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(Detroit Free Press)   While everyone is distracted by the debt ceiling fight, a federal judge may legalize same-sex marriage in Michigan today   (freep.com) divider line 38
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2013-10-16 02:46:44 PM  
6 votes:

AngryDragon: This was the only good thing about the shutdown.  I didn't have to hear about gay marriage for a while.  I may get gay married just to spite the retards who are still making this an issue.  My girlfriend may not approve though.

It's happening, you lost, get over it.


Gyrfalcon: Nobody cares anymore. Deal with it.


Ummm... yeah, I care.  I care that I still can't get married in the majority of states.  I care that there are state constitutional amendments that specifically say I don't have the same rights as everyone else.  I care that leaving my home country and living as a guest worker affords me more legal protections from discrimination than staying in my beloved homeland (though that's not why I did it).  I care that the federal government has refused to do for all citizens what they did for people of color 50-60 years ago, because it might piss off religious people.

Please - if you support gay marriage, or simply are okay with it, then don't stop caring until the entire country joins the 21st century.
2013-10-16 02:58:51 PM  
3 votes:

Semantic Warrior: Honestly, while I support marriage between any two legally consenting individuals, I'm not sure if I agree that the Feds are allowed to intervene


The 14th amendment says all people should have equal protection under the law.  So when a state law treats some people unequally, the Feds should intervene.  Pretty simple actually.
2013-10-16 02:30:26 PM  
2 votes:
Michigan is so weird.  In a lot of ways, it's a blue state...and in things like this it's red.  It should be overturned today which is good news.
2013-10-16 06:23:43 PM  
1 votes:
Good. I miss my homeland. It's about time they did something right that doesn't include hoppy beer.
2013-10-16 05:04:45 PM  
1 votes:

ringersol: It's only 'odd' if you subscribe to political team sports.
A gay marriage ban was a 'gimme' in Michigan, due to so many of the sub-groups being very socially conservative.
Do you really think large swaths of Detroit and Dearborn are voting for gay marriage just because they vote Dem, nationally?
Not to mention Michigan's shrinking populations of the college educated and youth, as people have been moving elsewhere to find jobs for some time.

It remains damn near a miracle that medical marijuana went through. (And that, I'd bet, only because the suburban conservatives have been watching their parents deal with the diseases of age and reading articles about a hit from a vaporizer conveying more quality-of-life than a fistful of prescription pills, at a fraction of the price.)


I don't subscribe to either teams' politics.

As for medical marijuana...that's a no brainer.  In fact, now that a majority of the US Population supports outright legalization, I would expect it to be legal to possess and use in the next 10 years (that number will only go up).
2013-10-16 04:26:06 PM  
1 votes:
slayer199: "It's an odd state politically"

It's only 'odd' if you subscribe to political team sports.
A gay marriage ban was a 'gimme' in Michigan, due to so many of the sub-groups being very socially conservative.
Do you really think large swaths of Detroit and Dearborn are voting for gay marriage just because they vote Dem, nationally?
Not to mention Michigan's shrinking populations of the college educated and youth, as people have been moving elsewhere to find jobs for some time.

It remains damn near a miracle that medical marijuana went through. (And that, I'd bet, only because the suburban conservatives have been watching their parents deal with the diseases of age and reading articles about a hit from a vaporizer conveying more quality-of-life than a fistful of prescription pills, at a fraction of the price.)
2013-10-16 04:24:16 PM  
1 votes:

mbillips: Michigan has a gay marriage ban? Seriously? I bet Michiganders are all red in the face now about that. "It was the early 2000s, it seemed like the thing to do at the time." Yeah, you should just file that away with your Hoobastank CD.


Yeah, well, most of us who were agin' it aren't red in the face with embarrassment.  Personally I'm still pissed off when I remember how ignorance and out of state organizing monies pulled that off (Family Research Council threw down a LOT, and some backing from the f--king Catholic church, and that's when I cut my ties to "would go to mass when visiting with Mom" to "once a year plus funerals, weddings, or baptisms").

I lived in a college town bubble at the time and was honestly floored when it passed (hell, the Catholic church I sometimes attended had a LGBT support/rights group, still do probably).  My friends and I all wore black and grey the next day because what the hell else could we do.

Dubya got re-elected that same day too.  We didn't vote for him in Michigan, though.
2013-10-16 04:15:53 PM  
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: And we've got born and raised union in the SE corner, one of the richest counties in the country (including one of the poorest large cities in the state within its borders), a bible belt on the west side and Blue Dog Democrats/Republican Equivalents in the UP


That city is poor because the source of the wealth--the auto industry--has gone elsewhere.  How does the county around it remain rich?  Even if some people managed to hold on to the money they made during the boom times, wouldn't they just take that money somewhere nicer once the area became all depressing and icky?
2013-10-16 04:11:37 PM  
1 votes:

Mr.BobDobalita: Should 2 homos who are partners be able to do things like collect death benefits...  have hospital visitation...  adopt a kid?   Yep... they sure should...   


