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(Yahoo)   German Museum: Your grandfather stole that gold Assyrian tablet from our Museum in 1945 and we want it back. Family: Yeah and you kept him locked up in Auschwitz for three years and murdered his family, so what do you say we call it even?   (omg.yahoo.com) divider line 231
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2013-10-16 10:32:41 AM
 I'd melt it down first.

And Germany needs to remember............YOU LOST THE WAR!!!!
 
2013-10-16 10:36:42 AM
The 9.5-gram tablet was excavated a century ago by German archaeologists from the Ishtar Temple in what is now northern Iraq. It went on display in Berlin in 1934, was put in storage as the war began and later disappeared.

So really, it belongs to the Iraqis, not the Germans.
 
2013-10-16 10:39:46 AM
It's a thorny legal issue, all right. I'll need to refer to the case of Finders v. Keepers
 
2013-10-16 11:00:27 AM

chiett: I'd melt it down first.

And Germany needs to remember............YOU LOST THE WAR!!!!


Are you a mental case?
 
2013-10-16 11:30:43 AM

what_now: The 9.5-gram tablet was excavated a century ago by German archaeologists from the Ishtar Temple in what is now northern Iraq. It went on display in Berlin in 1934, was put in storage as the war began and later disappeared.

So really, it belongs to the Iraqis, not the Germans.


But they took it fair and square from Iraq under their right of pillage.
 
2013-10-16 11:48:09 AM
This tablet...alien writing... IT'S A COOKBOOK
 
2013-10-16 12:03:00 PM
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2013-10-16 12:31:38 PM
Yeah, the krauts need to STFU and remember they lost the war, plus, they stole it from someone else.
 
2013-10-16 12:32:10 PM
Riven Flamenbaum and the Tablet of Gold
 
2013-10-16 12:32:32 PM
German Museum: Don't care. We still want it back.
 
2013-10-16 12:33:38 PM

what_now: The 9.5-gram tablet was excavated a century ago by German archaeologists from the Ishtar Temple in what is now northern Iraq. It went on display in Berlin in 1934, was put in storage as the war began and later disappeared.

So really, it belongs to the Iraqis, not the Germans.



upload.wikimedia.org

Doesn't it really belong to everyone victimized by seeing that movie and Dustin Hoffman in particular?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-16 12:41:52 PM
The original judge erroneously thought the museum knew in 1954 the tablet was in New York and didn't pursue it, while the midlevel court concluded it didn't know until 2006, when its claim was pursued, he said.

There are international treaties setting substantive rules for holocaust-related art. Procedural rules come from domestic law. If you want your stolen property back you have to act promptly when you know who to sue to recover it.
 
2013-10-16 12:46:50 PM
"Ha! Nothing on earth could stop  El Capitan from finding his gold!"
 
2013-10-16 12:47:46 PM
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"Ha! Nothing on earth could stop  El Capitan from finding his gold!"
 
2013-10-16 12:59:11 PM

chiett: I'd melt it down first.

And Germany needs to remember............YOU LOST THE WAR!!!!


SHhh... Don't mention the war!
 
2013-10-16 01:16:41 PM
Did the Museum participate in Nazi atrocities?

I seriously doubt that

Its stolen property, plain and simple. The fact that it is a holocaust survivor that stole it doesn't make it right. Stealing is stealing.
 
2013-10-16 01:36:29 PM

cman: Did the Museum participate in Nazi atrocities?

I seriously doubt that

Its stolen property, plain and simple. The fact that it is a holocaust survivor that stole it doesn't make it right. Stealing is stealing.


I agree.  They should return it to the rightful owners, the Iraqis.
 
2013-10-16 01:38:12 PM

haemaker: cman: Did the Museum participate in Nazi atrocities?

I seriously doubt that

Its stolen property, plain and simple. The fact that it is a holocaust survivor that stole it doesn't make it right. Stealing is stealing.

I agree.  They should return it to the rightful owners, the Iraqis.


Yes sir
 
2013-10-16 01:38:33 PM

Slaxl: chiett: I'd melt it down first.

And Germany needs to remember............YOU LOST THE WAR!!!!

Are you a mental case?


Fawlty Towers fan.
 
2013-10-16 01:47:40 PM
Shaddap. Your beer's warm and your porn's too freaky for Japan.
 
2013-10-16 01:53:23 PM

ZAZ: The original judge erroneously thought the museum knew in 1954 the tablet was in New York and didn't pursue it, while the midlevel court concluded it didn't know until 2006, when its claim was pursued, he said.

There are international treaties setting substantive rules for holocaust-related art. Procedural rules come from domestic law. If you want your stolen property back you have to act promptly when you know who to sue to recover it.


Don't think international rules just apply to plunder by armies? I thought it was a "you start a war, fark you" type thing.
 
2013-10-16 02:07:11 PM

DamnYankees: Don't think international rules just apply to plunder by armies? I thought it was a "you start a war, fark you" type thing.


This isn't Nam, there are rules.
 
2013-10-16 02:09:34 PM

haemaker: DamnYankees: Don't think international rules just apply to plunder by armies? I thought it was a "you start a war, fark you" type thing.

This isn't Nam, there are rules.


WWII wasn't one of those wars

At least for Russia and Germany

Those two REALLY hated each other

Germans would treat American and British POW's much better than the Russians.
 
2013-10-16 02:13:22 PM
Since we're the last to conquer Iraq, it belongs in the Smithsonian.
 
