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(The New Republic)   Don't mistake what happened yesterday in Washington for anything other than what it was: the final spasm of a still-fresh corpse, the corpse being the GOP's legitimacy as a political entity   (newrepublic.com) divider line 215
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2013-10-16 06:52:27 AM
If there's one thing I know about today's GOP it's that they will take the rest of us down with them...
 
2013-10-16 07:22:33 AM
I'm not sure I like the headline's metaphor, seeing as a zombie apocalypse is what we're fearing the most now.

/need some new mods for my baseball bat
 
2013-10-16 07:37:54 AM
Hahaha, you'll see. This is just Boehner's deeply laid strategy coming to fruition.

Obama will get his comeuppance, mark my words.
 
2013-10-16 07:42:24 AM
It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.
 
2013-10-16 07:42:27 AM
Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.
 
2013-10-16 07:42:31 AM
And what a spasm it was. Let's hope Rigor Mortis has set in before today's Senate vote.
 
2013-10-16 07:44:38 AM
I do have to say that this whole episode has strengthed Obama tremendously. Still don't think Dems will maintain their polling lead through 2014 in order to take the House.
 
2013-10-16 07:44:51 AM

Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.


Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.
 
2013-10-16 07:47:20 AM

DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.


Both sides are bad, so let's start an easily prevented global financial meltdown.
 
2013-10-16 07:47:30 AM

DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.


He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.
 
2013-10-16 07:47:55 AM
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2013-10-16 07:47:59 AM
Political science people and beltway journalists have been proclaiming these are GOP death throes for a long time now.

Nope.

Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office.  Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.
 
2013-10-16 07:49:25 AM

MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.


Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.
 
2013-10-16 07:50:43 AM

DrPainMD: Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.


GOt it. Both sides are bad so vote republican.
 
2013-10-16 07:51:03 AM
Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?!

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You SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATE the potential danger the democrats pose. This shutdown will continue. And fear will keep the local gerrymandered districts in line.
 
2013-10-16 07:52:09 AM

The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.


because hes just so Bla...
 
2013-10-16 07:52:17 AM

DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.


If he was nothing but GWB3, then why would the Republicans NOT like him?

And until Obama starts a program of firing career, non-political employees, and replacing them solely from barely accredited liberal arts colleges based on political affiliation it's not the same. Oh, and Bush 3 would have had us in Libya and Syria with boots on the ground.
 
2013-10-16 07:54:27 AM

DemonEater: Political science people and beltway journalists have been proclaiming these are GOP death throes for a long time now.

Nope.

Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office.  Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.


Oh they are dead, they just don't know it yet. Simple demographics have killed them. Their racist, sexist base is slowly dieing.

If only death panels were a real thing.
 
2013-10-16 07:54:29 AM

DrPainMD: Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.


I know.  Both sides are bad, amirite?
 
2013-10-16 07:54:46 AM

DrPainMD: Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.


Please explain? Oh wait, you're just spouting nonsense. Ok then. Great job buddy, that was a valid point, but maybe you want to go watch cartoons or something.
 
2013-10-16 07:54:55 AM
Unfortunately, if what comes out of the Senate is anything other than a clean bill to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling, the GOP will claim they won. That's how the media will report it, and lo, that's how it shall be.

Boehner could* spin it that he punted the whole thing to the Senate in order to force Reid to agree to concessions, put him in his place etc.

*if he wasn't a fear-addled buffoon whose staff are likely (or at least should be) too pissed off over the Vitter Amendment shenanigans to help him spin anything more complicated than a hula hoop.
 
2013-10-16 07:54:56 AM
These people don't have a plan, they just want to vote no against everything.
 
2013-10-16 07:55:32 AM

Lost Thought 00: And what a spasm it was. Let's hope Rigor Mortis has set in before today's Senate vote.


Rigor Mortis won't set in for another couple of years.
 
2013-10-16 07:56:26 AM

Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...


He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.
 
2013-10-16 07:56:32 AM

DemonEater: Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office. Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.


sure they will. Just like they were supposed to win the presidency and senate in 2012...and the senate and house in 2010. If they lose seats in the House, it'll be a very telling sign that their time has come. They have rigged the system to stay in power. If that system fails them, then that means they're pretty screwed, and in a fair districting system, they'd get their asses handed to them.

When you rig the system, even a small loss is a giant victory for the other side
 
2013-10-16 07:56:47 AM

ghall3: If there's one thing I know about today's GOP it's that they will take the rest of us down with them...


My favorite FB derp this morning?  An image with the text:

[  ] Democrat
[  ]Republican
[X] Angry American

So, do you think the comments were filled with people who were angry about the cost of the Republican obstructionism? Do you think for a second that a single one of those shiat-eating fark heads had ANYTHING negative to say about the Republicans?  It was all about how the ACA is going to doom us all.

That's where they are right now.  They're pissed---they they lost, that the black guy won, however you want to look at it.  And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is find one that supported GW.  Buncha farking ignorant crybabies.
 
2013-10-16 07:56:59 AM

Corvus: These people don't have a plan, they just want to vote no against everything.


You know, the funny thing is that they're going to keep up with the American Exceptionalism and farking over the global economy, and other countries are going to get tired of this shiat and restructure their financial and economic markets such that America is no longer the center, but rather the outlier.

China's already taking advantage of the chaos to call for it.
 
2013-10-16 07:58:26 AM

DemonEater: Political science people and beltway journalists have been proclaiming these are GOP death throes for a long time now.

Nope.

Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office.  Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.


Even with the house, this episode has exposed them as hopelessly fractured and they've already shown the competition all of their trick plays.
 
2013-10-16 08:00:00 AM
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.
 
2013-10-16 08:01:06 AM

hardinparamedic: Corvus: These people don't have a plan, they just want to vote no against everything.

You know, the funny thing is that they're going to keep up with the American Exceptionalism and farking over the global economy, and other countries are going to get tired of this shiat and restructure their financial and economic markets such that America is no longer the center, but rather the outlier.

China's already taking advantage of the chaos to call for it.



And then blame Obama for what they caused.
 
2013-10-16 08:03:23 AM
Meh
 
2013-10-16 08:03:41 AM

Elegy: Hahaha, you'll see. This is just Boehner's deeply laid strategy coming to fruition.

Obama will get his comeuppance, mark my words.


skeery
 
2013-10-16 08:04:08 AM

DemonEater: Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office. Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.


I realize my FB experiences are anecdotal, but these people will NEVER change their minds or their votes.  The ACA is the most evil thing ever, guaranteed to destroy America, Obama is the most incompetent president ever, and all of the Democrats are the idiots.  Since they have a remarkable resistance to facts, reason, and logic, they're never going to see or read anything that changes their mind.
 
2013-10-16 08:04:21 AM

born_yesterday: ghall3: If there's one thing I know about today's GOP it's that they will take the rest of us down with them...

My favorite FB derp this morning?  An image with the text:

[  ] Democrat
[  ]Republican
[X] Angry American

So, do you think the comments were filled with people who were angry about the cost of the Republican obstructionism? Do you think for a second that a single one of those shiat-eating fark heads had ANYTHING negative to say about the Republicans?  It was all about how the ACA is going to doom us all.

That's where they are right now.  They're pissed---they they lost, that the black guy won, however you want to look at it.  And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is find one that supported GW.  Buncha farking ignorant crybabies.


That's the part that really gets me. I don't see how anyone can be standing behind the republicans at this point, yet here we are. I do like McCain's comment today though (or maybe last night) something along the lines of "Time to grow up, we knew we were going to lose, we lost, let's get back to work and fight another day".  People need to realize that is the reality, but it really seems like it is too late for that at this point too many people are living in their own realities that have nothing to do with what is actually happening
 
2013-10-16 08:04:33 AM

DrPainMD: Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.


Amusing how people trot that both sides are bad only when there is something wrong with the GOP. Well, your concern in trying to downplay the screw-ups GOP and your goal to derail the thread into a discussion how the democrats are bad are noted.
 
2013-10-16 08:04:38 AM

Corvus: hardinparamedic: Corvus: These people don't have a plan, they just want to vote no against everything.

You know, the funny thing is that they're going to keep up with the American Exceptionalism and farking over the global economy, and other countries are going to get tired of this shiat and restructure their financial and economic markets such that America is no longer the center, but rather the outlier.

China's already taking advantage of the chaos to call for it.


And then blame Obama for what they caused.


Or gay marriage. Or Abortion. Or godless communists.

Or the lack of "Traditional Christian Values (TM)"

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Whatever gets the 45+ (The average age of a Republican Voter is 45) crowd out of their rascals and recliners away from Fox News to vote.
 
2013-10-16 08:05:19 AM

Weaver95: It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.


It's amazing what we let the crazies get away with sometimes. What's funny "irony" is that this will probably do what they feared would happen and create a dictatorship in the country. Self-fulfilling prophecy assholes
 
2013-10-16 08:06:05 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...

He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.


welcome to favorites.  do you have a color preference?
 
2013-10-16 08:06:07 AM

Corvus: And then blame Obama for what they caused.


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Amazing how often this image is relevant
 
2013-10-16 08:07:04 AM

hardinparamedic: Corvus: These people don't have a plan, they just want to vote no against everything.