But should they be able to get tax benefits or health care or other things that a BF and GF who live together cannot get?   I don't believe so.  Nor do I believe that straight married couples should.  Why is the government in the business of granting subsidies and tax benefits or anything of that nature to people just because they are married?   Why should the government be telling who can and can't get married?   


That's what doesn't add up to me.  I don't care if you like the poon or the peen...


Married couples are more stable, and support one another better/longer than unmarried couples. That cuts down on the government's need to take care of people who don't have a family support network. The subsidy probably pays for itself and then some. If you're so uncommitted that you won't go get the piece of paper, then you probably aren't going to last as a couple as long as married people do on average.
2013-10-16 04:10:11 PM  
1 votes:

Mr.BobDobalita: Should 2 homos who are partners be able to do things like collect death benefits... have hospital visitation... adopt a kid? Yep... they sure should...


But should they be able to get tax benefits or health care or other things that a BF and GF who live together cannot get? I don't believe so. Nor do I believe that straight married couples should.


Well, since a BF and GF who live together cannot collect death benefits, have hospital visitation, or adopt a child together, sounds like you don't want anyone to be able to do those things.
2013-10-16 04:09:00 PM  
1 votes:
Michigan has a gay marriage ban? Seriously? I bet Michiganders are all red in the face now about that. "It was the early 2000s, it seemed like the thing to do at the time." Yeah, you should just file that away with your Hoobastank CD.
2013-10-16 03:49:06 PM  
1 votes:

Phineas: Hopefully the will of the people is upheld today.   Activist judges legislating from the bench is the province of liberals, and I've been very happy with the direction my home state has been going lately.  This would be a huge step backwards.

Similarly, if the people had voted in favor of gay marriage, I would be supporting their fight to not have a judiciary overrule them.  Suck on that, libs that are butthurt by the first paragraph of my post.


Tyranny of the majority.
2013-10-16 03:47:59 PM  
1 votes:
It's due diligence on the judge's part. Whichever way it goes, he doesn't want to be overturned on a technicality.
by Noel Siksai


I can begrudgingly understand this comment.

On the plus side, I now have time to make a fabulous rainbow version "Yes, Michigan!" on a t-shirt.

/the feeeeeling's foreeeeever... (youtube)
2013-10-16 03:42:10 PM  
1 votes:
February 25th?  dammit!

browneye: slayer199: Michigan is so weird.  In a lot of ways, it's a blue state...and in things like this it's red.  It should be overturned today which is good news.

I hope so because you are right, politically Michigan is one friggin' weird state.

And I don't feel comfortable living in a state that bans same-sex marriage - it's too stupid.


We're mostly a blue state (nationally, president and senators) that is purple on governors (not too unusual) and gerrymandered to f--k and back so we're reddish on US congress and Lansing senators and reps.  And we've got born and raised union in the SE corner, one of the richest counties in the country (including one of the poorest large cities in the state within its borders), a bible belt on the west side and Blue Dog Democrats/Republican Equivalents in the UP.

It's fun.

I agree with you completely on your last point, though.
2013-10-16 03:35:28 PM  
1 votes:
No summary judgment for either side today. Friedman will hold a trial on the issue, starting Feb. 25.

Probably was too much to hope for, getting a ruling today...
2013-10-16 03:34:39 PM  
1 votes:
Damnit, a trial set for Feb 25th.  Well, more waiting.
2013-10-16 03:32:00 PM  
1 votes:
slayer199: Michigan is so weird.  In a lot of ways, it's a blue state...and in things like this it's red.  It should be overturned today which is good news.

I hope so because you are right, politically Michigan is one friggin' weird state.

And I don't feel comfortable living in a state that bans same-sex marriage - it's too stupid.
2013-10-16 03:28:39 PM  
1 votes:

thecpt: It always looked like a hand grabbing a weird penis. Now I can imagine a ring around traverse city.


Um... I think that says more about you than the state.

