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(Politico)   The GOP story of angry WWII vets "Storming the barry-cades" at the WWII memorial has one tiny flaw: it isn't actually true. Park Service employees have had instructions, since day one, to move the fences and allow veterans access to the monument   (politico.com) divider line 85
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2013-10-16 12:09:31 PM  
Why didn't the GOP storm the closed MLK monument across the street?
 
2013-10-16 12:10:35 PM  
If there are park service people working there then why even have the fence in the first place?
 
2013-10-16 12:12:05 PM  
When has not being true ever stopped the GOP from saying anything?
 
2013-10-16 12:12:57 PM  

BiffDangler: If there are park service people working there then why even have the fence in the first place?


Likely because they are a skeleton crew and cannot maintain the place against regular levels of tourist traffic.
 
2013-10-16 12:13:33 PM  

BiffDangler: If there are park service people working there then why even have the fence in the first place?


Because Veterans of a war are assumed to not wreck the monument with garbage unlike the tourists that normally come through.
 
2013-10-16 12:14:51 PM  
Republicans are disingenuous lying traitors.
 
2013-10-16 12:15:40 PM  
Wait Joe isn't a plumber? Next you will tell me his name isn't Joe.
 
2013-10-16 12:16:19 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Republicans are disingenuous lying traitors.


So?  They're betraying the socialists who voted for Obama, not real Americans.
 
2013-10-16 12:16:48 PM  

InmanRoshi: Why didn't the GOP storm the closed MLK monument across the street?


blog.muchmusic.com
/hot like the load Michael Myers dropped in his pants when Kanye said the magic words
 
2013-10-16 12:18:05 PM  
You mean to tell me that it was all staged political theater by the party who was responsible for closing the memorial in the first place?

Are you also trying to tell me that the people who actually believed the "OMG Obama closed it because he hates veterans and wanted to make republicans look bad" narrative are complete idiots?

You don't say.
 
2013-10-16 12:19:17 PM  
But, but... I heard from a guy who knows someone who once worked with this dude with "connections" that there's a document in place that is a directive from the President himself to make life as difficult as humanly possible for the citizenry.
 
2013-10-16 12:21:05 PM  
Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...
 
2013-10-16 12:23:05 PM  
I know that's what I'd do if I had a magical time machine!
 
2013-10-16 12:25:32 PM  

metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...


Account created: 2013-06-20 09:01:26
 
2013-10-16 12:26:33 PM  

timujin: But, but... I heard from a guy who knows someone who once worked with this dude with "connections" that there's a document in place that is a directive from the President himself to make life as difficult as humanly possible for the citizenry.


I really love this argument: Obama is required to shut off all non-mandatory or non-emergency spending, but the fact that public entertainment locations aren't considered mandatory and emergency in his mind is proof he's just putting the screws to your average American. I mean, I can understand if they were pointing to SNAP cuts as evidence of Obama "punishing" people for the shutdown, but somehow that isn't a problem since the people making these claims believe food stamps are a scam used by moochers and not Real Americans (who all regularly plan vacations to national parks in October, I'm sure.)
 
2013-10-16 12:32:05 PM  
Yes, but that kind of narrative isn't going to get checks written to SarahPAC.

Clearly Obama is going to use his Time Machine to go back and stamp "APPROVED" on Hitler's application to the Vienna School of Art so there's never is a World War II -- that's how much he hates veterans, he doesn't even want them to exist!
 
2013-10-16 12:32:31 PM  
If the media were at all competent, this would have been discovered and broadcast the first time a whine was whined.
 
2013-10-16 12:33:51 PM  
Truth is terrible for ratings.  Truthiness, on the other hand...
 
2013-10-16 12:37:14 PM  
Who are the Republicans going to exploit in 20 years when all the WW2 vets are gone?
 
