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(Listverse)   L. Ron Hubbard commanded a sub chaser in WW2 and fought a 68 hour 'battle' trying to sink a sub that wasn't there. Later, he bombarded Mexico. He went on to found Scientology, which might explain a lot   (listverse.com) divider line 88
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2013-10-15 03:38:52 PM  
FTFA:

On May 19, at 3:40 AM, Hubbard detected what he thought to be a Japanese submarine on his sonar.
...
A report, with testimonies from other ship commanders on the scene, later found that Hubbard had fought a 68-hour naval battle against a well-known and well-charted magnetic deposit on the sea floor.


SONAR doesn't work against magnetic deposits.  Magnetic Anomaly Detectors work against magnetic deposits.

And attacking non-existent submarines wasn't an uncommon thing back then.  Even the best Brit commanders sometimes attacked phantom contacts, only to find they was no submarine.

Also, the Allied ASW doctrine at that time was "hunt to exhaustion".  Submarines back then had limited air and battery power, and the idea was to persist until you either destroyed the contact and had good evidence thereof, or until they surfaced.

I'll give Hubbard a pass on this one.
 
2013-10-15 03:42:01 PM  
And that's not to mention his sh*tty writing
 
2013-10-15 03:44:21 PM  
Look, when the man gives you a mighty arsenal and tells you to go forth, you use it just to see it go boom.
 
2013-10-15 04:54:49 PM  
So he did one good thing!
 
2013-10-15 04:54:54 PM  

dittybopper: FTFA:

On May 19, at 3:40 AM, Hubbard detected what he thought to be a Japanese submarine on his sonar.
...
A report, with testimonies from other ship commanders on the scene, later found that Hubbard had fought a 68-hour naval battle against a well-known and well-charted magnetic deposit on the sea floor.

SONAR doesn't work against magnetic deposits.  Magnetic Anomaly Detectors work against magnetic deposits.

And attacking non-existent submarines wasn't an uncommon thing back then.  Even the best Brit commanders sometimes attacked phantom contacts, only to find they was no submarine.

Also, the Allied ASW doctrine at that time was "hunt to exhaustion".  Submarines back then had limited air and battery power, and the idea was to persist until you either destroyed the contact and had good evidence thereof, or until they surfaced.

I'll give Hubbard a pass on this one.


Yeah, but shelling that "uninhabited" island off the coast of Mexico for target practice was pure stupidity.
 
2013-10-15 05:16:44 PM  
So Hubbard wasn't completely incompetent, just MOSTLY incompetent?

Good to know.

Man still is one of history's greatest monsters.

www.xenu.net
 
2013-10-15 05:23:38 PM  

hardinparamedic: So Hubbard wasn't completely incompetent, just MOSTLY incompetent?

Good to know.

Man still is one of history's greatest monsters.

[www.xenu.net image 651x574]


WTF kind of slogan is "We Come Back"? What does that even mean?

/I better call a recruiter to find out
 
2013-10-15 05:31:46 PM  

Elegy: Yeah, but shelling that "uninhabited" island off the coast of Mexico for target practice was pure stupidity.


Yeah, well, I'm not going to argue that one.
 
2013-10-15 05:44:57 PM  

hardinparamedic: So Hubbard wasn't completely incompetent, just MOSTLY incompetent?


The man was a pathological liar. It's probably part of the reason he was such a prolific writer.
 
2013-10-15 05:45:38 PM  
Read that as "chubby chaser"

/nttawtt
 
2013-10-15 05:49:07 PM  
No wonder he didn't like psychiatrists.
 
2013-10-15 05:49:24 PM  
Watch out subby, the Scientologists will come for you.
 
2013-10-15 05:50:22 PM  
This is news? His whole adult life was a pack of lies, drugs, and mental illness.
 
2013-10-15 05:51:43 PM  

dittybopper: FTFA:

On May 19, at 3:40 AM, Hubbard detected what he thought to be a Japanese submarine on his sonar.
...
A report, with testimonies from other ship commanders on the scene, later found that Hubbard had fought a 68-hour naval battle against a well-known and well-charted magnetic deposit on the sea floor.

SONAR doesn't work against magnetic deposits.  Magnetic Anomaly Detectors work against magnetic deposits.

And attacking non-existent submarines wasn't an uncommon thing back then.  Even the best Brit commanders sometimes attacked phantom contacts, only to find they was no submarine.

Also, the Allied ASW doctrine at that time was "hunt to exhaustion".  Submarines back then had limited air and battery power, and the idea was to persist until you either destroyed the contact and had good evidence thereof, or until they surfaced.

