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(Huffington Post)   "Dear Secretary of Education, I can't pay for my undergrad degree so I tried to forge my grandmother's signature on a loan request, but I was denied. Why do you hate black people? Yours in Christ, Robert"   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-10-16 10:35:15 AM  
At this point, I write this open letter with a $6,900 bill that I cannot pay hanging over my head. As one who is anticipating to graduate in May, I cannot apply to graduate school because my transcripts are on hold and I cannot graduate if I don't pay my school over $12,000 by May.

Oh, well then graduate school is DEFINITELY the answer.
 
2013-10-16 11:27:03 AM  
If only there was some way to trade your services for money.
 
2013-10-16 12:09:56 PM  
Tennessee National Guard is looking for people.  Volunteer with a slacker admin MOS or something, they'll cover the student loans, and probably add a little on besides.  Just saying.
 
2013-10-16 12:16:18 PM  
He should be able to pay his debts with the refund from those shoddy English grammar classes.
 
2013-10-16 01:04:13 PM  
Sugar daddies need love too, y'know.
 
2013-10-16 01:29:43 PM  
This is a life-long Democrat, no doubt.
 
2013-10-16 01:30:04 PM  
The funny part is that EFC stands for Expected Family Contribution. In essence, he's complaining because his family is too rich for him to qualify for the assistance given to really low income individuals.

Boo farking hoo you moocher. Grow a pair and take responsibility for yourself.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but a 3.3 ain't nothing to brag about. First off, your GPA means practically nothing about your ability to do well in graduate school. Second, even if it did, a 3.3 means you're (at most) qualified.
 
2013-10-16 01:30:19 PM  

grokca: If only there was some way to trade your services for money.


Ha, without having an official degree.  And being young?  In this economy.  You're funny.

//It's your fault you can't afford school, get a job.
//It's your fault you can't get a job, go to school.
 
2013-10-16 01:31:47 PM  
Tell me he's not an English major.

/any college grad should be able to write better
 
2013-10-16 01:35:57 PM  

ikanreed: grokca: If only there was some way to trade your services for money.

Ha, without having an official degree.  And being young?  In this economy.  You're funny.

//It's your fault you can't afford school, get a job.
//It's your fault you can't get a job, go to school.


I have no problem with the student complaining that he can't afford school. There is a serious educational funding criss right now, and he's not wrong about that.

My concern with his letter has several points:

1) He can't pay for his current degree, yet he plans to head immediately to graduate school
2) He thinks it's "shocking" that people were denied Parent PLUS loans. PLUS loans have to be repayed while the student is in school, so often a student is given the loan for the first year, but when the parents don't make payments, they cannot get the loan for subsequent years. Also, because PLUS loans cannot be forgiven in bankruptcy, they often cause considerably hardship to the parents of low income students.
3) He thinks Arne Duncan is responsible for educational funding, and not Congress- he's from Tennessee and going to a Baptist school. He should look around him
4) He forged his parents name on a loan application, and then attempted to commit fraud by using his grandmother's name.
 
2013-10-16 01:36:15 PM  

Fubini: The funny part is that EFC stands for Expected Family Contribution. In essence, he's complaining because his family is too rich for him to qualify for the assistance given to really low income individuals.

Boo farking hoo you moocher. Grow a pair and take responsibility for yourself.


He's a moocher because his family isn't paying for him to go to college? I have no intention of paying for my child's college. I paid for mine, she can pay for hers. It would be a shame for my income to affect her ability to borrow.
 
2013-10-16 01:36:32 PM  
Why doesn't he get a Grad Plus loan?
 
2013-10-16 01:36:49 PM  

grokca: If only there was some way to trade your services for money.


Depends on how well hung he is, I guess.
 
2013-10-16 01:37:49 PM  

Mad Scientist: Tell me he's not an English major.

/any college grad should be able to write better


You'd be surprised. Part of my job involves reviewing and vetting resumes, cover letters and applications for my employer. Some of the stuff I read, especially from university or college graduates, leaves me speechless.

I make several dozen Alot sightings per day.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-16 01:38:01 PM  

This Looks Fun: He's a moocher because his family isn't paying for him to go to college? I have no intention of paying for my child's college. I paid for mine, she can pay for hers. It would be a shame for my income to affect her ability to borrow.