2013-10-16 12:42:58 PM  
I'm so sick of all the crocodile tears over vets possibly being barred from these closed monuments. Even if it had happened, so what. Yes, it's sad, but there are about a million priorities more important in this whole catastrof*ck than a vet not getting to see the WWII monument.
 
2013-10-16 12:43:08 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Who are the Republicans going to exploit in 20 years when all the WW2 vets are gone?


Vietnam vets.
 
2013-10-16 12:44:34 PM  

metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...


Hurry along back into the echo chamber.  The real world is a scary place.
 
2013-10-16 12:51:51 PM  
But..  But.  I was told there was a memo instructing all government workers to make this as painful to the public as possible with orders for park rangers to push any veteran they see on crutches to the ground.
 
2013-10-16 12:52:41 PM  
But the important thing, subby, is that they feel that it could be true.
 
2013-10-16 12:53:14 PM  

InmanRoshi: metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...

Hurry along back into the echo chamber.  The real world is a scary place.


LouDobbsAwaaaay: metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...

Account created: 2013-06-20 09:01:26


Oh isn't he just the most precious troll account?  His profile is adorable too.  Rarely I put someone straight on ignore.

Wait, I'm sorry.  I meant "different opinion account."
 
2013-10-16 12:53:34 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Wellon Dowd: Who are the Republicans going to exploit in 20 years when all the WW2 vets are gone?

Vietnam vets.


Oh please, they started doing that in 1970.
 
2013-10-16 12:53:40 PM  

BiffDangler: If there are park service people working there then why even have the fence in the first place?


This. Just like how Obama was investigating the privacy issues of the government before the NSA leaks. What a coincidence. Do the Total Farkers that regurgitate these talking points actually believe them or are they just being good soldiers?
 
2013-10-16 01:03:58 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Wellon Dowd: Who are the Republicans going to exploit in 20 years when all the WW2 vets are gone?

Vietnam vets.


It'll be fun to see how successful the GOP will be in spinning their cutting of vet benefits over the years as something the Democrats did.
 
2013-10-16 01:10:31 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Coco LaFemme: Wellon Dowd: Who are the Republicans going to exploit in 20 years when all the WW2 vets are gone?

Vietnam vets.

It'll be fun to see how successful the GOP will be in spinning their cutting of vet benefits over the years as something the Democrats did.


Suddenly feeling much worse about the outlook for our Afghan/Iraq vets. :/
 
2013-10-16 01:12:40 PM  
I love the "well, we got in with no problems, but I'm sure Obama wants this to be an painful as possible" quotes.

Sure, there's no problem, BUT I STILL IMAGINE THAT THERE IS.
 
2013-10-16 01:17:57 PM  
Meanwhile VA personnel are being cut but dammit those tourist attractions are important!
 
2013-10-16 01:18:49 PM  
I still think the President should have held a press conference at the memorial as soon as the whining started. Give a passionate speech about how the shutdown impacts everyone and these veterans are denied access to something that honors their sacrifice.

Then look at the barricades and proclaim, "Mister Boehner, tear down this wall". They would absolutely lose it and the entire debate would shift into how disrespectful Obama is and the veterans would figure out that the GOP only wanted cheap political props.
 
2013-10-16 01:21:59 PM  

InmanRoshi: Why didn't the GOP storm the closed MLK monument across the street?


Because Soshulism?
 
2013-10-16 01:22:01 PM  
The GOP story of [right_wing_outrage] has one tiny flaw: it isn't actually true.

When is this not true? My derper uncle re-posted an infographic on Facebook this morning that claims we're in 3 wars. ??? I know he didn't put it together, and I'm not going to argue that gas is more expensive now than it was at the beginning of Bush the Lesser's first term, but come the fark on, man.

I normally don't say anything, but I actually asked him what the other two wars were. He has yet to respond.

So tired of the outright goddamn lies. Spin is one thing, but these are just raw lies being repeated often enough to "become" truth.
 
2013-10-16 01:22:03 PM  

Nemo's Brother: BiffDangler: If there are park service people working there then why even have the fence in the first place?

