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(Chicago Sun-Times)   If you find rare and valuable historical documents and you're not getting offered enough money for them, you should just burn them because that's better than nothing   (suntimes.com) divider line 106
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2013-10-16 01:35:40 AM
Harvard is greedy?  Does this things have actual cash value to Harvard?  Are they charging $5 a head to have a look at them or something?  This guy should employed a reputable antiquity dealer to handle this.  To Harvard I would imagine having them burned is a better outcome than having them end up in the "Rand Paul's Museum of Stuff That Proves Liberals are the REAL Racists."
 
2013-10-16 01:43:14 AM
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2013-10-16 01:53:14 AM

Fafai: Gyrfalcon: Ghastly: TheMega:
I think you're getting a little too worked up over this. Noone is killing children. The guy in TFA wants to send his children to college.

I think it's messed up that he can own these documents after finding them on the job, but if they are legally his, there's no point in getting all outraged at someone who wants to destroy his own property.


Allow me to present another argument:

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2013-10-16 01:54:31 AM
Someone this stupid will not have any of the college funds left by the time his 9yr olds get to go, if they want to that is.
 
2013-10-16 01:59:35 AM
If an item has been appraised for a shiatload of money, and the first bidder doesn't offer anywhere near said shiatload, doesn't it make sense for the seller to decline and wait for another offer?
 
2013-10-16 01:59:54 AM

ladyfortuna: Fafai: Gyrfalcon: Ghastly: TheMega:
I think you're getting a little too worked up over this. Noone is killing children. The guy in TFA wants to send his children to college.

I think it's messed up that he can own these documents after finding them on the job, but if they are legally his, there's no point in getting all outraged at someone who wants to destroy his own property.

Allow me to present another argument:

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I agree, it should be in a museum. The problem is that the law doesn't agree. Apparently this guy is legally allowed to just keep all this historic stuff he found while on the job, so we have to play within the lines here. Shoulda woulda coulda, sure. But it sounds like this stuff actually belongs to the guy. It's up to him what happens to it. The other problem is people who think this is the same as killing kids for some reason.
 
2013-10-16 02:00:54 AM
Rufus the Doofus. Need a match?
 
2013-10-16 02:09:21 AM

Gyrfalcon: Gee, I wonder who taught him being an insensitive, selfish, mean-spirited prick with no other concern but the bottom line was a sound business practice, and that holding history hostage instead of appreciating astonishing value for its own sake and that of his children was a good negotiating tactic?

Who indeed?


This.
 
2013-10-16 02:09:55 AM
Agree, give the man a match. He needs to make a name for himself for his grandchildren.

/Harvard is more worried about someone thinking they lowballed him.

//This is categorized as "asshole problems"
 
2013-10-16 02:16:04 AM

Fafai: But it sounds like this stuff actually belongs to the guy. It's up to him what happens to it.

So would you have a problem if they demolished Mount Vernon and built a Wal-Mart over the site?
 
2013-10-16 02:20:13 AM

RayD8: Someone this stupid will not have any of the college funds left by the time his 9yr olds get to go, if they want to that is.


It's probably safe to say Harvard's off the list.
 
2013-10-16 02:29:54 AM

Gyrfalcon: Gee, I wonder who taught him being an insensitive, selfish, mean-spirited prick with no other concern but the bottom line was a sound business practice, and that holding history hostage instead of appreciating astonishing value for its own sake and that of his children was a good negotiating tactic?

Who indeed?


Probably his mom.
 
2013-10-16 02:34:08 AM

the ha ha guy: Fafai: But it sounds like this stuff actually belongs to the guy. It's up to him what happens to it.

So would you have a problem if they demolished Mount Vernon and built a Wal-Mart over the site?


This is what I'm saying. There should be a law. As it stands, the law is on this guy's side so it doesn't really matter how many people disagree with him or think he's dumb for threatening to burn historical documents. I'm one of those people. I'm saying he's dumb. But he isn't the problem here. It's the law that lets him do this.

Demolishing Mount Vernon wouldn't impact me in the slightest. I'd skip the article and go straight to enjoying the butthurt in the comments.
 
2013-10-16 02:35:30 AM
Harvard?

REALLY?

www.suntimes.com

Looks more like a Yale man  to me.
 
