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2013-10-16 08:20:04 AM

somedude210: Weaver95: It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.

It's amazing what we let the crazies get away with sometimes. What's funny "irony" is that this will probably do what they feared would happen and create a dictatorship in the country. Self-fulfilling prophecy assholes


If the theocrats win then I am a dead man. They'll kill me just on general principal.
 
2013-10-16 08:20:05 AM
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2013-10-16 08:20:12 AM

Albino Squid: And scary. Now, they're scared of shadows. Give them macropolitical changes that are both genuinely damaging to American interests and out of their control? Oh lawd.


Part of the advantage that comes with having such control over global economics is that the United States has immense influences with other countries in terms of using it's military, and exercising it's global military power. Take away that economic power, and shift it into the hands of another country with a larger standing military and an immense budget to match that, say China, and you have the potential on your hands for another cold war and military arms race.
 
2013-10-16 08:22:01 AM
Boehner couldn't lead House Republicans to an open bar right now.
 
2013-10-16 08:22:02 AM

DemonEater: Political science people and beltway journalists have been proclaiming these are GOP death throes for a long time now.

Nope.

Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office.  Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.


Yep, I don't expect to see anything change in Tennessee.
 
2013-10-16 08:22:12 AM
Has Boner tried sending a clean CR bill anda clean debt ceiling limit bill to the floor for a simple Up/Down vote?

If not, why not?
 
2013-10-16 08:22:25 AM

Skleenar: Corvus: And then blame Obama for what they caused.

[imageshack.us image 750x528]

Amazing how often this image is relevant


You got a cleaner version? I'd like to hold on to that, but it's kind of blurry.
 
2013-10-16 08:22:58 AM
Calling the GOP dead is as short sighted as Karl Rove's "permanent republican majority" statement.  If they can man up and jettison the malcontents and loudmouths, they can become a viable partner in the governing of America.

The democrats did the same thing in the early 90's when they pushed Jesse Jackson to the side.  Get rid of the teabaggers and they'll be fine.  They don't have to abandon their principles, they just have to get rid of the people in the party who don't believe in the idea of government.
 
2013-10-16 08:23:00 AM

born_yesterday: ghall3: If there's one thing I know about today's GOP it's that they will take the rest of us down with them...

My favorite FB derp this morning?  An image with the text:

[  ] Democrat
[  ]Republican
[X] Angry American

So, do you think the comments were filled with people who were angry about the cost of the Republican obstructionism? Do you think for a second that a single one of those shiat-eating fark heads had ANYTHING negative to say about the Republicans?  It was all about how the ACA is going to doom us all.

That's where they are right now.  They're pissed---they they lost, that the black guy won, however you want to look at it.  And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is find one that supported GW.  Buncha farking ignorant crybabies.


The only bright spot is that the nutjobs ARE still a minority, and I think the independents and more reasonable republicans who might have supported them in the part are so disgusted and embarrassed at this point that they'll finally find a way to marginalize them, as they should have been all along.
 
2013-10-16 08:23:05 AM
It's only going to get worse for the GOP if they continue down the current path. American conservatism in its current form has run its course. The Sixth Party System which began in 1968 with the election of Nixon is effectively over. As a Republican, I'm disgusted with the Tea Party and their crazy folks. I can see why Obama never wanted to negotiate with them again.

What Republicans need to do is to become compassionate again, get businesses to invest again, and know that sometimes raising taxes is ok when the timing is right. Go ask Governor Kasich of Ohio on why it's important to expand Medicaid to the poor, why he's making deals with businesses, why he attempted to tax the fracking business, and why he just stays out on the same-sex marriage issue. We need less Ted Cruzes, we need more Pope Francises in our party.
 
2013-10-16 08:24:07 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: Boehner couldn't lead House Republicans to an open bar right now.


Ideas, he is kinda making history as the weakest speaker to ever be inflicted in the US government in the past 80 years or so.
 
2013-10-16 08:24:12 AM

MindStalker: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Doctor Funkenstein: Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...

He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.

welcome to favorites.  do you have a color preference?

Is Bla a color?


This is FARK.  We don't see color here.
 
2013-10-16 08:24:12 AM

T-Servo: I'm not sure I like the headline's metaphor, seeing as a zombie apocalypse is what we're fearing the most now.

/need some new mods for my baseball bat


Screw zombies, worry about something real, like the explosive release of gas, once full decomposition sets in.
 
2013-10-16 08:24:52 AM
Oh fark you iPad autocorrect.
 
2013-10-16 08:25:01 AM

Muta: Has Boner tried sending a clean CR bill anda clean debt ceiling limit bill to the floor for a simple Up/Down vote?

