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2013-10-16 01:11:09 PM  
So what you're telling me is that the most pirated movies are ones that are still in theaters (second run discount movie theaters, but theaters none the less)?

Redbox and Netflix were a Pandora's Box for the movie industry. You've now trained consumers that the value of most films is either $1.50 a rental or $8.99 a month. If anything, all it's going to mean is that there will be fewer big budget Michael Bay style films that won't have any hope to make their budget back, and more low budget Indy style movies, and in general that's only going to be a good thing.
 
2013-10-16 01:15:16 PM  

spman: So what you're telling me is that the most pirated movies are ones that are still in theaters (second run discount movie theaters, but theaters none the less)?

Redbox and Netflix were a Pandora's Box for the movie industry. You've now trained consumers that the value of most films is either $1.50 a rental or $8.99 a month. If anything, all it's going to mean is that there will be fewer big budget Michael Bay style films that won't have any hope to make their budget back, and more low budget Indy style movies, and in general that's only going to be a good thing.


Something similar is happening to the game industry with Steam and other outlets.  Since it's not as deep of an industry yet, it didn't take as long for indie titles to start becoming big.  And yes, that is a good thing.  I'm hoping this happens to films, music, and literature.
 
2013-10-16 01:35:02 PM  
I'm too lazy to pirate most of them but this is absolutely true for me for TV shows. I buy a handful on amazon I don't get due to cutting cable. There is no option to buy others Id like to see or I would. I am looking at you hbHBO.
 
2013-10-16 01:48:58 PM  

SirVagTheTighty: I'm too lazy to pirate most of them but this is absolutely true for me for TV shows. I buy a handful on amazon I don't get due to cutting cable. There is no option to buy others Id like to see or I would. I am looking at you hbHBO.



That.  And there is the lag time where they take the free episodes off their web site and they aren't out on DVD or anywhere else.  How do I get the episode?  I'm happy to pay for a good show but if it isn't offered *anywhere* and I don't want to wait for it to come out on DVD...

/Also cut cable.
 
2013-10-16 01:53:53 PM  

Attention pirates:

 thumbs3.ebaystatic.com

Is hard to get.

 
2013-10-16 02:03:00 PM  
I used to pirate movies, but then I lost my pointy hat.

/try the veal
//I'm here all week
 
2013-10-16 02:44:45 PM  

spman: So what you're telling me is that the most pirated movies are ones that are still in theaters (second run discount movie theaters, but theaters none the less)?


The way it works is, its usually leaked in another country whose home video release date precedes everyone else.  They are the ones who put it online.   All of those movies on the list... full blu-ray copies (not video camera versions) are available out there on the net.
 
2013-10-16 02:46:51 PM  
i also noted of the 3 movies that were available for digital rental, but still were pirated 2 of those (after earth and the lone ranger) were universaly panned by critics and audiences. I imagine people would be more likely to try them without spending money if possible.
 
2013-10-16 02:50:28 PM  
FTFA:  Hollywood likes to paint movie pirates as freeloaders without morals, but maybe those so-called dastardly downloaders are simply under-served.

So the most pirated movies are the ones that just left theaters and aren't available to buy yet.

Therefore, it's ok to pirate movies during that blackout period?

FAIL.
 
2013-10-16 02:55:16 PM  

thornhill: Therefore, it's ok to pirate movies during that blackout period?


I don't think they're excusing it, they're just saying it's going to happen no matter how much you tell people on the internet they are dummy wrong poo poo heads. If the studios want in on that business, they shouldn't have a blackout.
 
2013-10-16 02:56:35 PM  

spman: If anything, all it's going to mean is that there will be fewer big budget Michael Bay style films that won't have any hope to make their budget back, and more low budget Indy style movies, and in general that's only going to be a good thing.


I don't see why. As pirating increases box office records are constantly being broken. A new movie makes more in its first day in theater than many countries do in a year.

Pretty hard to see any negative impact at all.
 
2013-10-16 02:58:14 PM  
$10+ to watch a movie in a Theater
Benefits: big ass screen and speakers
Disadvantages: other people

$8.99 to wait a few months and watch this (and several other movies) via netflix.
Benefits: cheap, can pause a movie, or watch a long movie over several days, comfortable seats (YMMV)
Disadvantages:

Free: to pirate from the internet
Benefits: free
Disadvantages: small potential of getting caught and fined big bucks, lower video quality
 
2013-10-16 02:59:19 PM  
I think I'll have the whole Batman TV show on my phone before it comes out on disc.
 
