pay to have their pets cremated?  When my past pets reached the point where it was going to be lots of money for a short extension of life with severely decreased quality and continued visible pain, I had my vet come over (or we went there) for euthanasia and we brought the pet back home and buried them in the backyard.

I'm looking forward to eventually taking kids to grandma/grandpa's and tell them about the ancient indian pet burial ground after they find it.  Might be some fun.
 
2013-10-17 11:17:12 AM  

togaman2k: Lady J: TheSelphie: It's funny that it's the opposite for pets.  Our 17 year old cat passed away about a month ago.  We'd spent an average of $1000 per month for the last part of her life on medical bills.  Then it only cost a bit over $100 for the euthanasia and about $150 for cremation and the most modestly-priced receptacle they had (which actually was nice looking anyway).  No wonder so many asshat pet owners choose to euthanize instead of getting their pets needed medical care.

insurance is your friend (and it was mine and my furry friend Jack's as well)

People pay to have their pets cremated?  When my past pets reached the point where it was going to be lots of money for a short extension of life with severely decreased quality and continued visible pain, I had my vet come over (or we went there) for euthanasia and we brought the pet back home and buried them in the backyard.

I'm looking forward to eventually taking kids to grandma/grandpa's and tell them about the ancient indian pet burial ground after they find it.  Might be some fun.


no I meant insurance covers the vet's bills. my cat's buried in the back garden

the insurance also covered the call out charge so the vet could do the deed at our house, rather than having to put him in a cat box and cart him round there
 
2013-10-17 11:17:54 AM  

Lady J: TheSelphie: It's funny that it's the opposite for pets.  Our 17 year old cat passed away about a month ago.  We'd spent an average of $1000 per month for the last part of her life on medical bills.  Then it only cost a bit over $100 for the euthanasia and about $150 for cremation and the most modestly-priced receptacle they had (which actually was nice looking anyway).  No wonder so many asshat pet owners choose to euthanize instead of getting their pets needed medical care.

insurance is your friend (and it was mine and my furry friend Jack's as well)


Heh, except we got her as an adult and there would be no way she'd be approved with her issues.
 
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