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(Stuff.co.nz)   Ginger Baker slams The Rolling Stones as bad musicians and songwriters and what the hell decade is this anyway? Has the Internet been invented yet?   (stuff.co.nz) divider line 69
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2013-10-16 06:54:53 AM
You are right, Ginger. They will never amount to anything as musicians.
 
2013-10-16 09:39:12 AM
static2.stuff.co.nz

Old man yells at Stones.
 
2013-10-16 09:42:37 AM
No no, the real question is: What color is Michael Jackson?
 
2013-10-16 09:59:11 AM
Ginger has no soul.
 
2013-10-16 10:02:23 AM

Nadie_AZ: No no, the real question is: What color is Michael Jackson?


Jaggerish?
 
2013-10-16 10:03:23 AM

Valiente: Ginger has no soul.


He's a big-legged woman?
 
2013-10-16 10:07:19 AM
He also hates the way USA makes tea...

Now this is serious! if there's one thing in this country that really bothers me
Is the inability of yanks to make a good cup of tea
Instructions are printed on the teabag
But either they can't read
Or they think it's a gag

Pour boiling water over the tea
How simple and clear can the instructions be?

They bring you a cup with a lemon slice
And an unopened tea bag beside it (how nice)
And a pot of water and it may be hot
But boiling it isn't so tea you have not

Why can't we
Get our tea
We need tea
To set us free

It's boiling water that brings out tea's flavor
With a dash of milk you've a real brew to savor
They drink luke brown water that looks like gnat pee
And it's got nothing to do with a good cup of tea

Pour boiling water over the tea
How simple and clear
Can the instructions be?

Pour boiling water over the tea
Pour boiling water over the tea
 
2013-10-16 10:07:25 AM
Does he not like them because they're poor songwriters, or because they won't look at him across the room at Sir Peter Derbyshire-Frothington's extasy parties?

BURN!
 
2013-10-16 10:07:50 AM
We go psychedelic, they go psychedelic.
Frank-ly speaking, it's not a good argument
 
2013-10-16 10:12:47 AM

mr_a: You are right, Ginger. They will never amount to anything as musicians.


Since when is commercial success a measure of musicianship? By that logic, Justin Bieber is a superior musician to Dana Colley. I'm not saying the Stones are bad musicians, just that your argument is flawed. It's like saying the Big Mac is a great burger.
 
2013-10-16 10:14:05 AM

LectertheChef: mr_a: You are right, Ginger. They will never amount to anything as musicians.

Since when is commercial success a measure of musicianship? By that logic, Justin Bieber is a superior musician to Dana Colley. I'm not saying the Stones are bad musicians, just that your argument is flawed. It's like saying the Big Mac is a great burger.


AAAAAAND WE ARE OFF!
 
2013-10-16 10:15:57 AM
He's just jealous that Charlie's a better dresser than he is.
 
2013-10-16 10:22:35 AM
Such an awesome drummer, but shiatty troll! Jesus dude, (I can't get no) Satisfaction has my vote for greatest rock'n'roll song of all time - Better than any Cream tune at least. BTW I tried to watch your documentary on Netflix. It was awful.
/DRTFA
 
2013-10-16 10:24:46 AM
Ginger Baker is like coffee. Both suck without Cream.
 
2013-10-16 10:24:49 AM
Check out "Beware of Mr. Baker" a 2012 documentary about the crazy bastard.
 
2013-10-16 10:25:31 AM
I like Cream, but Ginger Baker is a renown  dickhead. No wonder Jack Bruce hated his grumpy ass. Besides.. anyone who is actually a musician (except Ginger, apparently) can tell you the Rolling Stones are good musicians.

LectertheChef:  It's like saying the Big Mac is a great burger.


Hey! I like a Big Mac. It might be poison, but it's tasty poison.
 
2013-10-16 10:25:56 AM

LectertheChef: mr_a: You are right, Ginger. They will never amount to anything as musicians.

Since when is commercial success a measure of musicianship? By that logic, Justin Bieber is a superior musician to Dana Colley. I'm not saying the Stones are bad musicians, just that your argument is flawed. It's like saying the Big Mac is a great burger.


The Big Mac is a great burger...if you like that kind of thing, which millions of people obviously do. Just because you don't like the Big Mac does NOT mean that it isn't a great burger. If you are a musician and in the business of selling your music to make farking money, success is indeed a measure of your musicianship. Snob on it all you want, but its farking true.
 