If not, why not?



Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.
 
2013-10-16 08:27:40 AM

scumshine: Yep, I don't expect to see anything change in Tennessee.


The only reason the Republicans don't carry Tennessee is that the urban areas tend to overwhelmingly vote democrat while the rural areas vote otherwise.
 
2013-10-16 08:28:24 AM
lol if you think republicans will suffer any actual consequences for the shut down, long term or short term

just lol
 
2013-10-16 08:28:39 AM
I have to say I think Boehner and McConnell has been playing this very smart, and no I am not ironic.
The old republican guard want to get the Tea party since they can't win the senate with them, and also primaries.

By playing it this way they will most likely keep the house, the gerrymandering and the focusing of the establishement to fight the Tea party will maintain the balance as it is now. The people will have forgotten about this derp by the time 2014 elections come along but the tea party crazy will carry over.

Now the smart thing they did was not only to expose tea party as unable to govern but by creating the bill to open government and avoid default in the senate they have made senate republicans look good. All of a sudden senate republicans are appealing to independents again, so in short:

House is safe republican in 2014, midterms are always better for R
Senate became sane again and greatly increases the R chances to grab the missing seats back.

Smart play, I have to say it looks impressive
 
2013-10-16 08:28:57 AM

Bendal: Cantor as SoH.


Cantor is actually the most hated man in Virginia right now. I doubt he'd make it as SotH

I think the Democrats would vote Boehner in because the devil you know is better than the Cantor you hate
 
2013-10-16 08:29:18 AM

Great_Milenko: Calling the GOP dead is as short sighted as Karl Rove's "permanent republican majority" statement.  If they can man up and jettison the malcontents and loudmouths, they can become a viable partner in the governing of America.

The democrats did the same thing in the early 90's when they pushed Jesse Jackson to the side.  Get rid of the teabaggers and they'll be fine.  They don't have to abandon their principles, they just have to get rid of the people in the party who don't believe in the idea of government.


The entire party chases the Starve the Beast ideology. There will be no fixing this.
 
2013-10-16 08:29:47 AM

Bendal: Muta: Has Boner tried sending a clean CR bill anda clean debt ceiling limit bill to the floor for a simple Up/Down vote?

If not, why not?


Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.


I can't remember, does the entire house vote on the Speaker, or just the party? Even if Democrats couldn't support Boehner  over the teabagger nominee, why would the non-teabaggers (who are supposedly sick of these shenigans) vote for Cantor over Boehner?
 
2013-10-16 08:29:52 AM

Bendal: Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.


Not contradicting you, but just asking: If that were to happen, wouldn't the moderate Republicans come to defend Boehner in that vote to let him keep the job?
 
2013-10-16 08:30:04 AM

Weaver95: Oh fark you iPad autocorrect.


You can type on FARK on an iPad?

Fark's entry thing is so f'd up for mobile I have to grab my computer to respond to anything.
 
2013-10-16 08:30:05 AM

Weaver95: Oh fark you iPad autocorrect.


Maybe that's why they suspended the vote.  Bad autocorrect could have changed the language.  Yeah, that's the ticket!
 
2013-10-16 08:30:17 AM

hardinparamedic: Albino Squid: And scary. Now, they're scared of shadows. Give them macropolitical changes that are both genuinely damaging to American interests and out of their control? Oh lawd.

Part of the advantage that comes with having such control over global economics is that the United States has immense influences with other countries in terms of using it's military, and exercising it's global military power. Take away that economic power, and shift it into the hands of another country with a larger standing military and an immense budget to match that, say China, and you have the potential on your hands for another cold war and military arms race.


Especially because the fear and irrationality that has permeated parts of the right would, as America's economic power declined, likely infect a greater portion of the political culture. Some of the people involved in the first cold war were legitimately insane, but there was still a general undercurrent of good governance in most quarters. Mix an unshakable belief in American exceptionalism, prolonged economic malaise and the rise of a genuinely economically and militarily superior opponent with the tidal wave of derp and she's all on the table.
 
2013-10-16 08:31:22 AM

eurotrash: By playing it this way they will most likely keep the house, the gerrymandering and the focusing of the establishement to fight the Tea party will maintain the balance as it is now. The people will have forgotten about this derp by the time 2014 elections come along but the tea party crazy will carry over.


And you think the Tea Party will not pull another one of these derp fests by then?
 
2013-10-16 08:31:34 AM

Lost Thought 00: I do have to say that this whole episode has strengthed Obama tremendously. Still don't think Dems will maintain their polling lead through 2014 in order to take the House.