You know, the funny thing is that they're going to keep up with the American Exceptionalism and farking over the global economy, and other countries are going to get tired of this shiat and restructure their financial and economic markets such that America is no longer the center, but rather the outlier.

China's already taking advantage of the chaos to call for it.


America has maybe two or three years to get its shiat together, before the Eurozone stabilizes enough to look like a safer long-term prospect. fark about longer and the reserve currency status that makes America's debt so manageable will start to be chipped away bit by bit.
 
2013-10-16 08:09:31 AM

DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.


Why would they keep their word?  Men and women of honor do that.  Did you not know this?
 
2013-10-16 08:10:27 AM

Albino Squid: America has maybe two or three years to get its shiat together, before the Eurozone stabilizes enough to look like a safer long-term prospect. fark about longer and the reserve currency status that makes America's debt so manageable will start to be chipped away bit by bit.


The scary thing is that the shift to a sinocentric global economic situation would probably be feeding into the Right's paranoia and desires to tighten government control of personal freedoms in the United States.

It's ironic, isn't it?
 
2013-10-16 08:10:35 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: welcome to favorites. do you have a color preference?


I think he prefers something half and half
 
2013-10-16 08:12:26 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Doctor Funkenstein: Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...

He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.

welcome to favorites.  do you have a color preference?


Is Bla a color?
 
2013-10-16 08:12:44 AM

Lost Thought 00: I do have to say that this whole episode has strengthed Obama tremendously. Still don't think Dems will maintain their polling lead through 2014 in order to take the House.


I think this is another reason why the GOP is pushing so hard RIGHT NOW.  This still gives them time to let the public forget.   Primary season kicks off in about 4-5 months the the main.  So it was be desperate now, or let it go
 
2013-10-16 08:14:29 AM

hardinparamedic: Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?!

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You SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATE the potential danger the democrats pose. This shutdown will continue. And fear will keep the local gerrymandered districts in line.


I always wondered....

If Boehner is Tarkin... does that make Cruz Vader?
 
2013-10-16 08:14:50 AM

hardinparamedic: Albino Squid: America has maybe two or three years to get its shiat together, before the Eurozone stabilizes enough to look like a safer long-term prospect. fark about longer and the reserve currency status that makes America's debt so manageable will start to be chipped away bit by bit.

The scary thing is that the shift to a sinocentric global economic situation would probably be feeding into the Right's paranoia and desires to tighten government control of personal freedoms in the United States.

It's ironic, isn't it?


And scary. Now, they're scared of shadows. Give them macropolitical changes that are both genuinely damaging to American interests and out of their control? Oh lawd.
 
2013-10-16 08:14:52 AM

ghall3: born_yesterday: ghall3: If there's one thing I know about today's GOP it's that they will take the rest of us down with them...

My favorite FB derp this morning?  An image with the text:

[  ] Democrat
[  ]Republican
[X] Angry American

So, do you think the comments were filled with people who were angry about the cost of the Republican obstructionism? Do you think for a second that a single one of those shiat-eating fark heads had ANYTHING negative to say about the Republicans?  It was all about how the ACA is going to doom us all.

That's where they are right now.  They're pissed---they they lost, that the black guy won, however you want to look at it.  And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is find one that supported GW.  Buncha farking ignorant crybabies.

That's the part that really gets me. I don't see how anyone can be standing behind the republicans at this point, yet here we are. I do like McCain's comment today though (or maybe last night) something along the lines of "Time to grow up, we knew we were going to lose, we lost, let's get back to work and fight another day".  People need to realize that is the reality, but it really seems like it is too late for that at this point too many people are living in their own realities that have nothing to do with what is actually happening


McCains one of the last truly "party of personal responsibility" "bootstrap" Republicans. As opposed to this mass of whining, entititled, spiteful, ignorant victims that makes up the party today.

What's ironic is that he's actually responsible for a whole lot of what the GOP has become today with his choice of running mate in 08.
 
2013-10-16 08:16:07 AM
If the Dems stay away from gun control they will control 100% if the government for the next 10 years after this.
 
2013-10-16 08:16:45 AM

DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.


Right other than:

Abortion
Healthcare
Stimulus
Tax policy
Getting Osama Bin Laden
Women's right (Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act )
Gay rights
Wall Street Reform (Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act  )
Saving the Auto industry
Stopping torture policy
Removing Banks from student loans
Increase fuel standards
Increased Veteran benefits
Created new EPA restrictions on dirty power plants
Passed credit card reforms
Put sane judges on SCOTUS
Improved food safety on FDA
Expanded AmeriCorps
Passed fair sentencing act
Reduced defense spending
Added more land to parks
Made large investments in renewable energy
Improved school nutrition
Expanded health coverage for children
Expanded stem cell research
and many many other things...

Other than those "small" things he is exactly like Bush! amirite?
 
2013-10-16 08:20:04 AM

somedude210: Weaver95: It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.

It's amazing what we let the crazies get away with sometimes. What's funny "irony" is that this will probably do what they feared would happen and create a dictatorship in the country. Self-fulfilling prophecy assholes


If the theocrats win then I am a dead man. They'll kill me just on general principal.
 
2013-10-16 08:20:05 AM
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2013-10-16 08:20:12 AM

Albino Squid: And scary. Now, they're scared of shadows. Give them macropolitical changes that are both genuinely damaging to American interests and out of their control? Oh lawd.


Part of the advantage that comes with having such control over global economics is that the United States has immense influences with other countries in terms of using it's military, and exercising it's global military power. Take away that economic power, and shift it into the hands of another country with a larger standing military and an immense budget to match that, say China, and you have the potential on your hands for another cold war and military arms race.
 
2013-10-16 08:22:01 AM
Boehner couldn't lead House Republicans to an open bar right now.
 
2013-10-16 08:22:02 AM

DemonEater: Political science people and beltway journalists have been proclaiming these are GOP death throes for a long time now.

Nope.

Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office.  Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.


Yep, I don't expect to see anything change in Tennessee.
 
2013-10-16 08:22:12 AM
Has Boner tried sending a clean CR bill anda clean debt ceiling limit bill to the floor for a simple Up/Down vote?

If not, why not?
 
2013-10-16 08:22:25 AM

Skleenar: Corvus: And then blame Obama for what they caused.

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Amazing how often this image is relevant


You got a cleaner version? I'd like to hold on to that, but it's kind of blurry.
 
2013-10-16 08:22:58 AM
Calling the GOP dead is as short sighted as Karl Rove's "permanent republican majority" statement.  If they can man up and jettison the malcontents and loudmouths, they can become a viable partner in the governing of America.

The democrats did the same thing in the early 90's when they pushed Jesse Jackson to the side.  Get rid of the teabaggers and they'll be fine.  They don't have to abandon their principles, they just have to get rid of the people in the party who don't believe in the idea of government.
 
2013-10-16 08:23:00 AM

born_yesterday: ghall3: If there's one thing I know about today's GOP it's that they will take the rest of us down with them...

My favorite FB derp this morning?  An image with the text:

[  ] Democrat
[  ]Republican
[X] Angry American

So, do you think the comments were filled with people who were angry about the cost of the Republican obstructionism? Do you think for a second that a single one of those shiat-eating fark heads had ANYTHING negative to say about the Republicans?  It was all about how the ACA is going to doom us all.

That's where they are right now.  They're pissed---they they lost, that the black guy won, however you want to look at it.  And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is find one that supported GW.  Buncha farking ignorant crybabies.


The only bright spot is that the nutjobs ARE still a minority, and I think the independents and more reasonable republicans who might have supported them in the part are so disgusted and embarrassed at this point that they'll finally find a way to marginalize them, as they should have been all along.
 
2013-10-16 08:23:05 AM
It's only going to get worse for the GOP if they continue down the current path. American conservatism in its current form has run its course. The Sixth Party System which began in 1968 with the election of Nixon is effectively over. As a Republican, I'm disgusted with the Tea Party and their crazy folks. I can see why Obama never wanted to negotiate with them again.

What Republicans need to do is to become compassionate again, get businesses to invest again, and know that sometimes raising taxes is ok when the timing is right. Go ask Governor Kasich of Ohio on why it's important to expand Medicaid to the poor, why he's making deals with businesses, why he attempted to tax the fracking business, and why he just stays out on the same-sex marriage issue. We need less Ted Cruzes, we need more Pope Francises in our party.
 
2013-10-16 08:24:07 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: Boehner couldn't lead House Republicans to an open bar right now.


Ideas, he is kinda making history as the weakest speaker to ever be inflicted in the US government in the past 80 years or so.
 
2013-10-16 08:24:12 AM

MindStalker: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Doctor Funkenstein: Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...

He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.

welcome to favorites.  do you have a color preference?

Is Bla a color?


This is FARK.  We don't see color here.
 
2013-10-16 08:24:12 AM

T-Servo: I'm not sure I like the headline's metaphor, seeing as a zombie apocalypse is what we're fearing the most now.

/need some new mods for my baseball bat


Screw zombies, worry about something real, like the explosive release of gas, once full decomposition sets in.
 
2013-10-16 08:24:52 AM
Oh fark you iPad autocorrect.
 
2013-10-16 08:25:01 AM

Muta: Has Boner tried sending a clean CR bill anda clean debt ceiling limit bill to the floor for a simple Up/Down vote?