You don't think your income shouldn't be a factor in how much aid the federal government gives your child?

So what your saying is that I as a tax payer are more responsible for paying for your kid's education that you are?
 
2013-10-16 01:38:51 PM  

balki1867: Why doesn't he get a Grad Plus loan?


He's an undergrad.
 
2013-10-16 01:39:24 PM  

Mad Scientist: Tell me he's not an English major.

/any college grad should be able to write better


According to his profile, he's a BA in Theology and Theological Studies.

He probably would have done better taking his loan money and lighting it on fire.
 
2013-10-16 01:42:10 PM  
miss diminutive:

I make several dozen Alot sightings per day.


Gah!  That's my leading pet peeve...er, peave.
 
2013-10-16 01:43:38 PM  

Fubini: The funny part is that EFC stands for Expected Family Contribution. In essence, he's complaining because his family is too rich for him to qualify for the assistance given to really low income individuals.

Boo farking hoo you moocher. Grow a pair and take responsibility for yourself.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but a 3.3 ain't nothing to brag about. First off, your GPA means practically nothing about your ability to do well in graduate school. Second, even if it did, a 3.3 means you're (at most) qualified.


Depends on where you went. Harvard? Sure. Grade inflation is rampant. Reed College? You'll be doing great if you have 3.3
 
2013-10-16 01:45:21 PM  
must have flunked Ethics 101.

he'd fit perfectly in the CONgress.   or maybe Wall Street.
 
2013-10-16 01:45:56 PM  

This Looks Fun: Fubini: The funny part is that EFC stands for Expected Family Contribution. In essence, he's complaining because his family is too rich for him to qualify for the assistance given to really low income individuals.

Boo farking hoo you moocher. Grow a pair and take responsibility for yourself.

He's a moocher because his family isn't paying for him to go to college? I have no intention of paying for my child's college. I paid for mine, she can pay for hers. It would be a shame for my income to affect her ability to borrow.


He's a moocher because he's born into privilege and expects the government to come in and cover his bad decisions because he's a special little snowflake. It sounds like he doesn't have the money on hand to pay his outstanding tuition, much less go forward with more schooling.In essence, he didn't plan for his financial well being at all, and now he's in debt and no one is willing to give him a handout.

People make bad decisions all the time, and there's nothing about this guy that says it's in society's particular interest to help him personally.
 
2013-10-16 01:48:23 PM  

what_now: ikanreed: grokca: If only there was some way to trade your services for money.

Ha, without having an official degree.  And being young?  In this economy.  You're funny.

//It's your fault you can't afford school, get a job.
//It's your fault you can't get a job, go to school.

I have no problem with the student complaining that he can't afford school. There is a serious educational funding criss right now, and he's not wrong about that.

My concern with his letter has several points:

1) He can't pay for his current degree, yet he plans to head immediately to graduate school
2) He thinks it's "shocking" that people were denied Parent PLUS loans. PLUS loans have to be repayed while the student is in school, so often a student is given the loan for the first year, but when the parents don't make payments, they cannot get the loan for subsequent years. Also, because PLUS loans cannot be forgiven in bankruptcy, they often cause considerably hardship to the parents of low income students.
3) He thinks Arne Duncan is responsible for educational funding, and not Congress- he's from Tennessee and going to a Baptist school. He should look around him
4) He forged his parents name on a loan application, and then attempted to commit fraud by using his grandmother's name.


5) He claims his EFC is so high it precludes the loan, which means that his family is actually pretty well-to-do.  So this is one case where the Romney question is actually relevant: "Why doesn't he just borrow the money from his parents?"
 
2013-10-16 01:51:36 PM  
Student, American Baptist College

There it is........... Most hypocritical pieces of shiat or most hypocritical pieces of shiat ever?
 
2013-10-16 01:54:25 PM  
Why not secure funds before incurring the expense? That's how it worked when I went to school.
 
2013-10-16 01:54:33 PM  
Borrowed debt,  that never 'really' needs to be paid back,  is really one of the building blocks of our nation.
This fella is entitled to spend as much as he wants with few limits.     There should be no ceiling for debt.

