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(The New Republic)   Don't mistake what happened yesterday in Washington for anything other than what it was: the final spasm of a still-fresh corpse, the corpse being the GOP's legitimacy as a political entity   (newrepublic.com) divider line 215
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2013-10-16 08:47:24 AM

Weaver95: netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?

I'm not sure I understand what it is you are trying to say....


He's saying he's taxed enough already. The potato undercurrent is slight, very subtle. Someone must have written that for him.
 
2013-10-16 08:47:25 AM
Maybe it would be if people actually paid attention...

www.people-press.org

But you can't have figures like this if people generally hated republicans, farkers get in kinda an echo chamber and not necessarily a political one but one where because everyone else here happens to know a lot about politics they project that onto the general population.
 
2013-10-16 08:47:44 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...

He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.


Well played, sir. 1 internet for you.
 
2013-10-16 08:47:53 AM
Just not very well, obviously.
 
2013-10-16 08:50:22 AM
Stupid WYSIWYG editor, hiding the fact I posted the wrong link!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-16 08:50:26 AM

Great_Milenko: Calling the GOP dead is as short sighted as Karl Rove's "permanent republican majority" statement.  If they can man up and jettison the malcontents and loudmouths, they can become a viable partner in the governing of America.

The democrats did the same thing in the early 90's when they pushed Jesse Jackson to the side.  Get rid of the teabaggers and they'll be fine.  They don't have to abandon their principles, they just have to get rid of the people in the party who don't believe in the idea of government.


What evidence have you seen in the past 6 months that suggest any non-Tea Party GOP members are capable and/or willing to do that? We're like a day away from default and still Cruz and Co are throwing out "Hey let's neuter the Treasury!" suggestions as part of their "negotiaions". The time for the GOP to jettison their malcontents and loudmouths was 3 weeks ago.

I mean I agree with you, the GOP would be fine if they got rid of the Tea Party, and in fact would probably be healthier than the Dems, just because ObamaCare is imperfect/having problems and the natural momentum of a midterm election in the second term of an opposition President. But they need to actually, you know, have some balls and be willing to do something about it. God isn't going to rapture these Tea Pary fools at 11:59 tonight and solve all our problems.
 
2013-10-16 08:51:40 AM
I want to see how many House Republicans end up voting for the Senate Bill.   It will highlight how many GOPers are holding onto moderate purple districts that are in play for 2014.  If only a smattering of GOP vote for the Senate Bill, the outlook of flipping the House in 2014 doesn't look good.    If a GOPer doesn't vote for it, that means there is still more pressure for them  being primaried from the right flank than there is from the left or middle among their constituents.
 
2013-10-16 08:52:03 AM

Smidge204: Stupid WYSIWYG editor, hiding the fact I posted the wrong link!

[i.imgur.com image 600x422]


I thought the first comic was a bit minimalist...
 
2013-10-16 08:52:42 AM

WippitGuud: hardinparamedic: Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?!

[images.wikia.com image 850x637]

You SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATE the potential danger the democrats pose. This shutdown will continue. And fear will keep the local gerrymandered districts in line.

I always wondered....

If Boehner is Tarkin... does that make Cruz Vader?


I think of Cruz as more of a Gen. Motti type.  Admit it, if you got mind choke powers for a day that would be the douche you'd use it on.
 
2013-10-16 08:53:12 AM

Deneb81: DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.

If he was nothing but GWB3, then why would the Republicans NOT like him?

And until Obama starts a program of firing career, non-political employees, and replacing them solely from barely accredited liberal arts colleges based on political affiliation it's not the same. Oh, and Bush 3 would have had us in Libya and Syria with boots on the ground.


This.

I get dislike for Obama on everything from Gitmo to domestic spying, but if youthink he was Bush 3, then your head is up your ass.
 
2013-10-16 08:54:22 AM
The most terrifying thing to me about our brush with nuclear meltdown (in a best case scenario that default is averted) is no one will learn anything. I have no confidence voters or anyone else will ever punish the GOP. This will keep happening until everything is just rubble, ruins, and chicken feathers.
 