If not, why not?



Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.
 
2013-10-16 08:27:40 AM

scumshine: Yep, I don't expect to see anything change in Tennessee.


The only reason the Republicans don't carry Tennessee is that the urban areas tend to overwhelmingly vote democrat while the rural areas vote otherwise.
 
2013-10-16 08:28:24 AM
lol if you think republicans will suffer any actual consequences for the shut down, long term or short term

just lol
 
2013-10-16 08:28:39 AM
I have to say I think Boehner and McConnell has been playing this very smart, and no I am not ironic.
The old republican guard want to get the Tea party since they can't win the senate with them, and also primaries.

By playing it this way they will most likely keep the house, the gerrymandering and the focusing of the establishement to fight the Tea party will maintain the balance as it is now. The people will have forgotten about this derp by the time 2014 elections come along but the tea party crazy will carry over.

Now the smart thing they did was not only to expose tea party as unable to govern but by creating the bill to open government and avoid default in the senate they have made senate republicans look good. All of a sudden senate republicans are appealing to independents again, so in short:

House is safe republican in 2014, midterms are always better for R
Senate became sane again and greatly increases the R chances to grab the missing seats back.

Smart play, I have to say it looks impressive
 
2013-10-16 08:28:57 AM

Bendal: Cantor as SoH.


Cantor is actually the most hated man in Virginia right now. I doubt he'd make it as SotH

I think the Democrats would vote Boehner in because the devil you know is better than the Cantor you hate
 
2013-10-16 08:29:18 AM

Great_Milenko: Calling the GOP dead is as short sighted as Karl Rove's "permanent republican majority" statement.  If they can man up and jettison the malcontents and loudmouths, they can become a viable partner in the governing of America.

The democrats did the same thing in the early 90's when they pushed Jesse Jackson to the side.  Get rid of the teabaggers and they'll be fine.  They don't have to abandon their principles, they just have to get rid of the people in the party who don't believe in the idea of government.


The entire party chases the Starve the Beast ideology. There will be no fixing this.
 
2013-10-16 08:29:47 AM

Bendal: Muta: Has Boner tried sending a clean CR bill anda clean debt ceiling limit bill to the floor for a simple Up/Down vote?

If not, why not?


Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.


I can't remember, does the entire house vote on the Speaker, or just the party? Even if Democrats couldn't support Boehner  over the teabagger nominee, why would the non-teabaggers (who are supposedly sick of these shenigans) vote for Cantor over Boehner?
 
2013-10-16 08:29:52 AM

Bendal: Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.


Not contradicting you, but just asking: If that were to happen, wouldn't the moderate Republicans come to defend Boehner in that vote to let him keep the job?
 
2013-10-16 08:30:04 AM

Weaver95: Oh fark you iPad autocorrect.


You can type on FARK on an iPad?

Fark's entry thing is so f'd up for mobile I have to grab my computer to respond to anything.
 
2013-10-16 08:30:05 AM

Weaver95: Oh fark you iPad autocorrect.


Maybe that's why they suspended the vote.  Bad autocorrect could have changed the language.  Yeah, that's the ticket!
 
2013-10-16 08:30:17 AM

hardinparamedic: Albino Squid: And scary. Now, they're scared of shadows. Give them macropolitical changes that are both genuinely damaging to American interests and out of their control? Oh lawd.

Part of the advantage that comes with having such control over global economics is that the United States has immense influences with other countries in terms of using it's military, and exercising it's global military power. Take away that economic power, and shift it into the hands of another country with a larger standing military and an immense budget to match that, say China, and you have the potential on your hands for another cold war and military arms race.


Especially because the fear and irrationality that has permeated parts of the right would, as America's economic power declined, likely infect a greater portion of the political culture. Some of the people involved in the first cold war were legitimately insane, but there was still a general undercurrent of good governance in most quarters. Mix an unshakable belief in American exceptionalism, prolonged economic malaise and the rise of a genuinely economically and militarily superior opponent with the tidal wave of derp and she's all on the table.
 
2013-10-16 08:31:22 AM

eurotrash: By playing it this way they will most likely keep the house, the gerrymandering and the focusing of the establishement to fight the Tea party will maintain the balance as it is now. The people will have forgotten about this derp by the time 2014 elections come along but the tea party crazy will carry over.


And you think the Tea Party will not pull another one of these derp fests by then?
 
2013-10-16 08:31:34 AM

Lost Thought 00: I do have to say that this whole episode has strengthed Obama tremendously. Still don't think Dems will maintain their polling lead through 2014 in order to take the House.


Hey, the Republicans have a whole year to make asses of themselves, and they seem bound and determined to do it. And don't forget, this episode has drawn the ire of the business community, and they are unlikely to forget about this as quickly as the general public. Republicans looking for campaign funds are likely to experience a rude awakening when they approach the usual big donors with palms outstretched. But hey, all those Tea Partiers on Social Security and Medicaid can surely make up the difference, right?
 
2013-10-16 08:31:52 AM

blastoh: Lost Thought 00: I do have to say that this whole episode has strengthed Obama tremendously. Still don't think Dems will maintain their polling lead through 2014 in order to take the House.

I think this is another reason why the GOP is pushing so hard RIGHT NOW.  This still gives them time to let the public forget.   Primary season kicks off in about 4-5 months the the main.  So it was be desperate now, or let it go


Yup. I saw a quote a day or two ago (unfortunately I forget where) in which one of them was saying they only wanted a short term CR and debt ceiling extension because they don't want to be in a position of having a yearlong deal expire right before the election.
 
2013-10-16 08:32:52 AM
If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?
 
2013-10-16 08:34:11 AM

Corvus: Weaver95: Oh fark you iPad autocorrect.

You can type on FARK on an iPad?

Fark's entry thing is so f'd up for mobile I have to grab my computer to respond to anything.


Not very well, but yeah. It'll do well enough.
 
2013-10-16 08:35:53 AM

netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?


I'm not sure I understand what it is you are trying to say....
 
2013-10-16 08:36:17 AM

Corvus: eurotrash: By playing it this way they will most likely keep the house, the gerrymandering and the focusing of the establishement to fight the Tea party will maintain the balance as it is now. The people will have forgotten about this derp by the time 2014 elections come along but the tea party crazy will carry over.

And you think the Tea Party will not pull another one of these derp fests by then?


I count on it but that derp will more likely make establishment GOP win theri primaries, but as I said the House is safe GOP in 2014, the battle is in the senate that now is looking better.
 
2013-10-16 08:36:35 AM

DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.


Has anyone else noticed that the disillusioned attitude DrPainMD advocates is the same one that would most likely lead to a high rate of Republican incumbency in the 2014 election? Both sides, though. Bad.
 
2013-10-16 08:37:08 AM

netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?


You have trouble with thoughts and stuff, right?
 
2013-10-16 08:38:52 AM

balki1867: Bendal: Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.

Not contradicting you, but just asking: If that were to happen, wouldn't the moderate Republicans come to defend Boehner in that vote to let him keep the job?



The explanation I've heard about this says that renominating Boehner as Speaker puts the Republicans right back where they are now; leaderless. Someone else who could weld the party back together would be preferable to him; a lot of non-Teabag Republicans tend to vote with them out of fear of being primaried in 2014. Since we've already seen that the Teabaggers aren't following orders from the moderate wing of the GOP, it's likely they'd try to vote in a Speaker more like them, and the moderates would be likely to support him out of party loyalty.
 
2013-10-16 08:40:03 AM

Albino Squid: And scary. Now, they're scared of shadows. Give them macropolitical changes that are both genuinely damaging to American interests and out of their control? Oh lawd.


Thing is, it's well within their control right now.  They're manufacturing, for no reason at all, this political crisis along with the government default and economic chaos that go with it.  It's totally in their control.  They can pass a clean CR and raise the debt limit (or repeal the damn debt limit law once and for all), and it would do wonders to strengthen the US economy and to confirm America's reserve currency position.

But these are teabaggers.  They want to burn the country because Jesus.
 
2013-10-16 08:40:56 AM
I missed the all-important "let's briefly pause so Boehner can flail helplessly while the entire world looks on in horror before we officially end this thing" step in the process...

Boehner, as is his wont, simply unpinned a grenade he knew he didn't have the arm-strength to throw.


I LOL'd.
 
2013-10-16 08:41:02 AM

hardinparamedic: scumshine: Yep, I don't expect to see anything change in Tennessee.

The only reason the Republicans don't carry Tennessee is that the urban areas tend to overwhelmingly vote democrat while the rural areas vote otherwise.


I know Memphis and Nashville are Demo bastions while the rest of TN is Republican. We've got Alexander and Corker who are our Republican Senators. I thought Corker was somewhat reasonable (till he insulted the president last month.) The east has all those suicide caucus members....I'm amazed that Marsha Blackburn and Stephen Fincher (both batshiat crazy suburban tea pots) from my area didn't join the suicides.
 
2013-10-16 08:41:20 AM
And the funny thing is, it's now basically come down to whether one man, Boehner, will put the interests of the country above his own. Something that he is supposed to be doing every day, as his job.
 
2013-10-16 08:41:56 AM

netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?


Enough to provide the essential services the federal government needs to provide.
 
