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(USA Today)   Will America come back from the brink? Will Ted Cruz get tarred and feathered once the Senate fixes this shiat? Can someone get this Boehner a scotch? This is your Default "Countdown to Oblivion" thread   (usatoday.com) divider line 569
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2013-10-16 07:49:38 AM
God help us all
 
2013-10-16 07:56:31 AM
I may spend the day playing Dead Island and practicing for the coming apocalypse.

/may also walk down to the Capitol and join whatever "Jump you farkers!" protest is going on
 
2013-10-16 08:56:05 AM
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^VIX

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIX

http://www.cboe.com/micro/VIX/vixintro.aspx


http://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/vix.asp


VIX values greater than 30 are generally associated with a large amount of volatility as a result of investor fear or uncertainty, while values below 20 generally correspond to less stressful, even complacent, times in the markets.

I don't know anything about stocks, but learned that this was what many people
in the know observed during the 2011 Bagger Budgetpalooza.
 
2013-10-16 09:50:01 AM
Ted Cruz should throw himself off a phisical cliff.
 
2013-10-16 09:50:10 AM
Get a rope.
 
2013-10-16 09:50:38 AM

somedude210: God help us all


That's part of the problem.
 
2013-10-16 09:50:51 AM
Pack a second set of undies, and prepare to change into them
 
2013-10-16 09:50:51 AM
Anyone know when the Senate will bring something to a vote?
 
2013-10-16 09:50:59 AM
I don't know why everyone keeps glossing over that Cruz will likely tie the Senate bill up. I can't imagine why he wouldn't at this point.
 
2013-10-16 09:51:15 AM

Kittypie070: I don't know anything about stocks


VIX is stock shorthand for 'Vasectomy'. The more volatile the market, the greater the number of brokers who don't want their children growing up in that kind of an environment.
 
2013-10-16 09:51:19 AM
Jake Sherman @JakeSherman 16m
HOUSE Rs likely to go 1ST with vote on Senate plan, according to sources. http://politi.co/1eqUEnD

Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
Per Sen sources, Boehner has agreed to take up the Senate's plan and allow it to pass with Dem votes.

Good signs at the moment...I'm still concerned about what Cruz might do in the Senate.  He can single-handedly delay Senate action by 30 hours.
 
2013-10-16 09:51:34 AM

Oakenshield: somedude210: God help us all

That's part of the problem.


as a Buddhist, I may have not made my general use of the phrase clear
 
2013-10-16 09:51:35 AM
So is the strategy here based on the fact that nothing that is ever warned about ends up being as dire as the warnings promise?
 
2013-10-16 09:51:35 AM
We're screwed. Fark you, GOP.
 
2013-10-16 09:51:39 AM
Not going to happen.  They'll get to a "compromise".  This is all just theater.  Expensive theater in the end, but theater nonetheless.
 
2013-10-16 09:51:40 AM
moved my entire 401k into money market accounts, the change doesn't take effect until after today's day of trading, crossing my fingers I don't get farked.
 
2013-10-16 09:52:00 AM

somedude210: Anyone know when the Senate will bring something to a vote?


I understand they will not be in session till noon.
 
2013-10-16 09:52:21 AM
Get your popcorn now, because it may cost more than a McMansion by the end of all this!

www.reactiongifs.com
 
2013-10-16 09:52:22 AM
Have they started the morning by singing 'Nearer My God To Thee'?
 
2013-10-16 09:52:35 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I don't know why everyone keeps glossing over that Cruz will likely tie the Senate bill up. I can't imagine why he wouldn't at this point.


Texas-based Fortune 500 countries telling him he and his loved ones are in mortal danger if he throws us off a cliff?

That's the only reason I could think of.
 
2013-10-16 09:52:42 AM
The Final Countdown?
 
2013-10-16 09:52:51 AM

somedude210: Anyone know when the Senate will bring something to a vote?


Who cares? The House will shiat on it anyway. The negotiations with the Senate are an empty gesture.
 
2013-10-16 09:53:16 AM

ariseatex: He can single-handedly delay Senate action by 30 hours.


