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(The New Republic)   Don't mistake what happened yesterday in Washington for anything other than what it was: the final spasm of a still-fresh corpse, the corpse being the GOP's legitimacy as a political entity   (newrepublic.com) divider line 215
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2013-10-16 09:23:28 AM  

DrPainMD: Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.


You forgot "so vote Republican".
 
2013-10-16 09:25:37 AM  

wesmon: I thought the House of Representatives already was an open bar?


Juding by the attempts at legislation coming out of the house, it looks more like a bath salts buffet.
 
2013-10-16 09:25:44 AM  
One-on-one, these TEA party types aren't too bad, but they get uppity when they get in a group.
 
2013-10-16 09:26:03 AM  

Befuddled: AngryDragon: If the Dems stay away from gun control they will control 100% if the government for the next 10 years after this.

It only took two years for the dullards to forget the Bush years and once again vote Republican.


They didn't "forget" the Bush years.  Bush just went from a unifier and a leader to a statist *cough*librul*cough politician.

//Just remember, if you have terminal cognitive dissonence, you never have to remember anything
 
2013-10-16 09:26:40 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...

He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.


[Smart][Funny]
 
2013-10-16 09:28:48 AM  
If this mess makes some of the big money donors decide that they don't want Republicans controlling the House after all (lest they lose all their money), that might make a difference in 2014.
 
2013-10-16 09:33:19 AM  

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


Really? Really? Really...? So this is Pelosi's fault? Really?

www.principalspage.com
 
2013-10-16 09:33:45 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: You forgot "so vote Republican".


You know, this is the sort of thing that would be a tired, played out meme if it wasn't for the fact that this a tactic we see EVERY SINGLE DAY, OVER AND OVER AGAIN from the GOP stalwarts attempting to salvage their party's image.

I mean, what started as a cynical political ploy by Karl Rove as a way to defuse the strong, and (at the time) growing anti-Bush/anti-GOP sentiment as we lived through the misrule of the first Bush term has been adopted as the go-to rationalization for those who still want to cling to their political identity or to put up a pretense of objectivity.

And what's so galling about it is in so many cases the precedent for bad GOP political behavior that is being waved off by the "BSAB" statement was also set by the GOP.

Take this current gov shutdown and debt limit debate.  We have posters in these threads saying "I don't know why you guys are getting upset about this, this happens all the time,  this is just what Congress does."
 
2013-10-16 09:34:42 AM  

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


What's it like, having a mental disorder?
 
2013-10-16 09:34:46 AM  

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


Once again, I'm not sure if you're a liar, troll, or just an ignorant buffoon who doesn't know how our government works.

Under House rules, only things that Boehner and Cantor directly approve are even allowed to be voted on.
 
2013-10-16 09:37:29 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.

Once again, I'm not sure if you're a liar, troll, or just an ignorant buffoon who doesn't know how our government works.

Under House rules, only things that Boehner and Cantor directly approve are even allowed to be voted on.


And besides, that's not even true.  In fact, Pelosi has brought something to the table:

2.bp.blogspot.com

And you have to admit, it really brightened up the House.  It was looking pretty dowdy in there.
 
2013-10-16 09:37:48 AM  

hardinparamedic: scumshine: Yep, I don't expect to see anything change in Tennessee.

The only reason the Republicans don't carry Tennessee is that the urban areas tend to overwhelmingly vote democrat while the rural areas vote otherwise.


i.imgur.com

When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee?  I'm in Knox county, surrounded by priuses, hippies, university professors, granola eating socialists, etc. and we can't even vote this county blue.
 
2013-10-16 09:39:46 AM  
There's a phrase that i heard someone say back around 2010, and it's been getting a lot of use in my household:

"I would rather whittle the tip of my dick off with a carrot peeler than vote for a Republican ever again."

Snappy.

/voted for Perot instead of Clinton, eternal shame.
 
2013-10-16 09:40:20 AM  
Oh look, it's the weekly "death of the GOP" thread. Don't worry, I'm sure that THIS time it will come true!!

//you may now continue with your regularly-scheduled mental masturbation
 
2013-10-16 09:40:20 AM  

stovepipe: When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee?


I don't know, but I carry this in my iPod.
 
2013-10-16 09:41:36 AM  

Bendal: balki1867: Bendal: Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.

Not contradicting you, but just asking: If that were to happen, wouldn't the moderate Republicans come to defend Boehner in that vote to let him keep the job?


