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(Pensito Review)   "For tea partyists who still don't believe Obamacare is a Republican invention, here is ultimate proof"   (pensitoreview.com) divider line 59
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2013-10-16 10:19:56 AM  
excuse me miss but before you look at that teabag have a gander at my penisto
 
2013-10-16 10:20:54 AM  
I swear to go I thought that said "Potato Review"
 
2013-10-16 10:21:14 AM  
Proof doesn't work on those morons.  Facts are useless.  Its all about what you know in your heart!
 
2013-10-16 10:21:31 AM  
Fool! The Tea Party's greatest strength is its immunity to facts and reality.
 
2013-10-16 10:21:37 AM  
The Republicans invented it and then forgot to vote for it.
 
2013-10-16 10:22:23 AM  
Not republican, subby. RINO. No true conservative has ever supported SekritMuslimKenyaKare
 
2013-10-16 10:23:40 AM  
Well, of course it is

/but they didn't expect anyone to actually fall for it
//even the first time
 
2013-10-16 10:23:42 AM  
Quit troubling me with your fact-based reality.  I'm a decider.
 
2013-10-16 10:24:08 AM  
You're trying facts again.  You should know that approach doesn't work.  It hasn't for 4 years.  Or the 8 before that.

There was a link over on the geek tab yesterday explaining why, in fact.  Republicans who believe something erroneous increase the strength of that belief when you show them a fact which contradicts it.
 
2013-10-16 10:26:05 AM  
These Tea Bagger freaks think Obama is an African born Muslim, deny science, worship the Dixie flag and racism in general, and believe and cite any conservative blog they can get their hands on. Do you think something like "evidence" is going to sway them in any way shape or form? They are never going to look at that video, that site, or this thread. They are too busy listening to bullshiat and prepping their apocalypse bunkers.

Are you in the Tea Party? DIAF.
 
2013-10-16 10:27:41 AM  
Here I was hoping the first half of Blastoh's comment complete with links had gone viral enough to be plagiarized.
 
2013-10-16 10:28:22 AM  

The Homer Tax: I swear to go I thought that said "Potato Review"


I read it as "Penisto Review"
 
2013-10-16 10:28:35 AM  
Our friends over on the Geek tab would like to share something with you:  http://www.fark.com/comments/7975868/Science-finally-explains-Politic s -tab
 
2013-10-16 10:28:40 AM  
I still can't figure out why the Heritage Foundation isn't crowing about the fact that a Democratic president adopted their health care plan as his legacy policy initiative. I hate to say that "but he's black" is the sole reason why they're keeping a low profile on it , but I can't come up with any other good explanation.
 
2013-10-16 10:29:40 AM  

DemonEater: You're trying facts again.  You should know that approach doesn't work.  It hasn't for 4 years.  Or the 8 before that.

There was a link over on the geek tab yesterday explaining why, in fact.  Republicans who believe something erroneous increase the strength of that belief when you show them a fact which contradicts it.


This.

You can't fix Derp.
 
2013-10-16 10:30:05 AM  

sprag: Proof doesn't work on those morons.  Facts are useless.  Its all about what you know in your heart! Fox News/Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck tell them.


FTFY.

/It's amazing how quickly a talking point spreads. I'll see a new argument from these people one place and within a few hours it finds its way to 15 or 20 online forums and within a day my redneck neighbors are repeating it to me about it like they came up with it themselves. It's like a a derp plague.
 
2013-10-16 10:30:50 AM  
GOP response: "LALALA...I can't HEEEAAR you!"
 
2013-10-16 10:31:38 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well, of course it is

/but they didn't expect anyone to actually fall for it
//even the first time


Newt basically said as much during the 2012 campaign. Someone asked him why he opposed Obamacare when it was so similar to the proposal he put forward when he was speaker. His response was basically that they never intended it to actually pass, they just needed to look like they had a viable alternative to Hillarycare so they could turn people against it. I was shocked at the blunt honesty and expected to see that clip replayed on the news for a cycle or two, particularly as healthcare was a major part of the election...
 