2013-10-16 08:43:57 AM

HMS_Blinkin: They want to burn the country because Jesus.


Which is a point that needs to be repeated in this conversation often. You can't reason with people who honestly believe that God is on their side, and they are the last bastion of Christ in a heathen world that hates them for that alone.

When you believe that your personal political decisions will have a hand in the end times and the glorious return of your savior, you tend to be a death-seeker who doesn't care if his/her country will burn or not.

This is one of the reasons for the Tea Party/Far Right mentality. These people are just another chapter in the episode of the people who believe the "end times" are upon us and neigh.
 
2013-10-16 08:44:03 AM

Deneb81: And until Obama starts a program of firing career, non-political employees, and replacing them solely from barely accredited liberal arts colleges based on political affiliation it's not the same.


You're giving Bush too much credit; his second Secretary of Transportation was a graduate of the University of Phoenix. No, I'm not kidding.
 
2013-10-16 08:45:11 AM
" After which John Boehner would tearfully bring it to the floor of the House in defiance of the so-called Hastert Rule (requiring a majority of House Republicans to support a bill before it can come to a vote),"

So. The entire GOP (barring a dozen or so crazies) is fully aware that the debt ceiling needs to be raised to our economy doesn't get tossed in the wood chipper but they are too cowardly to actually do it because they will get primaried because they have spent the last 5 years whipping their base up into a frenzy. So instead they are going to rely on the Democrats to to the adult thing and provide almost all the votes required to pass this thing and then draw straws to see who on the Republican side will make the necessary votes. Then all the rest of the GOP will proudly go home and declare how they fought the debt ceiling all the way to the final vote where they were defeated by a bunch of turncoats.

TBH, sometimes I wish the consequences of this thing would be a little more temporary so the Democrats could all vote "Present" and let the GOP swing in the wind on this one. Just say "fark you, you disingenuous assholes, if you want this thing raised then you can expend your own damn political capital to do it".

Kinda like how the GOP were relying on Democrats to defeat the Right Wing Fantasy Ryan Budget a year or so ago and then had to go change their votes to "NO" when the Democrats gave them a green light to pass it by all voting Present, because even the GOP knew it would be disastrous for the country to actually implement, they just all wanted to say they voted for the conservative budget in their campaigns.
 
2013-10-16 08:45:16 AM

Funk Brothers: . As a Republican, I'm disgusted with the Tea Party and their crazy folks. I can see why Obama never wanted to negotiate with them again.


And yet, you and your fellow "moderates" cheered them on the entire time. Cry me a damn river.
 
2013-10-16 08:45:34 AM

apoptotic: Unfortunately, if what comes out of the Senate is anything other than a clean bill to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling, the GOP will claim they won. That's how the media will report it, and lo, that's how it shall be.

Boehner could* spin it that he punted the whole thing to the Senate in order to force Reid to agree to concessions, put him in his place etc.

*if he wasn't a fear-addled buffoon whose staff are likely (or at least should be) too pissed off over the Vitter Amendment shenanigans to help him spin anything more complicated than a hula hoop.


FUN FACT: Republicans were able to get a balanced budget agreement out of Clinton as a result of the shutdown back in the 1990's. Didn't stop the common belief that Republicans caused a self-inflicted political wound and won nothing for it from spreading. Hell, the most common complaint is that OBVIOUSLY they should have held out until they won, not that they should do it more often to extract more concessions.

Anyone who thinks swearing a battle to the death to defund Obamacare and walking out of it with a delay in the medical device and reinsurance taxes and/or the Vitter Amendment is Republican victory is crazy.
 
2013-10-16 08:45:36 AM

Skleenar: netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?

You have trouble with thoughts and stuff, right?


I have him noted as "pubtarded" in a lovely urine yellow....
 
2013-10-16 08:46:14 AM

Skleenar: Amazing how often this image is relevant


A lot of her comics are still applicable without any change at all. Like this one:

www.glasswings.com


=Smidge=
 
2013-10-16 08:46:18 AM

The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.


It's almost as if the good Doctor is just....  Trolling.

Unless the good Doctor would like to answer that question for us?
 
2013-10-16 08:46:23 AM

Elegy: Hahaha, you'll see. This is just Boehner's deeply laid strategy coming to fruition.

Obama will get his comeuppance, mark my words.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-10-16 08:47:18 AM

Corvus: Weaver95: Oh fark you iPad autocorrect. You can type on FARK on an iPad? Fark's entry thing is so f'd up for mobile I have to grab my computer to respond to anything.

switch from the formatting buttons to the HTML buttons, I've found that works for me.
 
2013-10-16 08:47:24 AM

Weaver95: netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?

I'm not sure I understand what it is you are trying to say....


He's saying he's taxed enough already. The potato undercurrent is slight, very subtle. Someone must have written that for him.
 
2013-10-16 08:47:25 AM
Maybe it would be if people actually paid attention...

www.people-press.org

But you can't have figures like this if people generally hated republicans, farkers get in kinda an echo chamber and not necessarily a political one but one where because everyone else here happens to know a lot about politics they project that onto the general population.
 
2013-10-16 08:47:44 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...

He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.


Well played, sir. 1 internet for you.
 
2013-10-16 08:47:53 AM
Just not very well, obviously.
 
2013-10-16 08:50:22 AM
Stupid WYSIWYG editor, hiding the fact I posted the wrong link!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-16 08:50:26 AM

Great_Milenko: Calling the GOP dead is as short sighted as Karl Rove's "permanent republican majority" statement.  If they can man up and jettison the malcontents and loudmouths, they can become a viable partner in the governing of America.

The democrats did the same thing in the early 90's when they pushed Jesse Jackson to the side.  Get rid of the teabaggers and they'll be fine.  They don't have to abandon their principles, they just have to get rid of the people in the party who don't believe in the idea of government.


What evidence have you seen in the past 6 months that suggest any non-Tea Party GOP members are capable and/or willing to do that? We're like a day away from default and still Cruz and Co are throwing out "Hey let's neuter the Treasury!" suggestions as part of their "negotiaions". The time for the GOP to jettison their malcontents and loudmouths was 3 weeks ago.

I mean I agree with you, the GOP would be fine if they got rid of the Tea Party, and in fact would probably be healthier than the Dems, just because ObamaCare is imperfect/having problems and the natural momentum of a midterm election in the second term of an opposition President. But they need to actually, you know, have some balls and be willing to do something about it. God isn't going to rapture these Tea Pary fools at 11:59 tonight and solve all our problems.
 
2013-10-16 08:51:40 AM
I want to see how many House Republicans end up voting for the Senate Bill.   It will highlight how many GOPers are holding onto moderate purple districts that are in play for 2014.  If only a smattering of GOP vote for the Senate Bill, the outlook of flipping the House in 2014 doesn't look good.    If a GOPer doesn't vote for it, that means there is still more pressure for them  being primaried from the right flank than there is from the left or middle among their constituents.
 
2013-10-16 08:52:03 AM

Smidge204: Stupid WYSIWYG editor, hiding the fact I posted the wrong link!

[i.imgur.com image 600x422]


I thought the first comic was a bit minimalist...
 
2013-10-16 08:52:42 AM

WippitGuud: hardinparamedic: Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?!

[images.wikia.com image 850x637]

You SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATE the potential danger the democrats pose. This shutdown will continue. And fear will keep the local gerrymandered districts in line.

I always wondered....

If Boehner is Tarkin... does that make Cruz Vader?


I think of Cruz as more of a Gen. Motti type.  Admit it, if you got mind choke powers for a day that would be the douche you'd use it on.
 
2013-10-16 08:53:12 AM

Deneb81: DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.

If he was nothing but GWB3, then why would the Republicans NOT like him?

And until Obama starts a program of firing career, non-political employees, and replacing them solely from barely accredited liberal arts colleges based on political affiliation it's not the same. Oh, and Bush 3 would have had us in Libya and Syria with boots on the ground.


This.

I get dislike for Obama on everything from Gitmo to domestic spying, but if youthink he was Bush 3, then your head is up your ass.
 
2013-10-16 08:54:22 AM
The most terrifying thing to me about our brush with nuclear meltdown (in a best case scenario that default is averted) is no one will learn anything. I have no confidence voters or anyone else will ever punish the GOP. This will keep happening until everything is just rubble, ruins, and chicken feathers.
 
2013-10-16 08:55:03 AM
John Boner will crash the entire world economy to keep the extra $49k a year he gets as speaker
 
2013-10-16 08:55:27 AM
... and nothing of value was lost.

Bonus:  All the threats to replace Boehner were hollow.  Nobody wants his job.  He'll limp on as a lame duck Speaker for as long as the GOP holds the House
 
2013-10-16 08:56:30 AM

Bendal: Muta: Has Boner tried sending a clean CR bill anda clean debt ceiling limit bill to the floor for a simple Up/Down vote?

If not, why not?


Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.


What would be funny is if they managed to split the caucus and get Nancy Pelosi elected as speaker again.
 
2013-10-16 08:56:32 AM

Smidge204: Stupid WYSIWYG editor, hiding the fact I posted the wrong link!