The explanation I've heard about this says that renominating Boehner as Speaker puts the Republicans right back where they are now; leaderless. Someone else who could weld the party back together would be preferable to him; a lot of non-Teabag Republicans tend to vote with them out of fear of being primaried in 2014. Since we've already seen that the Teabaggers aren't following orders from the moderate wing of the GOP, it's likely they'd try to vote in a Speaker more like them, and the moderates would be likely to support him out of party loyalty.


But that makes no sense.  If Boehner brings a clean CR and/or debt limit increase up for a vote, and it passes, he will, by definition have enough votes to stay Speaker, since the Democrats get to vote also.  Any Republican willing to vote for the clean CR is, by the very act of doing so, is willing to tell the baggers to fark off.

Now, if I were the Democrats, I would go to Boehner and say "We want this [present roll of paper that goes out the door, down the hall, out the building, and halfway to RI]; but we are glad you finally did the right thing, so we only want this to vote for you as Speaker [present roll of paper that goes out the door, down the hall, and to the door of the building]; Oh Hell, we are just giddy you have a soul, so we'll do it for this [single sheet of standard paper with 3 easy-to-fulfill demands]".  The Orange biatch will happily snap it up, and the Democrats have basically killed him in the 2014 elections.
 
2013-10-16 09:41:48 AM  

stovepipe: When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee?  I'm in Knox county, surrounded by priuses, hippies, university professors, granola eating socialists, etc. and we can't even vote this county blue.


You're the bastards that keep putting Campfield in Nashville. :)

Nashville and Memphis are blue dots in seas of Red. Jackson is getting that way.
 
2013-10-16 09:45:27 AM  

stovepipe: hardinparamedic: scumshine: Yep, I don't expect to see anything change in Tennessee.

The only reason the Republicans don't carry Tennessee is that the urban areas tend to overwhelmingly vote democrat while the rural areas vote otherwise.

[i.imgur.com image 500x498]

When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee?  I'm in Knox county, surrounded by priuses, hippies, university professors, granola eating socialists, etc. and we can't even vote this county blue.


How many votes does the Sunsphere get?

/ Went to see it this summer.  It was kinda cool.
 
2013-10-16 09:47:57 AM  

hardinparamedic: stovepipe: When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee?  I'm in Knox county, surrounded by priuses, hippies, university professors, granola eating socialists, etc. and we can't even vote this county blue.

You're the bastards that keep putting Campfield in Nashville. :)

Nashville and Memphis are blue dots in seas of Red. Jackson is getting that way.


Funny fact, one of the popular local restaurants in downtown Knoxville refused to serve Campfield, turned him away when he tried to eat there, citing his homophobic statements.  Made all the local newspapers.  Librals are plentiful around here in the city, but you don't have to go but about 10 miles out into the suburbs to find knuckle dragging bigoted racist morans that vote straight republican ticket because geezus.
 
2013-10-16 09:48:45 AM  

stovepipe: When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee? I'm in Knox county, surrounded by priuses, hippies, university professors, granola eating socialists, etc. and we can't even vote this county blue.


Clinton carried the state in 96 - in large part due to Perot splitting the vote. It's gotten more and more Republican every cycle since
 
2013-10-16 09:50:56 AM  

sprag: How many votes does the Sunsphere get?

/ Went to see it this summer. It was kinda cool.


imageshack.us
(Artist's conception)
 
2013-10-16 09:54:38 AM  
The Tea Party is a cancer and it's metastasized in the party's leadership. We're going to get a whole hell of a lot sicker if we undergo chemo and radiation therapy, but we'll live. Unfortunately, the cancer gets a vote.
 
2013-10-16 09:58:47 AM  

Marc L'Hommedieu: /voted for Perot instead of Clinton, eternal shame.


No, take pride in that.  Perot was absolutely correct and wanted to fix things.  In the end, the second-best candidate won, so it all worked out okay.  But if you voted for Nader...
 
2013-10-16 09:59:31 AM  

Skleenar: sprag: How many votes does the Sunsphere get?

/ Went to see it this summer. It was kinda cool.

[imageshack.us image 320x213]
(Artist's conception)


Yep, exactly.  We were on our way back home from vacation and Knoxville was half way.   We showed that episode to our 11 year old daughter so we just had to do it.  Besides, Branson was too far out of the way.

/ Drove through Macon, GA for Nelson's sake.
 
2013-10-16 10:01:11 AM  

born_yesterday: And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is watch this classic drunken rant from election night


ftfy

/can't believe that it's 1 year later and that c00nt still hasn't taken this video down
//actually, I can
///holy crap, she even has a blog now, though it seems to be mostly devoted to professing her undying love for right wing media celebrities like Drudge/Beck/etc.
 
2013-10-16 10:01:48 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Clinton carried the state in 96 - in large part due to Perot splitting the vote. It's gotten more and more Republican every cycle since


Gore played no small part in that.