I'll give Hubbard a pass on this one.


Except for that whole "well known and well charted magnetic deposit" thing.
 
2013-10-15 06:00:54 PM  
Which SP greenlit this article?

Find him and send him to the hole!
 
2013-10-15 06:03:10 PM  

jboy: Except for that whole "well known and well charted magnetic deposit" thing.


Magnetic deposits don't show up on SONAR.

They show up on Magnetic Anomaly Detectors, a completely different technology.
 
2013-10-15 06:04:38 PM  
www.lospoblanos.com

pictured
 
2013-10-15 06:08:51 PM  
i.telegraph.co.uk

How things could have been so different if he didn't have the face of a potato.
 
2013-10-15 06:09:06 PM  
Sounds like a scene from "1941".
 
2013-10-15 06:09:37 PM  

DoomPaul: Watch out subby, the Scientologists will come for you.


They might blow the shiat out of that empty house, two doors down.
 
2013-10-15 06:11:04 PM  
Was he using sonar or an e-meter?
 
2013-10-15 06:11:51 PM  

dittybopper: jboy: Except for that whole "well known and well charted magnetic deposit" thing.

Magnetic deposits don't show up on SONAR.

They show up on Magnetic Anomaly Detectors, a completely different technology.


Should have finished this thought:  If he had a sonar contact, as TFA says, then it wasn't due to the deposit, and in fact subchasers back then didn't have MADs*, so whether or not there was a magnetic deposit there would have been irrelevant to him.


*MADs have to be apart from any magnetic fields in order to be useful, so they often end up as "stingers" on the back of aircraft like the P3 Orion.
 
2013-10-15 06:14:58 PM  

Combustion: DoomPaul: Watch out subby, the Scientologists will come for you.

They might blow the shiat out of that empty house, two doors down.


LRH was a nut and anyone that jumps into that is a sucker.
 
2013-10-15 06:15:09 PM  
Don't ask me about it, I'm still OT I.
 
2013-10-15 06:18:17 PM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: jboy: Except for that whole "well known and well charted magnetic deposit" thing.

Magnetic deposits don't show up on SONAR.

They show up on Magnetic Anomaly Detectors, a completely different technology.

Should have finished this thought:  If he had a sonar contact, as TFA says, then it wasn't due to the deposit, and in fact subchasers back then didn't have MADs*, so whether or not there was a magnetic deposit there would have been irrelevant to him.


*MADs have to be apart from any magnetic fields in order to be useful, so they often end up as "stingers" on the back of aircraft like the P3 Orion.


I'm thinking this is Scientology trying to reimagine the past.  LRH's military record is an embarrassment, so they got to come up with excuses.  The excuses don't have to stand up to facts, they only have to satisfy the ignorant followers, who will accept any answer on faith.
 
2013-10-15 06:18:46 PM  
Sea Org Navigator

i488.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 06:21:05 PM  
So I'm standing on a street corner, minding my own business, when a nice young lady approaches me and asks if I'd like to take a free personality test. I tell her that would be interesting, so she asks what I think some of my flaws might be. I answer "sometimes I'm very naive and gullible, and when I'm lonely I feel like I'm vulnerable to a big fake religion cheating me out of all my money in my moment of weakness."
 
2013-10-15 06:23:33 PM  
LRH had a wet dream and it was oblivion...

/Planet full of cruises, Scientology wins!
 
2013-10-15 06:24:27 PM  
OLD NEWS IS OLD!
 
2013-10-15 06:34:58 PM  

Super Chronic: So I'm standing on a street corner, minding my own business, when a nice young lady approaches me and asks if I'd like to take a free personality test. I tell her that would be interesting, so she asks what I think some of my flaws might be. I answer "sometimes I'm very naive and gullible, and when I'm lonely I feel like I'm vulnerable to a big fake religion cheating me out of all my money in my moment of weakness."


I hope that's true because that is brilliant.
 
2013-10-15 06:39:32 PM  

dittybopper: Even the best Brit commanders sometimes attacked phantom contacts, only to find they was no submarine.


Who could have guessed those foo fighters could swim.
 
2013-10-15 06:41:10 PM  

scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic:...WTF kind of slogan is "We Come Back"? What does that even mean?...


Sea Org members sign a billion-year contract. They believe they will come back in their subsequent lifetimes and continue their work of "Clearing the Planet".

/I know way too much about Scientology
//My sister is in the Sea Org
///Have worked with LRH's daughter on marketing projects
////I knows Scientology is a load of made-up bullshiat. But no different than any other religion.
 