2013-10-16 08:55:03 AM
John Boner will crash the entire world economy to keep the extra $49k a year he gets as speaker
 
2013-10-16 08:55:27 AM
... and nothing of value was lost.

Bonus:  All the threats to replace Boehner were hollow.  Nobody wants his job.  He'll limp on as a lame duck Speaker for as long as the GOP holds the House
 
2013-10-16 08:56:30 AM

Bendal: Muta: Has Boner tried sending a clean CR bill anda clean debt ceiling limit bill to the floor for a simple Up/Down vote?

If not, why not?


Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.


What would be funny is if they managed to split the caucus and get Nancy Pelosi elected as speaker again.
 
2013-10-16 08:56:32 AM

Smidge204: Stupid WYSIWYG editor, hiding the fact I posted the wrong link!

[i.imgur.com image 600x422]


They've got a newspaper print comic now, by the way! 'S called Heavenly Nostrils. .. It is rather entertaining. (I read it on gocomics or whatever)
 
2013-10-16 08:56:46 AM

raatz01: The most terrifying thing to me about our brush with nuclear meltdown (in a best case scenario that default is averted) is no one will learn anything. I have no confidence voters or anyone else will ever punish the GOP. This will keep happening until everything is just rubble, ruins, and chicken feathers.


Nope, that is enough for them to keep farking. they will keep going.
 
2013-10-16 08:58:01 AM

Weaver95: It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.


teenmomtalk.com
 
2013-10-16 08:58:06 AM

Weaver95: netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?

I'm not sure I understand what it is you are trying to say....


derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-taxnspendlibrulobummercareizgonnatakemuhjerb c ryingscreechingeagle-derp-derp-derp
 
2013-10-16 08:58:15 AM
Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
The biggest sentiment across House R world, from our table to their talks w/ pals: disappointment. Disappointment w/ lack of strategy

Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
There's not a push to get rid of Boehner. Not at all. The disappointment was twd Boehner, Cantor for listening too much to a bloc of 20

"Suicide caucus" from the figure going around is 80 Rs.  Yesterday they were saying it was a group of 50 Rs blocking the "new" House bill from going forward.  Now it's down to 20 guys causing all this mess.

Either 3/4 of the "suicide caucus" had a sincere change of heart or a "core group of 20" convinced everyone they were more powerful than they really were.
 
2013-10-16 08:58:33 AM

CPennypacker: John Boner will crash the entire world economy to keep the extra $49k a year he gets as speaker


Here's an artist rendition of Boner with his 49k buying a loaf of bread after he destroys the economy.

omiusajpic.org

personally I don't think the artist made him tan enough but whatever...
 
2013-10-16 08:59:22 AM

pueblonative: What would be funny is if they managed to split the caucus and get Nancy Pelosi elected as speaker again


How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?


CPennypacker: John Boner will crash the entire world economy to keep the extra $49k a year he gets as speaker


I don't thinkhe is that dumb. I think he is playing until the last second so he can tell the teatards he fought the good fight.
/at least I hope...
 
2013-10-16 09:00:20 AM

InmanRoshi: I want to see how many House Republicans end up voting for the Senate Bill.   It will highlight how many GOPers are holding onto moderate purple districts that are in play for 2014.


It'll be 18.

The GOP demonstrated with the Ryan budget that they will make votes they hope they wont win in order to take home campaign soundbites. For this one they will work out which 18 face the least threat of a 'bagger primary challenge and get them to vote for the bill so the rest of them can go home and say they fought it all the way.
 
2013-10-16 09:00:23 AM

Corvus: eurotrash: By playing it this way they will most likely keep the house, the gerrymandering and the focusing of the establishement to fight the Tea party will maintain the balance as it is now. The people will have forgotten about this derp by the time 2014 elections come along but the tea party crazy will carry over.

And you think the Tea Party will not pull another one of these derp fests by then?