2013-10-16 02:59:48 PM  

Mentalpatient87: thornhill: Therefore, it's ok to pirate movies during that blackout period?

I don't think they're excusing it, they're just saying it's going to happen no matter how much you tell people on the internet they are dummy wrong poo poo heads. If the studios want in on that business, they shouldn't have a blackout.


Especially when the reason for the delay is to boost box office totals.  People might not go to theaters if they can get the DVD the day after it leaves theaters.  If they have to wait several months, though, you might get more asses in seats.  I don't know that's the idea, but there's probably an element in there.
 
2013-10-16 03:01:16 PM  
encouraging pirates is the industry's choice.
 
2013-10-16 03:01:56 PM  

lordargent: $10+ to watch a movie in a Theater
Benefits: big ass screen and speakers
Disadvantages: other people

$8.99 to wait a few months and watch this (and several other movies) via netflix.
Benefits: cheap, can pause a movie, or watch a long movie over several days, comfortable seats (YMMV)
Disadvantages:

Free: to pirate from the internet
Benefits: free
Disadvantages: small potential of getting caught and fined big bucks, lower video quality


Lower video quality when downloading? Are you sure about that?
 
2013-10-16 03:03:52 PM  
No kidding. Just like DVD encryption was first cracked by that Norwegian kid, not because he's a freeloader or a dick, but because he just wanted to watch DVDs on his Linux computer and there were no DVD software available for Linux.

/iirc
 
2013-10-16 03:06:46 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: spman: If anything, all it's going to mean is that there will be fewer big budget Michael Bay style films that won't have any hope to make their budget back, and more low budget Indy style movies, and in general that's only going to be a good thing.

I don't see why. As pirating increases box office records are constantly being broken. A new movie makes more in its first day in theater than many countries do in a year.

Pretty hard to see any negative impact at all.


That's true to an extent, but a lot of the box office records that Hollywood claims are being broken are dubious at best, and don't account for things like inflation and increased ticket prices, they're just moving the goalposts is all. And even if movies are making a ton of money, after production costs and advertising budget, even a film that grosses in the mid-six figures can be a money loser.
 
2013-10-16 03:07:36 PM  
I'm definitely in the "disposable movie" group.   When I watch a movie I have no desire to see it again, at least not for several years.  So buying a movie on DVD at full price is a no-go for me.

I have also gotten used to taking in all my media with the ability to stop, back up, skip forward.  Last time I went to see a movie in a theater, I missed something in a scene and my instinct was to back up to see it again.  That actually happened several times.
 
2013-10-16 03:07:39 PM  

optimus_grime: encouraging pirates is the industry's choice.


This.

There is clearly huge demand for their product and it's their own fault for not filling it.
 
2013-10-16 03:08:47 PM  

spman: J. Frank Parnell: spman: If anything, all it's going to mean is that there will be fewer big budget Michael Bay style films that won't have any hope to make their budget back, and more low budget Indy style movies, and in general that's only going to be a good thing.

I don't see why. As pirating increases box office records are constantly being broken. A new movie makes more in its first day in theater than many countries do in a year.

Pretty hard to see any negative impact at all.

That's true to an extent, but a lot of the box office records that Hollywood claims are being broken are dubious at best, and don't account for things like inflation and increased ticket prices, they're just moving the goalposts is all. And even if movies are making a ton of money, after production costs and advertising budget, even a film that grosses in the mid-six figures can be a money loser.


That should say mid nine figures ie: north of 100 million
 
2013-10-16 03:09:11 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I think I'll have the whole Batman TV show on my phone before it comes out on disc.


I'm still waiting for WKRP in Cincinnati, mainly because there are so few good pictures of Jan Smithers available for fapping purposes.
 
2013-10-16 03:11:58 PM  
So the most pirated movies are the ones that are soon to be on DVD or just out on DVD... hmmm interesting.... no it's not at all.  People want to watch but don't want to pay too much.  I want to watch Pacific Rim but Redbox doesn't have it, Netflix doesn't have it, amazon streaming doesn't have it.  So my only option is either to buy it, wait, or pirate it.  I'm sure a blockbuster store would have it if you happen to have one nearby but there are no more retail movie rental places around me anymore.

