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2013-10-15 07:39:46 PM
The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??
 
2013-10-15 07:41:14 PM
That's Sikh,
 
2013-10-15 07:53:26 PM
Under those provisions, the boys must prove their dedication to Islam

Oh, this should end well.
 
2013-10-15 08:36:50 PM
He was trying to lose his religion, perhaps?
 
2013-10-15 09:19:32 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Under those provisions, the boys must prove their dedication to Islam

Oh, this should end well.


With a bang!
 
2013-10-15 09:36:25 PM
Religion is a poison.
 
2013-10-15 09:37:52 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Religion is a poison.


Blind allegiance to authority is the poison. Religion is just a common formulation.
 
2013-10-15 09:40:17 PM

fusillade762: The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??


Seconded, wth would they be attending a Catholic school?
 
2013-10-15 09:40:20 PM
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I got distracted by this under the article. Perhaps I could check and see if she's shaven, too?
 
2013-10-15 09:40:56 PM
Guys, Allah bet jihad a fine reason to grow out his beard, so stop hating, al Qaeda?!
 
2013-10-15 09:43:08 PM

kling_klang_bed: I got distracted by this under the article. Perhaps I could check and see if she's shaven, too?


You bet your ass she's shaven. That's my mother.
 
2013-10-15 09:44:58 PM
Kid is 14, and he can grow a full beard????
 
2013-10-15 09:45:48 PM

fusillade762: The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??


This went down in Merrie Olde England, they don't have official separation of church and state there.  So who the f*ck knows, maybe they'll be rquired to all wear dunce caps for not being Anglican like the Queen.
 
2013-10-15 09:45:51 PM

eyemarten: fusillade762: The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??

Seconded, wth would they be attending a Catholic school?


Probably because the local schools suck
 
2013-10-15 09:45:58 PM

eyemarten: fusillade762: The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??

Seconded, wth would they be attending a Catholic school?


Even atheists can attend parochial schools, as long as they pay the tuition.
 
2013-10-15 09:46:10 PM

DebinCO: Kid is 14, and he can grow a full beard????


Sure, If Allah wills it.
 
2013-10-15 09:46:42 PM

Mithiwithi: AverageAmericanGuy: Religion is a poison.

Blind allegiance to authority is the poison. Religion is just a common formulation.


No. The belief in all-powerful imaginary beings is the poison. It muddles the lines of reality for believers and rots their brain.
 
2013-10-15 09:46:53 PM
Muslim in a Roman catholic school... Yea, great plan...

/raised Lutheran, went to catholic school
//love thy neighbor, my ass.
 
2013-10-15 09:47:25 PM

DebinCO: Kid is 14, and he can grow a full beard????


It's probably some sad wispy thing that should be banned on aesthetics alone.
 
2013-10-15 09:52:00 PM

eatin' fetus: kling_klang_bed: I got distracted by this under the article. Perhaps I could check and see if she's shaven, too?

You bet your ass she's shaven. That's my mother.


How you'd know if your mom's skunk bunker is shaved is kinda creepy. Anywho, mind if I still pump her like the devil's accordian?
 
2013-10-15 09:54:14 PM

fusillade762: The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??


Done in one.  I'm sure the parents were aware of the dress and grooming code when they signed up right?
 
2013-10-15 09:55:39 PM
Great. Muslims going to catholic schools. Then cats playing with dogs. Lions hanging out with zebras. WHEN WILL THE INSANITY END????
 
2013-10-15 09:56:11 PM
Kid in question:
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2013-10-15 09:56:55 PM
Heh. Native English wanting to uphold their own values of standards in their country. What foolishness.
I'm glad their privilege was checked; immigrants shouldn't be expected to adapt to the host country, especially at private schools.

Jesus farking Christ, why do so many white people hate themselves these days? This is just sickening.
 
2013-10-15 09:57:05 PM
i see what I came to say has been covered.
/muslim at catholic school wtf
//pre-pube 'stashe isn't really "facial hair"
///private school so live by the rules or gtfo

beards are awesome... stop banning them.
 