If the leadership is dealing, and Cruz wants any support for a presidential run, he will play ball.
 
2013-10-16 09:53:43 AM

ariseatex: Good signs at the moment...I'm still concerned about what Cruz might do in the Senate. He can single-handedly delay Senate action by 30 hours.


Boehner's doing a straight up or down vote? really? my god, he has learned his place
 
2013-10-16 09:54:00 AM
 
2013-10-16 09:54:22 AM
Fark doesn't like WSJ links, but in case anyone hasn't seen it, their absolute f*cking curb-stomping of the GOP this morning is a must read.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230456100457913779 1 687537388
 
2013-10-16 09:54:40 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-16 09:54:42 AM

stratagos: Pack a second set of undies, and prepare to change into them


I don't even own a first set of undies. Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-10-16 09:56:02 AM
Take us over the edge, you farkers.
They have to kill themselves with fire so the rest of us can move on.

GOP ass clowns.
 
2013-10-16 09:56:09 AM
i.imgur.com

Didn't think I'd get to use this image twice in a year's timespan.
 
2013-10-16 09:56:10 AM

ariseatex: Jake Sherman @JakeSherman 16m
HOUSE Rs likely to go 1ST with vote on Senate plan, according to sources. http://politi.co/1eqUEnD

Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
Per Sen sources, Boehner has agreed to take up the Senate's plan and allow it to pass with Dem votes.

Good signs at the moment...I'm still concerned about what Cruz might do in the Senate.  He can single-handedly delay Senate action by 30 hours.


I saw something about this in 'Elizabeth' where Walsingham locked a bunch of theocratic cockgobblers in the basement until a critical vote was over.  Not sure if that particular event actually happened in history (I've never bothered to look), but the tactic sounds legit.
 
2013-10-16 09:56:23 AM

sigdiamond2000: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230456100457913779 1 687537388


"page unavailable"
 
2013-10-16 09:56:24 AM

somedude210: ariseatex: Good signs at the moment...I'm still concerned about what Cruz might do in the Senate. He can single-handedly delay Senate action by 30 hours.

Boehner's doing a straight up or down vote? really? my god, he has learned his place


Don't f*ck your chickens til they hatch.
 
2013-10-16 09:56:27 AM

somedude210: God help us all



'fraid not.  we can help ourselves, and that's about it.
 
2013-10-16 09:56:47 AM

max_pooper: somedude210: Anyone know when the Senate will bring something to a vote?

I understand they will not be in session till noon.


if the house passes the senate bill w/o changes would it need to go back to the senate?
 
2013-10-16 09:56:47 AM

sigdiamond2000: Fark doesn't like WSJ links, but in case anyone hasn't seen it, their absolute f*cking curb-stomping of the GOP this morning is a must read.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230456100457913779 1 687537388


you tried to post a link using the new comment box, i'd say that it's a technical problem but I heard private companies never screw websites up before they roll things out.
 
2013-10-16 09:56:51 AM

KhamanV: ariseatex: Jake Sherman @JakeSherman 16m
HOUSE Rs likely to go 1ST with vote on Senate plan, according to sources. http://politi.co/1eqUEnD

Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
Per Sen sources, Boehner has agreed to take up the Senate's plan and allow it to pass with Dem votes.

Good signs at the moment...I'm still concerned about what Cruz might do in the Senate.  He can single-handedly delay Senate action by 30 hours.

I saw something about this in 'Elizabeth' where Walsingham locked a bunch of theocratic cockgobblers in the basement until a critical vote was over.  Not sure if that particular event actually happened in history (I've never bothered to look), but the tactic sounds legit.


Quoting myself to add - if not legit, at least kinda fun.
 
2013-10-16 09:57:21 AM

DarnoKonrad: And here is the sound track for the thread


That's a farking classic.
Thanks for the laugh.
 
2013-10-16 09:57:27 AM

dinch: sigdiamond2000: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230456100457913779 1 687537388

"page unavailable"


Take the spaces out in the numbers.  Worked fine.
 