Wait I can pay $5 to stream it from DirecTV plus another free rental which is probably the route I take.
 
2013-10-16 03:18:03 PM  

spman: And even if movies are making a ton of money, after production costs and advertising budget, even a film that grosses in the mid-six figures can be a money loser.

That should say mid nine figures ie: north of 100 million


Many of the ones they claim as losers are Hollywood accounting, though.  They make a 300% profit (my numbers; rectally derived)  then claim a huge loss for taxes or to screw over actors / crew that took a percentage instead of a paycheck.
 
2013-10-16 03:20:41 PM  

change1211: Lower video quality when downloading? Are you sure about that?


how many people have bandwidth caps that would allow them to DL (ceteris paribus, no other internet usage at all) more than 5 blu-ray discs a month?
 
2013-10-16 03:22:41 PM  
After Earf ? Who the fark would steal that?
 
2013-10-16 03:23:04 PM  

Leader O'Cola: change1211: Lower video quality when downloading? Are you sure about that?

how many people have bandwidth caps that would allow them to DL (ceteris paribus, no other internet usage at all) more than 5 blu-ray discs a month?


720p on Pirate Bay is around 3-6GB. 1080P goes up to around10-15GB. Not that bad at all.

Hell some compress 720p to under 1GB, but apparently that's a mortal sin to some.
 
2013-10-16 03:23:52 PM  

abhorrent1: After Earf ? Who the fark would steal that?


Well at least they aren't funding scientology by paying for it.

/Personally I wouldn't even waste the bandwidth on it
 
2013-10-16 03:24:57 PM  

Leader O'Cola: change1211: Lower video quality when downloading? Are you sure about that?

how many people have bandwidth caps that would allow them to DL (ceteris paribus, no other internet usage at all) more than 5 blu-ray discs a month?



You can get some decent MKV/MP4 files that are under 5Gb and be really good quality.  I compress my own blurays to 5Gb all the time and could even drop it down a bit more if I wanted to make them smaller.  Comcast doesn't cap anymore, well they didn't really cap you but sent you a strongly worded letter.
 
2013-10-16 03:26:59 PM  

change1211: lordargent: $10+ to watch a movie in a Theater
Benefits: big ass screen and speakers
Disadvantages: other people

$8.99 to wait a few months and watch this (and several other movies) via netflix.
Benefits: cheap, can pause a movie, or watch a long movie over several days, comfortable seats (YMMV)
Disadvantages:

Free: to pirate from the internet
Benefits: free
Disadvantages: small potential of getting caught and fined big bucks, lower video quality

Lower video quality when downloading? Are you sure about that?


I'd wager the copies of Gravity floating around the web right now are slightly less than the 4k resolution of a cinema. Even the Blu-Ray rips are likely compressed somewhat for easy sharing even though the resolution is full 1080p, and I doubt most MKV files include DTS Master audio, although I'm sure SOMEONE out there is putting up bit-for-bit rips that weigh in at 25 GB or so, but I'm not sure if I'd want to waste my time waiting for those to download.
 
2013-10-16 03:28:34 PM  

spman: a lot of the box office records that Hollywood claims are being broken are dubious at best, and don't account for things like inflation and increased ticket prices


They don't need to account for higher ticket prices because they aren't claiming more tickets sold, just higher profits.

And inflation can only go so far to explain why a blockbuster used to be 300-400 million, but is now 1.5 billion. Unless inflation is worse than any of us know.
 
2013-10-16 03:29:53 PM  

lordargent: $10+ to watch a movie in a Theater
Benefits: big ass screen and speakers
Disadvantages: other people

$8.99 to wait a few months and watch this (and several other movies) via netflix.
Benefits: cheap, can pause a movie, or watch a long movie over several days, comfortable seats (YMMV), big ass screen, speakers


FTFY.

With LCD screen going 48"+ and many people using projectors, the home experience can easily equal that of theaters in regards to viewing angle (apparent size of screen).

And hooking your system up to decent surround sound system isn't exactly unthinkable.
Free: to pirate from the internet
Benefits: free
Disadvantages: small potential of getting caught and fined big bucks, lower video quality


Better video quality = larger download, but they are there.
 
