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(Gawker)   At their first debate, the Republican candidate for mayor of NYC tells his Democratic opponent that he's "pro-choice...pro-gay rights, including marriage equality" and insists he "do not lump me with the national Republicans, it's unbecoming" (video)   (gawker.com) divider line 47
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2013-10-16 02:50:32 AM
Marriage equality SHOULD be the default position for Republicans. That it's not illustrates the problem with the party at this point. On grounds of freedom of religion, equality under the law, and on grounds of privacy. For the folks who like the Constitution, and freedom, it SHOULD be a no brainer. Don't want to marry a dude if you're a dude, then don't. But maybe you should NOT stick your nose in your neighbor's business.

Likewise, environmentalism and holding our public lands in trust used to be the default position for Republicans as well. And support for equality under the law. That the party has fled these roots is not just troubling, it's a damn shame. Fiscal prudence, considered approaches with an eye for unintended consequences, this should be the hallmark of the party that considers itself "Conservative" and instead, we have a radicalized party with the Lunatic Fringe having been folded to the center, and pushing those it feels to be RINOs, and by that, moderates who used to be simply Conservatives, and even sort of stick in the muds about policy, are being shed.

I will admit that I don't know much about our Beamish Boy, but it would be nice to see a return from the precipice that the alliance between the NeoCons and the Religious Right have gotten us, and the "saving" of the party is NOT going to come with pushing the likewise Lunatic Fringe "Libertarians" who seem to be quite content to vote, not for their own candidates, but for increasingly radicalized Republicans.

I will admit, that my issues with the party go back a ways. I have never been a straight ticket voter, despite party affiliation, because simply being IN a party doesn't mean signing a gottverdammt suicide pact with crazy f*ckers. We NEED better leaders, and one can hope that we get a few more as the TEA Party implodes under the weight of their own DERP and if they can take the NeoCons and sweep the Religious Right out, that wouldn't break my heart either. Sadly, at this point, the center right party ARE the Democrats, and that should cause Democrats as much worry as the plunge to the Idiot Brigade by the leadership of the GOP on a national level...
 
2013-10-16 03:19:52 AM
"It's unbecoming."  Yeah, that should get some big play.
 
2013-10-16 03:23:06 AM
If you aren't those things, then by default you are no longer a Republican because that party has left you. I often wonder what Republican issues they do agree with - usually it's myths like being strong on national defense and tough on debt, which the Republicans were never actually devoted to beyond lip service.
 
2013-10-16 03:54:35 AM

shower_in_my_socks: If you aren't those things, then by default you are no longer a Republican because that party has left you. I often wonder what Republican issues they do agree with - usually it's myths like being strong on national defense and tough on debt, which the Republicans were never actually devoted to beyond lip service.


He'd be an electable democrat in a red state. Which kinda makes me ponder the same shiat about red state democrats and blue state republicans. If they can make that work then they might not be all bad.

I guess somewhere the lines blur, and the beer helps wash the lines out entirely.
 
2013-10-16 07:25:02 AM

shower_in_my_socks: If you aren't those things, then by default you are no longer a Republican because that party has left you. I often wonder what Republican issues they do agree with - usually it's myths like being strong on national defense and tough on debt, which the Republicans were never actually devoted to beyond lip service.


I would give them that, with the caveat that smart is oftne more important than strong.
 
2013-10-16 08:29:41 AM

liam76: shower_in_my_socks: If you aren't those things, then by default you are no longer a Republican because that party has left you. I often wonder what Republican issues they do agree with - usually it's myths like being strong on national defense and tough on debt, which the Republicans were never actually devoted to beyond lip service.

I would give them that, with the caveat that smart is oftne more important than strong.


But not alwyas.
 
2013-10-16 08:41:40 AM
"Republican" and "Democrat" mean something else entirely in New York.

First of all, public-sector unions still have plenty of juice here. Collective-bargaining rules are set in stone, and there isn't much call for repealing this only-in-New York feature called the Triborough Amendment. If you're in a public sector union, it's farking SWEET - when your contract expires, its terms continue until there's a new deai. So if you got your local politicians to promise you the moon in the deal you lined up four years ago...which you did, because you bought those politicians fair and square...the terms of that deal continue until there's a new one. The effect is most concentrated in the city, and therefore...

A Republican in NY would be a mainstream Democrat in about 48 other states. A Republican in NYC (aside from Staten Island) is a liberal Democrat who still goes to church or shul or at least sucks up to Al Sharpton.