2013-10-16 09:57:58 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-16 09:58:00 AM
No matter what happens, Republican voters will continue to blame Obama in defiance of objective, observable reality, and the GOP will suffer no consequences for the shutdown.
 
2013-10-16 09:58:24 AM

BinderWoman: Have they started the morning by singing 'Nearer My God To Thee'?


"Moon River"  would be more appropriate.
 
2013-10-16 09:58:25 AM

DarnoKonrad: And here is the sound track for the thread


Jesus does that singer have down syndrome?
 
2013-10-16 09:58:33 AM

dinch: sigdiamond2000: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230456100457913779 1 687537388

"page unavailable"


Yeah, you might have to actually navigate to their page and click the link. Times are really tough right now and we should all do our part to pitch in.
 
2013-10-16 09:58:58 AM
s23.postimg.org
 
2013-10-16 09:59:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2-aWRIrmkM


SFW and Doomsayers!


america #1!!!!!


keep saying that to ourselves and maybe we'll believe it one day.
 
2013-10-16 10:00:12 AM
bears repeating..

Historical Facts about the Current Government Shutdown and Impending Default with Citations
In January of 1989 (While Reagan was still president) the republicans published a paper outlining a healthcare overhaul plan that included much of what is in todays Affordable Care and Patient Protection Act, also known as Obamacare
http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/ci_0891950494.pdf,
In October of 1989, they expanded the paper into a book
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assuring-affordable-health- ca re-for-all-americans and http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf

This was created more than 4 years before anyone even heard of Bill and Hillary Clinton,
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-co ns ervative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/

They pushed for this plan over the course of 2 decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_Americans_Act

Then When the democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that point only) decided the plan was unconstitutional and posed a grave threat to the nation. And refused to support any aspect of it
They sued in the Supreme Court but lost

http://www.scribd.com/doc/98544934/Supreme-Court-upholds-Affordable- Ca re-Act


They ran presidential candidate who opposed the Affordable Care Act even though he had passed a nearly identical law in the State of Massachusetts

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservat iv e-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

Obama was re-elected with the Affordable Care Act being a center piece of the election http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/

Republicans opposed the ACA because it hate elements that violated their Christian Faith http://cnsnews.com/news/article/judge-rejects-states-lawsuit-challeng i ng-obamacare-contraception-mandate

While a Harvard study concluded that as many as 45,000 Americans die each year due to lack of health care coverage

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000- de aths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/


Which is something some republicans have openly admitted to finding acceptable.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2011/09 /l et_him_die.html
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PepQF7G-It0

Deciding that the Affordable Care Act was a serious threat to the nation, the GOP engineered a strategy of threatening a Government Shutdown to protest the Affordable Care Act.
To pull this off The Republicans strategized how to engineer the shutdown, and how to handle the spin

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/federal-budget-cri si s-months-planning/bhA7OHhAIBvNNincmzdtjJ/story.html

80 members of congress signed a letter to force the shutdown.
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jwithrow/does-your-senator-stand-wi th -mike-lee-against-obam

They said a shutdown would not be a bad thing
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/07/30/ted-c r uz-government-shutdown-wouldnt-be-so-bad/

They celebrated when it happened
  http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/republicans-shut-down-the-g o vernment-but-they-cant-stop-obamacare-20131001

The House Republicans changed a long standing House Rule at the last minute to ensure the shutdown would stay in effect: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-house-gop-s-little-rule-change-th a t-guaranteed-a-shutdown

When challenged about this, the republicans would not address the issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PepQF7G-It0


All the while They accused the Democrats and Obama of not negotiating, even though the democrats tried repeatedly to negotiate
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/19-times-democrats-tried-to- ne gotiate-with-republicans-20131007

Which should not have been necessary since Harry Reid and John Boehner had a deal, that Boehner backed out of.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/326425-reid-boehner-backed-out-of -d eal

And despite all of this, The Republicans attempted blame Obama for the Shutdown
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-republicans-b la me-obama-20131006,0,2739790.story

