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(Listverse)   L. Ron Hubbard commanded a sub chaser in WW2 and fought a 68 hour 'battle' trying to sink a sub that wasn't there. Later, he bombarded Mexico. He went on to found Scientology, which might explain a lot   (listverse.com) divider line 88
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2013-10-15 08:08:30 PM  
Clam bake
 
2013-10-15 08:09:07 PM  

Misconduc: What you don't know is his executive officer tried to tell him on more then one occasion that he was chasing a phony contact, he ignored it and claimed to sink two submarines off Oregon in 1943.  He lacked essential qualities of judgement something the navy later relieved him of his command for "Lack of Quality judgement, Leadership and Cooperation.


I'm not arguing that.

I'm pointing out that the facts as given by TFA aren't really all that embarrassing, at least as far as they go.  A sonar contact is completely different than a MAD contact, and PC's didn't carry MAD gear, so that's irrelevant to Hubbard's actions.

But I got curious, so I looked it up on Wikipedia, and that article about the action makes *MUCH* more sense than TFA:

In the early hours of 19 May 1943, the crew of PC-815 detected what Hubbard thought was first one then later two Imperial Japanese Navy submarines approximately 10 nautical miles (19 km) off the shore of Cape Lookout. Both the SONAR operator and Lt. Hubbard himself thought that the echo of an active sonar ping, combined with apparent engine noises heard through the ship's hydrophone indicated contact with a submarine.[4]
...
Fletcher added that "there is a known magnetic deposit in the area in which depth charges were dropped", absolving the responding blimps from any fault as their method of detecting submarines relies on a Magnetic Anomaly Detector.


Ah, so that's why it's mentioned.  Can't blame the blimps because they were getting a valid contact on a magnetic anomaly.  It's just that it wasn't a submarine, but it happened to be where a sub chaser (falsely) reported a sonar contact on a submarine.  Makes sense.

I only see the inside of a church at weddings and funerals, and I've got no time for the pseudoscientific claptrap of Scientology.
 
2013-10-15 08:13:37 PM  

Begoggle: HAHA SCIENTOLOGY IS SO STOOPID
Everyone knows God came to Earth as a man and had himself killed for our sins and a guy in a pointy hat relays God's messages to us.


I tend to go with the whole "life evolved spontaneously from well-known chemical reactions combined with energy sources like lightning" sort of thing.

Doesn't require sky wizard or aliens in DC-8's.
 
2013-10-15 08:18:43 PM  
The murderous Che Guerva was also a bufoon as a military commander- he once split his band of thugs in two for a search through the jungle, and the two halves spent a good week shooting at each other.

That doesn't stop proto-commies from wearing his T-shirt though. Well, it might if they knew.
 
2013-10-15 08:20:19 PM  

hardinparamedic: scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic: So Hubbard wasn't completely incompetent, just MOSTLY incompetent?

Good to know.

Man still is one of history's greatest monsters.

[www.xenu.net image 651x574]

WTF kind of slogan is "We Come Back"? What does that even mean?

/I better call a recruiter to find out

One of the tenents of Scientology is a sort of pseudo re-encarnation of the person. Sea Org members (This is what they actually believe) sign a 1 Million year Contract with the toy navy. They actually agree to come back after their re-encarnation to continue their service to the Scientologists.


Yeah, good luck enforcing that in a court of law buddy!
/sorry, I got nothing
 
2013-10-15 08:26:36 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: L. Ron Hubbard in uniform.
[www.nolandalla.com image 498x313]


One of the rare times Fred MacMurray played a villain.
 
2013-10-15 08:31:31 PM  

Biner: scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic:...WTF kind of slogan is "We Come Back"? What does that even mean?...

Sea Org members sign a billion-year contract. They believe they will come back in their subsequent lifetimes and continue their work of "Clearing the Planet".

/I know way too much about Scientology
//My sister is in the Sea Org
///Have worked with LRH's daughter on marketing projects
////I knows Scientology is a load of made-up bullshiat. But no different than any other religion.