This. Just like how Obama was investigating the privacy issues of the government before the NSA leaks. What a coincidence. Do the Total Farkers that regurgitate these talking points actually believe them or are they just being good soldiers?


Or maybe the explanation is the one that's blatantly obvious to anyone who has worked anywhere that serves the public. You know, that they had a skeleton crew there to deal with bare minimum keep-sh*t-from-falling-apart maintenance, but not the staff to responsibly function while open to the general public.

But whatevs.
 
2013-10-16 01:34:42 PM  

timujin: But, but... I heard from a guy who knows someone who once worked with this dude with "connections" that there's a document in place that is a directive from the President himself to make life as difficult as humanly possible for the citizenry.


Was it by any chance your cousin's sisters best friend's brother?
 
2013-10-16 01:35:24 PM  

robbiex0r: Crotchrocket Slim: Coco LaFemme: Wellon Dowd: Who are the Republicans going to exploit in 20 years when all the WW2 vets are gone?

Vietnam vets.

It'll be fun to see how successful the GOP will be in spinning their cutting of vet benefits over the years as something the Democrats did.

Suddenly feeling much worse about the outlook for our Afghan/Iraq vets. :/


Suddenly? You should have just started out assuming we'd screw the pooch on caring for them, history proves this to be the far less disappointing and realistic attitude to have :(
 
2013-10-16 01:40:13 PM  
As a disabled vet, I would have much rather had them close down every vet memorial with chains, padlocks, and barbed wire, if we could have gotten a guarantee on benefits payments during shutdown/default.

I haven't heard of many vets bemoaning memorials being closed down.  Myself, and many other vets have had quite a few sleepless nights wondering if we were going to be able to pay rent next month.
 
2013-10-16 01:43:06 PM  
No Bogey sightings? Not surprising.
 
2013-10-16 01:43:24 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Wellon Dowd: Who are the Republicans going to exploit in 20 years when all the WW2 vets are gone?

Vietnam vets.


Oh, they're already exploiting Vietnam vets. And 'nam vets aren't exactly young. The youngest possible 'nam vet is about 56 years old today (The war ended 38 years ago, an 18-year old soldier then would be around 56 today), and based on the ones I know personally, a majority of them are a good ten years older than that. In 20 years a Vietnam veteran's average age will be around 86.

By then they'll be exploiting the Iraq I and II vets.
 
2013-10-16 01:44:43 PM  
NPR had a story about two weeks ago that an exception to the closure was for free speech us and that the vets were already classified as being a free speech activity.  But it made for some mighty fine outrage
 
2013-10-16 01:51:08 PM  
imagine that.  the corporate owned American 'news' got it all wrong.   shocking!
 
2013-10-16 01:52:32 PM  
cut more taxes for the rich!!   that'll fix it!
 
2013-10-16 01:55:45 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: InmanRoshi: metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...

Hurry along back into the echo chamber.  The real world is a scary place.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...

Account created: 2013-06-20 09:01:26

Oh isn't he just the most precious troll account?  His profile is adorable too.  Rarely I put someone straight on ignore.

Wait, I'm sorry.  I meant "different opinion account."


I'll say this:  I may say some dumb shiat sometimes, and said stuff that has gotten me ignored, and said stuff that I later regretted, but at least I did it with my one and only avatar on this forum.  Farking trolling alt chickenshiats.
 
2013-10-16 02:09:22 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: My derper uncle re-posted an infographic on Facebook this morning that claims we're in 3 wars. ??? I know he didn't put it together, and I'm not going to argue that gas is more expensive now than it was at the beginning of Bush the Lesser's first term, but come the fark on, man. I normally don't say anything, but I actually asked him what the other two wars were. He has yet to respond.


War on Terror.
War on Drugs.
Oops.
 