2013-10-15 06:42:11 PM  

dittybopper: jboy: Except for that whole "well known and well charted magnetic deposit" thing.

Magnetic deposits don't show up on SONAR.

They show up on Magnetic Anomaly Detectors, a completely different technology.


Ok, look, I'm no sub commander or anything, nor does my wife type like one.

But (active) sonar works by sending out a pulse and listening for its echos, right?

A magnetic deposit could be detected on sonar, not via its magnetic properties, but through its prominence on the sea floor - n'est-ce pas?
 
2013-10-15 06:48:53 PM  
L Ron Hubbard blows Hitler in hell.
 
2013-10-15 06:50:06 PM  

dittybopper: FTFA:

On May 19, at 3:40 AM, Hubbard detected what he thought to be a Japanese submarine on his sonar.
...
A report, with testimonies from other ship commanders on the scene, later found that Hubbard had fought a 68-hour naval battle against a well-known and well-charted magnetic deposit on the sea floor.

SONAR doesn't work against magnetic deposits.  Magnetic Anomaly Detectors work against magnetic deposits.

And attacking non-existent submarines wasn't an uncommon thing back then.  Even the best Brit commanders sometimes attacked phantom contacts, only to find they was no submarine.

Also, the Allied ASW doctrine at that time was "hunt to exhaustion".  Submarines back then had limited air and battery power, and the idea was to persist until you either destroyed the contact and had good evidence thereof, or until they surfaced.

I'll give Hubbard a pass on this one.


What you don't know is his executive officer tried to tell him on more then one occasion that he was chasing a phony contact, he ignored it and claimed to sink two submarines off Oregon in 1943.  He lacked essential qualities of judgement something the navy later relieved him of his command for "Lack of Quality judgement, Leadership and Cooperation.

He was basically a below average naval officer, but in war time even bottom of the barrel is better then nothing.

As far as shelling Cooney Island, he thought it was apart of United states territory, the idiot can't even read a map (which by the way he ranked very LOW on Sea navigation skills).

I give the man credit he served during the war, but he could of shoveled horse shiat and been better at it.
 
2013-10-15 06:53:11 PM  

Super Chronic: So I'm standing on a street corner, minding my own business, when a nice young lady approaches me and asks if I'd like to take a free personality test. I tell her that would be interesting, so she asks what I think some of my flaws might be. I answer "sometimes I'm very naive and gullible, and when I'm lonely I feel like I'm vulnerable to a big fake religion cheating me out of all my money in my moment of weakness."


Did she reply to that?
 
2013-10-15 07:01:36 PM  

dittybopper: FTFA:

On May 19, at 3:40 AM, Hubbard detected what he thought to be a Japanese submarine on his sonar.
...
A report, with testimonies from other ship commanders on the scene, later found that Hubbard had fought a 68-hour naval battle against a well-known and well-charted magnetic deposit on the sea floor.

SONAR doesn't work against magnetic deposits.  Magnetic Anomaly Detectors work against magnetic deposits.

And attacking non-existent submarines wasn't an uncommon thing back then.  Even the best Brit commanders sometimes attacked phantom contacts, only to find they was no submarine.

Also, the Allied ASW doctrine at that time was "hunt to exhaustion".  Submarines back then had limited air and battery power, and the idea was to persist until you either destroyed the contact and had good evidence thereof, or until they surfaced.

I'll give Hubbard a pass on this one.



"In his eighteen page after-action report, Hubbard claimed to have "definitely sunk, beyond doubt" one submarine and critically damaged another. However, the subsequent investigation by the Commander NW Sea Frontier...stated:
'It is noted that the report of  PC 815 is not in accordance with "Anti-Submarine Action by Surface Ship" (ASW-1) ...An analysis of all reports convinces me that there was no submarine in the area. Lieutenant Commander Sullivan states that he was unable to obtain any evidence of a submarine except one bubble of air which is unexplained except by turbulence of water due to a depth charge explosion. The Commanding Officers of all ships except the  PC-815 state they had no evidence of a submarine and do not think a submarine was in the area.'
Fletcher added that "there is a known magnetic deposit in the area in which depth charges were dropped", absolving the responding blimps from any fault as their method of detecting submarines relies on a [MAD]. This also implied that Lt. Hubbard and his crew were operating the ship's SONAR equipment incorrectly."
 
2013-10-15 07:05:12 PM  
Just finished Battlefield Earth a couple of days ago.  Took me months ... I read about 5-10 pages a night.  Anyway, it was an entertaining read, but Hubbard does have a tendency to take literary shots at things he doesn't like.  I thought it somewhat amusing.