[i.imgur.com image 600x422]


They've got a newspaper print comic now, by the way! 'S called Heavenly Nostrils. .. It is rather entertaining. (I read it on gocomics or whatever)
 
2013-10-16 08:56:46 AM

raatz01: The most terrifying thing to me about our brush with nuclear meltdown (in a best case scenario that default is averted) is no one will learn anything. I have no confidence voters or anyone else will ever punish the GOP. This will keep happening until everything is just rubble, ruins, and chicken feathers.


Nope, that is enough for them to keep farking. they will keep going.
 
2013-10-16 08:58:01 AM

Weaver95: It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.


teenmomtalk.com
 
2013-10-16 08:58:06 AM

Weaver95: netcentric: If those crazy Teabaggers want lower taxes and limited spending.... then I'm switching and voting for the Democrats who want higher taxes and more spending.

Just for reference, how much more taxes and spending do we want anyway...?

I'm not sure I understand what it is you are trying to say....


derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-taxnspendlibrulobummercareizgonnatakemuhjerb c ryingscreechingeagle-derp-derp-derp
 
2013-10-16 08:58:15 AM
Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
The biggest sentiment across House R world, from our table to their talks w/ pals: disappointment. Disappointment w/ lack of strategy

Robert Costa @robertcostaNRO
There's not a push to get rid of Boehner. Not at all. The disappointment was twd Boehner, Cantor for listening too much to a bloc of 20

"Suicide caucus" from the figure going around is 80 Rs.  Yesterday they were saying it was a group of 50 Rs blocking the "new" House bill from going forward.  Now it's down to 20 guys causing all this mess.

Either 3/4 of the "suicide caucus" had a sincere change of heart or a "core group of 20" convinced everyone they were more powerful than they really were.
 
2013-10-16 08:58:33 AM

CPennypacker: John Boner will crash the entire world economy to keep the extra $49k a year he gets as speaker


Here's an artist rendition of Boner with his 49k buying a loaf of bread after he destroys the economy.

omiusajpic.org

personally I don't think the artist made him tan enough but whatever...
 
2013-10-16 08:59:22 AM

pueblonative: What would be funny is if they managed to split the caucus and get Nancy Pelosi elected as speaker again


How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?


CPennypacker: John Boner will crash the entire world economy to keep the extra $49k a year he gets as speaker


I don't thinkhe is that dumb. I think he is playing until the last second so he can tell the teatards he fought the good fight.
/at least I hope...
 
2013-10-16 09:00:20 AM

InmanRoshi: I want to see how many House Republicans end up voting for the Senate Bill.   It will highlight how many GOPers are holding onto moderate purple districts that are in play for 2014.


It'll be 18.

The GOP demonstrated with the Ryan budget that they will make votes they hope they wont win in order to take home campaign soundbites. For this one they will work out which 18 face the least threat of a 'bagger primary challenge and get them to vote for the bill so the rest of them can go home and say they fought it all the way.
 
2013-10-16 09:00:23 AM

Corvus: eurotrash: By playing it this way they will most likely keep the house, the gerrymandering and the focusing of the establishement to fight the Tea party will maintain the balance as it is now. The people will have forgotten about this derp by the time 2014 elections come along but the tea party crazy will carry over.

And you think the Tea Party will not pull another one of these derp fests by then?


They seem determined to rig one up every financial quarter. And I guarantee you they are going to continue to try to deny the entire female population basic healthcare because thats what Jesus would want.
 
2013-10-16 09:01:25 AM

liam76: How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives# Me mber_officials


Theoretically, the speaker doesn't even need to be a representative.  Of course, theoretically I could end up banging Kate Upton too.
 
2013-10-16 09:03:52 AM

liam76: pueblonative: What would be funny is if they managed to split the caucus and get Nancy Pelosi elected as speaker again

How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?


CPennypacker: John Boner will crash the entire world economy to keep the extra $49k a year he gets as speaker

I don't thinkhe is that dumb. I think he is playing until the last second so he can tell the teatards he fought the good fight.
/at least I hope...


Nobody wants his farking job anyway
 
2013-10-16 09:04:31 AM
Does anyone remember that scene in Rome where Marc Antony is supposed to veto a symbolic measure to declare Caesar an outlaw but gets shouted down by a mob of senators before he can actually raise the veto, with the end result being the destruction of the Republic over a measure that no one, including the people who raised it, wanted to actually pass?

Yeah, I'm kind of getting that feeling while watching this mess. Let's hope that the consequences for our own republic won't be as dire.
 
2013-10-16 09:05:40 AM

netweavr: Weaver95: It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.

[teenmomtalk.com image 480x600]


Netweavr you have no poetry in your soul. Go read some Rilke' or at least some Kipling ffs.
 
2013-10-16 09:05:42 AM

pueblonative: liam76: How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives# Me mber_officials


Theoretically, the speaker doesn't even need to be a representative.  Of course, theoretically I could end up banging Kate Upton too.


Yeah, in the sense that the Pope doesn't have to be a Cardinal
 
2013-10-16 09:05:59 AM
It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.
 
2013-10-16 09:06:21 AM
ariseatex:
Either 3/4 of the "suicide caucus" had a sincere change of heart or a "core group of 20" convinced everyone they were more powerful than they really were.

No, this is going to be like when the police count drug money. In two hours it will be all, "I don't understand how 10 guys could have so much influence." Tomorrow: "A core group of 5 Republicans." By the end of the week: "What suicide caucus?"
 
2013-10-16 09:07:07 AM

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


This will get some bites
 
2013-10-16 09:08:22 AM

Lost Thought 00: pueblonative: liam76: How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives# Me mber_officials


Theoretically, the speaker doesn't even need to be a representative.  Of course, theoretically I could end up banging Kate Upton too.

Yeah, in the sense that the Pope doesn't have to be a Cardinal


Hence the word theoretically.  Still it would be funny for the Repubs to split their house and the Democratics to vote for Obama as speaker just to troll the hell out of the GOP.
 
2013-10-16 09:09:25 AM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Does anyone remember that scene in Rome where Marc Antony is supposed to veto a symbolic measure to declare Caesar an outlaw but gets shouted down by a mob of senators before he can actually raise the veto, with the end result being the destruction of the Republic over a measure that no one, including the people who raised it, wanted to actually pass?

Yeah, I'm kind of getting that feeling while watching this mess. Let's hope that the consequences for our own republic won't be as dire.


Dan Carlin's "Death Throes of the Republic"

I have to admit that listening to this seemed far too much like listening to the news for my comfort.

And don't miss the other 5 episodes of this series.  Or anything else by him, for that matter.
 
2013-10-16 09:10:34 AM

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


I know.  Both sides ARE bad.  But, obviously, the Democrats are worse.  Amirite?
 
2013-10-16 09:14:14 AM

Skleenar: snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.

I know.  Both sides ARE bad.  But, obviously, the Democrats are worse.  Amirite?


They certainly sound worse when you tell blatant lies.
 
2013-10-16 09:14:26 AM

CPennypacker: John Boner will crash the entire world economy to keep the extra $49k a year he gets as speaker


That'll buy a lot of cheap wine in Ohio.
 
2013-10-16 09:14:45 AM

ArtosRC: You got a cleaner version? I'd like to hold on to that, but it's kind of blurry.


That was just the first GIS I found of it.  There's probably others out there.
 
2013-10-16 09:14:56 AM

pueblonative: liam76: How does that election work?

Do they all vote, or does the dominant party?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives# Me mber_officials

Theoretically, the speaker doesn't even need to be a representative.  Of course, theoretically I could end up banging Kate Upton too.


Let the House Rs split between Boehner and Cantor, then the Ds can vote Hillary in as Speaker.
 
2013-10-16 09:15:29 AM

Skleenar: snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.

I know.  Both sides ARE bad.  But, obviously, the Democrats are worse.  Amirite?


Are you right? No. But you're a troll.
Buh-bye now.
plonk.
 
2013-10-16 09:15:55 AM

clkeagle: I know. Both sides ARE bad. But, obviously, the Democrats are worse. Amirite?

They certainly sound worse when you tell blatant lies.


It takes two to lie:  One to lie, and one to listen.  Shame on you, libtard.
 
2013-10-16 09:16:42 AM

Skleenar: clkeagle: I know. Both sides ARE bad. But, obviously, the Democrats are worse. Amirite?

They certainly sound worse when you tell blatant lies.

It takes two to lie:  One to lie, and one to listen.  Shame on you, libtard.


Let that be a lesson to us all:  the next time you see a teaderp open his mouth, take him out.
 
2013-10-16 09:16:43 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Skleenar: snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.

I know.  Both sides ARE bad.  But, obviously, the Democrats are worse.  Amirite?

Are you right? No. But you're a troll.
Buh-bye now.
plonk.


Somebody needs a new sarcasm meter.
 
2013-10-16 09:16:44 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Skleenar: snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.

I know.  Both sides ARE bad.  But, obviously, the Democrats are worse.  Amirite?

Are you right? No. But you're a troll.
Buh-bye now.
plonk.


Belay that plonk.

/Misread.
 
2013-10-16 09:18:11 AM

Funk Brothers: It's only going to get worse for the GOP if they continue down the current path. American conservatism in its current form has run its course. The Sixth Party System which began in 1968 with the election of Nixon is effectively over. As a Republican, I'm disgusted with the Tea Party and their crazy folks. I can see why Obama never wanted to negotiate with them again.

