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2013-10-16 06:52:27 AM
If there's one thing I know about today's GOP it's that they will take the rest of us down with them...
 
2013-10-16 07:22:33 AM
I'm not sure I like the headline's metaphor, seeing as a zombie apocalypse is what we're fearing the most now.

/need some new mods for my baseball bat
 
2013-10-16 07:37:54 AM
Hahaha, you'll see. This is just Boehner's deeply laid strategy coming to fruition.

Obama will get his comeuppance, mark my words.
 
2013-10-16 07:42:24 AM
It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.
 
2013-10-16 07:42:27 AM
Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.
 
2013-10-16 07:42:31 AM
And what a spasm it was. Let's hope Rigor Mortis has set in before today's Senate vote.
 
2013-10-16 07:44:38 AM
I do have to say that this whole episode has strengthed Obama tremendously. Still don't think Dems will maintain their polling lead through 2014 in order to take the House.
 
2013-10-16 07:44:51 AM

Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.


Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.
 
2013-10-16 07:47:20 AM

DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.


Both sides are bad, so let's start an easily prevented global financial meltdown.
 
2013-10-16 07:47:30 AM

DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.


He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.
 
2013-10-16 07:47:55 AM
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2013-10-16 07:47:59 AM
Political science people and beltway journalists have been proclaiming these are GOP death throes for a long time now.

Nope.

Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office.  Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.
 
2013-10-16 07:49:25 AM

MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.


Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.
 
2013-10-16 07:50:43 AM

DrPainMD: Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.


GOt it. Both sides are bad so vote republican.
 
2013-10-16 07:51:03 AM
Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?!

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You SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATE the potential danger the democrats pose. This shutdown will continue. And fear will keep the local gerrymandered districts in line.
 
2013-10-16 07:52:09 AM

The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.


because hes just so Bla...
 
2013-10-16 07:52:17 AM

DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.


If he was nothing but GWB3, then why would the Republicans NOT like him?

And until Obama starts a program of firing career, non-political employees, and replacing them solely from barely accredited liberal arts colleges based on political affiliation it's not the same. Oh, and Bush 3 would have had us in Libya and Syria with boots on the ground.
 
2013-10-16 07:54:27 AM

DemonEater: Political science people and beltway journalists have been proclaiming these are GOP death throes for a long time now.

Nope.

Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office.  Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.


Oh they are dead, they just don't know it yet. Simple demographics have killed them. Their racist, sexist base is slowly dieing.

If only death panels were a real thing.
 
2013-10-16 07:54:29 AM

DrPainMD: Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.


I know.  Both sides are bad, amirite?
 
2013-10-16 07:54:46 AM

DrPainMD: Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.


Please explain? Oh wait, you're just spouting nonsense. Ok then. Great job buddy, that was a valid point, but maybe you want to go watch cartoons or something.
 
2013-10-16 07:54:55 AM
Unfortunately, if what comes out of the Senate is anything other than a clean bill to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling, the GOP will claim they won. That's how the media will report it, and lo, that's how it shall be.

Boehner could* spin it that he punted the whole thing to the Senate in order to force Reid to agree to concessions, put him in his place etc.

*if he wasn't a fear-addled buffoon whose staff are likely (or at least should be) too pissed off over the Vitter Amendment shenanigans to help him spin anything more complicated than a hula hoop.
 
2013-10-16 07:54:56 AM
These people don't have a plan, they just want to vote no against everything.
 
2013-10-16 07:55:32 AM

Lost Thought 00: And what a spasm it was. Let's hope Rigor Mortis has set in before today's Senate vote.


Rigor Mortis won't set in for another couple of years.
 
2013-10-16 07:56:26 AM

Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...


He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.
 
2013-10-16 07:56:32 AM

DemonEater: Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office. Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.


sure they will. Just like they were supposed to win the presidency and senate in 2012...and the senate and house in 2010. If they lose seats in the House, it'll be a very telling sign that their time has come. They have rigged the system to stay in power. If that system fails them, then that means they're pretty screwed, and in a fair districting system, they'd get their asses handed to them.

When you rig the system, even a small loss is a giant victory for the other side
 
2013-10-16 07:56:47 AM

ghall3: If there's one thing I know about today's GOP it's that they will take the rest of us down with them...


My favorite FB derp this morning?  An image with the text:

[  ] Democrat
[  ]Republican
[X] Angry American

So, do you think the comments were filled with people who were angry about the cost of the Republican obstructionism? Do you think for a second that a single one of those shiat-eating fark heads had ANYTHING negative to say about the Republicans?  It was all about how the ACA is going to doom us all.

That's where they are right now.  They're pissed---they they lost, that the black guy won, however you want to look at it.  And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is find one that supported GW.  Buncha farking ignorant crybabies.
 
2013-10-16 07:56:59 AM

Corvus: These people don't have a plan, they just want to vote no against everything.


You know, the funny thing is that they're going to keep up with the American Exceptionalism and farking over the global economy, and other countries are going to get tired of this shiat and restructure their financial and economic markets such that America is no longer the center, but rather the outlier.

China's already taking advantage of the chaos to call for it.
 
