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(Washington Post)   Last year, American fast food workers needed about $7 billion in government assistance to make ends meet. Last year, American fast food companies recorded about $7 billion in profit. Your tax dollars at work   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 414
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2013-10-15 04:09:45 PM
So it balances out for everyone.
 
2013-10-15 04:11:51 PM
It's ok though because a few people made a shiatload of money.  Those workers just need to work harder.  So what if you have to work 120 hours a week at minimum wage to keep a roof over your head?  Babies.
 
2013-10-15 04:13:26 PM
Working a full time job and still qualifying for federal assistance is farking deplorable.

Even worse when the full time job is as an active duty military member. The only thing keeping society together right now is high fructose corn syrup and Duck Dynasty.
 
2013-10-15 04:29:52 PM

what_now: Working a full time job and still qualifying for federal assistance is farking deplorable.


How about being in the military, full time, and qualifying?
 
2013-10-15 04:33:54 PM

vudukungfu: what_now: Working a full time job and still qualifying for federal assistance is farking deplorable.

How about being in the military, full time, and qualifying?


Wait, did you stop reading half way through his post?
 
2013-10-15 04:34:43 PM

vudukungfu: what_now: Working a full time job and still qualifying for federal assistance is farking deplorable.

How about being in the military, full time, and qualifying?




doctorgrasshopper.files.wordpress.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 04:37:29 PM
You don't become wealthy by working hard.
 
2013-10-15 04:48:31 PM
-How much more assistance would those people need if they didn't have the jobs?
-Did they turn down better job offers to work fast food?
-How many were able to use the experience from those jobs to get a better job?
-How much taxes did fast food pay before earning the profit?
-Who would be better off if those jobs went away?
 
2013-10-15 05:04:13 PM

what_now: Even worse when the full time job is as an active duty military member.


Ah, went back and read it.
Thanks.
I qualified when I was active duty and married to an active duty member, too.
 
2013-10-15 05:12:56 PM
McDonald's alone made $5.5B in profits last year, so the remaining six only brought in a combined $1.5B? Wow, that's market dominance right there.
 
2013-10-15 05:21:52 PM

timujin: McDonald's alone made $5.5B in profits last year, so the remaining six only brought in a combined $1.5B? Wow, that's market dominance right there.


Its McDonalds

Its the Intel of the fast food
The Hulk Hogan of fries
And, when it comes down to it, they are kinda cool

Burger King:

The AMD of fast food
The Randy Orton of fries
And, when it comes down to it, they are farking expensive and their shiat is disgusting.
 
2013-10-15 05:30:56 PM

cman: timujin: McDonald's alone made $5.5B in profits last year, so the remaining six only brought in a combined $1.5B? Wow, that's market dominance right there.

Its McDonalds

Its the Intel of the fast food
The Hulk Hogan of fries
And, when it comes down to it, they are kinda cool

Burger King:

The AMD of fast food
The Randy Orton of fries
And, when it comes down to it, they are farking expensive and their shiat is disgusting.



My comparison of Burger King and Mac Daddy's - they're both pretty much to food what Night Train is to French bordeaux.
 
2013-10-15 05:34:50 PM
Privatized profits, publicized losses.
 
2013-10-15 05:36:00 PM
Want to solve the national debt?   Double the minimum wage.

Will prices go up?
 Yes, but since labor is only a fraction of COGS, they won't double.  Market pressure will still do its job since raising the minimum wage is a level playing field.

Will they lay people off?  Maybe in the short term, but if their job was necessary now, it will be necessary in the future.  They will hire them back.

But, but, but, my profits!  They will increase since more people can afford your products, and you will use the new minimum wage to raise prices more than you actually have to, until market pressure forces you to lower them again.

Double the minimum wage, the Fair and Balanced solution to national debt and the welfare state.
 
2013-10-15 05:36:03 PM
Il Douchey: -How much more assistance would those people need if they didn't have the jobs?
-Did they turn down better job offers to work fast food?
-How many were able to use the experience from those jobs to get a better job?
-How much taxes did fast food pay before earning the profit?
-Who would be better off if those jobs went away?
 My tax dollars should subsidize profitable businesses

Sounds stupid to me.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 05:40:52 PM
Then we should do more to train people who need aid to do real jobs, and give the fast food jobs back to pimply-faced teens, like the FSM intended. Then, we're not giving aid to fast food workers, and corporations can keep the money they've earned.