A Democrat in New York City is screamingly liberal compared to even upstate Democrats, let alone the national party.

And since New York is jammed to bursting with Democrats, merely being progressive and open-minded isn't nearly enough to show sufficient devotion to the cause, so there's a Working Families Party for anybody who thinks that what New York really needs is more power for politicians and less oversight, and to pay for all this, well, that guy stuck paying $3000/year in taxes on a $90,000 shiatbox in Buffalo isn't getting farked hard enough so we'll take it out of his ass since the rich people we really want to tax know how to structure their money to avoid Albany and City Hall taking too big a piece.
 
2013-10-16 08:52:47 AM
He's established his cred on those points.  I'll give him that.

Should be an interesting race.
 
2013-10-16 10:21:18 AM
A NYC Republican is different from a Republican in most of the rest of country... shocking!

shower_in_my_socks: I often wonder what Republican issues they do agree with


He agrees with the money he gets from the party to run his campaign.
 
2013-10-16 10:28:26 AM
A republican who is not a social conservative?

Wow. There may be hope yet for that party.
 
2013-10-16 11:07:53 AM
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2013-10-16 11:26:07 AM

hardinparamedic: A republican who is not a social conservative?

Wow. There may be hope yet for that party.


What, that they'll drop the evangelicals? Not likely.
 
2013-10-16 11:28:59 AM
Holy shiat.  A Rockefeller Republican?  Quick, Bertha!  Snap a picture!!
 
2013-10-16 11:53:20 AM
If I were a Republican today, I'd be embarrassed to be associated with the retards in the House of Representatives.
 
2013-10-16 11:55:57 AM

Gulper Eel: "Republican" and "Democrat" mean something else entirely in New York.


That applies to pretty much all of the big-population states with the exception of maybe Florida.  Texas, California, and NY all have their own little variant political spectrum.
 
2013-10-16 11:57:52 AM
But he'll still vote to kick women and children off financial support because Jesus
 
2013-10-16 11:58:26 AM
Witness another surge of "independents" and "libertarians" that will somehow vote straight ticket -R on everything.
 
2013-10-16 11:59:30 AM
Something tells me he won't be the last GOP candidate to follow this script.
 
2013-10-16 11:59:35 AM
You're willingly part of that group that caucuses together on a national level.  If elected you'll work to get other Republicans elected and to fund raise in your city.  If elected you'll directly help extreme Republicans get into office.

If you don't want to be lumped in with them, then don't join their party.

Godwin:
"Don't lump me in with Hitler, I'm a moderate Nazi that doesn't believe in discrimination!"
 
2013-10-16 12:02:59 PM
Your opponent did not lump you in with national Republicans.

You did that yourself when you decided to join their party, decided to run in their primary, and then decided to run in the general election with a (R) in front of your name.
 
2013-10-16 12:03:58 PM
Ah, and old school Republican, and not one of these newfangled Teapublicans.  I wouldn't want to risk the confusion either.
 
2013-10-16 12:04:18 PM

hardinparamedic: A republican who is not a social conservative?

Wow. There may be hope yet for that party.


Yes, hope it catches on.
 
2013-10-16 12:08:16 PM
Yeah but

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I'd probably vote for Ted Cruz over an anti-kitten candidate
 
2013-10-16 12:16:44 PM
Well if you don't want to be lumped in with Republicans and you don't agree with some of their major policy planks why did you join their organization?

'Hi I'm gay. But I don't have sex with members of my own sex. Eww. Don't lump me in the same category as those degenerates. I just like the scene.'
 
2013-10-16 12:22:43 PM

Karac: Your opponent did not lump you in with national Republicans.

You did that yourself when you decided to join their party, decided to run in their primary, and then decided to run in the general election with a (R) in front of your name.


^ sounds like he should have tried under the D ticket...
 
2013-10-16 12:23:49 PM
it begins!
 
2013-10-16 12:24:40 PM

Gulper Eel: A Republican in NYC (aside from Staten Island) is a liberal Democrat who still goes to church or shul or at least sucks up to Al Sharpton.


...or who wants a challenge-free path to the general election.
 
2013-10-16 12:30:38 PM
I'd like to see the DNC officially adopt a platform of Legalizing Marijuana... They'd lock down the vote for a long time.
 
2013-10-16 12:35:23 PM

Karac: Your opponent did not lump you in with national Republicans.