2013-10-16 07:58:26 AM

DemonEater: Political science people and beltway journalists have been proclaiming these are GOP death throes for a long time now.

Nope.

Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office.  Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.


Even with the house, this episode has exposed them as hopelessly fractured and they've already shown the competition all of their trick plays.
 
2013-10-16 08:00:00 AM
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.
 
2013-10-16 08:01:06 AM

hardinparamedic: Corvus: These people don't have a plan, they just want to vote no against everything.

You know, the funny thing is that they're going to keep up with the American Exceptionalism and farking over the global economy, and other countries are going to get tired of this shiat and restructure their financial and economic markets such that America is no longer the center, but rather the outlier.

China's already taking advantage of the chaos to call for it.



And then blame Obama for what they caused.
 
2013-10-16 08:03:23 AM
Meh
 
2013-10-16 08:03:41 AM

Elegy: Hahaha, you'll see. This is just Boehner's deeply laid strategy coming to fruition.

Obama will get his comeuppance, mark my words.


skeery
 
2013-10-16 08:04:08 AM

DemonEater: Come next election, they'll ride the xenophobia, racism, knee-jerk fear of socialism, homophobia, and Good Christian Values right back into office. Not in quite as many seats as they might have otherwise - this theatre may cost them one or two of the senate seats they were otherwise likely to pick up - but they're really unlikely to lose the House because of this crap.


I realize my FB experiences are anecdotal, but these people will NEVER change their minds or their votes.  The ACA is the most evil thing ever, guaranteed to destroy America, Obama is the most incompetent president ever, and all of the Democrats are the idiots.  Since they have a remarkable resistance to facts, reason, and logic, they're never going to see or read anything that changes their mind.
 
2013-10-16 08:04:21 AM

born_yesterday: ghall3: If there's one thing I know about today's GOP it's that they will take the rest of us down with them...

My favorite FB derp this morning?  An image with the text:

[  ] Democrat
[  ]Republican
[X] Angry American

So, do you think the comments were filled with people who were angry about the cost of the Republican obstructionism? Do you think for a second that a single one of those shiat-eating fark heads had ANYTHING negative to say about the Republicans?  It was all about how the ACA is going to doom us all.

That's where they are right now.  They're pissed---they they lost, that the black guy won, however you want to look at it.  And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is find one that supported GW.  Buncha farking ignorant crybabies.


That's the part that really gets me. I don't see how anyone can be standing behind the republicans at this point, yet here we are. I do like McCain's comment today though (or maybe last night) something along the lines of "Time to grow up, we knew we were going to lose, we lost, let's get back to work and fight another day".  People need to realize that is the reality, but it really seems like it is too late for that at this point too many people are living in their own realities that have nothing to do with what is actually happening
 
2013-10-16 08:04:33 AM

DrPainMD: Neither party really has any legitimacy as a political entity.


Amusing how people trot that both sides are bad only when there is something wrong with the GOP. Well, your concern in trying to downplay the screw-ups GOP and your goal to derail the thread into a discussion how the democrats are bad are noted.
 
2013-10-16 08:04:38 AM

Corvus: hardinparamedic: Corvus: These people don't have a plan, they just want to vote no against everything.

You know, the funny thing is that they're going to keep up with the American Exceptionalism and farking over the global economy, and other countries are going to get tired of this shiat and restructure their financial and economic markets such that America is no longer the center, but rather the outlier.

China's already taking advantage of the chaos to call for it.


And then blame Obama for what they caused.


Or gay marriage. Or Abortion. Or godless communists.

Or the lack of "Traditional Christian Values (TM)"

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Whatever gets the 45+ (The average age of a Republican Voter is 45) crowd out of their rascals and recliners away from Fox News to vote.
 
2013-10-16 08:05:19 AM

Weaver95: It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel....kinda sad really. This impending collapse was outright manufactured by a few wing nuts and the weak willed GOP modates let it happen. Ah well, maybe I'll find a good place to loot when the riots start up in November.


It's amazing what we let the crazies get away with sometimes. What's funny "irony" is that this will probably do what they feared would happen and create a dictatorship in the country. Self-fulfilling prophecy assholes
 
2013-10-16 08:06:05 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...

He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.


welcome to favorites.  do you have a color preference?
 
2013-10-16 08:06:07 AM

Corvus: And then blame Obama for what they caused.


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Amazing how often this image is relevant
 
2013-10-16 08:07:04 AM

hardinparamedic: Corvus: These people don't have a plan, they just want to vote no against everything.

You know, the funny thing is that they're going to keep up with the American Exceptionalism and farking over the global economy, and other countries are going to get tired of this shiat and restructure their financial and economic markets such that America is no longer the center, but rather the outlier.

China's already taking advantage of the chaos to call for it.


America has maybe two or three years to get its shiat together, before the Eurozone stabilizes enough to look like a safer long-term prospect. fark about longer and the reserve currency status that makes America's debt so manageable will start to be chipped away bit by bit.
 
2013-10-16 08:09:31 AM

DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.