2013-10-16 03:31:00 PM  

Mad_Radhu: I'd wager the copies of Gravity floating around the web right now are slightly less than the 4k resolution of a cinema. Even the Blu-Ray rips are likely compressed somewhat for easy sharing even though the resolution is full 1080p, and I doubt most MKV files include DTS Master audio, although I'm sure SOMEONE out there is putting up bit-for-bit rips that weigh in at 25 GB or so, but I'm not sure if I'd want to waste my time waiting for those to download.


If you care about DTS Master Audio then I highly doubt you are pirating anything.  I used to download the  25-40Gb rips but they are not worth the additional time over the 10Gb or less copies plus the added storage space.
 
2013-10-16 03:31:44 PM  

thornhill: FTFA:  Hollywood likes to paint movie pirates as freeloaders without morals, but maybe those so-called dastardly downloaders are simply under-served.

So the most pirated movies are the ones that just left theaters and aren't available to buy yet.

Therefore, it's ok to pirate movies during that blackout period?

FAIL.


Or the or the takeaway you could get here is that Hollywood needs to learn to quit playing games with us. What? I can rent it through Blockbuster a month before I can get it at Redbox? What? I need to hurry up, because Disney is gonna throw The Little Mermaid "back in the vault"? Fark these people. We're getting tired of their shiat-ass manipulative games.

Seriously, it's a joke, and Hollywood, just like the music industry, needs to wake the fark up.
 
2013-10-16 03:37:44 PM  

TNel: Mad_Radhu: I'd wager the copies of Gravity floating around the web right now are slightly less than the 4k resolution of a cinema. Even the Blu-Ray rips are likely compressed somewhat for easy sharing even though the resolution is full 1080p, and I doubt most MKV files include DTS Master audio, although I'm sure SOMEONE out there is putting up bit-for-bit rips that weigh in at 25 GB or so, but I'm not sure if I'd want to waste my time waiting for those to download.

If you care about DTS Master Audio then I highly doubt you are pirating anything.  I used to download the  25-40Gb rips but they are not worth the additional time over the 10Gb or less copies plus the added storage space.


Find a YIFY torrent on Pirate Bay and you'll see tons of audio freaks biatching about the audio on his compressed HD movies.
 
2013-10-16 03:37:47 PM  

StroboscopicCamel: spman: And even if movies are making a ton of money, after production costs and advertising budget, even a film that grosses in the mid-six figures can be a money loser.

That should say mid nine figures ie: north of 100 million

Many of the ones they claim as losers are Hollywood accounting, though.  They make a 300% profit (my numbers; rectally derived)  then claim a huge loss for taxes or to screw over actors / crew that took a percentage instead of a paycheck.


Thisity-this-this.

25 April 2009: LucasFilm Tells [David Prowse] that Return of the Jedi Hasn't Made a [Net] Profit

6 July 2010: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, one of the top grossing films of the last decade, shows a $167 million "loss" under Hollywood accounting
 
2013-10-16 03:39:29 PM  

optimus_grime: encouraging pirates is the industry's choice.


CSB- I had no intention of setting up torrent downloads on my computer, but around 2005-06 I bought a music CD. We were living in Europe and only could play music off our MP3 players, but this CD has all sorts of DRM on it that wouldn't allow track ripping and required all sorts of malware to play on a PC.

So I had to download a pirated version of the music I'd just paid for, in order to actually listen to it.

So yes, the industry has itself to blame.

/Amazon was smart enough to allow DRM-free, single track downloads, which I frequently use
//recall that the RIAA cried foul that DRM-free music would ruin the industry
 
2013-10-16 03:40:14 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Find a YIFY torrent on Pirate Bay and you'll see tons of audio freaks biatching about the audio on his compressed HD movies.


Which is stupid because your home setup would have to be amazing to even remotely hear some change and if you have that kind of setup I think you can afford to either rent the movie or buy it.
 
2013-10-16 03:40:47 PM  
 
2013-10-16 03:43:57 PM  

RedPhoenix122: spman: So what you're telling me is that the most pirated movies are ones that are still in theaters (second run discount movie theaters, but theaters none the less)?

Redbox and Netflix were a Pandora's Box for the movie industry. You've now trained consumers that the value of most films is either $1.50 a rental or $8.99 a month. If anything, all it's going to mean is that there will be fewer big budget Michael Bay style films that won't have any hope to make their budget back, and more low budget Indy style movies, and in general that's only going to be a good thing.