I honestly can't blame him for the scientology thing though.  Let's face it, anyone that goes into a religion to that extreme would just pick another religion if scientology wasn't there.  Christianity, for instance, has more than a few crazies that puts scientology to shame.  I haven't decided which believes in weirder shiat though.
 
2013-10-15 07:06:06 PM  

scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic: So Hubbard wasn't completely incompetent, just MOSTLY incompetent?

Good to know.

Man still is one of history's greatest monsters.

[www.xenu.net image 651x574]

WTF kind of slogan is "We Come Back"? What does that even mean?

/I better call a recruiter to find out


One of the tenents of Scientology is a sort of pseudo re-encarnation of the person. Sea Org members (This is what they actually believe) sign a 1 Million year Contract with the toy navy. They actually agree to come back after their re-encarnation to continue their service to the Scientologists.
 
2013-10-15 07:14:19 PM  
Blink:   I honestly can't blame him for the scientology thing though.  Let's face it, anyone that goes into a religion to that extreme would just pick another religion if scientology wasn't there.  Christianity, for instance, has more than a few crazies that puts scientology to shame.  I haven't decided which believes in weirder shiat though.


You can't blame him for scienctology?  How do you figure that?  He was the one who made up the religion and profited handsomely by it. I'm not sure how much more you could be responsible for said religion.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 07:17:01 PM  
I still think Scientology might be a joke run amok.  It certainly highlights the idiocy of certain groups of people.
 
2013-10-15 07:18:55 PM  

iron de havilland: dittybopper: jboy: Except for that whole "well known and well charted magnetic deposit" thing.

Magnetic deposits don't show up on SONAR.

They show up on Magnetic Anomaly Detectors, a completely different technology.

Ok, look, I'm no sub commander or anything, nor does my wife type like one.

But (active) sonar works by sending out a pulse and listening for its echos, right?

A magnetic deposit could be detected on sonar, not via its magnetic properties, but through its prominence on the sea floor - n'est-ce pas?


I can imagine the magnetic deposit showing up if it's shape was somehow different than the surrounding terrain. A sonar might see it then and it would have nothing to do with its being magnetic or not.
 
2013-10-15 07:19:41 PM  
L. Ron Hubbard in uniform.
www.nolandalla.com
 
2013-10-15 07:25:25 PM  

SomeoneDumb: iron de havilland: dittybopper: jboy: Except for that whole "well known and well charted magnetic deposit" thing.

Magnetic deposits don't show up on SONAR.

They show up on Magnetic Anomaly Detectors, a completely different technology.

Ok, look, I'm no sub commander or anything, nor does my wife type like one.

But (active) sonar works by sending out a pulse and listening for its echos, right?

A magnetic deposit could be detected on sonar, not via its magnetic properties, but through its prominence on the sea floor - n'est-ce pas?

I can imagine the magnetic deposit showing up if it's shape was somehow different than the surrounding terrain. A sonar might see it then and it would have nothing to do with its being magnetic or not.



The magnetic deposit is given as a reason that the responding blimps believed there might be a sub there. The other ships all said they didn't see any sonar evidence of a sub.
 
2013-10-15 07:32:01 PM  
He told me about this place called THE CLOSET for fifty bucks.
 
2013-10-15 07:38:42 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: L Ron Hubbard blows Hitler in hell.


                                                          ^
 
2013-10-15 07:39:22 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Blink:   I honestly can't blame him for the scientology thing though.  Let's face it, anyone that goes into a religion to that extreme would just pick another religion if scientology wasn't there.  Christianity, for instance, has more than a few crazies that puts scientology to shame.  I haven't decided which believes in weirder shiat though.


You can't blame him for scienctology?  How do you figure that?  He was the one who made up the religion and profited handsomely by it. I'm not sure how much more you could be responsible for said religion.


"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is!"
 
2013-10-15 07:42:16 PM  
HAHA SCIENTOLOGY IS SO STOOPID
Everyone knows God came to Earth as a man and had himself killed for our sins and a guy in a pointy hat relays God's messages to us.
 
2013-10-15 08:03:50 PM  
i1207.photobucket.com

lolwhut?
 
2013-10-15 08:07:59 PM  

Begoggle: HAHA SCIENTOLOGY IS SO STOOPID
Everyone knows God came to Earth as a man and had himself killed for our sins and a guy in a pointy hat relays God's messages to us.

the ruler of Ethiopia and tells us to smoke copious amounts of weed.

FTF...
what was I talking about?
 
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