/Si Quaeris Peninsulam Amoenam Circumspice
2013-10-16 03:21:27 PM  
1 votes:

timujin: Live blog of the ruling:
http://live.freep.com/Event/Live_blog_Michigan_judge_expected_to_rul e_ on_gay_marriage_ban

As of now, the latest is:
She quotes from another case, if discrimination would be allowed, our children would be drinking from separate water fountains. The 14th Amendment would not tolerate those events, nor should they tolerate discrimination against gays and lesbians.
by Jim Schaefer 12:00 PM
We at times, have lost our footing, and sometimes our humanity. We rely on federal courts, sometimes, to tell us there are no second-class citizens in our country.
by Jim Schaefer 12:01 PM


Thanks for the link


The Supreme Court has provided guidance for this court, Stanyar says.

Good sign....
2013-10-16 03:19:03 PM  
1 votes:
And if this passes, I'm totally going by the courthouse on my way home from work to join the festivities.  Our clerk is cool and apparently at least two dozen couples are already waiting.  Here's hoping.

I don't even have the slightest rush to get married unless it makes financial/legal sense  (so not til the SO and I buy a house or property, probably) but at least I get that choice.

Here's hoping Michigan can be progressive for once.  It'd be a nice change of pace from recent developments.
2013-10-16 03:16:16 PM  
1 votes:

Somacandra: timujin: Live blog of the ruling:
http://live.freep.com/Event/Live_blog_Michigan_judge_expected_to_rul e_ on_gay_marriage_ban

These are the arguments---it seems. Not the judge's remarks.


Yes, sorry, I used the wording from the link itself.  This is currently the arguments being presented by the attorney, Carole Stanyar.
2013-10-16 03:16:11 PM  
1 votes:
Welcome to the 21st century Michigan!
2013-10-16 03:14:45 PM  
1 votes:
Good.  Finally.

Aside: Michigan is in no state (ha, see what I did there) to be limiting avenues of commerce.  Open up the gay marriage market - you won't be disappointed.
2013-10-16 03:10:14 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: Benevolent Misanthrope: AngryDragon: This was the only good thing about the shutdown.  I didn't have to hear about gay marriage for a while.  I may get gay married just to spite the retards who are still making this an issue.  My girlfriend may not approve though.

It's happening, you lost, get over it.

Gyrfalcon: Nobody cares anymore. Deal with it.

Ummm... yeah, I care.  I care that I still can't get married in the majority of states.  I care that there are state constitutional amendments that specifically say I don't have the same rights as everyone else.  I care that leaving my home country and living as a guest worker affords me more legal protections from discrimination than staying in my beloved homeland (though that's not why I did it).  I care that the federal government has refused to do for all citizens what they did for people of color 50-60 years ago, because it might piss off religious people.

Please - if you support gay marriage, or simply are okay with it, then don't stop caring until the entire country joins the 21st century.

I don't think either of us were addressing you, I know I wasn't.  My comment was to the neanderthals who are still resisting this.  I'm happy for you guys.  Glad things are moving forward.  Seems like such a stupid thing to dig your heels in on.  I'm totally on your side.


Oh - understood.  Please don't take my post personally.

Just... also, please don't let current successes dragging the country into the modern age make you feel like the fight is over.  It's not, unfortunately.
2013-10-16 03:08:09 PM  
1 votes:

timujin: Live blog of the ruling:
http://live.freep.com/Event/Live_blog_Michigan_judge_expected_to_rul e_ on_gay_marriage_ban


These are the arguments---it seems. Not the judge's remarks.
2013-10-16 03:07:48 PM  
1 votes:
Let me change that slightly.....

Yes..... Detroit is a shell of its former greatness. Mayor Coleman Young may have been corrupt.... But he kept Detroit running. The Arabic community? Great people overall... Never had any issues with any of them.... nor were there issues within the community at all.
Within the Arabic community. Yes.... Detroit has enough "issues" for the entire state.... although Flint contributes their fair share. But the Arabic community kep their streets clean, their houses well tended and caused no problems for anyone while I was there.
2013-10-16 03:03:43 PM  
1 votes:
Live blog of the ruling:
http://live.freep.com/Event/Live_blog_Michigan_judge_expected_to_rul e_ on_gay_marriage_ban

As of now, the latest is:
She quotes from another case, if discrimination would be allowed, our children would be drinking from separate water fountains. The 14th Amendment would not tolerate those events, nor should they tolerate discrimination against gays and lesbians.
by Jim Schaefer 12:00 PM
We at times, have lost our footing, and sometimes our humanity. We rely on federal courts, sometimes, to tell us there are no second-class citizens in our country.
by Jim Schaefer 12:01 PM
2013-10-16 02:53:54 PM  
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: AngryDragon: This was the only good thing about the shutdown.  I didn't have to hear about gay marriage for a while.  I may get gay married just to spite the retards who are still making this an issue.  My girlfriend may not approve though.

It's happening, you lost, get over it.