The CREED is no different from any other religion. The cultish requirement to avoid SPs, the massive amount of money sucked out of Scientologists for "auditing," the giant squad of attack lawyers thrown at critics, the blatant lies of stealth-Scientology such as the Citizen's Council for Human Rights? That's different. That's what makes them a dangerous cult, not the Xenu nonsense.
 
2013-10-15 08:34:10 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: hardinparamedic: scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic: So Hubbard wasn't completely incompetent, just MOSTLY incompetent?

Good to know.

Man still is one of history's greatest monsters.

[www.xenu.net image 651x574]

WTF kind of slogan is "We Come Back"? What does that even mean?

/I better call a recruiter to find out

One of the tenents of Scientology is a sort of pseudo re-encarnation of the person. Sea Org members (This is what they actually believe) sign a 1 Million year Contract with the toy navy. They actually agree to come back after their re-encarnation to continue their service to the Scientologists.

Yeah, good luck enforcing that in a court of law buddy!
/sorry, I got nothing


Don't worry though, if you die, you get 18 years leave and your next incarnation isn't expected to report until age 18!
 
2013-10-15 08:49:48 PM  
Oh, give him a break. You try sinking a sub that isn't there.
 
2013-10-15 08:54:22 PM  
Hubbard eventually pursued the phantom Japanese submarine into Chihuahua state, where he bombarded Mexico with advance copies of Dianetics from tiny DC 10 shaped spacecraft.

Many psychiatrists died in vain that day. However, the book reviews were terrible and merciless.
 
2013-10-15 09:00:55 PM  

hardinparamedic: scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic: So Hubbard wasn't completely incompetent, just MOSTLY incompetent?

Good to know.

Man still is one of history's greatest monsters.

[www.xenu.net image 651x574]

WTF kind of slogan is "We Come Back"? What does that even mean?

/I better call a recruiter to find out

One of the tenents of Scientology is a sort of pseudo re-encarnation of the person. Sea Org members (This is what they actually believe) sign a 1 Million year Contract with the toy navy. They actually agree to come back after their re-encarnation to continue their service to the Scientologists.


I'm suddenly wondering how they enforce that contract.

The idea of some sap taking the "personality test" and being told they're actually recorporated Sea Org employees and they're late for work (and/or being spirited off to eat Rice and Beans as punishment for not immediately reporting to Sea Org for duty after rebirth) amuses me in a perverse sort of way.
 
2013-10-15 09:05:54 PM  

iron de havilland: dittybopper: jboy: Except for that whole "well known and well charted magnetic deposit" thing.

Magnetic deposits don't show up on SONAR.

They show up on Magnetic Anomaly Detectors, a completely different technology.

Ok, look, I'm no sub commander or anything, nor does my wife type like one.

But (active) sonar works by sending out a pulse and listening for its echos, right?

A magnetic deposit could be detected on sonar, not via its magnetic properties, but through its prominence on the sea floor - n'est-ce pas?


So would the rest of the sea floor. It would be indiscernible from the huge wall of reflection you would be getting.
 
2013-10-15 09:17:52 PM  
hardinparamedic:
[www.xenu.net image 651x574]

First sign of rampant stupidity: the web site of SEA ORG is *not* sea.org.
 
2013-10-15 09:18:41 PM  

Blink: Just finished Battlefield Earth a couple of days ago.  Took me months ... I read about 5-10 pages a night.  Anyway, it was an entertaining read, but Hubbard does have a tendency to take literary shots at things he doesn't like.  I thought it somewhat amusing.



I loved the book when I was a kid it has lots going for it in the sci-fi pulp department.
 
2013-10-15 09:29:13 PM  

LoneWolf343: A magnetic deposit could be detected on sonar, not via its magnetic properties, but through its prominence on the sea floor - n'est-ce pas?

So would the rest of the sea floor. It would be indiscernible from the huge wall of reflection you would be getting.