But if Subby thinks my tax dollars are subsidizing corporations by giving aid to their employees, as his headline implies, he's not very damn smart, because those are two different pools of money. My tax dollars are wasted on corporate subsidies in plenty of different ways, but this isn't one of them.
 
2013-10-15 05:41:44 PM

jbc: Then we should do more to train people who need aid to do real jobs, and give the fast food jobs back to pimply-faced teens, like the FSM intended. Then, we're not giving aid to fast food workers, and corporations can keep the money they've earned.

But if Subby thinks my tax dollars are subsidizing corporations by giving aid to their employees, as his headline implies, he's not very damn smart, because those are two different pools of money. My tax dollars are wasted on corporate subsidies in plenty of different ways, but this isn't one of them.


The argument is to raise the taxes on those businesses, as they are causing US to pay their employees.
 
2013-10-15 05:42:25 PM
I ate 6 tacos for lunch from a local fast food joint.  They were delicious, and since it's Tuesday, they were cheap.
 
2013-10-15 05:45:57 PM

jbc: Then we should do more to train people who need aid to do real jobs, and give the fast food jobs back to pimply-faced teens, like the FSM intended. Then, we're not giving aid to fast food workers, and corporations can keep the money they've earned.


Thereis a problem with this thinking, I believe we are at or near saturation of "real jobs".  We need a breakthrough like the internet or mobile to create new industries, and put more people to work.

By the way, in Europe, being a waiter in a restaurant is a career, not a stepping stone.  (this is why you don't tip, they make a living, competitive, wage)
 
2013-10-15 05:46:42 PM

what_now: The argument is to raise the taxes on those businesses, as they are causing US to pay their employees.


*ahem* or raise the minimum wage...
 
2013-10-15 05:47:41 PM

Il Douchey: -Who would be better off if those jobs went away?


How do you outsource food service jobs?


Il Douchey: -Did they turn down better job offers to work fast food?


api.ning.com
 
2013-10-15 05:48:02 PM

haemaker: jbc: Then we should do more to train people who need aid to do real jobs, and give the fast food jobs back to pimply-faced teens, like the FSM intended. Then, we're not giving aid to fast food workers, and corporations can keep the money they've earned.

Thereis a problem with this thinking, I believe we are at or near saturation of "real jobs".  We need a breakthrough like the internet or mobile to create new industries, and put more people to work.

By the way, in Europe, being a waiter in a restaurant is a career, not a stepping stone.  (this is why you don't tip, they make a living, competitive, wage)


Yes, but in the US, everyone thinks that they will 'Hit it big" someday. They arent' sure how, but they're sure that they'll be wealthy. Somehow
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 05:48:08 PM

haemaker: Want to solve the national debt?   Double the minimum wage.

Will prices go up?  Yes, but since labor is only a fraction of COGS, they won't double.  Market pressure will still do its job since raising the minimum wage is a level playing field.

Will they lay people off?  Maybe in the short term, but if their job was necessary now, it will be necessary in the future.  They will hire them back.

But, but, but, my profits!  They will increase since more people can afford your products, and you will use the new minimum wage to raise prices more than you actually have to, until market pressure forces you to lower them again.

Double the minimum wage, the Fair and Balanced solution to national debt and the welfare state.


Why should we pay the 15-year-old burger flipper twice what the market will bear, just so the 24-year-old single mom at the register trying to support four kids can make a "living wage"? She needs to be trained to go do an adult job, so that the register job can go to another teen just trying to earn a few bucks. Minimum wage is fine where it is, we just need fewer people trying to raise their kids on it.
 
2013-10-15 05:49:04 PM

haemaker: what_now: The argument is to raise the taxes on those businesses, as they are causing US to pay their employees.

*ahem* or raise the minimum wage...

 
2013-10-15 05:49:57 PM

haemaker: what_now: The argument is to raise the taxes on those businesses, as they are causing US to pay their employees.

*ahem* or raise the minimum wage...