Why would they keep their word?  Men and women of honor do that.  Did you not know this?
 
2013-10-16 08:10:27 AM

Albino Squid: America has maybe two or three years to get its shiat together, before the Eurozone stabilizes enough to look like a safer long-term prospect. fark about longer and the reserve currency status that makes America's debt so manageable will start to be chipped away bit by bit.


The scary thing is that the shift to a sinocentric global economic situation would probably be feeding into the Right's paranoia and desires to tighten government control of personal freedoms in the United States.

It's ironic, isn't it?
 
2013-10-16 08:10:35 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: welcome to favorites. do you have a color preference?


I think he prefers something half and half
 
2013-10-16 08:12:26 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Doctor Funkenstein: Mcavity: The Homer Tax: MindStalker: DrPainMD: "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected.

He changed to match the realities that are the office. A single president can't change much. But he certainly has gotten a lot done given the stranglehold that congress has on him.

Here's what I don't get, of Obama is just another GW Bush, why do Republicans hate him so much? They loved GW Bush.

because hes just so Bla...

He even met them half way on that and it wasn't good enough for them.

welcome to favorites.  do you have a color preference?


Is Bla a color?
 
2013-10-16 08:12:44 AM

Lost Thought 00: I do have to say that this whole episode has strengthed Obama tremendously. Still don't think Dems will maintain their polling lead through 2014 in order to take the House.


I think this is another reason why the GOP is pushing so hard RIGHT NOW.  This still gives them time to let the public forget.   Primary season kicks off in about 4-5 months the the main.  So it was be desperate now, or let it go
 
2013-10-16 08:14:29 AM

hardinparamedic: Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?!

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You SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATE the potential danger the democrats pose. This shutdown will continue. And fear will keep the local gerrymandered districts in line.


I always wondered....

If Boehner is Tarkin... does that make Cruz Vader?
 
2013-10-16 08:14:50 AM

hardinparamedic: Albino Squid: America has maybe two or three years to get its shiat together, before the Eurozone stabilizes enough to look like a safer long-term prospect. fark about longer and the reserve currency status that makes America's debt so manageable will start to be chipped away bit by bit.

The scary thing is that the shift to a sinocentric global economic situation would probably be feeding into the Right's paranoia and desires to tighten government control of personal freedoms in the United States.

It's ironic, isn't it?


And scary. Now, they're scared of shadows. Give them macropolitical changes that are both genuinely damaging to American interests and out of their control? Oh lawd.
 
2013-10-16 08:14:52 AM

ghall3: born_yesterday: ghall3: If there's one thing I know about today's GOP it's that they will take the rest of us down with them...

My favorite FB derp this morning?  An image with the text:

[  ] Democrat
[  ]Republican
[X] Angry American

So, do you think the comments were filled with people who were angry about the cost of the Republican obstructionism? Do you think for a second that a single one of those shiat-eating fark heads had ANYTHING negative to say about the Republicans?  It was all about how the ACA is going to doom us all.

That's where they are right now.  They're pissed---they they lost, that the black guy won, however you want to look at it.  And all you have to do to understand how Republicans react to losing is find one that supported GW.  Buncha farking ignorant crybabies.

That's the part that really gets me. I don't see how anyone can be standing behind the republicans at this point, yet here we are. I do like McCain's comment today though (or maybe last night) something along the lines of "Time to grow up, we knew we were going to lose, we lost, let's get back to work and fight another day".  People need to realize that is the reality, but it really seems like it is too late for that at this point too many people are living in their own realities that have nothing to do with what is actually happening


McCains one of the last truly "party of personal responsibility" "bootstrap" Republicans. As opposed to this mass of whining, entititled, spiteful, ignorant victims that makes up the party today.

What's ironic is that he's actually responsible for a whole lot of what the GOP has become today with his choice of running mate in 08.
 
2013-10-16 08:16:07 AM
If the Dems stay away from gun control they will control 100% if the government for the next 10 years after this.
 
2013-10-16 08:16:45 AM

DrPainMD: Alphax: It certainly puts down, like a mad dog, the idea that Republicans can be negotiated with.  They can't even agree with themselves, nor will they keep their word on anything.

Why would they keep their word? "Hope and change" Obama turned out to be nothing more than G.W. Bush III, and he got re-elected. As long as people hold their noses and vote for the candidate they hate the least, nobody in D.C. is going to pay any attention to what the people want.


Right other than:

Abortion
Healthcare
Stimulus
Tax policy
Getting Osama Bin Laden
Women's right (Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act )
Gay rights
Wall Street Reform (Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act  )
Saving the Auto industry
Stopping torture policy
Removing Banks from student loans
Increase fuel standards
Increased Veteran benefits
Created new EPA restrictions on dirty power plants
Passed credit card reforms
Put sane judges on SCOTUS
Improved food safety on FDA
Expanded AmeriCorps
Passed fair sentencing act
Reduced defense spending
Added more land to parks
Made large investments in renewable energy
Improved school nutrition
Expanded health coverage for children
Expanded stem cell research
and many many other things...

Other than those "small" things he is exactly like Bush! amirite?
 
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