What Republicans need to do is to become compassionate again, get businesses to invest again, and know that sometimes raising taxes is ok when the timing is right. Go ask Governor Kasich of Ohio on why it's important to expand Medicaid to the poor, why he's making deals with businesses, why he attempted to tax the fracking business, and why he just stays out on the same-sex marriage issue. We need less Ted Cruzes, we need more Pope Francises in our party.


WTF is this?  If you're the same Funk Brothers I've seen in this forum lo these many years I don't even know what to say.  Truly the cause of the modern GOP is sunk.  For what it's worth, if you guys manage to pull your party back to Eisenhower-style policy platforms, I would welcome that.
 
2013-10-16 09:18:55 AM
Great article, with so many great lines such as: A few savvy congressional reporters lamented that we'd lost an entire day while Boehner took a final lap around the mental institution he runs
 
2013-10-16 09:19:19 AM

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


1.5/10

old material is old.
 
2013-10-16 09:21:53 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: Boehner couldn't lead House Republicans to an open bar right now.


I thought the House of Representatives already was an open bar?
 
2013-10-16 09:22:01 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Belay that plonk.


www.thefirearmblog.com

Phew!
 
2013-10-16 09:22:37 AM

Skleenar: clkeagle: I know. Both sides ARE bad. But, obviously, the Democrats are worse. Amirite?

They certainly sound worse when you tell blatant lies.

It takes two to lie:  One to lie, and one to listen.  Shame on you, libtard.


That's way too inefficient. Which is why they invented Fox News - mass proderption.
 
2013-10-16 09:23:24 AM

AngryDragon: If the Dems stay away from gun control they will control 100% if the government for the next 10 years after this.


It only took two years for the dullards to forget the Bush years and once again vote Republican.
 
2013-10-16 09:23:28 AM

DrPainMD: Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.


You forgot "so vote Republican".
 
2013-10-16 09:25:37 AM

wesmon: I thought the House of Representatives already was an open bar?


Juding by the attempts at legislation coming out of the house, it looks more like a bath salts buffet.
 
2013-10-16 09:25:44 AM
One-on-one, these TEA party types aren't too bad, but they get uppity when they get in a group.
 
2013-10-16 09:26:03 AM

Befuddled: AngryDragon: If the Dems stay away from gun control they will control 100% if the government for the next 10 years after this.

It only took two years for the dullards to forget the Bush years and once again vote Republican.


They didn't "forget" the Bush years.  Bush just went from a unifier and a leader to a statist *cough*librul*cough politician.

//Just remember, if you have terminal cognitive dissonence, you never have to remember anything
 
2013-10-16 09:26:40 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...

He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.


[Smart][Funny]
 
2013-10-16 09:28:48 AM
If this mess makes some of the big money donors decide that they don't want Republicans controlling the House after all (lest they lose all their money), that might make a difference in 2014.
 
2013-10-16 09:33:19 AM

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


Really? Really? Really...? So this is Pelosi's fault? Really?

www.principalspage.com
 
2013-10-16 09:33:45 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: You forgot "so vote Republican".


You know, this is the sort of thing that would be a tired, played out meme if it wasn't for the fact that this a tactic we see EVERY SINGLE DAY, OVER AND OVER AGAIN from the GOP stalwarts attempting to salvage their party's image.

I mean, what started as a cynical political ploy by Karl Rove as a way to defuse the strong, and (at the time) growing anti-Bush/anti-GOP sentiment as we lived through the misrule of the first Bush term has been adopted as the go-to rationalization for those who still want to cling to their political identity or to put up a pretense of objectivity.

And what's so galling about it is in so many cases the precedent for bad GOP political behavior that is being waved off by the "BSAB" statement was also set by the GOP.

Take this current gov shutdown and debt limit debate.  We have posters in these threads saying "I don't know why you guys are getting upset about this, this happens all the time,  this is just what Congress does."
 
2013-10-16 09:34:42 AM

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


What's it like, having a mental disorder?
 
2013-10-16 09:34:46 AM

snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to  negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.


Once again, I'm not sure if you're a liar, troll, or just an ignorant buffoon who doesn't know how our government works.

Under House rules, only things that Boehner and Cantor directly approve are even allowed to be voted on.
 
2013-10-16 09:37:29 AM

Satanic_Hamster: snowshovel: It's rather telling that "I never lost a vote" Pelosi hasn't brought anything to the table. At least Beohner is trying to negotiate with steadfast Democrats to solve the mess they made.

Once again, I'm not sure if you're a liar, troll, or just an ignorant buffoon who doesn't know how our government works.

Under House rules, only things that Boehner and Cantor directly approve are even allowed to be voted on.


And besides, that's not even true.  In fact, Pelosi has brought something to the table:

2.bp.blogspot.com

And you have to admit, it really brightened up the House.  It was looking pretty dowdy in there.
 
2013-10-16 09:37:48 AM

hardinparamedic: scumshine: Yep, I don't expect to see anything change in Tennessee.

The only reason the Republicans don't carry Tennessee is that the urban areas tend to overwhelmingly vote democrat while the rural areas vote otherwise.


i.imgur.com

When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee?  I'm in Knox county, surrounded by priuses, hippies, university professors, granola eating socialists, etc. and we can't even vote this county blue.
 
2013-10-16 09:39:46 AM
There's a phrase that i heard someone say back around 2010, and it's been getting a lot of use in my household:

"I would rather whittle the tip of my dick off with a carrot peeler than vote for a Republican ever again."

Snappy.

/voted for Perot instead of Clinton, eternal shame.
 
2013-10-16 09:40:20 AM
Oh look, it's the weekly "death of the GOP" thread. Don't worry, I'm sure that THIS time it will come true!!

//you may now continue with your regularly-scheduled mental masturbation
 
2013-10-16 09:40:20 AM

stovepipe: When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee?


I don't know, but I carry this in my iPod.
 
2013-10-16 09:41:36 AM

Bendal: balki1867: Bendal: Because if he did the Teabaggers would call for a vote on his Speaker position right after they voted against the bill, and he'd be replaced with (probably) Cantor as SoH.

Not contradicting you, but just asking: If that were to happen, wouldn't the moderate Republicans come to defend Boehner in that vote to let him keep the job?


The explanation I've heard about this says that renominating Boehner as Speaker puts the Republicans right back where they are now; leaderless. Someone else who could weld the party back together would be preferable to him; a lot of non-Teabag Republicans tend to vote with them out of fear of being primaried in 2014. Since we've already seen that the Teabaggers aren't following orders from the moderate wing of the GOP, it's likely they'd try to vote in a Speaker more like them, and the moderates would be likely to support him out of party loyalty.


But that makes no sense.  If Boehner brings a clean CR and/or debt limit increase up for a vote, and it passes, he will, by definition have enough votes to stay Speaker, since the Democrats get to vote also.  Any Republican willing to vote for the clean CR is, by the very act of doing so, is willing to tell the baggers to fark off.

Now, if I were the Democrats, I would go to Boehner and say "We want this [present roll of paper that goes out the door, down the hall, out the building, and halfway to RI]; but we are glad you finally did the right thing, so we only want this to vote for you as Speaker [present roll of paper that goes out the door, down the hall, and to the door of the building]; Oh Hell, we are just giddy you have a soul, so we'll do it for this [single sheet of standard paper with 3 easy-to-fulfill demands]".  The Orange biatch will happily snap it up, and the Democrats have basically killed him in the 2014 elections.
 
2013-10-16 09:41:48 AM

stovepipe: When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee?  I'm in Knox county, surrounded by priuses, hippies, university professors, granola eating socialists, etc. and we can't even vote this county blue.


You're the bastards that keep putting Campfield in Nashville. :)

Nashville and Memphis are blue dots in seas of Red. Jackson is getting that way.
 
2013-10-16 09:45:27 AM

stovepipe: hardinparamedic: scumshine: Yep, I don't expect to see anything change in Tennessee.

The only reason the Republicans don't carry Tennessee is that the urban areas tend to overwhelmingly vote democrat while the rural areas vote otherwise.

[i.imgur.com image 500x498]

When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee?  I'm in Knox county, surrounded by priuses, hippies, university professors, granola eating socialists, etc. and we can't even vote this county blue.


How many votes does the Sunsphere get?

/ Went to see it this summer.  It was kinda cool.
 
2013-10-16 09:47:57 AM

hardinparamedic: stovepipe: When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee?  I'm in Knox county, surrounded by priuses, hippies, university professors, granola eating socialists, etc. and we can't even vote this county blue.

You're the bastards that keep putting Campfield in Nashville. :)

Nashville and Memphis are blue dots in seas of Red. Jackson is getting that way.


Funny fact, one of the popular local restaurants in downtown Knoxville refused to serve Campfield, turned him away when he tried to eat there, citing his homophobic statements.  Made all the local newspapers.  Librals are plentiful around here in the city, but you don't have to go but about 10 miles out into the suburbs to find knuckle dragging bigoted racist morans that vote straight republican ticket because geezus.
 
2013-10-16 09:48:45 AM

stovepipe: When was the last time Democrats carried Tennessee? I'm in Knox county, surrounded by priuses, hippies, university professors, granola eating socialists, etc. and we can't even vote this county blue.