Why aren't the working families doing enough to supply more tax monies for education?    Disadvantaged kids are suffering.
 
2013-10-16 01:55:26 PM  
You'd think his awesome title would pay enough for a few grand at a local college:

Robert Hoggard
Founding President of American Baptist College's Chapter of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference

Moar Leadership!

//this handbasket is nice
 
2013-10-16 01:59:21 PM  
When I read that he was a theology major it had a good chuckle.

If he will forge loan applications know, what he will do to his future congregants.
 
2013-10-16 01:59:47 PM  

grokca: If only there was some way to trade your services for money.


That sounds dangerously close to prostitution
 
2013-10-16 02:00:04 PM  
Dear Arne,

My family is too rich for me to qualify for student loans.  What the fark is your problem?

Hugs,
Robert Hoggard.
 
2013-10-16 02:00:49 PM  

devildog123: Tennessee National Guard is looking for people.  Volunteer with a slacker admin MOS or something, they'll cover the student loans, and probably add a little on besides.  Just saying.


So much of this.  If you want free money, just about any armed service is looking to pay you to cut your hair and wear boots all day (and possibly get shot at)
 
2013-10-16 02:01:06 PM  
They're called scholarships.  Go to the financial aid office of your college (or guidance counselor's office if you're still in high school).  Ask for a copy of every application for every scholarship they have on file.  Then fill out and mail in all of them.  Do enough and you'll be able to afford college.  You may need to take a job or two or a loan, but you can make ends meet.

And don't give me any "but I don't have good enough grades to get a scholarship" bull either.  There's enough of them that are random draw that if you shotgun enough applications you'll hit something.  Case in point: when I was in school the Coca-Cola company offered $5000 a year scholarships to anyone living within 50 miles of a bottling plant.  The entire application consisted of your name, address, and the school you go to.
 
2013-10-16 02:01:28 PM  

Where wolf: devildog123: Tennessee National Guard is looking for people.  Volunteer with a slacker admin MOS or something, they'll cover the student loans, and probably add a little on besides.  Just saying.

So much of this.  If you want free money, just about any armed service is looking to pay you to cut your hair and wear boots all day (and possibly get shot at)


He said, "Son, have you seen the world? Well, what would you say if I said that you could? Just carry this gun; you'll even get paid!"

I said, "That sounds pretty good."
 
2013-10-16 02:01:39 PM  
Only wackiness can ensue when the poors decide they want to go to college.
 
2013-10-16 02:03:59 PM  

jankyboy: Why not secure funds before incurring the expense? That's how it worked when I went to school.


Why not just get a job and skip college altogether?
 
2013-10-16 02:04:22 PM  
Robert Hoggard
Founding President of American Baptist College's Chapter of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference


I suggest he try praying.  Or setting up a bake sale at his church.  I'm told that those are the best solutions for paying for cancer, so they should suffice just as well for paying for college.
 
2013-10-16 02:05:36 PM  

qorkfiend: Where wolf: devildog123: Tennessee National Guard is looking for people.  Volunteer with a slacker admin MOS or something, they'll cover the student loans, and probably add a little on besides.  Just saying.

So much of this.  If you want free money, just about any armed service is looking to pay you to cut your hair and wear boots all day (and possibly get shot at)

He said, "Son, have you seen the world? Well, what would you say if I said that you could? Just carry this gun; you'll even get paid!"

I said, "That sounds pretty good."


You might even come home with a flag you can trust.
 
2013-10-16 02:06:43 PM  

HeartBurnKid: 5) He claims his EFC is so high it precludes the loan, which means that his family is actually pretty well-to-do. So this is one case where the Romney question is actually relevant: "Why doesn't he just borrow the money from his parents?"


That presumes that his parents don't have any debt of their own.

Again, the kid's an asshole for admitting fraud.
 
2013-10-16 02:08:03 PM  

HeartBurnKid: 5) He claims his EFC is so high it precludes the loan, which means that his family is actually pretty well-to-do.


Not really.  I used to work in financial aid and we had people come in all the time whose families couldn't afford school, but the government said they could.  They'd say, "Where do they think we're gonna come up with this $10,000?"   Oftentimes it was expected that they sell an apartment complex they run, or their side business, or their second car (despite the fact that both parents worked).  The government position is basically that, if you have any money anywhere--in savings, checking, or tied up in any assets at all--you should be willing to use that money to pay for your kid's schooling, even if it basically ruins your life.