2013-10-16 10:31:58 AM  

sprag: Proof doesn't work on those morons.  Facts are useless.  Its all about what you know in your heart!


Cholesterol?
 
2013-10-16 10:32:09 AM  
The healthcare reforms which drew upon the power of free market forces as originally proposed by Mitt Romney and the Heritage Foundation would have worked.

Unfortunately, 0bamacare has been corrupted by the "dark" side of socialism and no more resembles Romneycare than Darth Vader resembles little Anakin Skywalker as depicted in the fourth (which is actually the first) Star Trek movie.  It's more Marxist than market now, twisted and evil.

Checkmate, libulardos.  May the invisible hand of the Force make you live long and prosper.
 
2013-10-16 10:32:45 AM  

DemonEater: You're trying facts again.  You should know that approach doesn't work.  It hasn't for 4 years.  Or the 8 before that.

There was a link over on the geek tab yesterday explaining why, in fact.  Republicans who believe something erroneous increase the strength of that belief when you show them a fact which contradicts it.


Reality is a devil's trick to seduce the weak-minded into false knowledge. Only a true believer has the strength of character and faith to know the true world created by a divine God.
 
2013-10-16 10:32:59 AM  
Proof is for weaklings that live in the reality-based community.
 
2013-10-16 10:33:24 AM  
Evidence? You seek to change my mind with mere evidence? Reality distortion field, activate!
 
2013-10-16 10:33:50 AM  
Sorry, I can't consider anything that comes out of Massachusetts conservative.  Nothing from Massachusetts meshes with the Tea Party except of course the actual Tea Party which isn't really a Massachusetts thing even though it happened in Massachusetts.
 
2013-10-16 10:34:19 AM  

TheNewJesus: These Tea Bagger freaks think Obama is an African born Muslim, deny science, worship the Dixie flag and racism in general, and believe and cite any conservative blog they can get their hands on. Do you think something like "evidence" is going to sway them in any way shape or form? They are never going to look at that video, that site, or this thread. They are too busy listening to bullshiat and prepping their apocalypse bunkers.

Are you in the Tea Party? DIAF.


Jesus is back and this time it's no more Mr. Nice Guy.
 
2013-10-16 10:34:24 AM  

Yakk: Fool! The Tea Party's greatest strength is its immunity to facts and reality.


Combined with poor reading and math skills and you have an uncontrolled beast on your hands. Just ask Boehner.
 
2013-10-16 10:34:24 AM  
this whole time I thought his name was Mitch
 
2013-10-16 10:34:42 AM  
It certainly explains why the health care law is a f*cking mess.

/still better than nothing
 
2013-10-16 10:37:00 AM  
So the democrats are against it right?

Years of their rhetoric has taught me that every republican idea is a bad idea.


So who is in favor of getting rid of their bad idea?

/crickets
//hypocrites
 
2013-10-16 10:37:37 AM  

Karac: Here I was hoping the first half of Blastoh's comment complete with links had gone viral enough to be plagiarized.


Same here.
 
2013-10-16 10:38:38 AM  
It doesn't matter. People are idiots.
 
2013-10-16 10:39:08 AM  
"For FARKERS who still believe that the headline submission process is not a sham and completely devoid of creativity, here is ultimate proof"
 
2013-10-16 10:39:42 AM  

DemonEater: You're trying facts again.  You should know that approach doesn't work.  It hasn't for 4 years.  Or the 8 before that.

There was a link over on the geek tab yesterday explaining why, in fact.  Republicans who believe something erroneous increase the strength of that belief when you show them a fact which contradicts it.


Know who else thought that if you told a big enough lie, people would believe it to be true?
 
2013-10-16 10:41:08 AM  
I don't get why this isn't repeated over and over again by basically everyone.  The tea party has repeatedly demonstrated that its governing philosophy is pure contrarianism, with a generous helping of phony libertarianism seasoned by a heavy sprinkling of racism.