2013-10-15 09:57:53 PM
From the Huffpo:

"Governors have taken the decision to only allow Muslim boys permission to grow a beard as a sign of their faith as long as they have started the Hafiz programme at a mosque."

The programme teaches five to 16-year-olds how to "memorise and review" the Quran.


In other words, they'd have to memorize the whole Quran, after which they'd be expected to know it backwards and forwards, and recite anything from it at the drop of a hat.

I doubt any U.S. Senator ever memorized the whole Constitution.
 
2013-10-15 09:58:37 PM

ArkAngel: eyemarten: fusillade762: The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??

Seconded, wth would they be attending a Catholic school?

Probably because the local schools suck


And there aren't any private schools that aren't religious ones?
 
2013-10-15 09:59:56 PM
Fred Smook?
 
2013-10-15 10:01:33 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: beards are awesome... stop banning them.


i.imgur.com

Not for everyone...
 
2013-10-15 10:04:23 PM
As an atheist with an epic beard I have to side with the students. Even if they're growing beards for the wrong reasons.
 
2013-10-15 10:06:40 PM

Giltric: DebinCO: Kid is 14, and he can grow a full beard????

Sure, If Allah wills it.


Quran 36:82: "But His command, when He intendeth a thing, is only that He saith unto it: Be! and it is." (Pickthall translation.)

As to religion, any religion, "Ecraser l'infame!" (To quote Voltaire.)
 
2013-10-15 10:08:07 PM

eatin' fetus: kling_klang_bed:

I got distracted by this under the article. Perhaps I could check and see if she's shaven, too?

You bet your ass she's shaven. That's my mother.


That's not what Daddy said.
 
2013-10-15 10:08:28 PM

fusillade762: The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??


Some areas have very limited or no selection available when it comes to non-Catholic private schools.  And in some areas, they do heavy recruiting for sports that most other private schools don't do.
 
2013-10-15 10:09:17 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Mithiwithi: AverageAmericanGuy: Religion is a poison.

Blind allegiance to authority is the poison. Religion is just a common formulation.

No. The belief in all-powerful imaginary beings is the poison. It muddles the lines of reality for believers and rots their brain.


So blind obedience to a non-imaginary being is perfectly okay?
 
2013-10-15 10:10:02 PM

Bonzo_1116: DebinCO: Kid is 14, and he can grow a full beard????

It's probably some sad wispy thing that should be banned on aesthetics alone.


Apparently some people's god requires them to look ugly, thus repelling normal women, and attracting women who are into religious dedication. So, your god is your #1, and I'd be a distant second? That's hot, take me now.
 
2013-10-15 10:10:58 PM
The EU Convention on human rights is incredibly stupid if a private school has to allow religious exceptions to its universally applicable dress code.  I'm all for religious freedom, but this is taking it too far.
 
2013-10-15 10:11:57 PM
If you enroll in a Catholic school, you might reasonably expect it will be full of Catholics.

And if you go swimming in the ocean, you might reasonably believe it will be full of salt water.
 
2013-10-15 10:17:42 PM

fusillade762: The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??


The article is wrong, it's not private, it's state funded with voluntary donation assistance:

Link to Gov info on the school in question

The pertinent bit is "local authority maintained". Which, unless the rules have changed drastically since I went to an RC school in Central London many years ago (The London Oratory) means that at a minimum 15% of their pupils have to be self declared as something other than Catholic.
 
2013-10-15 10:20:35 PM
Muslim Student Banned From Catholic School

Seems reasonable. If you want to go to Catholic school: you should at least pretend to be Catholic. Otherwise, go to a public school or a religious school run for you particular flavor of boring Monotheist religion.
 
2013-10-15 10:20:45 PM
I agree with the right wing nutcases on Fox that Muslim clothing, especially for women, is ridiculous. But I never hear anyone criticizing Orthodox Jewish clothing, which is near or perhaps equally ridiculous.

Most Christians seem pretty clothing neutral, I guess, but I suspect they have some rules I'm not remembering right now.