2013-10-16 02:35:37 AM

Fafai: I think you're getting a little too worked up over this. Noone is killing children. The guy in TFA wants to send his children to college.


Right, and instead of realizing that something is only worth what people will pay for it, he would rather just burn his children's future.  Right there, right in front of them.

And how does any of this teach Harvard a lesson?  They've been content this long without the documents.  I'm sure they'll move on just fine while the internet hate machine makes the life of that guy and his kids hell for a few months.
 
2013-10-16 02:47:26 AM
He died in 1922. Tuesday March 6, 2012.

LOLWUT
 
2013-10-16 02:52:03 AM

WhiskeyBoy: Fafai: I think you're getting a little too worked up over this. Noone is killing children. The guy in TFA wants to send his children to college.

Right, and instead of realizing that something is only worth what people will pay for it, he would rather just burn his children's future.  Right there, right in front of them.

And how does any of this teach Harvard a lesson?  They've been content this long without the documents.  I'm sure they'll move on just fine while the internet hate machine makes the life of that guy and his kids hell for a few months.


Again, not saying I agree with the guy. Just saying it's his perogative to do what he wants. Personally I think he'd be an incredible dumbass to burn those documents. That he's allowed to do it at all is the problem.
 
2013-10-16 03:00:42 AM
If he is (as he says) trying to fund his children's college future, it seems that it would make more sense to negotiate a pair of scholarships that they can take up when they reach the appropriate age. It wouldn't end up costing the university that much in total, and would validate that he is doing it for that reason and not just for the cash.
 
2013-10-16 03:06:24 AM

Fafai: Noone is killing children.


Whit? He always seemed so harmless.

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2013-10-16 03:20:03 AM

www.breitbartunmasked.com


"Let's just make that go away. Hmmm? Ok? Great. No wait. Hold on. YES! That's IT! Keep doing that. Hold tight. My guys will call you shortly."

 
2013-10-16 03:24:48 AM

Gordon Bennett: Fafai: Noone is killing children.

Whit? He always seemed so harmless.

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Wow. That is...remarkable.
 
2013-10-16 03:25:17 AM

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"NICK? Why do you keep shouting that at me?" Who's NNNICK!? That guy was named NICK too? Jesus."

 
2013-10-16 03:37:03 AM
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2013-10-16 04:24:31 AM

garkola: I guess this is how blacks negotiate? "Give me what I want, or I'll burn your city down." No wonder Africa is such a paragon of human civilization.


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2013-10-16 04:28:03 AM

Uncle Tractor: garkola: I guess this is how blacks negotiate? "Give me what I want, or I'll burn your city down." No wonder Africa is such a paragon of human civilization.

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On the plus side, if he manages to sell, he'll have plenty of money for crack.

Also skrimps.
 
2013-10-16 04:30:27 AM
burn them.  who honestly gives a fark about the first black man to graduate from Harvard?  what's next on the auction block, the fossilized placenta of the first black man to graduate from the birth canal?
 
2013-10-16 05:01:44 AM
Wow, these threads really bring out the racists, don't they? Like moths to a flame.
 
2013-10-16 05:08:05 AM
Wow. He sounds neither attractive nor successful. Self-hating perhaps.
 
2013-10-16 05:11:25 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Wow, these threads really bring out the racists, don't they? Like moths to a flame.


Welcome to Fark. We have a guy who calls himself ThisMonthInBlackHistory for FSM's sake.
 
2013-10-16 05:38:32 AM
burningplastic:
If he is (as he says) trying to fund his children's college future, it seems that it would make more sense to negotiate a pair of scholarships that they can take up when they reach the appropriate age. It wouldn't end up costing the university that much in total, and would validate that he is doing it for that reason and not just for the cash.

That's assuming they could hack it at Harvard.  Maybe they're just average and would want to go to state, or prefer to become electricians or something.

I think he's just old and bitter, and perceives that an institution with deep pockets is nickel-and-diming a working black man.  But they're not going to pay whatever he asks, because that's not how it works.  Hopefully he won't destroy a piece of black history to make his point.
 
2013-10-16 06:02:23 AM
Other than gong to Harvard (being deal?) what has this man accomplished that makes his papers so valuable? Do they contain the formula for Coca-Cola or recipe for KFC?