2013-10-16 02:09:56 PM  
If there's one thing the reign of Obammy Fartbanjoo has shown, it's  time we get the government's hands off our Medicare AND our National Parks.
 
2013-10-16 02:11:53 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Fuggin Bizzy: My derper uncle re-posted an infographic on Facebook this morning that claims we're in 3 wars. ??? I know he didn't put it together, and I'm not going to argue that gas is more expensive now than it was at the beginning of Bush the Lesser's first term, but come the fark on, man. I normally don't say anything, but I actually asked him what the other two wars were. He has yet to respond.

War on Terror.
War on Drugs.
Oops.


Well, in that case, we were in FOUR wars during the Bush years. Four is more than three, so that's worse.

Oops.
 
2013-10-16 02:18:09 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: The GOP story of [right_wing_outrage] has one tiny flaw: it isn't actually true.

When is this not true? My derper uncle re-posted an infographic on Facebook this morning that claims we're in 3 wars. ??? I know he didn't put it together, and I'm not going to argue that gas is more expensive now than it was at the beginning of Bush the Lesser's first term, but come the fark on, man.

I normally don't say anything, but I actually asked him what the other two wars were. He has yet to respond.

So tired of the outright goddamn lies. Spin is one thing, but these are just raw lies being repeated often enough to "become" truth.


I'm going to hazard a guess that 'War on Christmas' will be one of the responses.
 
2013-10-16 02:21:53 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...

Account created: 2013-06-20 09:01:26


Dude does that actually mean something? Hell, I created my account just a couple years ago don't know exactly when I'm sure you'll find out, but I've been reading the site since about 2002. Never understood why people think posting on someone created their account some great riff, anyway of my two cents.
 
2013-10-16 02:24:09 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Republicans are disingenuous lying traitors.


But Corporations are people, my friend.
 
2013-10-16 02:24:23 PM  

time is tight: Dude does that actually mean something?


Recently-created accounts are much more likely to be disposable troll/alt accounts.
 
2013-10-16 02:27:45 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: time is tight: Dude does that actually mean something?

Recently-created accounts are much more likely to be disposable troll/alt accounts.


That's just sad of people take all the time to do that just for a troll account Jesus, by the way sorry about the typos in my previous post using the iPhone's voice to text function
 
2013-10-16 02:30:15 PM  

time is tight: Dude does that actually mean something? Hell, I created my account just a couple years ago don't know exactly when I'm sure you'll find out, but I've been reading the site since about 2002. Never understood why people think posting on someone created their account some great riff, anyway of my two cents.


Recently created accounts with near nothing in their profiles and no submissions making highly inflammatory or blatantly trolling are generally suspected to be temp. troll accounts of regular posters.
 
2013-10-16 02:34:16 PM  

Gway: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Republicans are disingenuous lying traitors.

But Corporations are people, my friend.


The Lord High Hairgel, Mittensforth the Third, Earl of Romney, is a horribly programmed mandroid.
 
2013-10-16 02:39:12 PM  
 
2013-10-16 03:04:28 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Gway: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Republicans are disingenuous lying traitors.

But Corporations are people, my friend.

The Lord High Hairgel, Mittensforth the Third, Earl of Romney, is a horribly programmed mandroid.


Meh- He is a rich feck. Tax his britches off. It is the time tested way for trickle down to actually work.
 
2013-10-16 03:36:24 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: time is tight: Dude does that actually mean something? Hell, I created my account just a couple years ago don't know exactly when I'm sure you'll find out, but I've been reading the site since about 2002. Never understood why people think posting on someone created their account some great riff, anyway of my two cents.

Recently created accounts with near nothing in their profiles and no submissions making highly inflammatory or blatantly trolling are generally suspected to be temp. troll accounts of regular posters.


^ there ya go. A couple years in, so you should be fine. As long as you're not just blatantly lying to us.
 
2013-10-16 03:37:22 PM  

time is tight: LouDobbsAwaaaay: metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...