So it's kinda funny that he lost it himself four years later.

/funny in a hundreds of thousands of people dead, trillions of dollars wasted, and a global recession way
 
2013-10-16 10:02:24 AM  

Ricardo Klement: The Tea Party is a cancer and it's metastasized in the party's leadership. We're going to get a whole hell of a lot sicker if we undergo chemo and radiation therapy, but we'll live. Unfortunately, the cancer gets a vote.


If the Affordable Care Act ends up prolonging the lives of aging Republican/teabagger voters so they can keep gumming up the country with their dementia, then it really will have been as damaging to the US as they claimed.  Maybe that's what they've been trying to warn us about this whole time!
 
2013-10-16 10:03:43 AM  

quickdraw: netweavr: Weaver95: It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.

[teenmomtalk.com image 480x600]

Netweavr you have no poetry in your soul. Go read some Rilke' or at least some Kipling ffs.


I prefer the contemporary equivalents of Busta Rhymes and 50 cent.
 
2013-10-16 10:07:40 AM  

phalamir: If Boehner brings a clean CR and/or debt limit increase up for a vote, and it passes, he will, by definition have enough votes to stay Speaker, since the Democrats get to vote also.


Why would the Dems vote for that idiot?  He has shown he cannot control his caucus, he does not have a vision and most certainly is not fit to be Speaker.  The Dems would only vote for the CR and debt limit increase because it is the right thing to do - and it represents a victory over the most extreme parts of the GOP.  Boehner however, can twist in the wind.  Only as part of a grand bargain the Boehner himself would have to initiate (ie. come crawling to Nancy and offer to be her hand puppet) would the Dems ever vote for that idiot.
 
2013-10-16 10:08:35 AM  

dookdookdook: born_yesterday: And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is watch this classic drunken rant from election night

ftfy

/can't believe that it's 1 year later and that c00nt still hasn't taken this video down
//actually, I can
///holy crap, she even has a blog now, though it seems to be mostly devoted to professing her undying love for right wing media celebrities like Drudge/Beck/etc.


I listened to that vid for 15 seconds or so, but my brain shut down when i realized the first thing she was working herself up into a possible coronary about was people not sharing her facebook posts.
 
2013-10-16 10:10:44 AM  
i.imgur.com

But it's the Obama shutdown and Democrats won't negotiate.
 
2013-10-16 10:12:56 AM  

MadHatter500: Why would the Dems vote for that idiot? He has shown he cannot control his caucus, he does not have a vision and most certainly is not fit to be Speaker. The Dems would only vote for the CR and debt limit increase because it is the right thing to do - and it represents a victory over the most extreme parts of the GOP. Boehner however, can twist in the wind. Only as part of a grand bargain the Boehner himself would have to initiate (ie. come crawling to Nancy and offer to be her hand puppet) would the Dems ever vote for that idiot.


Because they'd have to vote with some moderate Republicans to choose a speaker.  Without that, the new speaker is Cantor.  Or some godawful teabagger, at the outside.  But mostly, Cantor.  And if you have to choose between an ineffectual idiot and an evil bastard, you take the one you know and that can be counted on to fail.
 
2013-10-16 10:13:09 AM  
s7.postimg.org
 
2013-10-16 10:14:09 AM  

MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.


True. Lets not forget that every single jobs bill the president put forth was voted down while the GOP has been mute on jobs since the 2008 election.

The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.
 
2013-10-16 10:17:26 AM  

ocd002: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

True. Lets not forget that every single jobs bill the president put forth was voted down while the GOP has been mute on jobs since the 2008 election.

The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha
 
2013-10-16 10:19:01 AM  

RedTank: [s7.postimg.org image 850x292]


I'm not gonna sine off on that graph, cos I think it's tangential to this argument.
 
2013-10-16 10:19:41 AM  
 
2013-10-16 10:20:26 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Boehner couldn't lead House Republicans to an open bar right now.


Why would he?  More booze for him that way.
 
2013-10-16 10:20:44 AM  

ocd002: The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.


The Dems' only shot next year is if the Republicans Akin themselves out of seats.

Teabaggers get insanely mad at congress for passing the funding/debt ceiling bills, primary them with some crazy nutcase who has to assure the public she's not a witch, independents are turned off and vote D, and Democratic base goes out and vote in total panic in case the nutcases get elected.  But if it's a big teabagger primary swing, Republican base will likely be more fired-up than apathetic, unfortunately.  Complete Republican apathy is another option, but it would likely be coupled with typical Democratic apathy too, so status quo continues.
 