I think only atheists have it right when it comes down to how to dress: however the F you want.*


*for the purpose of this post, clothing includes beards**
**by beards I mean facial hair, not partners adopted to cover the fact that one is gay***
***by gay I mean homosexual
 
2013-10-15 10:20:58 PM
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2013-10-15 10:22:00 PM
CRUSH THE PAPIST SWINE WITH THE ENLIGHTENED BOOT HEEL OF PROTESTANTISM!
 
2013-10-15 10:25:41 PM

fusillade762: The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??



It's actually quite common for 2 main reasons. First, on average, private schools offer better education and since most private schools are affiliated with the Christian faith, you don't have much of a choice. Secondly good luck trying to open up a Muslim only private school in post 9/11 America.
 
2013-10-15 10:26:33 PM
FTA:  [There] will be no change to the school rule which requires boys to be clean shaven. However, following discussions with leaders of the local community, exemptions will be made in certain clearly-defined circumstances.

A school administrator allowed an exception to rules in light of specific circumstances? Apparently he hasn't had the usual prefrontal lobotomy which seems to be a necessary qualification for most scholastic administrators.
 
2013-10-15 10:26:48 PM
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2013-10-15 10:30:29 PM
There very well may be zero catholic high schools or universities with an all-catholic student body. At least probably not in the US or England, maybe some tiny school in a more catholic country like Mexico or Italy.
 
2013-10-15 10:30:29 PM

nickdaisy: I agree with the right wing nutcases on Fox that Muslim clothing, especially for women, is ridiculous. But I never hear anyone criticizing Orthodox Jewish clothing, which is near or perhaps equally ridiculous.

Most Christians seem pretty clothing neutral, I guess, but I suspect they have some rules I'm not remembering right now.

I think only atheists have it right when it comes down to how to dress: however the F you want.*


*for the purpose of this post, clothing includes beards**
**by beards I mean facial hair, not partners adopted to cover the fact that one is gay***
***by gay I mean homosexual


Awwww yeah!
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SHAGADELIC!!!
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2013-10-15 10:31:03 PM

kling_klang_bed: eatin' fetus: kling_klang_bed: I got distracted by this under the article. Perhaps I could check and see if she's shaven, too?

You bet your ass she's shaven. That's my mother.

How you'd know if your mom's skunk bunker is shaved is kinda creepy. Anywho, mind if I still pump her like the devil's accordian?


I'll just leave this here.


Fart_Machine: fusillade762: The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??

Done in one.  I'm sure the parents were aware of the dress and grooming code when they signed up right?


Who says their parents rule their facial hair? And why should they? Keep in mind too that probably the boys' parents chose the school, not them.

If their parents are behind the beards they'll swear the school is wrong (in the USofA they'd sue the school); if it's the boys pushing the beard thing their parents will probably demand they shave -- or memorize the whole damn Quran as the school suggests to teach them a lesson.

Adolescence is hell. It took my father a year of literal battling, including barricading myself in my room, to accept the fact that I wasn't going to be confirmed into the United Methodist Church because I didn't believe in God (or any deity, and still don't); the next year I had to not only fight my dad but also go to juvie jail to stand up for my right to drop out of 8th grade. So if they decided on their own to grow the beards but quail at the thought of memorizing the whole Quran my heart is with them, but if the beards are their idea and they're perfectly okay with "the Hafiz programme" they're obviously cuckoo. (Stupidly I tuned in, turned on and dropped out so young and so hard it was like Wile E. Coyote discovering gravity.)

And if their parents put them up to the Islamic beard thing they should be horsewhipped. For a lot of people parenthood is their chance to be dictators over somebody, which is just plain evil. Generally, there ought to be a certification program to pass with at least a C+ before being allowed to reproduce.

By the way, I've been drinking again.
 
2013-10-15 10:31:21 PM

fusillade762: The students attended the private Mount Carmel Roman Catholic high school

Private school. They can do whatever the hell they want. And why are Muslims going to a Catholic school in the first place??


Exactly.

Why the hell does anyone care?
 
2013-10-15 10:33:02 PM
The Muslim practice of not shaving derives from the same Abrahamic laws that Christians are supposed to follow so I don't see what the big deal is.
 
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