But, reading the dumb reporting on this even dumber "crisis," you'd think that the GOP and conservatives always opposed the ACA.  In reality, the main reason they oppose it is for the simple reason that they can't give something commonly referred to as "Obamacare" any chance to succeed.
 
2013-10-16 10:41:57 AM  

Karac: Here I was hoping the first half of Blastoh's comment complete with links had gone viral enough to be plagiarized.


Ditto.

Here's blastoh's treatise expanded and formatted more compactly. Those with Firefox can drag-select the indented portion of this post, then right-click and do "View selection source" and [Ctrl]+[C]opy the text that's selected in the resulting new HTML source window:
• Republicans (specifically, Dr. Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., Distinguished Fellow and then-Director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Public Policy Innovation, in a paper published on January 2, 1989 [when Ronald Reagan still had three weeks left in his Presidency, George Herbert Walker Bush was the President-Elect, and few Americans outside of Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton, let alone Hillary, yet, so his more recent attempts to claim that he did this in response to "HillaryCare" don't even mesh with basic chronology! Note also that that's when it was published, meaning it had to have been written before that, and thought up before that!]) created a national healthcare plan complete with an Individual Mandate. It was entitled "A National Health System for America."

• About ¾ of a year later, on October 2 of the same year, the day after George Herbert Walker Bush had just started his first Fiscal Year in office, it was re-published in expanded form as a full-fledged book entitled Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans.
Here's the cover image:
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(Right-click to view larger image.)

• They pushed for this plan over the course of two decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008 (the Healthy Americans Act, aka the Wyden-Bennett bill).

•Then when the Democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that point only) decided that the plan was unconstitutional and posed a grave threat to the nation. They sued in the supreme court but lost

• They ran a presidential candidate who opposed the Affordable Care Act even though he had passed a nearly identical law in the State of Massachusetts that was itself based on the Heritage Foundation Butler plan. When pressed on this, his excuse was that "RomneyCare" was only intended to work at the State level, not the federal level. Yeah. That's why Butler's paper was entitled "A National Health System for America.0 and the book version was Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans, right, Governor Romney? Oh, and remember what Romney said in a debate? And on Fox News? Or on NBC's Meet the Press re: the aforementioned Wyden-Bennett Healthy Americans Act (full transcript here)?

• Obama was re-elected with the Affordable Care Act being a centerpiece of the election.

Republicans opposed the ACA because it has elements that violated their Christian Faith.

While a Harvard study concluded that as many as 45,000 Americans die each year due to lack of health care coverage.

Which is something some republicans have openly admitted to finding acceptable. (see video here)

(As an aside: maybe they should read Matthew 25:31−46, in which Jesus Christ Himself describes the final "Great White Throne" Judgment and lays out in no uncertain terms the precise criterion determining just who will wind up among the Saved Sheep on His Right Hand, and who among the Damned Goats on His Left Hand. Oh, and He devoted more words to condemning the specific sin of hypocrisy than He did any other sin!)

Deciding that the Affordable Care Act was a serious threat to the nation, the GOP engineered a strategy of threatening a Government Shutdown to protest the Affordable Care Act. To pull this off:

The Republicans strategized how to engineer the shutdown, and how to handle the spin.
80 members of congress signed a letter to force the shutdown.
They said a shutdown would not be a bad thing.
They celebrated when it happened.
The House Republicans changed a long standing House Rule at the last minute to ensure the shutdown would stay in effect.
When challenged about this, the republicans would not address the issue.

All the while:
They accused the Democrats and Obama of not negotiating, even though the democrats tried repeatedly to negotiate (19 times as of October 7).
Which should not have been necessary since Harry Reid and John Boehner had a deal, that Boehner backed out of.
• And despite all of this, The Radical wing of the GOP will still blame Obama for the Shutdown.