They seem determined to rig one up every financial quarter. And I guarantee you they are going to continue to try to deny the entire female population basic healthcare because thats what Jesus would want.
 
2013-10-16 09:01:25 AM

liam76: How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives# Me mber_officials


Theoretically, the speaker doesn't even need to be a representative.  Of course, theoretically I could end up banging Kate Upton too.
 
2013-10-16 09:03:52 AM

liam76: pueblonative: What would be funny is if they managed to split the caucus and get Nancy Pelosi elected as speaker again

How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?


CPennypacker: John Boner will crash the entire world economy to keep the extra $49k a year he gets as speaker

I don't thinkhe is that dumb. I think he is playing until the last second so he can tell the teatards he fought the good fight.
/at least I hope...


Nobody wants his farking job anyway
 
2013-10-16 09:04:31 AM
Does anyone remember that scene in Rome where Marc Antony is supposed to veto a symbolic measure to declare Caesar an outlaw but gets shouted down by a mob of senators before he can actually raise the veto, with the end result being the destruction of the Republic over a measure that no one, including the people who raised it, wanted to actually pass?

Yeah, I'm kind of getting that feeling while watching this mess. Let's hope that the consequences for our own republic won't be as dire.
 
2013-10-16 09:05:40 AM

netweavr: Weaver95: It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.

[teenmomtalk.com image 480x600]


Netweavr you have no poetry in your soul. Go read some Rilke' or at least some Kipling ffs.
 
2013-10-16 09:05:42 AM

pueblonative: liam76: How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives# Me mber_officials


Theoretically, the speaker doesn't even need to be a representative.  Of course, theoretically I could end up banging Kate Upton too.


Yeah, in the sense that the Pope doesn't have to be a Cardinal
 
2013-10-16 09:05:59 AM
It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.
 
2013-10-16 09:06:21 AM
ariseatex:
Either 3/4 of the "suicide caucus" had a sincere change of heart or a "core group of 20" convinced everyone they were more powerful than they really were.

No, this is going to be like when the police count drug money. In two hours it will be all, "I don't understand how 10 guys could have so much influence." Tomorrow: "A core group of 5 Republicans." By the end of the week: "What suicide caucus?"
 
2013-10-16 09:07:07 AM

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


This will get some bites
 
2013-10-16 09:08:22 AM

Lost Thought 00: pueblonative: liam76: How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives# Me mber_officials


Theoretically, the speaker doesn't even need to be a representative.  Of course, theoretically I could end up banging Kate Upton too.

Yeah, in the sense that the Pope doesn't have to be a Cardinal


Hence the word theoretically.  Still it would be funny for the Repubs to split their house and the Democratics to vote for Obama as speaker just to troll the hell out of the GOP.
 
2013-10-16 09:09:25 AM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Does anyone remember that scene in Rome where Marc Antony is supposed to veto a symbolic measure to declare Caesar an outlaw but gets shouted down by a mob of senators before he can actually raise the veto, with the end result being the destruction of the Republic over a measure that no one, including the people who raised it, wanted to actually pass?

Yeah, I'm kind of getting that feeling while watching this mess. Let's hope that the consequences for our own republic won't be as dire.


Dan Carlin's "Death Throes of the Republic"

I have to admit that listening to this seemed far too much like listening to the news for my comfort.

And don't miss the other 5 episodes of this series.  Or anything else by him, for that matter.
 
2013-10-16 09:10:34 AM

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


I know.  Both sides ARE bad.  But, obviously, the Democrats are worse.  Amirite?
 
2013-10-16 09:14:14 AM

Skleenar: snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.

I know.  Both sides ARE bad.  But, obviously, the Democrats are worse.  Amirite?


They certainly sound worse when you tell blatant lies.
 
2013-10-16 09:14:26 AM

CPennypacker: John Boner will crash the entire world economy to keep the extra $49k a year he gets as speaker


That'll buy a lot of cheap wine in Ohio.
 
2013-10-16 09:14:45 AM

ArtosRC: You got a cleaner version? I'd like to hold on to that, but it's kind of blurry.