You did that yourself when you decided to join their party, decided to run in their primary, and then decided to run in the general election with a (R) in front of your name.


Shouldn't you be out looting a Wal-Mart because you EBT card isn't working or something? Since we are lumping ALL of each kind together and all...
 
2013-10-16 12:41:42 PM
The first debate was about a week ago. It was pretty funny hearing him try to run away from national republicans and the shutdown.
 
2013-10-16 12:43:00 PM

robsul82: "It's unbecoming."  Yeah, that should get some big play.


Yeah Lhota sounded like someone who's going to get raped in the polls in November.  So he just threw shiat at the wall and hoped something stuck.
 
2013-10-16 12:45:11 PM

hubiestubert: Marriage equality SHOULD be the default position for Republicans. That it's not illustrates the problem with the party at this point. On grounds of freedom of religion, equality under the law, and on grounds of privacy. For the folks who like the Constitution, and freedom, it SHOULD be a no brainer. Don't want to marry a dude if you're a dude, then don't. But maybe you should NOT stick your nose in your neighbor's business.

Likewise, environmentalism and holding our public lands in trust used to be the default position for Republicans as well. And support for equality under the law. That the party has fled these roots is not just troubling, it's a damn shame. Fiscal prudence, considered approaches with an eye for unintended consequences, this should be the hallmark of the party that considers itself "Conservative" and instead, we have a radicalized party with the Lunatic Fringe having been folded to the center, and pushing those it feels to be RINOs, and by that, moderates who used to be simply Conservatives, and even sort of stick in the muds about policy, are being shed.

I will admit that I don't know much about our Beamish Boy, but it would be nice to see a return from the precipice that the alliance between the NeoCons and the Religious Right have gotten us, and the "saving" of the party is NOT going to come with pushing the likewise Lunatic Fringe "Libertarians" who seem to be quite content to vote, not for their own candidates, but for increasingly radicalized Republicans.

I will admit, that my issues with the party go back a ways. I have never been a straight ticket voter, despite party affiliation, because simply being IN a party doesn't mean signing a gottverdammt suicide pact with crazy f*ckers. We NEED better leaders, and one can hope that we get a few more as the TEA Party implodes under the weight of their own DERP and if they can take the NeoCons and sweep the Religious Right out, that wouldn't break my heart either. Sadly, at this point, the center ...



There's a reason I have you favorited.  Stuff like this.  Give me hope.
 
2013-10-16 12:48:20 PM

Obama's Teleprompter: Karac: Your opponent did not lump you in with national Republicans.

You did that yourself when you decided to join their party, decided to run in their primary, and then decided to run in the general election with a (R) in front of your name.

Shouldn't you be out looting a Wal-Mart because you EBT card isn't working or something? Since we are lumping ALL of each kind together and all...


I'm sorry, did you just have a brainfart?  Because I don't really follow what it is you're trying to accuse me of being ...

Look, it's not my fault if I assume that a Republican politician, running for office under the Republican ticket, generally agrees with the Republican party's platform and their some of their most rabidly held positions therein.

If this guy doesn't agree with the Republican party, then he was perfectly capable of running as a democrat or an independent.  Which leads me to believe he either:

A) actually does agree with that gays shouldn't have equal rights and that abortion should be illegal, and is just lying to entice non-republican voters
B) thinks gays should have equal rights and abortion should be legal - but won't ever be bothered to do anything concrete to defend those positions
C) or thinks gays should have equal rights and abortion should be legal - but keeps the (R) in front of his name to get the straight party ticket votes.

Whichever combination of those options he chooses he cannot escape one simple fact: there is no way you can say that you are a Republican and that you support gay rights or choice on abortion without someway being a hypocrite.
 
2013-10-16 12:50:25 PM

Gulper Eel: A Republican in NY would be a mainstream Democrat in about 48 other states. A Republican in NYC (aside from Staten Island) is a liberal Democrat who still goes to church or shul or at least sucks up to Al Sharpton.

A Democrat in New York City is screamingly liberal compared to even upstate Democrats, let alone the national party.


Yeah it makes perfect sense that Lhota would try to distance himself from the national Republicans. Honestly, he's much closer to the type of "moderate" Republican that many Americans are hoping to see in the Republican party (outside of the joke that are the Tea Partiers).

Although I voted for De Blasio in the primary, I'm seriously considering Lhota for mayorship and I'm pretty damn liberal. I just am skeptical about De Blasio's ideas, particularly as it pertains to affordable housing/economics. While they are nice sounding I don't really see how he can put them to work. I feel like he's a pie-in-the-sky liberal and not very realistic.