As far as I'm aware, the idea of sonar is that you bounce sound waves off objects, and distance can be determined by how long it takes for the receiver to hear the echo.

You seem to be suggesting that sonar cannot work, as there would be too much noise from everything that the sound reflects off?

/Or are all the bats in the world about to drop from the sky, having realised that their senses are incapable of guiding them around?
 
2013-10-15 09:30:57 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: L Ron Hubbard blows Hitler in hell.


While Bob Hope watches and jacks off.
 
2013-10-15 10:11:45 PM  

Begoggle: HAHA SCIENTOLOGY IS SO STOOPID
Everyone knows God came to Earth as a man and had himself killed for our sins and a guy in a pointy hat relays God's messages to us.


Yeah, it's very clever and snarky to equate Scientology to Christianity and there's definitely some goofy shiat in the Bible however, You can go to a bookstore (if you can still find one nowadays) and buy a Bible for ten bucks. You can go to any motel and steal one, you can probably go to a church and they'll give you one for free. Scientology however, blatantly charges you for their bullshiat. You have to be a few hundred thousand dollars in before they let you know about the aliens. So yeah, there's a difference.
 
2013-10-15 10:25:14 PM  

Mugato: Begoggle: HAHA SCIENTOLOGY IS SO STOOPID
Everyone knows God came to Earth as a man and had himself killed for our sins and a guy in a pointy hat relays God's messages to us.

Yeah, it's very clever and snarky to equate Scientology to Christianity and there's definitely some goofy shiat in the Bible however, You can go to a bookstore (if you can still find one nowadays) and buy a Bible for ten bucks. You can go to any motel and steal one, you can probably go to a church and they'll give you one for free. Scientology however, blatantly charges you for their bullshiat. You have to be a few hundred thousand dollars in before they let you know about the aliens. So yeah, there's a difference.


This.

While most churches I know of ask for donations, they don't *REQUIRE* them.

Plus, the foundational documents of the church aren't protected by copyright, and the church doesn't sue you if you publish, say, Genesis without permission.
 
2013-10-15 10:40:35 PM  
#2 in the list inspired an epic South Korean movie called My Way (on Netflix).
 
2013-10-15 10:47:48 PM  

iron de havilland: LoneWolf343: A magnetic deposit could be detected on sonar, not via its magnetic properties, but through its prominence on the sea floor - n'est-ce pas?

So would the rest of the sea floor. It would be indiscernible from the huge wall of reflection you would be getting.

As far as I'm aware, the idea of sonar is that you bounce sound waves off objects, and distance can be determined by how long it takes for the receiver to hear the echo.

You seem to be suggesting that sonar cannot work, as there would be too much noise from everything that the sound reflects off?

/Or are all the bats in the world about to drop from the sky, having realised that their senses are incapable of guiding them around?


Active sonar, especially the kind available during WWII, is susceptible to false alarms for a number of things, and a bunch of phenomena can mask an actual, for-real contact.

First, the optimal conditions for active sonar is in the deep ocean, where the temperature is either constant or gradually changes with depth without a noticeable drop at any one depth, and without any sea life like large shoals of fish or whales in the area, and constant salinity.

The worst conditions for active sonar are the kind that could have pertained then:  shallow water, a rocky, uneven seabed, large shoals of small fish or whales in the area, mixed salinity, and perhaps temperature gradients

That doesn't mean that sonar doesn't work, just that it has, like all technology, limitations.
 
2013-10-15 11:02:48 PM  

hardinparamedic: So Hubbard wasn't completely incompetent, just MOSTLY incompetent?

Good to know.

Man still is one of history's greatest monsters.

[www.xenu.net image 651x574]


Is that a pic of a chick or a dude? I really can't tell.
 
2013-10-15 11:04:42 PM  

d23: I still think Scientology might be a joke run amok.  It certainly highlights the idiocy of certain groups of people.