Something similar is happening to the game industry with Steam and other outlets.  Since it's not as deep of an industry yet, it didn't take as long for indie titles to start becoming big.  And yes, that is a good thing.  I'm hoping this happens to films, music, and literature.


Not sure I agree that is a good thing if it continues.  No more Lord of the Rings?  No more Titanic?  You may not personally like those movies, but they are by no means the "Summer Blockbuster", Michael Bay schlock.  There are good, expensive, movies; and the death of those is NOT a good thing.

Same for video games...Never another Skyrim, or Mass Effect?  Not a good thing (yeah, yeah, I hated the ending of ME3 too - not part of this argument)
 
2013-10-16 03:46:22 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: spman: a lot of the box office records that Hollywood claims are being broken are dubious at best, and don't account for things like inflation and increased ticket prices

They don't need to account for higher ticket prices because they aren't claiming more tickets sold, just higher profits.

And inflation can only go so far to explain why a blockbuster used to be 300-400 million, but is now 1.5 billion. Unless inflation is worse than any of us know.


The majority of that is because of international grosses. Until a few years ago, a movie would get released in the US one week, major territories a few weeks later, and then would roll out to medium and smaller sized territories over the next several months or years. Something released in 1989 in the US might not have made it to Croatia until 1992.

These days the film studios treat the foreign markets with even more importance than the US ones, as big blockbusters often come out overseas earlier than they do in the US, mostly to combat piracy. A lot of movies now have worldwide release dates, so it's going to be available to everyone within about a 2 or 3 week time span. Smaller non-blockbuster releases may not get foreign release for months, years, if ever, but your comic book movies and your Michael Bay movies are going to be released at the same time.
 
2013-10-16 03:48:44 PM  

Mad_Radhu: I'd wager the copies of Gravity floating around the web right now are slightly less than the 4k resolution of a cinema.


Yes, but have you ever noticed that a somewhat grainy video looks all nice and sparkly when you don't have the window full screen? Kinda the same thing. Downloads aren't meant to be used on a 52'-wide screen, so the lower resolution works just fine.

I watch movies on my laptop (17" diagonal) or my desktop (21" diag). I'm not really worried that it's not 4k.
 
2013-10-16 03:49:47 PM  
Breaking Bad Season 5, part 2 isn't on Netflix yet in the U.S. but it is in the U.K. No valid reason. Just because they think they can extract more money that way.

Wonder what the piracy numbers are on that. Or on the NFL streams. I know a couple people who use VPN services to stream NFL games from Europe for free simply because there's no valid option for watching their team here (except DirecTV Sunday Ticket streaming which costs an arm and leg, usually doesn't work, has a terrible quality stream, is a PITA to play on your TV and you aren't even really supposed to be able to purchase unless you can't get DirecTV satellite service in your area).

I used to argue the "if you aren't willing to pay, just don't watch/listen/play" position, but I've more or less given up on even that at this point. These industries go so far out of their way to make it hard to give them money just because they think they deserve more money than you're offering that I have no sympathy when the alternative turns into them getting nothing.

If you're going to make the choice to not let people view your content legitimately they're going to find other ways to get it. You can argue the morality all you want, but make no mistake, it is a choice you create of your own volition.
 
2013-10-16 03:50:29 PM  

SansNeural: I'm definitely in the "disposable movie" group.   When I watch a movie I have no desire to see it again, at least not for several years.  So buying a movie on DVD at full price is a no-go for me.

I have also gotten used to taking in all my media with the ability to stop, back up, skip forward.  Last time I went to see a movie in a theater, I missed something in a scene and my instinct was to back up to see it again.  That actually happened several times.


I'm in that group too. Sorry, I've never been a big media consumer. I've never bought a CD in my life. I've bought like 5 DVDs/BluRays: Metropolis, Escape from New York, Rashomon and The Thing. I do go regularly to the theater and I of course download movies. I'm 32 and I wasn't buying anything even in the 90s. Never saw the appeal. I mean I saw it, but never saw the appeal to give money for that. I buy comics and books though. I think I like to pay for lasting media that can be consumed on its own and doesn't need an investment on a "player". I came with a OEM book and comics player, it's called my brain and eyes. Music and movies, by their own nature, are meant to be ephemeral. You can't stare at a movie or stop a song to appreciate the nuances like you do with a painting/illustration/etc. So why would I pay to have that? Especially with electronics becoming obsolete after a while. I can still read my comics and books decades after the fact. And no, no fancy buying digital comics and ebooks. That's just a racket. They have zero printing costs and marginal distribution costs, why charge the same?