Gyrfalcon: Nobody cares anymore. Deal with it.

Ummm... yeah, I care.  I care that I still can't get married in the majority of states.  I care that there are state constitutional amendments that specifically say I don't have the same rights as everyone else.  I care that leaving my home country and living as a guest worker affords me more legal protections from discrimination than staying in my beloved homeland (though that's not why I did it).  I care that the federal government has refused to do for all citizens what they did for people of color 50-60 years ago, because it might piss off religious people.

Please - if you support gay marriage, or simply are okay with it, then don't stop caring until the entire country joins the 21st century.


I don't think either of us were addressing you, I know I wasn't.  My comment was to the neanderthals who are still resisting this.  I'm happy for you guys.  Glad things are moving forward.  Seems like such a stupid thing to dig your heels in on.  I'm totally on your side.
2013-10-16 02:51:52 PM  
1 votes:
They should just go ahead and legalize everything in Detroit and see how that works out.
2013-10-16 02:50:27 PM  
1 votes:
The June DOMA ruling was that the federal government would acknowledge any state-sanctioned marriage.  The prop 8 case wasn't really a ruling, it was a refusal to even hear, if I recall correctly, so technically nothing was decided there.
Honestly, while I support marriage between any two legally consenting individuals, I'm not sure if I agree that the Feds are allowed to intervene... Honestly, I am disappointed that this case is being presented as a marriage issue, rather than what it really is, an adoption issue.  If the couple in the story had gotten legally married in another state, does the fed or state handle their right/privilege to adoption?  Could the ladies petition another state court for the adoptions?  I could see that becoming a federal matter if the state tried to ignore guardianship rights granted by another state...
2013-10-16 02:47:41 PM  
1 votes:

The Evil Home Brewer: LOL.... Wierd? Try living here. We can't decide if we are rednecks or hillbillies. All we do know is we own guns, we love pasties, we like Obama, and we are suspicious of Tea Partiers .... and Ted Nugent lives here.

Pretty scary mix overall.... But still not worthy of a FARK Michigan tag


I do live in Michigan...which is why I said it was weird.  We have Detroit, and then we have the downriver rednecks next door to Detroit.  We have the one of the largest Arabic populations in the country, yet no terrorist attacks (of course, what would you attack?  Detroit looks like it's already been bombed).  It's an odd state politically...solidly Blue for Presidential and Senate elections....solidly red within the state House and Senate.  It's strange.

Ted Nugent no longer lives in Michigan...he moved to Texas some years ago (but I think his hunting store in Jackson is still around).
2013-10-16 02:41:46 PM  
1 votes:
I believe in the sanctity of marriage.  I believe that marriage, when properly practiced, is a great institution for strengthening the bounds of a relationship, bringing stability to family and home, and encouraging monogamous relationships, which in turn may help reduce the spread of STDs.  It is for this reason, that I believe that gays should not only have the right to marry, but that if Christians truly believed in the power of the institution, that they would insist in encouraging gays to do so.
2013-10-16 02:41:30 PM  
1 votes:

slayer199: Michigan is so weird.  In a lot of ways, it's a blue state...and in things like this it's red.  It should be overturned today which is good news.


LOL.... Wierd? Try living here. We can't decide if we are rednecks or hillbillies. All we do know is we own guns, we love pasties, we like Obama, and we are suspicious of Tea Partiers .... and Ted Nugent lives here.

Pretty scary mix overall.... But still not worthy of a FARK Michigan tag
2013-10-16 02:39:43 PM  
1 votes:
Just to be clear, the judge delayed this case back in March because he wanted to wait to see how the Supreme Court would rule on it's gay marriage cases in June.  So that seems like a good indicator that he's now going to rule in favor of overturning the ban in Michigan.
2013-10-16 02:38:53 PM  
1 votes:

Somacandra: FTFA: nothing in the U.S. Constitution requires or permits federal courts to invalidate a state's decision



Yeah. Run with that. I'm sure the Federal judge hearing the case loved that one.


I appreciate the thought.

But you couldn't reference, the very appropriate, Loving v Virginia?
2013-10-16 02:04:47 PM  
1 votes:
I'm fine with this, so long as the complete ban on Yooper marriage remains intact.
2013-10-16 01:50:20 PM  
1 votes:
Good. Marriage equality is past time.

Don't like it? Don't eat it. But never mind what anyone else has on their plates...
2013-10-16 01:12:58 PM  
1 votes:
Cool. While I really wish that SCOTUS had given a more definitive ruling it was enough to spell the end of these kinds of laws at the State level. I predict that the Michigan law will be overturned that that this is only the first of many.
 
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