Account created: 2013-06-20 09:01:26

Dude does that actually mean something? Hell, I created my account just a couple years ago don't know exactly when I'm sure you'll find out, but I've been reading the site since about 2002. Never understood why people think posting on someone created their account some great riff, anyway of my two cents.


Account created: 2011-11-06 12:22:18

that'll lern ya.
yea i went there, posted your account created date and everything.
 
2013-10-16 03:39:26 PM  
I watched some of the House hearing this morning.  It was disgraceful.  The head of the Park Service was getting raked over the coals for doing his job and working within the confines of his authority.  Some of the exchanges:

"Are you going to reimburse the states that lent the parks money to reopen once the government is funded"
"That's up to Congress.  I am not allowed to disburse those funds without approval"
"Well you should take responsibility for it."

"Why did you try to close Mt Vernon?"
"We didn't.  We closed a parking lot"
"Same thing.  People can't park, they can't visit the site"
"There's more than one parking lot"

"Do you believe our rights are guaranteed by the Creator or by the Constitution?"
"All of the above."
"Wrong!  The Constitution only limits the power of government!"

The Republicans were flat-out wrong on how they thought things worked or what actually even happened.  Issa was literally shouting at the guy and not even letting him finish his responses.  It reminded me of the Klingon courtroom scene in Undiscovered Country
 
2013-10-16 03:41:00 PM  

Hyjamon: time is tight: LouDobbsAwaaaay: metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...

Account created: 2013-06-20 09:01:26

Dude does that actually mean something? Hell, I created my account just a couple years ago don't know exactly when I'm sure you'll find out, but I've been reading the site since about 2002. Never understood why people think posting on someone created their account some great riff, anyway of my two cents.

Account created: 2011-11-06 12:22:18

that'll lern ya.
yea i went there, posted your account created date and everything.


Ye gods, How bored are you?
 
2013-10-16 03:43:24 PM  
Too late. The "history" has already been made. Our "liberal" media happily passing off fiction as fact.

Won't matter how often you cite facts now: The "truth" has been decided...
 
2013-10-16 03:54:57 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...

Account created: 2013-06-20 09:01:26


Proof Obama has a magical time machine because metatronarchetype used it to create this account 4 days from now.
 
2013-10-16 03:57:17 PM  

Savage Belief: LouDobbsAwaaaay: metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...

Account created: 2013-06-20 09:01:26

Proof Obama has a magical time machine because metatronarchetype used it to create this account 4 days from now.


Yeah, don't mind me. Too many shots from watching MSNBC.
 
2013-10-16 04:09:07 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: metatronarchetype: Oh, well, if the Politico says it isn't true, it must not be true!  Because the Politico is so unbiased and all...

Account created: 2013-06-20 09:01:26


*Plonk*
 
2013-10-16 04:14:59 PM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: As a disabled vet, I would have much rather had them close down every vet memorial with chains, padlocks, and barbed wire, if we could have gotten a guarantee on benefits payments during shutdown/default.

I haven't heard of many vets bemoaning memorials being closed down.  Myself, and many other vets have had quite a few sleepless nights wondering if we were going to be able to pay rent next month.


Most of my vet/students are scared to death that their benefits won't come in. It really sucks, these guys are some of the hardest working motherfarkers I've seen and they don't deserve to get shanghaied by shiatbags like Palin, Cruz and Boner.
 
2013-10-16 04:18:51 PM  

NeoCortex42: I watched some of the House hearing this morning.  It was disgraceful.  The head of the Park Service was getting raked over the coals for doing his job and working within the confines of his authority.  Some of the exchanges:

"Are you going to reimburse the states that lent the parks money to reopen once the government is funded"
"That's up to Congress.  I am not allowed to disburse those funds without approval"
"Well you should take responsibility for it."