That was just the first GIS I found of it.  There's probably others out there.
 
2013-10-16 09:14:56 AM

pueblonative: liam76: How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives# Me mber_officials

Theoretically, the speaker doesn't even need to be a representative.  Of course, theoretically I could end up banging Kate Upton too.


Let the House Rs split between Boehner and Cantor, then the Ds can vote Hillary in as Speaker.
 
2013-10-16 09:15:29 AM

Skleenar: snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.

I know.  Both sides ARE bad.  But, obviously, the Democrats are worse.  Amirite?


Are you right? No. But you're a troll.
Buh-bye now.
plonk.
 
2013-10-16 09:15:55 AM

clkeagle: I know. Both sides ARE bad. But, obviously, the Democrats are worse. Amirite?

They certainly sound worse when you tell blatant lies.


It takes two to lie:  One to lie, and one to listen.  Shame on you, libtard.
 
2013-10-16 09:16:42 AM

Skleenar: clkeagle: I know. Both sides ARE bad. But, obviously, the Democrats are worse. Amirite?

They certainly sound worse when you tell blatant lies.

It takes two to lie:  One to lie, and one to listen.  Shame on you, libtard.


Let that be a lesson to us all:  the next time you see a teaderp open his mouth, take him out.
 
2013-10-16 09:16:43 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Skleenar: snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.

I know.  Both sides ARE bad.  But, obviously, the Democrats are worse.  Amirite?

Are you right? No. But you're a troll.
Buh-bye now.
plonk.


Somebody needs a new sarcasm meter.
 
2013-10-16 09:16:44 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Skleenar: snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.

I know.  Both sides ARE bad.  But, obviously, the Democrats are worse.  Amirite?

Are you right? No. But you're a troll.
Buh-bye now.
plonk.


Belay that plonk.

/Misread.
 
2013-10-16 09:18:11 AM

Funk Brothers: It's only going to get worse for the GOP if they continue down the current path. American conservatism in its current form has run its course. The Sixth Party System which began in 1968 with the election of Nixon is effectively over. As a Republican, I'm disgusted with the Tea Party and their crazy folks. I can see why Obama never wanted to negotiate with them again.

What Republicans need to do is to become compassionate again, get businesses to invest again, and know that sometimes raising taxes is ok when the timing is right. Go ask Governor Kasich of Ohio on why it's important to expand Medicaid to the poor, why he's making deals with businesses, why he attempted to tax the fracking business, and why he just stays out on the same-sex marriage issue. We need less Ted Cruzes, we need more Pope Francises in our party.


WTF is this?  If you're the same Funk Brothers I've seen in this forum lo these many years I don't even know what to say.  Truly the cause of the modern GOP is sunk.  For what it's worth, if you guys manage to pull your party back to Eisenhower-style policy platforms, I would welcome that.
 
2013-10-16 09:18:55 AM
Great article, with so many great lines such as: A few savvy congressional reporters lamented that we'd lost an entire day while Boehner took a final lap around the mental institution he runs
 
2013-10-16 09:19:19 AM

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


1.5/10

old material is old.
 
2013-10-16 09:21:53 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: Boehner couldn't lead House Republicans to an open bar right now.


I thought the House of Representatives already was an open bar?
 
2013-10-16 09:22:01 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Belay that plonk.


www.thefirearmblog.com

Phew!
 
2013-10-16 09:22:37 AM

Skleenar: clkeagle: I know. Both sides ARE bad. But, obviously, the Democrats are worse. Amirite?

They certainly sound worse when you tell blatant lies.

It takes two to lie:  One to lie, and one to listen.  Shame on you, libtard.


That's way too inefficient. Which is why they invented Fox News - mass proderption.
 
2013-10-16 09:23:24 AM

AngryDragon: If the Dems stay away from gun control they will control 100% if the government for the next 10 years after this.


It only took two years for the dullards to forget the Bush years and once again vote Republican.
 
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