Meanwhile:
• In 2001, the then-new GOP President and GOP Congress inherited a projected budget surplus and a projected elimination of the entire debt within 10 years.
The GOP then passed a tax cut, waged an expensive war, and repeatedly voted to raise the debt ceiling with no demands on spending cuts (in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, and 2007).

Then, when a Democrat was in the White House:
The GOP decided it was worth risking a default to place demands on spending cuts.
Some Republicans are even calling for a default, forgetting that we did default, for just one day, in 1979, and it cost us billions.
And ignoring what economists are saying would likely happen if we default.
Get this out there any way you can, folks!
 
2013-10-16 10:42:52 AM  
Sorry.

Glenn Beck could tell them this.

Rush could tell them this.

Every single right wing pundit could tell them this.

They.  Won't. Believe You.
 
2013-10-16 10:44:21 AM  
Giltric: So the democrats are against it right?

Years of their rhetoric has taught me that every republican idea is a bad idea.


So who is in favor of getting rid of their bad idea?

/crickets
//hypocrites


I got nothin.

FTFY.

Take your strawman and gtfo.
 
2013-10-16 10:46:03 AM  

Giltric: So the democrats are against it right?

Years of their rhetoric has taught me that every republican idea is a bad idea.


So who is in favor of getting rid of their bad idea?

/crickets
//hypocrites


*raises hand*

I've never shied away from explaining that the PPACA is needlessly complicated, doesn't cover enough people and isn't likely to really control costs.

I've always wanted either single-payer like Canada or government healthcare like the NHS. The PPACA's only virtue is that it's better than what existed before.
 
2013-10-16 10:46:53 AM  
I've shown all of these exact quotes and clips to Teahadists and their minds just shut down.  They don't acknowledge these things as facts.
 
2013-10-16 10:47:04 AM  

Chummer45: I don't get why this isn't repeated over and over again by basically everyone.


reporting the facts can appear like bias and that isn't cool.
 
2013-10-16 10:47:05 AM  

Giltric: So the democrats are against it right?

Years of their rhetoric has taught me that every republican idea is a bad idea.


So who is in favor of getting rid of their bad idea?

/crickets
//hypocrites


A good number of liberals (and Democrats) would be more than happy to scrap the ACA in favor of a single payer system..
 
2013-10-16 10:51:21 AM  

Giltric: So the democrats are against it right?

Years of their rhetoric has taught me that every republican idea is a bad idea.


So who is in favor of getting rid of their bad idea?

/crickets
//hypocrites


Dems see it as a stepping stone toward single payer or, at a minimum, a major improvement over the status quo.  The ACA is a classic example of moderate, compromise legislation.  Here, the compromise was between moderate to conservative democrats, and liberal democrats.

Yeah, Republicans opposed it, but it really didn't have anything to do with the merits of the ACA.  Republicans opposed the ACA at the time (and continue to oppose it), because the GOP has repeatedly demonstrated since 2008 that it isn't interested in policymaking - its single goal is to try to make Obama look bad and not hand any "victories" to the Democrats.  They refused to vote for the ACA primarily because they didn't want to give Obama the ability to say that he got the ACA passed with broad bipartisan support.  Holding the republicans together against the ACA (despite the fact that it is a fundamentally conservative approach to healthcare) allowed the GOP to use the ACA as a political football and as a launching pad for attacks on Democrats, which it has repeatedly done ever since.  I mean, think about it - has anyone in the GOP made any serious proposal for a law to replace the ACA?  They can't, because the ACA was originally the Heritage Foundation's conservative solution to avoid single payer healthcare (after all, we wouldn't want the insurance companies to miss out on profits).

If you're saying to yourself, "no, a political party would never act that childish and irresponsibly."  Well, take a look at what's happening right now with the GOP and tell me I'm wrong.
 