"Why did you try to close Mt Vernon?"
"We didn't.  We closed a parking lot"
"Same thing.  People can't park, they can't visit the site"
"There's more than one parking lot"

"Do you believe our rights are guaranteed by the Creator or by the Constitution?"
"All of the above."
"Wrong!  The Constitution only limits the power of government!"

The Republicans were flat-out wrong on how they thought things worked or what actually even happened.  Issa was literally shouting at the guy and not even letting him finish his responses.  It reminded me of the Klingon courtroom scene in Undiscovered Country


My wife was called by the NPS manager at the park she works at. She was supposed to get one last shift in but the Tea-farks prevented that. She cried. The NPS was her dream and because this shiat she couldn't even say goodbye to a career path she adored.

So, fark all of these assholes.
 
2013-10-16 04:33:03 PM  

Chummer45: You mean to tell me that it was all staged political theater by the party who was responsible for closing the memorial in the first place?

Are you also trying to tell me that the people who actually believed the "OMG Obama closed it because he hates veterans and wanted to make republicans look bad" narrative are complete idiots?

You don't say.


The memorial was closed by the Park Service, which, last anyone knew, is part of the Executive Branch, which is controlled by you-know-who.
 
2013-10-16 04:34:11 PM  

jjorsett: Chummer45: You mean to tell me that it was all staged political theater by the party who was responsible for closing the memorial in the first place?

Are you also trying to tell me that the people who actually believed the "OMG Obama closed it because he hates veterans and wanted to make republicans look bad" narrative are complete idiots?

You don't say.

The memorial was closed by the Park Service, which, last anyone knew, is part of the Executive Branch, which is controlled by you-know-who.


The purse strings of Congress?
 
2013-10-16 04:35:36 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: time is tight: Dude does that actually mean something?

Recently-created accounts are much more likely to be disposable troll/alt accounts.


Like mine. I get accused of trolling all the time because of it. At least, I assume that's why.
 
2013-10-16 04:39:07 PM  
"We think it's atrocious that our military is being used as political pawns in a political game."

trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com
 
2013-10-16 04:50:00 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: The GOP story of [right_wing_outrage] has one tiny flaw: it isn't actually true.

When is this not true? My derper uncle re-posted an infographic on Facebook this morning that claims we're in 3 wars. ??? I know he didn't put it together, and I'm not going to argue that gas is more expensive now than it was at the beginning of Bush the Lesser's first term, but come the fark on, man.

I normally don't say anything, but I actually asked him what the other two wars were. He has yet to respond.

So tired of the outright goddamn lies. Spin is one thing, but these are just raw lies being repeated often enough to "become" truth.


I bet you forgot to count the War on Christmas.
 
2013-10-16 05:09:48 PM  

NeoCortex42: "Do you believe our rights are guaranteed by the Creator or by the Constitution?"
"All of the above."
"Wrong! The Constitution only limits the power of government!"


So Issa thinks he's wrong in what he believes in...?

jjorsett: Like mine. I get accused of trolling all the time because of it. At least, I assume that's why.


It's more because you act like a douche most of the time.
 
2013-10-16 05:14:02 PM  

peter21: I'm going to hazard a guess that 'War on Christmas' will be one of the responses.


BMulligan: I bet you forgot to count the War on Christmas.


He finally responded. One was BENGHAZI!!1! and the other was Syria. Plus various drone strikes in Yemen and whatnot. See, apparently "war" doesn't have to mean "boots on the ground." Also, war's only bad when your guy is out of power.

Yes, really. What? Stop laughing. Stop it!
 
2013-10-16 05:23:12 PM  

Gravity Works: timujin: But, but... I heard from a guy who knows someone who once worked with this dude with "connections" that there's a document in place that is a directive from the President himself to make life as difficult as humanly possible for the citizenry.

Was it by any chance your cousin's sisters best friend's brother?


Do you know him, too???
 
2013-10-16 05:23:32 PM  

jjorsett: Chummer45: You mean to tell me that it was all staged political theater by the party who was responsible for closing the memorial in the first place?