Some Republicans attempted to hide behind our veterans to blame the president
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-storms-d -c -war-memorials/
and
  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605861/republicans-investigatin g -monument-closures-during-shutdown/

Despite the fact that sent American soldiers into a war
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237

That caused 4400 American soldiers to die
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx

and more than 30,000 to be wounded
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/USCasualtiesByState.aspx

for no reason what so ever

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/c ia s-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/

But now that they think they can make some political gains, they suddenly want to support the troops

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-organizers- c o ndemn-sarah-palin-ted-cruz-tea-party.html

Other republicans admitted they have no idea what the shutdown was about. http://www.salon.com/2013/10/03/gop_congressman_were_not_going_to_be_ d isrespected/

Some openly admitted the shutdown was about "pride"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/dennis-ross-government-shut do wn_n_4050231.html

The Irony is that the shutdown improved the popularity of Obamacare http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/10/11/boomerang-poll-revea l s-gops-government-shutdown-bolstered-obamacare-popularity-by-20/

Which had always been more popular when not called Obamacare http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/09/29/obamacare-affordable - care-act-obama-column/2892183/

which is more popular than the Republican led Congress
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-09/politics/42838288_1_ho us e-republicans-shutdown-senate-democrats

And when their strategy failed to gain support of the public
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/327161-poll-65-perc en t-oppose-tying-obamacare-to-shutdown-debt-ceiling-fights

They Decided that the shutdown fight was no longer about the Affordable Care act, but now spending and the debt
http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-see-shutdown-fight-shift-away-obam ac are-215949746.html

Meanwhile In 2001, The GOP President and GOP Congress
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Combined--Control _o f_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png

Inherited a projected budget surplus and a projected elimination of the entire debt within 10 years. http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/new/html/Fri_Dec_29_151111_2000.html

The GOP then passed a tax cut,
  http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41463

waged an expensive war
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq- pr ice-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans

and repeatedly voted to raise the debt ceiling with no demands on spending cuts.
2002 vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll279.xml
2003 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2003/s202
2004 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2004/h536
2006 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s54
2007 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/110-2007/s354


Then When a Democrat was in the Whitehouse, the GOP decided it was worth risking a default to place demands on spending cuts.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boehner-u-s-will-default-if-ob am a-doesn-t-cave-on-the-debt-limit

Some Republicans are even calling for a default.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/05/19/173961/nunes-calls-for-d ef ault/

Forgetting that we did default, for a day, in 1979, and it cost us Billions.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-07-10/business/35238255_1_tr ea sury-bills-default-debt-limit

And ignoring what economists are saying could happen if we default http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/17/us-default-markets-consequen c es_n_901070.html Some

Republicans are even threatening to impeach the president if a default occurs, despite admitting they will not vote to raise the debt ceiling themselves
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/13/louie-gohmert-impeach_n_409 47 07.html

Others are threatening to impeach if the president invokes the 14th Amendment to prevent a default.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/06/tim-scott-impeachment-obama -1 4-amendment-debt_n_891521.html

Does anyone have any questions?
 
2013-10-16 10:00:14 AM
It's all over but the shouting. I don't know why people are acting like what happened yesterday made things worse - its much better.
 
2013-10-16 10:00:27 AM

Jackson Herring: No matter what happens, Republican voters will continue to blame Obama in defiance of objective, observable reality, and the GOP will suffer no consequences for the shutdown.


I wouldn't be too certain on that last bit.

The Polls show massive, massive distaste for the GOP and their tactics as of late.  And I've read more than one article detailing how the gerrymandering that they did was stupid in its implementation as it put 'just' enough GOP voters into each district to negate large Democratic groups of voters.  Meaning, if they piss off enough people, even those 'safe' districts won't be so safe in 2014.
 
2013-10-16 10:00:28 AM
Let it be said, in possibly the weakest compliment in history, that McConnell was the only Republican in any leadership position who resembled an adult. Profiles In Courage it ain't, but going by the Twitter he's being set up now as the biggest villain on the right, so his chances of getting through the primary unscathed probably just took a hit.
 
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