Given that most of the problems we face can be attributed to the policies and actions of Ivy school graduates (many of them from Harvard) I would think their value would be quite low. Probably the only value to Harvard degree is the cost of obtain one not in any real quality in the actual education provided given that the chief qualification of many graduates is their families ability to afford to send them their.

I think it time we gave graduates from directional schools, A&Is, A&Ms, polytechs and Mines and Technology and shot at running things as they certainly could not do any worse.
 
2013-10-16 06:28:26 AM
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2013-10-16 06:59:05 AM

hasty ambush: Other than gong to Harvard (being deal?) what has this man accomplished that makes his papers so valuable? Do they contain the formula for Coca-Cola or recipe for KFC?

Given that most of the problems we face can be attributed to the policies and actions of Ivy school graduates (many of them from Harvard) I would think their value would be quite low. Probably the only value to Harvard degree is the cost of obtain one not in any real quality in the actual education provided given that the chief qualification of many graduates is their families ability to afford to send them their.

I think it time we gave graduates from directional schools, A&Is, A&Ms, polytechs and Mines and Technology and shot at running things as they certainly could not do any worse.



You went to Harvard, didn't you.

/Harvard school of Truck Driving. Harvard, Alabama
 
2013-10-16 07:08:45 AM
52-year-old contractor Rufus McDonald

A beautiful and successful name for a beautiful and successful individual. If I were Harvard I would withdraw whatever they offered and tell him to go ahead and burn them.
 
2013-10-16 07:10:53 AM
Harvard should just tell him they won't buy them at any price and are no longer interested in the documents.

fark this guy.
 
2013-10-16 07:48:35 AM
Couldn't he have, I don't know, sent them to auction or tried to offer them to some other University instead?
 
2013-10-16 07:54:00 AM

Bslim: 52-year-old contractor Rufus McDonald

A beautiful and successful name for a beautiful and successful individual. If I were Harvard I would withdraw whatever they offered and tell him to go ahead and burn them.


So, give the guy a 'bugger off', for his name, age and profession; and that's assuming you aren't taking into account his race.  That is so wrong, and I am sure this is not the first time he has encountered that kind of treatment from idiots.  The threat of burning the documents comes directly from that kind of treatment, as he is tired of not being taken seriously.  With no other evidence, I see this man as an honest working man who does have quality and determination to get things done for his family.  I can't say the same for you.
 
2013-10-16 08:16:26 AM

Fafai: Gyrfalcon: Ghastly: TheMega: So he can sell just two of the documents for $52,000 and is insulted with $7500 for everything else including the diploma (which I would think would be a centerpiece of the display).   Yeah.... I'm going to have to go with burning the damned things before letting those greedy bastards even touch them.

Reaaaaally? Burn them all. So if you had a car worth $52K and were selling it and somebody offered you $7.5K for it you'd burn the car? You wouldn't.... oh I don't know... look for another buyer? Hold onto it until someone made a more reasonable offer? You'd just torch your car because someone tried to low ball you? That's really what you would do?

Ghastly, darling, the prevailing attitude in America these days, if you haven't noticed, is no longer "F*ck you, I've got mine," it's become "You want what I've got and won't meet my price? Then watch as I destroy what I've got JUST TO SPITE YOU." The correct answer is not only would this fool torch a $52,000 car because the first buyer wouldn't give him more than $7500, he'd put his own kids inside and the deed to his own house just to watch the "greedy" buyer cry harder. It is, after all, the New American (pat. pend.) way.

I think you're getting a little too worked up over this. Noone is killing children. The guy in TFA wants to send his children to college.

I think it's messed up that he can own these documents after finding them on the job, but if they are legally his, there's no point in getting all outraged at someone who wants to destroy his own property. It would be extremely stupid to burn them, for several reasons (best thing would be to preserve them and pass them on to his kids), but I don't see anything wrong with holding out for a fair price. Hopefully it's just an empty threat.


Obviously then it's just a matter of time until some law enforcement agency swoops down and seizes then "for their own protection."

All your documents are belong to us
 
2013-10-16 08:22:53 AM
Wow, that the writer of that article could think of no other way to describe Henry Louis Gates other than "Barack Obama's friend."