2013-10-16 10:27:56 AM
Shut up and play 'White Room'.
 
2013-10-16 10:32:54 AM
I always thought Ginger Baker had a pretty unique drumming style.  Not sure why he's shooting his mouth off though.  Relax on your pile of money, dude.
 
2013-10-16 10:35:06 AM

Madbassist1: LectertheChef: mr_a: You are right, Ginger. They will never amount to anything as musicians.

Since when is commercial success a measure of musicianship? By that logic, Justin Bieber is a superior musician to Dana Colley. I'm not saying the Stones are bad musicians, just that your argument is flawed. It's like saying the Big Mac is a great burger.

The Big Mac is a great burger...if you like that kind of thing, which millions of people obviously do. Just because you don't like the Big Mac does NOT mean that it isn't a great burger. If you are a musician and in the business of selling your music to make farking money, success is indeed a measure of your musicianship. Snob on it all you want, but its farking true.


So then Katy Perry is a better musician than Robert Johnson? Kanye West better than Monk Montgomery? Financial success in music has everything to do with luck, looks and marketing, and nothing to do with the quality of the music.
 
2013-10-16 10:35:35 AM

Detinwolf: I always thought Ginger Baker had a pretty unique drumming style.  Not sure why he's shooting his mouth off though.  Relax on your pile of money, dude.


He claims to be flat broke
 
2013-10-16 10:37:54 AM
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2013-10-16 10:38:16 AM

Madbassist1: LectertheChef: mr_a: You are right, Ginger. They will never amount to anything as musicians.

Since when is commercial success a measure of musicianship? By that logic, Justin Bieber is a superior musician to Dana Colley. I'm not saying the Stones are bad musicians, just that your argument is flawed. It's like saying the Big Mac is a great burger.

The Big Mac is a great burger...if you like that kind of thing, which millions of people obviously do. Just because you don't like the Big Mac does NOT mean that it isn't a great burger. If you are a musician and in the business of selling your music to make farking money, success is indeed a measure of your musicianship. Snob on it all you want, but its farking true.


According to you then that makes Justin Bieber one of the greatest musicians of all time.....and that can not be true
 
2013-10-16 10:38:18 AM
Ginger Baker was a grumpy old man when he was 25....some people are just miserable pricks their whole life.
 
2013-10-16 10:44:58 AM

GibbyTheMole: I like Cream, but Ginger Baker is a renown  dickhead. No wonder Jack Bruce hated his grumpy ass. Besides.. anyone who is actually a musician (except Ginger, apparently) can tell you the Rolling Stones are good musicians.

LectertheChef:  It's like saying the Big Mac is a great burger.

Hey! I like a Big Mac. It might be poison, but it's tasty poison.


Madbassist1: LectertheChef: mr_a: You are right, Ginger. They will never amount to anything as musicians.

Since when is commercial success a measure of musicianship? By that logic, Justin Bieber is a superior musician to Dana Colley. I'm not saying the Stones are bad musicians, just that your argument is flawed. It's like saying the Big Mac is a great burger.

The Big Mac is a great burger...if you like that kind of thing, which millions of people obviously do. Just because you don't like the Big Mac does NOT mean that it isn't a great burger. If you are a musician and in the business of selling your music to make farking money, success is indeed a measure of your musicianship. Snob on it all you want, but its farking true.


i can't agree on the b.m. being a great burger...i don't like it. however, although it's been 4 years since i've had one, the quarter pounder IS a really yummy burger. great? not with all the 100s of other burger joints to choose from...there truly are some GREAT burgers to be purchased and devoured. really good for a quick fix? certainly.

otoh, the rolling stones are one of the greatest rock bands ever, and cream aint too shabby neither. ginger baker is one of the ugliest people ever, though...beating out jagger and steven tyler, even
 
2013-10-16 10:44:58 AM
SOMEBODY PAY ATTENTION TO ME!  LOOK, LOOK ... LOOK AT ME DAMMIT!

eric clapton won't return my calls ... *sniff*

/wankers
 
2013-10-16 10:47:25 AM

LectertheChef: Madbassist1: LectertheChef: mr_a: You are right, Ginger. They will never amount to anything as musicians.

Since when is commercial success a measure of musicianship? By that logic, Justin Bieber is a superior musician to Dana Colley. I'm not saying the Stones are bad musicians, just that your argument is flawed. It's like saying the Big Mac is a great burger.