I think you're allowed to keep a car and a house, but that's about it.
 
2013-10-16 02:08:43 PM  

Where wolf: devildog123: Tennessee National Guard is looking for people.  Volunteer with a slacker admin MOS or something, they'll cover the student loans, and probably add a little on besides.  Just saying.

So much of this.  If you want free money, just about any armed service is looking to pay you to cut your hair and wear boots all day (and possibly get shot at)


Hell, most of them are looking to pay you to do it part time, learn a skill, and not even get shot at.  Go become a  42A-Human Resources Specialist in the Guard.  I promise, the odds of ever seeing anything more dangerous than a paper cut is so low it's not even funny.
 
2013-10-16 02:10:22 PM  
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2013-10-16 02:10:55 PM  

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Winner.
 
2013-10-16 02:11:05 PM  

This Looks Fun: Fubini: The funny part is that EFC stands for Expected Family Contribution. In essence, he's complaining because his family is too rich for him to qualify for the assistance given to really low income individuals.

Boo farking hoo you moocher. Grow a pair and take responsibility for yourself.

He's a moocher because his family isn't paying for him to go to college? I have no intention of paying for my child's college. I paid for mine, she can pay for hers. It would be a shame for my income to affect her ability to borrow.


Yeah, there's this weird Catch-22 where your parents can make it impossible for you to get any financial aid (or even federal loans), but they don't have to pay.  At which point you're looking down the barrel of $40K in loans for a shiat school, and $120K for 4 years of a decent state school if you live on campus (And given the number of late-night study sessions you'll attend, you will want to live on campus.  I had multiple classes where my groups for projects met up at or after midnight.)

Only real way to avoid it as the child is to bum around getting minimum wage-ish jobs until you turn 24, at which point you can use your minimum wage income to laugh your way into a full ride.

Given that private loans are not dischargeable in bankruptcy, are government-backed, and tend to laugh at financial hardship deferment pleas (as part of their general skeeziness), what you might want to consider doing (if you have the cash of course) is give them a ~4%, 10 year loan that they then have to pay back once they get out of school.  Sit down, explain exactly what $40K in debt means to them and their lifestyle (~$500/month, every month, for 10 years, which is the difference between a bus pass at $3/ride and a VERY nice new car with insurance), ensure that they're at least going into a major that could work out financially (ie: Can you make minimum wage + $500/month after taxes, because if yes, you just broke even), and let them have at it.

/Or you can get lucky like me, have your parents get divorced and the only parent who counts lose her job every other year and ride Parental Income: $0, Student Income: $9K into a more-or-less full ride.
//Also, AP classes are the shiznit.  A $50 test can get you 10 college credits (I had 43 total, and graduated a semester early)
 
2013-10-16 02:12:05 PM  
Is this guy kinda proud of pulling a 3.3 GPA in college? Really? That's like bare minimum- if you pull in a GPA lower you might want to reconsider if this college thing really is for you.
/3.3 is about what I pulled in undergrad; can you tell why I didn't go to grad school?
 
2013-10-16 02:14:04 PM  

Mad Scientist: miss diminutive:

I make several dozen Alot sightings per day.


Gah!  That's my leading pet peeve...er, peave.


Does anyone else reflexively scream "BACKLASH!" at the TV anytime a reporter says "blowback?" I swear, it's like someone was stoned and couldn't come up with a word and went "this sounds right, durrrr."
 
2013-10-16 02:14:23 PM  
Paying for your child's tuition is really a disservice to them and to the rest of us. It only serves to inflate the cost of education because "Mom and Dad will pickup the bill".

/ Also this kid's bootstraps are on backorder
 
2013-10-16 02:16:29 PM  

HeartBurnKid: what_now: ikanreed: grokca: If only there was some way to trade your services for money.

Ha, without having an official degree.  And being young?  In this economy.  You're funny.

//It's your fault you can't afford school, get a job.
//It's your fault you can't get a job, go to school.

I have no problem with the student complaining that he can't afford school. There is a serious educational funding criss right now, and he's not wrong about that.