2013-10-16 02:23:05 PM

cman: haemaker: DamnYankees: Don't think international rules just apply to plunder by armies? I thought it was a "you start a war, fark you" type thing.

This isn't Nam, there are rules.

WWII wasn't one of those wars

At least for Russia and Germany

Those two REALLY hated each other

Germans would treat American and British POW's much better than the Russians.


Pretty much. They viewed Americans and British as worthy adversaries. They considered Russians to be lower than dogs.
 
2013-10-16 02:24:24 PM

cman: Germans would treat American and British POW's much better than the Russians.


Better than they treated the Russian POW's, or better than the Russians treated American and British POW's?

//Probably better than the Russians treated recaptured Russian POW's, anyway.
 
2013-10-16 02:25:01 PM
Ya ya. Put it in my trunk, I'm late for a Kraftwerk show in Stuttgart.
 
2013-10-16 02:25:57 PM

Fano: Ya ya. Put it in my trunk, I'm late for a Kraftwerk show in Stuttgart.


Awesome. +1
 
2013-10-16 02:26:10 PM
The world was in a state of disrepair and pillaging because of us, you were unjustly detained because of us, your family and many of your neighbors and friends were tortured and killed because of us.  Now hand it over because there are laws!
 
2013-10-16 02:26:56 PM

Fano: Ya ya. Put it in my trunk, I'm late for a Kraftwerk show in Stuttgart.


Thank you.  Leaving happy.
 
2013-10-16 02:27:47 PM
Give it to Israel with the proviso they donate it to Iraq with the proviso they have to credit da Jews.
 
2013-10-16 02:28:01 PM
The way I look at it: He had his revenge when he had it for his whole life. He lost his rights to the item when he died. It belongs back in a museum.
 
2013-10-16 02:29:03 PM
Fark 'em both.

How about this: the museum gets it back and they have to pay court costs and storage fees to the current holders. That way no one really wins.
 
2013-10-16 02:29:42 PM
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2013-10-16 02:30:09 PM

doyner: Since we're the last to conquer Iraq, it belongs in the Smithsonian.


Well, Germany disarmed Iraq, but then the U.S. disarmed Germany, so yeah, it belongs in the U.S.

The tablet chooses the country, that much has always been clear to those of us who have studied tabletlore.
 
2013-10-16 02:30:20 PM

miss diminutive: Fano: Ya ya. Put it in my trunk, I'm late for a Kraftwerk show in Stuttgart.

Awesome. +1


Hey fun boys, get a room!
 
2013-10-16 02:31:16 PM
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He got it from this Sultan...
 
2013-10-16 02:31:59 PM

what_now: The 9.5-gram tablet was excavated a century ago by German archaeologists from the Ishtar Temple in what is now northern Iraq. It went on display in Berlin in 1934, was put in storage as the war began and later disappeared.

So really, it belongs to the Iraqis, not the Germans.


THIS.  Christ.  Or the Iraqi Assyrians considering they're still around.  Kinda.

/5% of my hometown is Iraqi Assyrians (thanks, Wikipedia!)
//Used to be able to speak a few words and phrases, not so much anymore
 
2013-10-16 02:32:08 PM
Urgh. I'd say give it back to Iraq.
 
2013-10-16 02:32:16 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Fark 'em both.

How about this: the museum gets it back and they have to pay court costs and storage fees to the current holders. That way no one really wins.



Why? As someone mentioned earlier, the museum didn't have a hand in the murder of the man's family or his incarceration in a concentration camp. It was stolen. It should be returned.
 
2013-10-16 02:32:24 PM
"There's no such thing as a right of pillage,"

First rape and now this... and the erosion of military benefits continues.
 
2013-10-16 02:32:35 PM

Somacandra: Doesn't it really belong to everyone victimized by seeing that movie and Dustin Hoffman in particular?


I saw it in the theater. A solid gold tablet would help.
 
2013-10-16 02:32:59 PM

Gig103: chiett: I'd melt it down first.

And Germany needs to remember............YOU LOST THE WAR!!!!

SHhh... Don't mention the war!


I mentioned it once, accidentally, but I think I got away with it.
 
2013-10-16 02:33:17 PM

chiett: I'd melt it down first.

And Germany needs to remember............YOU LOST THE WAR!!!!


At 9.5 grams the melt down price is approximately $300.00.  I think I'd keep it like it is for a cool $10MM.
 
2013-10-16 02:33:19 PM
Unless I Missed the point, I believe Riven's father obtained the tablet when Germany's government was in Exile. This Revelation should allow him to keep the tablet until the End of Ages as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-10-16 02:34:02 PM
Two groups of people that really shouldn't have claims over ancient archaeological artifacts of other countries, arguing over who have rightful claim over ancient artifact of another country..
 
2013-10-16 02:34:27 PM

PsyLord: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 712x302]
He got it from this Sultan...


With tanks.
 
2013-10-16 02:34:34 PM
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I personally believe that U.S. American's are unable to do so because uh, some people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh I believe that our education like such as German museums, and uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as and I believe that they should our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. uh, or should help German museums and should help the Iraq and the Assyrian countries so we will be able to build up our future for our children.
 
2013-10-16 02:34:36 PM

trippdogg: "There's no such thing as a right of pillage,"

First rape and now this... and the erosion of military benefits continues.


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand favorited.
 
2013-10-16 02:34:51 PM
came here hoping for a last crusade reference. glad to see it's been  covered.
 
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