Clinton carried the state in 96 - in large part due to Perot splitting the vote. It's gotten more and more Republican every cycle since
 
2013-10-16 09:50:56 AM

sprag: How many votes does the Sunsphere get?

/ Went to see it this summer. It was kinda cool.


imageshack.us
(Artist's conception)
 
2013-10-16 09:54:38 AM
The Tea Party is a cancer and it's metastasized in the party's leadership. We're going to get a whole hell of a lot sicker if we undergo chemo and radiation therapy, but we'll live. Unfortunately, the cancer gets a vote.
 
2013-10-16 09:58:47 AM

Marc L'Hommedieu: /voted for Perot instead of Clinton, eternal shame.


No, take pride in that.  Perot was absolutely correct and wanted to fix things.  In the end, the second-best candidate won, so it all worked out okay.  But if you voted for Nader...
 
2013-10-16 09:59:31 AM

Skleenar: sprag: How many votes does the Sunsphere get?

/ Went to see it this summer. It was kinda cool.

[imageshack.us image 320x213]
(Artist's conception)


Yep, exactly.  We were on our way back home from vacation and Knoxville was half way.   We showed that episode to our 11 year old daughter so we just had to do it.  Besides, Branson was too far out of the way.

/ Drove through Macon, GA for Nelson's sake.
 
2013-10-16 10:01:11 AM

born_yesterday: And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is watch this classic drunken rant from election night


ftfy

/can't believe that it's 1 year later and that c00nt still hasn't taken this video down
//actually, I can
///holy crap, she even has a blog now, though it seems to be mostly devoted to professing her undying love for right wing media celebrities like Drudge/Beck/etc.
 
2013-10-16 10:01:48 AM

Lost Thought 00: Clinton carried the state in 96 - in large part due to Perot splitting the vote. It's gotten more and more Republican every cycle since


Gore played no small part in that.

So it's kinda funny that he lost it himself four years later.

/funny in a hundreds of thousands of people dead, trillions of dollars wasted, and a global recession way
 
2013-10-16 10:02:24 AM

Ricardo Klement: The Tea Party is a cancer and it's metastasized in the party's leadership. We're going to get a whole hell of a lot sicker if we undergo chemo and radiation therapy, but we'll live. Unfortunately, the cancer gets a vote.


If the Affordable Care Act ends up prolonging the lives of aging Republican/teabagger voters so they can keep gumming up the country with their dementia, then it really will have been as damaging to the US as they claimed.  Maybe that's what they've been trying to warn us about this whole time!
 
2013-10-16 10:03:43 AM

quickdraw: netweavr: Weaver95: It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.

[teenmomtalk.com image 480x600]

Netweavr you have no poetry in your soul. Go read some Rilke' or at least some Kipling ffs.


I prefer the contemporary equivalents of Busta Rhymes and 50 cent.
 
2013-10-16 10:07:40 AM

phalamir: If Boehner brings a clean CR and/or debt limit increase up for a vote, and it passes, he will, by definition have enough votes to stay Speaker, since the Democrats get to vote also.


Why would the Dems vote for that idiot?  He has shown he cannot control his caucus, he does not have a vision and most certainly is not fit to be Speaker.  The Dems would only vote for the CR and debt limit increase because it is the right thing to do - and it represents a victory over the most extreme parts of the GOP.  Boehner however, can twist in the wind.  Only as part of a grand bargain the Boehner himself would have to initiate (ie. come crawling to Nancy and offer to be her hand puppet) would the Dems ever vote for that idiot.
 
2013-10-16 10:08:35 AM

dookdookdook: born_yesterday: And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is watch this classic drunken rant from election night

ftfy

/can't believe that it's 1 year later and that c00nt still hasn't taken this video down
//actually, I can
///holy crap, she even has a blog now, though it seems to be mostly devoted to professing her undying love for right wing media celebrities like Drudge/Beck/etc.


I listened to that vid for 15 seconds or so, but my brain shut down when i realized the first thing she was working herself up into a possible coronary about was people not sharing her facebook posts.
 
2013-10-16 10:10:44 AM
i.imgur.com

But it's the Obama shutdown and Democrats won't negotiate.
 
2013-10-16 10:12:56 AM

MadHatter500: Why would the Dems vote for that idiot? He has shown he cannot control his caucus, he does not have a vision and most certainly is not fit to be Speaker. The Dems would only vote for the CR and debt limit increase because it is the right thing to do - and it represents a victory over the most extreme parts of the GOP. Boehner however, can twist in the wind. Only as part of a grand bargain the Boehner himself would have to initiate (ie. come crawling to Nancy and offer to be her hand puppet) would the Dems ever vote for that idiot.


Because they'd have to vote with some moderate Republicans to choose a speaker.  Without that, the new speaker is Cantor.  Or some godawful teabagger, at the outside.  But mostly, Cantor.  And if you have to choose between an ineffectual idiot and an evil bastard, you take the one you know and that can be counted on to fail.
 
2013-10-16 10:13:09 AM
s7.postimg.org
 
2013-10-16 10:14:09 AM

MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.


True. Lets not forget that every single jobs bill the president put forth was voted down while the GOP has been mute on jobs since the 2008 election.

The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.
 
2013-10-16 10:17:26 AM

ocd002: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

True. Lets not forget that every single jobs bill the president put forth was voted down while the GOP has been mute on jobs since the 2008 election.

The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha
 
2013-10-16 10:19:01 AM

RedTank: [s7.postimg.org image 850x292]


I'm not gonna sine off on that graph, cos I think it's tangential to this argument.
 
2013-10-16 10:19:41 AM
 
2013-10-16 10:20:26 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: Boehner couldn't lead House Republicans to an open bar right now.


Why would he?  More booze for him that way.
 
2013-10-16 10:20:44 AM

ocd002: The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.


The Dems' only shot next year is if the Republicans Akin themselves out of seats.

Teabaggers get insanely mad at congress for passing the funding/debt ceiling bills, primary them with some crazy nutcase who has to assure the public she's not a witch, independents are turned off and vote D, and Democratic base goes out and vote in total panic in case the nutcases get elected.  But if it's a big teabagger primary swing, Republican base will likely be more fired-up than apathetic, unfortunately.  Complete Republican apathy is another option, but it would likely be coupled with typical Democratic apathy too, so status quo continues.
 
2013-10-16 10:23:18 AM
 
2013-10-16 10:23:39 AM

T-Servo: I'm not sure I like the headline's metaphor, seeing as a zombie apocalypse is what we're fearing the most now.

/need some new mods for my baseball bat


I'm not a gun person...do edged weapons work on zombies?

/ that doubled-headed battle-axe hanging beside my door might come in handy after all...
 
2013-10-16 10:25:35 AM

Carn: ocd002: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

True. Lets not forget that every single jobs bill the president put forth was voted down while the GOP has been mute on jobs since the 2008 election.

The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha


If the Republicans kick out the tea party and the tea party folks run as 3rd party, they could split the vote enough to give wins to the Democrats.
 
2013-10-16 10:26:14 AM

DemonEater: ocd002: The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.

The Dems' only shot next year is if the Republicans Akin themselves out of seats.

Teabaggers get insanely mad at congress for passing the funding/debt ceiling bills, primary them with some crazy nutcase who has to assure the public she's not a witch, independents are turned off and vote D, and Democratic base goes out and vote in total panic in case the nutcases get elected.  But if it's a big teabagger primary swing, Republican base will likely be more fired-up than apathetic, unfortunately.  Complete Republican apathy is another option, but it would likely be coupled with typical Democratic apathy too, so status quo continues.


You know that lunch Obama had with 20 of them.  The whole idea was to simply get photos of them with Obama.  He releases the photos of him with those guys and they will have to primary in someone even crazier/stupider (a la Akin as you mentioned).
 
2013-10-16 10:27:46 AM
Really submitter? Because here in Kansas we still have plenty of assholes. I see them every day.
 
2013-10-16 10:30:03 AM

mrshowrules: You know that lunch Obama had with 20 of them. The whole idea was to simply get photos of them with Obama. He releases the photos of him with those guys and they will have to primary in someone even crazier/stupider (a la Akin as you mentioned).


Trololobama needs to hang out with the Republicans as much as he can between now and Primary season.  As many pictures as he can get of himself playing golf, eating, and generally palling around with smiling happy Republican congressmen.

Obama doesn't have to make his base happy anymore, and oh MAN the teabagger effect will cause primary devastation like you've never seen before.  I like it.
 
2013-10-16 10:32:36 AM

born_yesterday: RedTank: [s7.postimg.org image 850x292]

I'm not gonna sine off on that graph, cos I think it's tangential to this argument.


you there, have an internet.
 
2013-10-16 10:33:57 AM

MindStalker: Carn: ocd002: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

True. Lets not forget that every single jobs bill the president put forth was voted down while the GOP has been mute on jobs since the 2008 election.

The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha

If the Republicans kick out the tea party and the tea party folks run as 3rd party, they could split the vote enough to give wins to the Democrats.


And that is why the GOP won't kick the Tea Party out.
 