I do pirate though, but here are my rules:

1.- I try to go to the theater to see the movies I like the most. I go like 20 times a year or so. Well, this year I've only gone 10 times. but hey, bad year.

2.- Movies I don't manage to catch up or classic stuff, I pirate no problem.

3.- I DON'T pirate everything just because it's free like some people do. I still only pirate stuff I really want to see. So no Adam Sandler movies or the latest romantic comedy abortion. It's not a matter of price, my time is much more valuable than the money I'd spend on those. So no 2,000 digital movie collection for me.

BTW, Netflix is good stuff. Very nice compromise. I'd get it if my connection was worth shiat.
 
2013-10-16 03:51:13 PM  

Tax Boy: Obiligatory Oatmeal is obligatory


Useless garbage from a useless slob.
 
2013-10-16 03:53:15 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Leader O'Cola: change1211: Lower video quality when downloading? Are you sure about that?

how many people have bandwidth caps that would allow them to DL (ceteris paribus, no other internet usage at all) more than 5 blu-ray discs a month?

720p on Pirate Bay is around 3-6GB. 1080P goes up to around10-15GB. Not that bad at all.

Hell some compress 720p to under 1GB, but apparently that's a mortal sin to some.


I pay Comcast less than $70/month and have no bandwidth cap.

The 1080 movies I download at ~10 gigs are nearly indistinguishable from BluRay...especially since I sit 12 feet away from a 65" TV, meaning, most of the time you can't even really tell 1080 from 720.
 
2013-10-16 03:53:47 PM  

rocky_howard: 3.- I DON'T pirate everything just because it's free like some people do. I still only pirate stuff I really want to see. So no Adam Sandler movies or the latest romantic comedy abortion.


Heh. I've a friend who got a cease-and-desist or whatever from his cable company. I asked him what for. "Paranormal Activity 4." I laughed at him.
 
2013-10-16 03:59:49 PM  

TNel: scottydoesntknow: Find a YIFY torrent on Pirate Bay and you'll see tons of audio freaks biatching about the audio on his compressed HD movies.

Which is stupid because your home setup would have to be amazing to even remotely hear some change and if you have that kind of setup I think you can afford to either rent the movie or buy it.


Yep. I've never had an issue with audio problems. And I'm not going to biatch about something that's free.
 
2013-10-16 04:01:36 PM  

skozlaw: Or on the NFL streams. I know a couple people who use VPN services to stream NFL games from Europe for free simply because there's no valid option for watching their team here (except DirecTV Sunday Ticket streaming which costs an arm and leg, usually doesn't work, has a terrible quality stream, is a PITA to play on your TV and you aren't even really supposed to be able to purchase unless you can't get DirecTV satellite service in your area).

.

..and despite their "any game" advertising, Sunday Ticket only offers about 9 games a week: the 1pm and 4pm games that aren't on your network TV. Hell, I was in an airport on Sunday and couldn't watch GB-BAL because it was on my TV at home, 2000 miles away. WTF is that.

So even though I paid for the digital-device-only Sunday Ticket, I still need to "illegally" stream the Monday and Thursday night games, and some Sunday games. For that, I have a couple websites that never fail and a Chromecast to get them on my TV. On a perfect Sunday, I have a game on the TV, one on the computer monitor, one on a laptop, and Red Zone going on the tablet, with a minikeg of German beer and my wife bringing me taquitos. Doesn't happen often, but when it does, it can be glorious. Even if three of those four streams circumvent the NFL's 1956-era broadcast rules.

What all this means is, even though I paid for the official solution, I still need to break the rules to get the content I should be able to get. That means the official solution is lacking.
 
2013-10-16 04:01:39 PM  
I wish there was a Netflix that offered the highest quality media available, at the soonest possible release date, without waiting and no monthly fees.

Oh yeah, that business model failed.

But really, highly compressed streaming media, or limited selection delayed release physical media is just as good. Or you can buy the blu-ray for $40 and watch it 1.6 times, given that the blue-ray player has the most recent patch that allows the movie to boot up.
 
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