2013-10-16 10:23:18 AM  
 
2013-10-16 10:23:39 AM  

T-Servo: I'm not sure I like the headline's metaphor, seeing as a zombie apocalypse is what we're fearing the most now.

/need some new mods for my baseball bat


I'm not a gun person...do edged weapons work on zombies?

/ that doubled-headed battle-axe hanging beside my door might come in handy after all...
 
2013-10-16 10:25:35 AM  

Carn: ocd002: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

True. Lets not forget that every single jobs bill the president put forth was voted down while the GOP has been mute on jobs since the 2008 election.

The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha


If the Republicans kick out the tea party and the tea party folks run as 3rd party, they could split the vote enough to give wins to the Democrats.
 
2013-10-16 10:26:14 AM  

DemonEater: ocd002: The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.

The Dems' only shot next year is if the Republicans Akin themselves out of seats.

Teabaggers get insanely mad at congress for passing the funding/debt ceiling bills, primary them with some crazy nutcase who has to assure the public she's not a witch, independents are turned off and vote D, and Democratic base goes out and vote in total panic in case the nutcases get elected.  But if it's a big teabagger primary swing, Republican base will likely be more fired-up than apathetic, unfortunately.  Complete Republican apathy is another option, but it would likely be coupled with typical Democratic apathy too, so status quo continues.


You know that lunch Obama had with 20 of them.  The whole idea was to simply get photos of them with Obama.  He releases the photos of him with those guys and they will have to primary in someone even crazier/stupider (a la Akin as you mentioned).
 
2013-10-16 10:27:46 AM  
Really submitter? Because here in Kansas we still have plenty of assholes. I see them every day.
 
2013-10-16 10:30:03 AM  

mrshowrules: You know that lunch Obama had with 20 of them. The whole idea was to simply get photos of them with Obama. He releases the photos of him with those guys and they will have to primary in someone even crazier/stupider (a la Akin as you mentioned).


Trololobama needs to hang out with the Republicans as much as he can between now and Primary season.  As many pictures as he can get of himself playing golf, eating, and generally palling around with smiling happy Republican congressmen.

Obama doesn't have to make his base happy anymore, and oh MAN the teabagger effect will cause primary devastation like you've never seen before.  I like it.
 
2013-10-16 10:32:36 AM  

born_yesterday: RedTank: [s7.postimg.org image 850x292]

I'm not gonna sine off on that graph, cos I think it's tangential to this argument.


you there, have an internet.
 
2013-10-16 10:33:57 AM  

MindStalker: Carn: ocd002: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

True. Lets not forget that every single jobs bill the president put forth was voted down while the GOP has been mute on jobs since the 2008 election.

The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha

If the Republicans kick out the tea party and the tea party folks run as 3rd party, they could split the vote enough to give wins to the Democrats.


And that is why the GOP won't kick the Tea Party out.
 
2013-10-16 10:38:14 AM  

syzygy whizz: T-Servo: I'm not sure I like the headline's metaphor, seeing as a zombie apocalypse is what we're fearing the most now.

/need some new mods for my baseball bat

I'm not a gun person...do edged weapons work on zombies?

/ that doubled-headed battle-axe hanging beside my door might come in handy after all...


Useful for cutting off heads and/or limbs. I prefer katanas and machetes myself, but axes work if you're in a group- otherwise recovery time is too slow.
 
2013-10-16 10:40:48 AM  

apoptotic: MindStalker: Carn: ocd002: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

True. Lets not forget that every single jobs bill the president put forth was voted down while the GOP has been mute on jobs since the 2008 election.

The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha

If the Republicans kick out the tea party and the tea party folks run as 3rd party, they could split the vote enough to give wins to the Democrats.

And that is why the GOP won't kick the Tea Party out.


Yep.  Look at the 2010 Colorado Governor's race.   They took a race that the GOP were probably slightly favored to win, Tom Tancredo spit off and made it a 3 party race, and the Democrat ended up winning in a landslide.    That's why the GOP will never kick out 30-50% of their voting block.
 
2013-10-16 10:48:03 AM  

DemonEater: Lost Thought 00: Clinton carried the state in 96 - in large part due to Perot splitting the vote. It's gotten more and more Republican every cycle since

Gore played no small part in that.

So it's kinda funny that he lost it himself four years later.

/funny in a hundreds of thousands of people dead, trillions of dollars wasted, and a global recession way


This one statement sums up the Bush years and Republican policies and leadership nicely.  These three results of Republican policy should negate the need for any political discussion about whether "both sides are bad", who someone should vote for,  etc.

And yet, the TEA party was formed, ostensibly, because the Republic Party wasn't conservative enough!
 
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