Hey, the Republicans have a whole year to make asses of themselves, and they seem bound and determined to do it. And don't forget, this episode has drawn the ire of the business community, and they are unlikely to forget about this as quickly as the general public. Republicans looking for campaign funds are likely to experience a rude awakening when they approach the usual big donors with palms outstretched. But hey, all those Tea Partiers on Social Security and Medicaid can surely make up the difference, right?
 
2013-10-16 08:31:52 AM

blastoh: Lost Thought 00: I do have to say that this whole episode has strengthed Obama tremendously. Still don't think Dems will maintain their polling lead through 2014 in order to take the House.

I think this is another reason why the GOP is pushing so hard RIGHT NOW.  This still gives them time to let the public forget.   Primary season kicks off in about 4-5 months the the main.  So it was be desperate now, or let it go


Yup. I saw a quote a day or two ago (unfortunately I forget where) in which one of them was saying they only wanted a short term CR and debt ceiling extension because they don't want to be in a position of having a yearlong deal expire right before the election.
 
2013-10-16 08:32:52 AM
If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?
 
2013-10-16 08:34:11 AM

Corvus: Weaver95: Oh fark you iPad autocorrect.

You can type on FARK on an iPad?

Fark's entry thing is so f'd up for mobile I have to grab my computer to respond to anything.


Not very well, but yeah. It'll do well enough.
 
2013-10-16 08:35:53 AM

netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?


I'm not sure I understand what it is you are trying to say....
 
2013-10-16 08:36:17 AM

Corvus: eurotrash: By playing it this way they will most likely keep the house, the gerrymandering and the focusing of the establishement to fight the Tea party will maintain the balance as it is now. The people will have forgotten about this derp by the time 2014 elections come along but the tea party crazy will carry over.

And you think the Tea Party will not pull another one of these derp fests by then?


I count on it but that derp will more likely make establishment GOP win theri primaries, but as I said the House is safe GOP in 2014, the battle is in the senate that now is looking better.
 
2013-10-16 08:36:35 AM

DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.


Has anyone else noticed that the disillusioned attitude DrPainMD advocates is the same one that would most likely lead to a high rate of Republican incumbency in the 2014 election? Both sides, though. Bad.
 
2013-10-16 08:37:08 AM

netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?


You have trouble with thoughts and stuff, right?
 
2013-10-16 08:38:52 AM

balki1867: Bendal: Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.

Not contradicting you, but just asking: If that were to happen, wouldn't the moderate Republicans come to defend Boehner in that vote to let him keep the job?



The explanation I've heard about this says that renominating Boehner as Speaker puts the Republicans right back where they are now; leaderless. Someone else who could weld the party back together would be preferable to him; a lot of non-Teabag Republicans tend to vote with them out of fear of being primaried in 2014. Since we've already seen that the Teabaggers aren't following orders from the moderate wing of the GOP, it's likely they'd try to vote in a Speaker more like them, and the moderates would be likely to support him out of party loyalty.
 
2013-10-16 08:40:03 AM

Albino Squid: And scary. Now, they're scared of shadows. Give them macropolitical changes that are both genuinely damaging to American interests and out of their control? Oh lawd.


Thing is, it's well within their control right now.  They're manufacturing, for no reason at all, this political crisis along with the government default and economic chaos that go with it.  It's totally in their control.  They can pass a clean CR and raise the debt limit (or repeal the damn debt limit law once and for all), and it would do wonders to strengthen the US economy and to confirm America's reserve currency position.

But these are teabaggers.  They want to burn the country because Jesus.
 
2013-10-16 08:40:56 AM
I missed the all-important "let's briefly pause so Boehner can flail helplessly while the entire world looks on in horror before we officially end this thing" step in the process...

Boehner, as is his wont, simply unpinned a grenade he knew he didn't have the arm-strength to throw.


I LOL'd.
 
2013-10-16 08:41:02 AM

hardinparamedic: scumshine: Yep, I don't expect to see anything change in Tennessee.

The only reason the Republicans don't carry Tennessee is that the urban areas tend to overwhelmingly vote democrat while the rural areas vote otherwise.


I know Memphis and Nashville are Demo bastions while the rest of TN is Republican. We've got Alexander and Corker who are our Republican Senators. I thought Corker was somewhat reasonable (till he insulted the president last month.) The east has all those suicide caucus members....I'm amazed that Marsha Blackburn and Stephen Fincher (both batshiat crazy suburban tea pots) from my area didn't join the suicides.
 
2013-10-16 08:41:20 AM
And the funny thing is, it's now basically come down to whether one man, Boehner, will put the interests of the country above his own. Something that he is supposed to be doing every day, as his job.
 
2013-10-16 08:41:56 AM

netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?


