The Homer Tax: I swear to go I thought that said "Potato Review"
DemonEater: You're trying facts again. You should know that approach doesn't work. It hasn't for 4 years. Or the 8 before that.There was a link over on the geek tab yesterday explaining why, in fact. Republicans who believe something erroneous increase the strength of that belief when you show them a fact which contradicts it.
sprag: Proof doesn't work on those morons. Facts are useless. Its all about what you know in your heart! Fox News/Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck tell them.
MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well, of course it is/but they didn't expect anyone to actually fall for it//even the first time
sprag: Proof doesn't work on those morons. Facts are useless. Its all about what you know in your heart!
TheNewJesus: These Tea Bagger freaks think Obama is an African born Muslim, deny science, worship the Dixie flag and racism in general, and believe and cite any conservative blog they can get their hands on. Do you think something like "evidence" is going to sway them in any way shape or form? They are never going to look at that video, that site, or this thread. They are too busy listening to bullshiat and prepping their apocalypse bunkers.Are you in the Tea Party? DIAF.
Yakk: Fool! The Tea Party's greatest strength is its immunity to facts and reality.
Karac: Here I was hoping the first half of Blastoh's comment complete with links had gone viral enough to be plagiarized.
• Republicans (specifically, Dr. Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., Distinguished Fellow and then-Director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Public Policy Innovation, in a paper published on January 2, 1989 [when Ronald Reagan still had three weeks left in his Presidency, George Herbert Walker Bush was the President-Elect, and few Americans outside of Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton, let alone Hillary, yet, so his more recent attempts to claim that he did this in response to "HillaryCare" don't even mesh with basic chronology! Note also that that's when it was published, meaning it had to have been written before that, and thought up before that!]) created a national healthcare plan complete with an Individual Mandate. It was entitled "A National Health System for America."• About ¾ of a year later, on October 2 of the same year, the day after George Herbert Walker Bush had just started his first Fiscal Year in office, it was re-published in expanded form as a full-fledged book entitled Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans.Here's the cover image:(Right-click to view larger image.)• They pushed for this plan over the course of two decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008 (the Healthy Americans Act, aka the Wyden-Bennett bill).•Then when the Democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that point only) decided that the plan was unconstitutional and posed a grave threat to the nation. They sued in the supreme court but lost• They ran a presidential candidate who opposed the Affordable Care Act even though he had passed a nearly identical law in the State of Massachusetts that was itself based on the Heritage Foundation Butler plan. When pressed on this, his excuse was that "RomneyCare" was only intended to work at the State level, not the federal level. Yeah. That's why Butler's paper was entitled "A National Health System for America.0 and the book version was Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans, right, Governor Romney? Oh, and remember what Romney said in a debate? And on Fox News? Or on NBC's Meet the Press re: the aforementioned Wyden-Bennett Healthy Americans Act (full transcript here)?• Obama was re-elected with the Affordable Care Act being a centerpiece of the election.• Republicans opposed the ACA because it has elements that violated their Christian Faith.• While a Harvard study concluded that as many as 45,000 Americans die each year due to lack of health care coverage.• Which is something some republicans have openly admitted to finding acceptable. (see video here)(As an aside: maybe they should read Matthew 25:31−46, in which Jesus Christ Himself describes the final "Great White Throne" Judgment and lays out in no uncertain terms the precise criterion determining just who will wind up among the Saved Sheep on His Right Hand, and who among the Damned Goats on His Left Hand. Oh, and He devoted more words to condemning the specific sin of hypocrisy than He did any other sin!)Deciding that the Affordable Care Act was a serious threat to the nation, the GOP engineered a strategy of threatening a Government Shutdown to protest the Affordable Care Act. To pull this off:• The Republicans strategized how to engineer the shutdown, and how to handle the spin.• 80 members of congress signed a letter to force the shutdown.• They said a shutdown would not be a bad thing.• They celebrated when it happened.• The House Republicans changed a long standing House Rule at the last minute to ensure the shutdown would stay in effect.• When challenged about this, the republicans would not address the issue.All the while:• They accused the Democrats and Obama of not negotiating, even though the democrats tried repeatedly to negotiate (19 times as of October 7).• Which should not have been necessary since Harry Reid and John Boehner had a deal, that Boehner backed out of.• And despite all of this, The Radical wing of the GOP will still blame Obama for the Shutdown.Meanwhile:• In 2001, the then-new GOP President and GOP Congress inherited a projected budget surplus and a projected elimination of the entire debt within 10 years.• The GOP then passed a tax cut, waged an expensive war, and repeatedly voted to raise the debt ceiling with no demands on spending cuts (in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, and 2007).Then, when a Democrat was in the White House:• The GOP decided it was worth risking a default to place demands on spending cuts.• Some Republicans are even calling for a default, forgetting that we did default, for just one day, in 1979, and it cost us billions.• And ignoring what economists are saying would likely happen if we default.
Here's the cover image:(Right-click to view larger image.)
Giltric: So the democrats are against it right?Years of their rhetoric has taught me that every republican idea is a bad idea.So who is in favor of getting rid of their bad idea?/crickets//hypocrites
Chummer45: I don't get why this isn't repeated over and over again by basically everyone.
COMALite J: Republicans, specifically, Dr. Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., Distinguished Fellow and then-Director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Public Policy Innovation, in a paper published on January 2, in 1989 [when Ronald Reagan still had three weeks left in his Presidency, and George Herbert Walker Bush was the President-Elect, and few Americans outside of Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton, let alone Hillary,
Uzzah: I still can't figure out why the Heritage Foundation isn't crowing about the fact that a Democratic president adopted their health care plan as his legacy policy initiative. I hate to say that "but he's black" is the sole reason why they're keeping a low profile on it , but I can't come up with any other good explanation.
Irving Maimway: COMALite J: Karac: Here I was hoping the first half of Blastoh's comment complete with links had gone viral enough to be plagiarized.Ditto.I have.this PDF downloaded and I keep offering to send it to people along with statements from Bob Dole who used it as the basis for a bill he put forward in 1993.But yes, facts bounce off these people. They're nihilists.
Target Builder: COMALite J: Republicans, specifically, Dr. Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., Distinguished Fellow and then-Director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Public Policy Innovation, in a paper published on January 2, in 1989 [when Ronald Reagan still had three weeks left in his Presidency, and George Herbert Walker Bush was the President-Elect, and few Americans outside of Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton, let alone Hillary,The summary is excellent and I've passed the previous blasto link on to quite a few people, all of whom have passed it on to others. But this paragraph in the new version seems way too long, too focused on titles and formal names and titles. It needs to be quicker to the point and easier to follow. You don't want to throw people off with too much detail in the first paragraph, particularly when the rest of the content is much easier to read.
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