2013-10-16 10:38:14 AM

syzygy whizz: T-Servo: I'm not sure I like the headline's metaphor, seeing as a zombie apocalypse is what we're fearing the most now.

/need some new mods for my baseball bat

I'm not a gun person...do edged weapons work on zombies?

/ that doubled-headed battle-axe hanging beside my door might come in handy after all...


Useful for cutting off heads and/or limbs. I prefer katanas and machetes myself, but axes work if you're in a group- otherwise recovery time is too slow.
 
2013-10-16 10:40:48 AM

apoptotic: MindStalker: Carn: ocd002: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

True. Lets not forget that every single jobs bill the president put forth was voted down while the GOP has been mute on jobs since the 2008 election.

The Dems need to win the 2014 election if the president is going to get anything else done before his term is up. People only seem to get out and vote in the midterms when they are ticked off at the other side so maybe the republicans will sit this one out or vote for someone non republican.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha

If the Republicans kick out the tea party and the tea party folks run as 3rd party, they could split the vote enough to give wins to the Democrats.

And that is why the GOP won't kick the Tea Party out.


Yep.  Look at the 2010 Colorado Governor's race.   They took a race that the GOP were probably slightly favored to win, Tom Tancredo spit off and made it a 3 party race, and the Democrat ended up winning in a landslide.    That's why the GOP will never kick out 30-50% of their voting block.
 
2013-10-16 10:48:03 AM

DemonEater: Lost Thought 00: Clinton carried the state in 96 - in large part due to Perot splitting the vote. It's gotten more and more Republican every cycle since

Gore played no small part in that.

So it's kinda funny that he lost it himself four years later.

/funny in a hundreds of thousands of people dead, trillions of dollars wasted, and a global recession way


This one statement sums up the Bush years and Republican policies and leadership nicely.  These three results of Republican policy should negate the need for any political discussion about whether "both sides are bad", who someone should vote for,  etc.

And yet, the TEA party was formed, ostensibly, because the Republic Party wasn't conservative enough!
 
2013-10-16 10:53:17 AM

netweavr: quickdraw: netweavr: Weaver95: It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.

[teenmomtalk.com image 480x600]

Netweavr you have no poetry in your soul. Go read some Rilke' or at least some Kipling ffs.

I prefer the contemporary equivalents of Busta Rhymes and 50 cent.


Fine. We'll meet in the middle  - Ginsberg

I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix,
angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night,
who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz,
who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tenement roofs illuminated,
who passed through universities with radiant cool eyes hallucinating Arkan- sas and Blake-light tragedy among the scholars of war,
 
2013-10-16 10:54:33 AM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Does anyone remember that scene in Rome where Marc Antony is supposed to veto a symbolic measure to declare Caesar an outlaw but gets shouted down by a mob of senators before he can actually raise the veto, with the end result being the destruction of the Republic over a measure that no one, including the people who raised it, wanted to actually pass?

Yeah, I'm kind of getting that feeling while watching this mess. Let's hope that the consequences for our own republic won't be as dire.


Actually, four centuries of drinking, whoring, and feeding Christians to lions sounds pretty good!
 
2013-10-16 10:56:09 AM
InmanRoshi: ....Yep.  Look at the 2010 Colorado Governor's race.   They took a race that the GOP were probably slightly favored to win, Tom Tancredo spit off and made it a 3 party race, and the Democrat ended up winning in a landslide.    That's why the GOP will never kick out 30-50% of their voting block.

If thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, bro.
 
2013-10-16 11:02:14 AM

eurotrash: I have to say I think Boehner and McConnell has been playing this very smart, and no I am not ironic.
The old republican guard want to get the Tea party since they can't win the senate with them, and also primaries.

By playing it this way they will most likely keep the house, the gerrymandering and the focusing of the establishement to fight the Tea party will maintain the balance as it is now. The people will have forgotten about this derp by the time 2014 elections come along but the tea party crazy will carry over.

Now the smart thing they did was not only to expose tea party as unable to govern but by creating the bill to open government and avoid default in the senate they have made senate republicans look good. All of a sudden senate republicans are appealing to independents again, so in short:

House is safe republican in 2014, midterms are always better for R
Senate became sane again and greatly increases the R chances to grab the missing seats back.

Smart play, I have to say it looks impressive


Yes, very impressive.  Except that's not how it works.
So, you think the republicans are now going to start producing more moderate candidates out of their primaries because the Tea party folks have seen the error of their ways.  I think just the opposite.  They will start producing more "true american patriots" in their primaries and they will lose Senate races. And they will lose some house seats, though probably not enough to lose control.

Also, as far as "making Republican Senators look good", you realize Ted Cruz is a Republican Senator, and this thing isn't over yet.  He still has a chance to "look good" by filibustering the deal.
 
2013-10-16 11:02:29 AM
Republicans look to Boehner, 
Boehner looks to Ted Cruz, 
Ted Cruz looks to Tea Party, 
Tea Party looks to constituents, 
Constituents look to God, 
God looks to Republicans and says, 'Don't look at me, Ted Cruz and the Tea Party created this mess.'

/not mine
//but good
 
2013-10-16 11:29:25 AM

RisaTravelAgent: They will start producing more "true american patriots" in their primaries and they will lose Senate races. And they will lose some house seats, though probably not enough to lose control.


I'm a little more hopeful.  You have to think that in these gerrymandered tea-districts there's a fair amount of "hold your nose and vote GOP" types.  Maybe a significant percentage, like say...  5 or 10%.  The point of gerrymandering is not to build yourself super-safe strongholds, it's to try to make a few ultra-other guy districts where the other party will win by huge margins and then you're left with winnable races to pick up the majority of representatives.

Now, I'm sure the American people probably won't remember this debt "crisis" next year unless the US actually defaults, but there's still a year left for the teahaddists to wreak their specific brand of wilfully incompetent government on the nation.  If they piss off enough people who usually just automatically vote GOP but really aren't ideologically pure, we could see big swings in gerrymandered districts.  Look at last cycle, Bachmann nearly lost (and she's getting out while the gettin's good) and Alan West lost his seat.  There were also a few rape-loving GOP senators that lost seats they should have had.

If the tea partiers hold the course, we might see a Dem house, senate and presidency in 2014.
 
2013-10-16 11:53:12 AM

TheNewJesus: Really submitter? Because here in Kansas we still have plenty of assholes. I see them every day.


And we're all glad you've got gainful employment at a proctologist's office.

/got nothin
 
2013-10-16 11:59:25 AM

T-Servo: syzygy whizz: T-Servo: I'm not sure I like the headline's metaphor, seeing as a zombie apocalypse is what we're fearing the most now.

/need some new mods for my baseball bat

I'm not a gun person...do edged weapons work on zombies?

/ that doubled-headed battle-axe hanging beside my door might come in handy after all...

Useful for cutting off heads and/or limbs. I prefer katanas and machetes myself, but axes work if you're in a group- otherwise recovery time is too slow.


Bladed weapons require a great amount of training and practice not to get hung up on bones and joints. Blunt melee weapons are less sexy but more practical.
 
2013-10-16 12:05:06 PM

Mouldy Squid: T-Servo: syzygy whizz: T-Servo: I'm not sure I like the headline's metaphor, seeing as a zombie apocalypse is what we're fearing the most now.

/need some new mods for my baseball bat

I'm not a gun person...do edged weapons work on zombies?

/ that doubled-headed battle-axe hanging beside my door might come in handy after all...

Useful for cutting off heads and/or limbs. I prefer katanas and machetes myself, but axes work if you're in a group- otherwise recovery time is too slow.

Bladed weapons require a great amount of training and practice not to get hung up on bones and joints. Blunt melee weapons are less sexy but more practical.


I work a few blocks from Capitol Hill. I'm willing to go there and practice for a while.
 
2013-10-16 12:10:16 PM

hardinparamedic: Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?!

[images.wikia.com image 850x637]

You SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATE the potential danger the democrats pose. This shutdown will continue. And fear will keep the local gerrymandered districts in line.


What are those things in his tunic pockets?
 
2013-10-16 12:11:32 PM

T-Servo: I prefer katanas and machetes myself, but axes work if you're in a group- otherwise recovery time is too slow.


farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-16 12:19:13 PM

JAYoung: One-on-one, these TEA party types aren't too bad, but they get uppity when they get in a group.


It's populism. And it's a great case study in why populism tends to lead to bad, bad things.
 
2013-10-16 12:58:48 PM

2wolves: What are those things in his tunic pockets?


Code Cylinders.
 
2013-10-16 01:18:40 PM

hardinparamedic: 2wolves: What are those things in his tunic pockets?

Code Cylinders.


Thank you.
 
2013-10-16 04:52:58 PM

born_yesterday: DemonEater: Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office. Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.

I realize my FB experiences are anecdotal, but these people will NEVER change their minds or their votes.  The ACA is the most evil thing ever, guaranteed to destroy America, Obama is the most incompetent president ever, and all of the Democrats are the idiots.  Since they have a remarkable resistance to facts, reason, and logic, they're never going to see or read anything that changes their mind.


It's true. Just like many people went to their graves thinking exactly the same thing about FDR and Social Security. Or Medicaid. Or Medicare. Of food stamps.. But they will die off, and their kids will really like this Obamacare stuff.
 
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