Enough to provide the essential services the federal government needs to provide.
 
2013-10-16 08:43:57 AM

HMS_Blinkin: They want to burn the country because Jesus.


Which is a point that needs to be repeated in this conversation often. You can't reason with people who honestly believe that God is on their side, and they are the last bastion of Christ in a heathen world that hates them for that alone.

When you believe that your personal political decisions will have a hand in the end times and the glorious return of your savior, you tend to be a death-seeker who doesn't care if his/her country will burn or not.

This is one of the reasons for the Tea Party/Far Right mentality. These people are just another chapter in the episode of the people who believe the "end times" are upon us and neigh.
 
2013-10-16 08:44:03 AM

Deneb81: And until Obama starts a program of firing career, non-political employees, and replacing them solely from barely accredited liberal arts colleges based on political affiliation it's not the same.


You're giving Bush too much credit; his second Secretary of Transportation was a graduate of the University of Phoenix. No, I'm not kidding.
 
2013-10-16 08:45:11 AM
" After which John Boehner would tearfully bring it to the floor of the House in defiance of the so-called Hastert Rule (requiring a majority of House Republicans to support a bill before it can come to a vote),"

So. The entire GOP (barring a dozen or so crazies) is fully aware that the debt ceiling needs to be raised to our economy doesn't get tossed in the wood chipper but they are too cowardly to actually do it because they will get primaried because they have spent the last 5 years whipping their base up into a frenzy. So instead they are going to rely on the Democrats to to the adult thing and provide almost all the votes required to pass this thing and then draw straws to see who on the Republican side will make the necessary votes. Then all the rest of the GOP will proudly go home and declare how they fought the debt ceiling all the way to the final vote where they were defeated by a bunch of turncoats.

TBH, sometimes I wish the consequences of this thing would be a little more temporary so the Democrats could all vote "Present" and let the GOP swing in the wind on this one. Just say "fark you, you disingenuous assholes, if you want this thing raised then you can expend your own damn political capital to do it".

Kinda like how the GOP were relying on Democrats to defeat the Right Wing Fantasy Ryan Budget a year or so ago and then had to go change their votes to "NO" when the Democrats gave them a green light to pass it by all voting Present, because even the GOP knew it would be disastrous for the country to actually implement, they just all wanted to say they voted for the conservative budget in their campaigns.
 
2013-10-16 08:45:16 AM

Funk Brothers: . As a Republican, I'm disgusted with the Tea Party and their crazy folks. I can see why Obama never wanted to negotiate with them again.


And yet, you and your fellow "moderates" cheered them on the entire time. Cry me a damn river.
 
2013-10-16 08:45:34 AM

apoptotic: Unfortunately, if what comes out of the Senate is anything other than a clean bill to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling, the GOP will claim they won. That's how the media will report it, and lo, that's how it shall be.

Boehner could* spin it that he punted the whole thing to the Senate in order to force Reid to agree to concessions, put him in his place etc.

*if he wasn't a fear-addled buffoon whose staff are likely (or at least should be) too pissed off over the Vitter Amendment shenanigans to help him spin anything more complicated than a hula hoop.


FUN FACT: Republicans were able to get a balanced budget agreement out of Clinton as a result of the shutdown back in the 1990's. Didn't stop the common belief that Republicans caused a self-inflicted political wound and won nothing for it from spreading. Hell, the most common complaint is that OBVIOUSLY they should have held out until they won, not that they should do it more often to extract more concessions.

Anyone who thinks swearing a battle to the death to defund Obamacare and walking out of it with a delay in the medical device and reinsurance taxes and/or the Vitter Amendment is Republican victory is crazy.
 
2013-10-16 08:45:36 AM

Skleenar: netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?

You have trouble with thoughts and stuff, right?


I have him noted as "pubtarded" in a lovely urine yellow....
 
2013-10-16 08:46:14 AM

Skleenar: Amazing how often this image is relevant


A lot of her comics are still applicable without any change at all. Like this one:

www.glasswings.com


=Smidge=
 
2013-10-16 08:46:18 AM

The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.


It's almost as if the good Doctor is just....  Trolling.

Unless the good Doctor would like to answer that question for us?
 
2013-10-16 08:46:23 AM

Elegy: Hahaha, you'll see. This is just Boehner's deeply laid strategy coming to fruition.

Obama will get his comeuppance, mark my words.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-10-16 08:47:18 AM

Corvus: Weaver95: Oh fark you iPad autocorrect. You can type on FARK on an iPad? Fark's entry thing is so f'd up for mobile I have to grab my computer to respond to anything.

switch from the formatting buttons to the HTML buttons, I've found that works for me.
 
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