Scientology is like the 419 scam, they're only interested in the most gullible marks. To normal people it sounds ridiculous, but it's by design -- scam artists don't want people of average/high intelligence. Those marks would waste their time with questions instead of lining their pockets with cash.
 
2013-10-15 11:08:21 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: L. Ron Hubbard in uniform.
[www.nolandalla.com image 498x313]


It was the Strawberry ice cream!
 
2013-10-15 11:56:29 PM  
If you really want to get into the meat of things, try researching the alt.religion.scientology files during the "Scientology vs. the 'net" period. Very eye-opening. If there's any one good thing that came out of it, it was the deprogramming of Tory Bezazian a.k.a. "Magoo", once tasked to help bring the Usenet group down, but who became disillusioned and quit $cientology as a result. Some of that stuff was truly scary.
 
2013-10-16 12:18:11 AM  
In January 1795, the French Revolutionary Army was advancing into the United Provinces (now the Netherlands) when the cold weather led to one of the strangest battles of the era. Johan Willem de Winter was sent with a group of French Hussars to capture the strongpoint of den Helder and to keep any Dutch ships from escaping to friendly Britain. When the general arrived, he found that a Dutch fleet, which had been anchored at den Helder, had become stuck in thick ice. Silently approaching the fleet by marching onto the ice, the Hussars were able to surround the ships and force the Dutch sailors to surrender. This is the only time in recorded history that a fleet has been captured by a cavalry charge.

That's not a cavalry charge, it's a dismounted sneak attack.

/great-great-great-grandfather was one of the highest ranking US officers during the Pig War
//in which the one and only casualty was some farmer's pig
 
2013-10-16 12:34:07 AM  
I just have to say that LRH was a damn good writer for a while, I was a fan for years. I rememeber reading the Battlefield Earth series (10K PAGES) and loved it.
/Then I picked up Dianetics(cuz LRH)
//like reading the bible
///not for me
 
2013-10-16 01:04:22 AM  

HotWingAgenda: In January 1795, the French Revolutionary Army was advancing into the United Provinces (now the Netherlands) when the cold weather led to one of the strangest battles of the era. Johan Willem de Winter was sent with a group of French Hussars to capture the strongpoint of den Helder and to keep any Dutch ships from escaping to friendly Britain. When the general arrived, he found that a Dutch fleet, which had been anchored at den Helder, had become stuck in thick ice. Silently approaching the fleet by marching onto the ice, the Hussars were able to surround the ships and force the Dutch sailors to surrender. This is the only time in recorded history that a fleet has been captured by a cavalry charge.

That's not a cavalry charge, it's a dismounted sneak attack.



A few Hussars rode up to the Dutch ships, said "don't start none, won't be none." The Dutch said "LOL, horses?... yeah, whatever, we've already been ordered not to resist." So, more of a cavalry singing telegram than a capture by cavalry charge or a dismounted sneak attack.
 
2013-10-16 01:08:19 AM  
Charles Manson was a noted scientologist but he later rejected it, saying it was "too crazy" for him.

Just saying.
 
2013-10-16 01:30:43 AM  

Super Chronic: So I'm standing on a street corner, minding my own business, when a nice young lady approaches me and asks if I'd like to take a free personality test. I tell her that would be interesting, so she asks what I think some of my flaws might be. I answer "sometimes I'm very naive and gullible, and when I'm lonely I feel like I'm vulnerable to a big fake religion cheating me out of all my money in my moment of weakness."


Sometimes I'm very naive and gullible, and when I'm lonely I farking fall in love with awesome farkers who post awesome things on the awesome internet.
 
2013-10-16 02:44:47 AM  

hardinparamedic: So Hubbard wasn't completely incompetent, just MOSTLY incompetent?

Good to know.

Man still is one of history's greatest monsters.

[www.xenu.net image 651x574]


Damn! Where do I sign up to be an on-Source being?

(Whatever the fark that is!)
 
2013-10-16 05:12:00 AM  

R. Paulson: I just have to say that LRH was a damn good writer for a while, I was a fan for years. I rememeber reading the Battlefield Earth series (10K PAGES) and loved it.