2013-10-16 10:51:24 AM  

COMALite J: Republicans, specifically, Dr. Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., Distinguished Fellow and then-Director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Public Policy Innovation, in a paper published on January 2, in 1989 [when Ronald Reagan still had three weeks left in his Presidency, and George Herbert Walker Bush was the President-Elect, and few Americans outside of Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton, let alone Hillary,


The summary is excellent and I've passed the previous blasto link on to quite a few people, all of whom have passed it on to others. But this paragraph in the new version seems way too long, too focused on titles and formal names and titles. It needs to be quicker to the point and easier to follow. You don't want to throw people off with too much detail in the first paragraph, particularly when the rest of the content is much easier to read.
 
2013-10-16 10:58:46 AM  
The way is works is:

The Republican stands up . . . and says "I've got a really bad idea"

and the Democrat stands up and says "and I can make it shiatier"

static.tvgcdn.net

Seer.
 
2013-10-16 10:59:49 AM  

Giltric: So the democrats are against it right?

Years of their rhetoric has taught me that every republican idea is a bad idea.


So who is in favor of getting rid of their bad idea?

/crickets
//hypocrites


*raises hand*

It accomplishes its goal but it's incredibly messy and ended up being a gimme to the insurance companies (which happens every time the GOP gets involved in health care - see Medicare Part D).

Ultimately I'm hoping ACA becomes a gateway to single-payer (that process will make the GOP's reaction to Obamacare look positively civil).
 
2013-10-16 10:59:54 AM  

Uzzah: I still can't figure out why the Heritage Foundation isn't crowing about the fact that a Democratic president adopted their health care plan as his legacy policy initiative. I hate to say that "but he's black" is the sole reason why they're keeping a low profile on it , but I can't come up with any other good explanation.


That's because "but he's black" IS the sole reason why they are keeping a low profile on it. It's also the reason why the GOP voted against it in the first place.

Elephant, living room, et cetera.
 
2013-10-16 11:10:02 AM  
COMALite J: Karac: Here I was hoping the first half of Blastoh's comment complete with links had gone viral enough to be plagiarized.

Ditto.

I have.this PDF downloaded and I keep offering to send it to people along with statements from Bob Dole who used it as the basis for a bill he put forward in 1993.

But yes, facts bounce off these people. They're nihilists.
 
2013-10-16 11:20:28 AM  

Irving Maimway: COMALite J: Karac: Here I was hoping the first half of Blastoh's comment complete with links had gone viral enough to be plagiarized.

Ditto.

I have.this PDF downloaded and I keep offering to send it to people along with statements from Bob Dole who used it as the basis for a bill he put forward in 1993.

But yes, facts bounce off these people. They're nihilists.



Seriously - right now the tea partiers/GOP (they have become indistinguishable) are insisting that the ACA must be repealed.  Why?  Because it makes a lot of sense for the government to provide single payer health care for senior citizens (and we would never dream of getting rid of medicare), but, on the other hand, forcing non-senior citizens to pay for health insurance is fascist tyranny.

The fact that a lot of old people are ultra-conservative, and love their single payer health benefits, but hate the idea of young people getting the same thing (or anything resembling that), speaks volumes about how crappy a generation the boomers are.
 
2013-10-16 11:51:43 AM  
That looks video-edited.  I can tell from the funny video compression, and from seeing quite a few video edits back in my day.
 
2013-10-16 11:51:55 AM  

Target Builder: COMALite J: Republicans, specifically, Dr. Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D., Distinguished Fellow and then-Director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Public Policy Innovation, in a paper published on January 2, in 1989 [when Ronald Reagan still had three weeks left in his Presidency, and George Herbert Walker Bush was the President-Elect, and few Americans outside of Arkansas had even heard of Bill Clinton, let alone Hillary,

The summary is excellent and I've passed the previous blasto link on to quite a few people, all of whom have passed it on to others. But this paragraph in the new version seems way too long, too focused on titles and formal names and titles. It needs to be quicker to the point and easier to follow. You don't want to throw people off with too much detail in the first paragraph, particularly when the rest of the content is much easier to read.


Thanks. I foo tend to be too wordy. Please feel free to edit as you feel needed when reposting.
 
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