The Big Mac is a great burger...if you like that kind of thing, which millions of people obviously do. Just because you don't like the Big Mac does NOT mean that it isn't a great burger. If you are a musician and in the business of selling your music to make farking money, success is indeed a measure of your musicianship. Snob on it all you want, but its farking true.

So then Katy Perry is a better musician than Robert Johnson? Kanye West better than Monk Montgomery? Financial success in music has everything to do with luck, looks and marketing, and nothing to do with the quality of the music.


Oh look..... it's this guy.
 
2013-10-16 10:48:14 AM

LectertheChef: So then Katy Perry is a better musician than Robert Johnson? Kanye West better than Monk Montgomery? Financial success in music has everything to do with luck, looks and marketing, and nothing to do with the quality of the music.


Not to me, but to the people who like them, YES. You're missing the point dude. Music is subjective. get over yourself.
 
2013-10-16 10:57:55 AM
Fills! It's full of fills!
 
2013-10-16 10:57:58 AM
There's a fine line between stupid and clever.
 
2013-10-16 11:12:12 AM

LectertheChef: mr_a: You are right, Ginger. They will never amount to anything as musicians.

Since when is commercial success a measure of musicianship? By that logic, Justin Bieber is a superior musician to Dana Colley. I'm not saying the Stones are bad musicians, just that your argument is flawed. It's like saying the Big Mac is a great burger.


I suppose it depends on your definition of musician. If we are talking about someone who understands complex musical theory and can play Chopin from memory, any decent college probably has hundreds of better "musicians" than the Stones.

But if we are talking about people who deliver a musical product that people like and want to listen to, then commercial success is, by definition, the proper measure. People only spend money on things that they "like".

Like them or not, the Stones, Big Macs and even (gasp) Justin Bieber have all demonstrated an ability to draw huge numbers of fans who show their enjoyment by surrendering wealth.
 
2013-10-16 11:34:09 AM

Madbassist1: LectertheChef: So then Katy Perry is a better musician than Robert Johnson? Kanye West better than Monk Montgomery? Financial success in music has everything to do with luck, looks and marketing, and nothing to do with the quality of the music.

Not to me, but to the people who like them, YES. You're missing the point dude. Music is subjective. get over yourself.


Don't bother.
 
2013-10-16 11:37:13 AM

chevydeuce: Ginger Baker was a grumpy old man when he was 25....some people are just miserable pricks their whole life.


He looked 85 when he was 25.

part of the problem?
 
2013-10-16 11:48:44 AM
Oh yeah, like the Spice Girls are so great.
 
2013-10-16 11:50:53 AM

Detinwolf: I always thought Ginger Baker had a pretty unique drumming style.  Not sure why he's shooting his mouth off though.  Relax on your pile of money, dude.


His pile is more of a lump. The reunion shows at royal Albert Hall were essentially Clapton and Bruce throwing him a bone so he wouldn't wind up indigent.

I like Cream more than the Stones, but not because that crotchety old junkie says I should.
 
2013-10-16 12:13:10 PM
Jesus Christ - the stick up his ass has a stick up it's ass.
 
2013-10-16 12:22:08 PM
He's grumpier than Van Morrison?
 
2013-10-16 12:31:49 PM

Big Beef Burrito: Valiente: Ginger has no soul.

He's a big-legged woman?


No longer able to cream, either.
 
2013-10-16 12:37:01 PM

Trail of Dead: Such an awesome drummer, but shiatty troll! Jesus dude, (I can't get no) Satisfaction has my vote for greatest rock'n'roll song of all time - Better than any Cream tune at least. BTW I tried to watch your documentary on Netflix. It was awful.
/DRTFA


The documentary itself was actually quite good. It was the subject that was almost unwatchable. I've always known that Baker was a notorious prick, but jesus jumping CHRIST- the farking guy is a sociopath. He was probably abused badly as a youngster and never properly dealt with it. Or he was just born an insufferable prick. Either one.
 
2013-10-16 12:49:25 PM

Pentaxian: He's grumpier than Van Morrison?


Yup.  Van's mellowed with age.

He's also grumpier than Roger Waters.

Fun fact: Ginger recently broke the nose of a guy who was making a documentary about him; they're still friends.
 