Are you also trying to tell me that the people who actually believed the "OMG Obama closed it because he hates veterans and wanted to make republicans look bad" narrative are complete idiots?

You don't say.

The memorial was closed by the Park Service, which, last anyone knew, is part of the Executive Branch, which is controlled by you-know-who.


It's almost like national parks and monuments aren't essential functions of government, and there was some kind of government shut down.
 
2013-10-16 05:58:39 PM  

LordJiro: It's almost like national parks and monuments aren't essential functions of government, and there was some kind of government shut down.


No appropriations are needed to keep open an unstaffed public space (park police were funded during the interim so you can't use the 'guards were needed' argument).  So why close it? Why close parking lots?
 
2013-10-16 06:07:55 PM  
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2730157944001/

Can't argue with this video. Seems pretty locked up.
 
2013-10-16 08:03:37 PM  
Isn't it a little soon to be rewriting history ? Yes the WWII memorial was closed to everyone with no exceptions .
 
2013-10-16 08:19:51 PM  
Obvious tag obviously furloughed.
Obviously.
 
2013-10-16 08:52:34 PM  
When you really think about it, it was conservative, or proto-conservatives, who first tried to destroy America in the Civil War. Many of today's conservatives are likewise calling for America's destruction.

Is it even possible to be both a conservative, and a patriot?

Serious question.
 
2013-10-16 11:22:29 PM  

Grungehamster: timujin: But, but... I heard from a guy who knows someone who once worked with this dude with "connections" that there's a document in place that is a directive from the President himself to make life as difficult as humanly possible for the citizenry.

I really love this argument: Obama is required to shut off all non-mandatory or non-emergency spending, but the fact that public entertainment locations aren't considered mandatory and emergency in his mind is proof he's just putting the screws to your average American. I mean, I can understand if they were pointing to SNAP cuts as evidence of Obama "punishing" people for the shutdown, but somehow that isn't a problem since the people making these claims believe food stamps are a scam used by moochers and not Real Americans (who all regularly plan vacations to national parks in October, I'm sure.)


Actually, I don't even think Obama has the ability to shut down anything. If I am not mistaken, that is all controlled by Congress.
 
2013-10-16 11:36:08 PM  
Wait...so it was all a carefully choreographed PR stunt?
Are you saying it wasn't just random chance that a bunch of Republican Congressmen were standing around when a bus load of WWII vets showed up?
Unbelievable.

I can't decide it it annoys me more that the House did this on purpose, intending to use this as a PR moment; Or that they though the American people were so stupid that it would work; Or that it did work, and they were right.
 
2013-10-17 12:25:49 AM  
We've always been at war with eastasia
 
2013-10-17 04:02:23 AM  

Zeppelininthesky: Grungehamster: timujin: But, but... I heard from a guy who knows someone who once worked with this dude with "connections" that there's a document in place that is a directive from the President himself to make life as difficult as humanly possible for the citizenry.

I really love this argument: Obama is required to shut off all non-mandatory or non-emergency spending, but the fact that public entertainment locations aren't considered mandatory and emergency in his mind is proof he's just putting the screws to your average American. I mean, I can understand if they were pointing to SNAP cuts as evidence of Obama "punishing" people for the shutdown, but somehow that isn't a problem since the people making these claims believe food stamps are a scam used by moochers and not Real Americans (who all regularly plan vacations to national parks in October, I'm sure.)

Actually, I don't even think Obama has the ability to shut down anything. If I am not mistaken, that is all controlled by Congress.


and the retort to that, and I know because I've heard it, is "oh, sure, not directly, but he tells the people in congress/BLM/NPS what he wants done and they do it"
 
2013-10-17 08:57:43 PM  
Given that they did not tell the public about these instructions, in effect it was still closed unless the park service has some kind of secret communication with WWII vets.


/"barry-cade" is off course still a deeply racist term.
 
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