Lhota has completely liberal politics outside of business and tax revenue. I think his ideas are more practical but won't do much to change the rich/poor dichotomy in NYC. Also, the kitten thing :-p

The Republican party is entirely different from where it was 25 years ago, but in NYC you can't get elected on conservative social politics. NYC Republicans look nothing like the national GOP and I have, in the past voted Republican in local elections.
 
2013-10-16 12:58:38 PM
It's your party. You can cry if you want to.
 
2013-10-16 01:21:40 PM

Karac: Obama's Teleprompter: Karac: Your opponent did not lump you in with national Republicans.

You did that yourself when you decided to join their party, decided to run in their primary, and then decided to run in the general election with a (R) in front of your name.

Shouldn't you be out looting a Wal-Mart because you EBT card isn't working or something? Since we are lumping ALL of each kind together and all...

I'm sorry, did you just have a brainfart?


Objection, Your Honor.  Assumes organs not in evidence.
 
2013-10-16 01:28:15 PM

shower_in_my_socks: If you aren't those things, then by default you are no longer a Republican because that party has left you. I often wonder what Republican issues they do agree with - usually it's myths like being strong on national defense and tough on debt, which the Republicans were never actually devoted to beyond lip service.


Probably still thinks rich people should pay less taxes.
 
2013-10-16 01:51:03 PM
Yeah, fark you, pal.  If you don't want to be lumped in with the Republicans, stop calling yourself one and running on their ticket.
 
2013-10-16 01:54:43 PM
New York is a city where if you're already well-connected, you don't need a party to back you. There's no reason to caucus with Republicans.
 
2013-10-16 02:04:30 PM
If you lie down with dogs don't be surprised when you are covered in fleas.
 
2013-10-16 02:23:45 PM

dletter: A NYC Republican is different from a Republican in most of the rest of country... shocking!


I'm still amused people haven't figured this out.

Also:

"Do not lump me in with national Republicans"

Can you blame him?
 
2013-10-16 02:27:28 PM
Republicans are such panders.

If Lhota won the election and several years from now decided to run for President, he'd do a full reversal.

There's a lot more consistency with what policies Democrats support regardless of location.
 
2013-10-16 02:34:40 PM
Is no one going to say anything about the long and hard comment?
 
2013-10-16 02:47:59 PM

Karac: You did that yourself when you decided to join their party, decided to run in their primary, and then decided to run in the general election with a (R) in front of your name.


xanadian: Holy shiat. A Rockefeller Republican? Quick, Bertha! Snap a picture!!


Which reminds me -- has anyone hooked up a turbine generator to Nelson Rockefeller's grave yet?
 
2013-10-16 03:33:16 PM

Lollipop165: I'm seriously considering Lhota for mayorship and I'm pretty damn liberal. I just am skeptical about De Blasio's ideas, particularly as it pertains to affordable housing/economics. While they are nice sounding I don't really see how he can put them to work. I feel like he's a pie-in-the-sky liberal and not very realistic.


THIS.

He's going to get used by the city Democratic establishment. Guys like Sheldon Silver eat guys like De Blasio for breakfast.

I don't think the city's going back to being the hellhole it was in the late 60's-early 80's just because they elect a liberal Democratic mayor, but I am getting a major Dinkins/Lindsay vibe off De Blasio. Too many voters weren't around during the bad old days.

To paraphrase Ed Koch - the people will have spoken, and the people will be punished.
 
2013-10-16 04:19:59 PM
This guy is being funded by NYC Wall Street "Dems" that are suddenly worried about de Blasio being unfriendly to the wealthy elite. It's surprising that Schumer hasn't come out and officially endorsed this guy yet.
 
2013-10-16 05:07:00 PM
if Lhota wants to stop being associated with the RNC, he should stop whoring out Giuliani,  a liberal republican who threw out all of his ideals to try to win nationally.

the next mayor of NYC will inherit a mess: the city's debt doubled under Bloomberg to $110 billion, union contracts have not been signed in years ($7 billion in back pay owed so far), a shrinking tax base from Wall Street, and stagnant job growth.

DeBlasio's call for higher taxes is bullshiat, as any changes to the tax code need to be approved by the State and Cuomo is trying to cut taxes. don't worry rich folk, he's not coming for your money.
 
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