My concern with his letter has several points:

1) He can't pay for his current degree, yet he plans to head immediately to graduate school
2) He thinks it's "shocking" that people were denied Parent PLUS loans. PLUS loans have to be repayed while the student is in school, so often a student is given the loan for the first year, but when the parents don't make payments, they cannot get the loan for subsequent years. Also, because PLUS loans cannot be forgiven in bankruptcy, they often cause considerably hardship to the parents of low income students.
3) He thinks Arne Duncan is responsible for educational funding, and not Congress- he's from Tennessee and going to a Baptist school. He should look around him
4) He forged his parents name on a loan application, and then attempted to commit fraud by using his grandmother's name.

5) He claims his EFC is so high it precludes the loan, which means that his family is actually pretty well-to-do.  So this is one case where the Romney question is actually relevant: "Why doesn't he just borrow the money from his parents?"


If you're financially independent from the family, can't you also just file your taxes individually (and not as a dependent of someone else) and apply for aid on your own? Don't they look at family contributions only if your income taxes are filed as a dependent of someone else? (It's been about a decade since I did this myself)
 
2013-10-16 02:18:21 PM  

Peki: Mad Scientist: miss diminutive:

I make several dozen Alot sightings per day.


Gah!  That's my leading pet peeve...er, peave.

Does anyone else reflexively scream "BACKLASH!" at the TV anytime a reporter says "blowback?" I swear, it's like someone was stoned and couldn't come up with a word and went "this sounds right, durrrr."


I always thought they were referencing this:

www.journeywithjesus.net
 
2013-10-16 02:20:21 PM  

what_now: This Looks Fun: He's a moocher because his family isn't paying for him to go to college? I have no intention of paying for my child's college. I paid for mine, she can pay for hers. It would be a shame for my income to affect her ability to borrow.

You don't think your income shouldn't be a factor in how much aid the federal government gives your child?

So what your saying is that I as a tax payer are more responsible for paying for your kid's education that you are?


No, what I'm saying I have bolded for you. I have also bolded what you have said incorrectly.
 
2013-10-16 02:20:34 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Only wackiness can ensue when the poors decide they want to go to college.


Did you read the article? I thought not, pay any attention to any comments previous to yours? No again I'm guessing. He's not poor, thats why they denied his application. I finished up my bachelors a couple of years ago and in the 5 years I was in school I had no trouble whatsoever, other than clerical snafus of course, in getting approval for grants and loans. They have entire departments devoted just to seeing to it these funds are disbursed properly. If you were denied it wasn't an accident or mistake you just don't qualify.

Southern

Theology Student

Runs a campus christian organization

Trying to rip off the system

Running around crying like he has a bleeding ass

I'm guessing he's a republican, he voted for the people trying to cut funding to higher education and now whinging on about how student loans are harder to get. Yes definitely a republican.
 
2013-10-16 02:21:06 PM  

austerity101: HeartBurnKid: 5) He claims his EFC is so high it precludes the loan, which means that his family is actually pretty well-to-do.

Not really.  I used to work in financial aid and we had people come in all the time whose families couldn't afford school, but the government said they could.  They'd say, "Where do they think we're gonna come up with this $10,000?"   Oftentimes it was expected that they sell an apartment complex they run, or their side business, or their second car (despite the fact that both parents worked).  The government position is basically that, if you have any money anywhere--in savings, checking, or tied up in any assets at all--you should be willing to use that money to pay for your kid's schooling, even if it basically ruins your life.

I think you're allowed to keep a car and a house, but that's about it.


Actually, no.

"Counted as assets on the FAFSA are money and property owned by parents or student. This includes savings and checking accounts, cash, the net worth of a business with over 100 full-time employees or a farm that is not the family's primary residence, investment accounts, non-retirement tax-deferred savings plans such as 529 accounts, tax-exempt interest income, tax credits, investment property, and many other types of assets."

Other personal assets (like cars and primary homes) are not counted in the EFC calculation. Someone whose parents own investment properties and large businesses does not (and should not) qualify for federal assistance. Past that, the government expects you to spend about %5 of your total assets per year on your child's education. That's achievable for just about anyone who cares to try.
 
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