Yeah, I read Battlefield Earth, as well. It wasn't as bad as the movie, but good writing it was not.
Not to mention the cringe-factor of the child-like heroics...
 
2013-10-16 07:24:36 AM  

MrEricSir: scam artists don't want people of average/high intelligence


Actually, it really isn't all that hard to fool people who are on the right side of the bell curve. Remember how many PhDs believed Geller was for real until Randi showed him up?

What you need is an attitude that you can be fooled, and therefore need to ask more questions. That attitude is only weakly coupled to raw IQ.
 
2013-10-16 09:24:27 AM  

mbillips: The CREED is no different from any other religion. The cultish requirement to avoid SPs, the massive amount of money sucked out of Scientologists for "auditing," the giant squad of attack lawyers thrown at critics, the blatant lies of stealth-Scientology such as the Citizen's Council for Human Rights? That's different. That's what makes them a dangerous cult, not the Xenu nonsense.


"Although many of their songs contain allusions to Christian theology, and the members of the band are all Christians, they have stated that they do not consider Creed to be a Christian band."
-- Wikipedia
 
2013-10-16 09:34:19 AM  
The HMS Victoria is also the only shipwreck known to be standing on end (no, it's not broken in half):

www.oz.net
 
2013-10-16 10:53:23 AM  
FTA: Later, Hubbard nearly caused a diplomatic incident by bombarding Mexican territory.

www.bergproperties.com

Totally understands.
 
2013-10-16 01:12:26 PM  
i68.photobucket.com

L Ron was doing battle with the submarine whose sole survivor, beached on the bottom, was about to meet with an Immortal Squid loving Udo Kier.
 
2013-10-16 03:49:47 PM  

Public Savant: R. Paulson: I just have to say that LRH was a damn good writer for a while, I was a fan for years. I rememeber reading the Battlefield Earth series (10K PAGES) and loved it.

Yeah, I read Battlefield Earth, as well. It wasn't as bad as the movie, but good writing it was not.
Not to mention the cringe-factor of the child-like heroics...


Don't ever try Mission: Earth, by the way. It's basically the founder of the "Oh John Ringo No" School of Writing. I only read part of it (there are 10 books and the library had the first 6) but if I recall correctly, plot points included raping lesbians to turn them straight, some sort of global corporate conspiracy using psychiatry, drugs, and rock'n'roll to control the population, and constant, shrill, unrelentingly graphic depictions of the disgusting perversity of homosexuality, written in the sort of virulently anti-gay form that leads me to the inevitable conclusion that L. Ron Hubbard was the most self-loathing closeted homosexual on the planet. Anyway, that's what I remember from a partial reading at least a dozen years ago. Oh, and I think the hero of the piece was some combination of John Galt, Ward Cleaver, and Lazarus Long. Might be wrong on that one, though.
 
2013-10-16 03:55:23 PM  

phyrkrakr: Don't ever try Mission: Earth, by the way. It's basically the founder of the "Oh John Ringo No" School of Writing. I only read part of it (there are 10 books and the library had the first 6) but if I recall correctly, plot points included raping lesbians to turn them straight, some sort of global corporate conspiracy using psychiatry, drugs, and rock'n'roll to control the population, and constant, shrill, unrelentingly graphic depictions of the disgusting perversity of homosexuality, written in the sort of virulently anti-gay form that leads me to the inevitable conclusion that L. Ron Hubbard was the most self-loathing closeted homosexual on the planet. Anyway, that's what I remember from a partial reading at least a dozen years ago. Oh, and I think the hero of the piece was some combination of John Galt, Ward Cleaver, and Lazarus Long. Might be wrong on that one, though.


Interesting theory.  Scientology is very anti-gay.  Or more specifically, it holds that homosexuality is very, very wrong but it can cure homosexuality through it's "processing".  Pay them enough money and they claim they can fix it.

/Which would explain Tom Cruise. . .
 
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