Put the papers up for auction through a dealer that specializes in such things, such as Heritage (handled MLK's papers) or LL Auctions (did the estate of John Hope Franklin). If Harvard wants to bid, they can compete in the marketplace. Otherwise, fark 'em. I'm sure Duke, Temple, Howard, etc, would be happy to bid.
 
2013-10-16 08:49:13 AM
"oh sure, like he really went to Harvard...."

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2013-10-16 09:11:33 AM
As much money as Harvard has (I remember that it's endowment is one of the biggest in the world) they should be able to offer a reasonable price. Though the guy seems to be a special kind of idiot negotiator to threaten to destroy the documents. Of course he won't destroy them, I can't even imagine he would rather have nothing than even just hold on to the documents. Hell, I would take them to Sotheby's and auction them away.
 
2013-10-16 09:54:14 AM
University archivist Elizabeth West said South Carolina's purchase of the two "priceless" Greener documents filled an important hole in the school's history. For decades, white racists tried to wipe out any trace of the short-lived reconstruction-era integration at the university, going so far as to cut pages out of books that referred to black students and faculty such as Greener, she said.

That a black man is threatening to burn all these documents is a proud testament to how far we have come as a nation.  We can now declare racism a thing of the past!
 
2013-10-16 10:14:25 AM
I actually have an idiot cousin that does something like this.

He digs up and collects old bottles, some are worth a lot of money, but the ones that are "only" worth a few dollars he doesn't care to keep and he smashes them up because he doesn't want others to have them.
 
2013-10-16 10:16:31 AM
So he's threatening to do what racist white asswipes have been doing for years (trying to eradicate any good things that people of color have accomplished)........

Give that fool his white robe and pointy hat please

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2013-10-16 10:35:32 AM
So he sold the Lexus for $52k and is upset that he can't sell the beater for the same amount.  Now he's going to learn that normal people don't like negotiating with demanding clowns.  Although, I wouldn't be surprised if some fool gave in and rewarded his childish antics.

On the bright side, he now absolutely has to report the $52k on his tax returns.
 
2013-10-16 11:06:57 AM

fusillade762: McDonald - who recently sold just two of the documents for $52,000 to the University of South Carolina, where Greener also studied and taught - is threatening to torch the rest unless Harvard offers him more cash.

Wonder where he learned that tactic?


William Tecumseh Sherman?
 
2013-10-16 11:44:16 AM

ladyfortuna: I hate to be all 'there oughtta be a law', but in the case of historical documents... there oughtta. Destroy them in anything other than a really obvious accident, jail for at least a year.

/curmudgeon before my time


Does he own them. Because the concept of property rights means that he has the right to destroy his own property
 
2013-10-16 12:38:15 PM

Warlordtrooper: ladyfortuna: I hate to be all 'there oughtta be a law', but in the case of historical documents... there oughtta. Destroy them in anything other than a really obvious accident, jail for at least a year.

/curmudgeon before my time

Does he own them. Because the concept of property rights means that he has the right to destroy his own property


I think he is referring to the fact that there is not a law, and there should be one to prevent this kind of stuff...  I am all for property rights, but when some asshat gets ahold of something that amounts to a priceless national treasure, and threatens to destroy it, or actually does destroy it, there should be stiff consequences.  This kind of shiat is an abuse of property rights and the country that protects those rights...
 
2013-10-16 12:48:31 PM
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Yeah. That happens sometimes.
 
2013-10-16 01:50:03 PM

Vertdang: hasty ambush: Other than gong to Harvard (being deal?) what has this man accomplished that makes his papers so valuable? Do they contain the formula for Coca-Cola or recipe for KFC?

Given that most of the problems we face can be attributed to the policies and actions of Ivy school graduates (many of them from Harvard) I would think their value would be quite low. Probably the only value to Harvard degree is the cost of obtain one not in any real quality in the actual education provided given that the chief qualification of many graduates is their families ability to afford to send them their.

I think it time we gave graduates from directional schools, A&Is, A&Ms, polytechs and Mines and Technology and shot at running things as they certainly could not do any worse.


You went to Harvard, didn't you.

/Harvard school of Truck Driving. Harvard, Alabama


pppfffttt, Roadmaster Drivers school, the Ivy league of Truck Driving Schools.
 
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