2013-10-16 01:09:07 PM

Crewmannumber6: His pile is more of a lump. The reunion shows at royal Albert Hall were essentially Clapton and Bruce throwing him a bone so he wouldn't wind up indigent.


Ouch!  Sounds like the dude needed an accountant.
 
2013-10-16 01:16:36 PM
And he's got a GIRLS NAME!!! Everybody laugh
 
2013-10-16 01:21:29 PM

WhiskeySticks: He also hates the way USA makes tea...

Now this is serious! if there's one thing in this country that really bothers me
Is the inability of yanks to make a good cup of tea
Instructions are printed on the teabag
But either they can't read
Or they think it's a gag

Pour boiling water over the tea
How simple and clear can the instructions be?

They bring you a cup with a lemon slice
And an unopened tea bag beside it (how nice)
And a pot of water and it may be hot
But boiling it isn't so tea you have not

Why can't we
Get our tea
We need tea
To set us free

It's boiling water that brings out tea's flavor
With a dash of milk you've a real brew to savor
They drink luke brown water that looks like gnat pee
And it's got nothing to do with a good cup of tea

Pour boiling water over the tea
How simple and clear
Can the instructions be?

Pour boiling water over the tea
Pour boiling water over the tea


One of the best albums I've ever stumbled across. On my list of best unknown albums.

Was a Columbia house pick of the month. Was into Cream at the time, saw Baker's name and that was that.
 
2013-10-16 01:41:32 PM
Well I'll be damned. Bigelow calls that the "quick method" and suggests boiling the teabag in a saucepan with milk added and letting it simmer for a few minutes. Guess that's not as catchy though.
 
2013-10-16 02:40:45 PM
This song from The Rolling Stones pisses on Ginger Baker. Cream has always been an overrated rock band held up by classic rock radio consultants. For some mystifying reason the hacks who run classic rock radio think dropping Eric Clapton's name when playing one of three Cream songs is somehow entertaining radio.

Actually it's not mystifying, it's just American-style corporatism. It rots everything, even rock radio.
 
2013-10-16 02:52:45 PM
I read a book years ago about the history of Cream and its members. About all I can remember is the tale of baker and Bruce working together prior to Cream.

Baker is screaming at Bruce over the music, while they are gigging, telling Bruce how to play! Mainly just complaining about Bruce's style. So after a certain amount of this highly unprofessional nonsense, wee little jack Bruce has had Quite Enough, and picks up his own 6 foot standup bass, wields it like a club and proceeds to wail on mr baker with it. Good times.

/Disclosure: I am a bassist and a jack Bruce fan :)
 
2013-10-16 02:57:15 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Pentaxian: He's grumpier than Van Morrison?

Yup.  Van's mellowed with age.

He's also grumpier than Roger Waters.

Fun fact: Ginger recently broke the nose of a guy who was making a documentary about him; they're still friends.


Is there a game show called "Make Ginger Baker Laugh"?
 
2013-10-16 03:42:46 PM

LectertheChef: Madbassist1: LectertheChef: mr_a: You are right, Ginger. They will never amount to anything as musicians.

Since when is commercial success a measure of musicianship? By that logic, Justin Bieber is a superior musician to Dana Colley. I'm not saying the Stones are bad musicians, just that your argument is flawed. It's like saying the Big Mac is a great burger.

The Big Mac is a great burger...if you like that kind of thing, which millions of people obviously do. Just because you don't like the Big Mac does NOT mean that it isn't a great burger. If you are a musician and in the business of selling your music to make farking money, success is indeed a measure of your musicianship. Snob on it all you want, but its farking true.

So then Katy Perry is a better musician than Robert Johnson? Kanye West better than Monk Montgomery? Financial success in music has everything to do with luck, looks and marketing, and nothing to do with the quality of the music.


Katy Perry is probably a better musician than Robert Johnson by any objective measure.
 
2013-10-16 03:53:27 PM

REO-Weedwagon: This song from The Rolling Stones pisses on Ginger Baker. Cream has always been an overrated rock band held up by classic rock radio consultants. For some mystifying reason the hacks who run classic rock radio think dropping Eric Clapton's name when playing one of three Cream songs is somehow entertaining radio.


And the Rolling Stones sound like a bunch of drunk guys sitting around a campfire. And Eric Clapton is grossly overrated. Pick your poison.
 
2013-10-16 03:57:36 PM

REO-Weedwagon: overrated


I took a while but we made it, everyone!  WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
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