Whynotboth.jpg fail
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 05:52:25 PM

haemaker: jbc: Then we should do more to train people who need aid to do real jobs, and give the fast food jobs back to pimply-faced teens, like the FSM intended. Then, we're not giving aid to fast food workers, and corporations can keep the money they've earned.

Thereis a problem with this thinking, I believe we are at or near saturation of "real jobs".  We need a breakthrough like the internet or mobile to create new industries, and put more people to work.

By the way, in Europe, being a waiter in a restaurant is a career, not a stepping stone.  (this is why you don't tip, they make a living, competitive, wage)


Hospitality and medical industries will have a metric assload of real jobs in the next few decades as the population ages. There's already a shortage of nurses and lab techs, especially in rural areas.
 
2013-10-15 05:52:37 PM

vpb: You don't become wealthy by working hard.


I'd say that, generally, to become wealthy (as opposed to being born into that state), one does need to work hard.  Hard work is a necessary (but not sufficient) condition.
 
2013-10-15 05:52:46 PM

jbc: Why should we pay the 15-year-old burger flipper twice what the market will bear, just so the 24-year-old single mom at the register trying to support four kids can make a "living wage"? She needs to be trained to go do an adult job, so that the register job can go to another teen just trying to earn a few bucks. Minimum wage is fine where it is, we just need fewer people trying to raise their kids on it.


I guess you've never heard of school. When kids are under age we send them to certain buildings in the vain attempt to try to knock a little sense into their otherwise moronic existence. As we must of failed to do with you.
 
2013-10-15 05:52:47 PM
If you had McDonalds or any other fast food company pay their employees a livable wage. Lets say they get 13-14 bucks and hour then, ok fine. now these people at least make somewhat of a living and they can actually may not have to live off of government assistance to make ends meet. So the problem is solved from the governments end.

The problem is that now you have fast food workers making a livable wage, so now they have to raise the price of their meals to about $12 buck per meal to equalize the cost. No one in their right farking mind is going to pay $12 bucks for McDonalds other than my brother. So the fast food companies die out and go out of business.

Now the problem with going out of business with all these fast food companies is you will now have about 25 million fast food workers on unemployment instead of minimum wage. So the country goes back into deeper with paying out benefits. So, its a Vicious circle jerk.

The only benefit in the US to having the fast food companies die out is that it would probably solve the obesity problem in this country.
 
2013-10-15 05:53:12 PM
jbc:

Why should we pay the 15-year-old burger flipper twice what the market will bear, just so the 24-year-old single mom at the register trying to support four kids can make a "living wage"? She needs to be trained to go do an adult job, so that the register job can go to another teen just trying to earn a few bucks. Minimum wage is fine where it is, we just need fewer people trying to raise their kids on it.


You're a douchebag
 
2013-10-15 05:53:41 PM

fusillade762: Il Douchey: -Who would be better off if those jobs went away?

How do you outsource food service jobs?


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-15 05:53:44 PM
But...but....FREEDOM! Prosperity! Free Market economics! Trickle down wealth!

/WHARRGARBL!
 
2013-10-15 05:54:29 PM

mentallo69: If you had McDonalds or any other fast food company pay their employees a livable wage. Lets say they get 13-14 bucks and hour then, ok fine. now these people at least make somewhat of a living and they can actually may not have to live off of government assistance to make ends meet. So the problem is solved from the governments end.

The problem is that now you have fast food workers making a livable wage, so now they have to raise the price of their meals to about $12 buck per meal to equalize the cost. No one in their right farking mind is going to pay $12 bucks for McDonalds other than my brother. So the fast food companies die out and go out of business.

Now the problem with going out of business with all these fast food companies is you will now have about 25 million fast food workers on unemployment instead of minimum wage. So the country goes back into deeper with paying out benefits. So, its a Vicious circle jerk.

The only benefit in the US to having the fast food companies die out is that it would probably solve the obesity problem in this country.


Or, they could dip into their $7 billion profit and pay their employees a living wage.
 
2013-10-15 05:54:52 PM

jbc: Why should we pay the 15-year-old burger flipper twice what the market will bear, just so the 24-year-old single mom at the register trying to support four kids can make a "living wage"? She needs to be trained to go do an adult job, so that the register job can go to another teen just trying to earn a few bucks. Minimum wage is fine where it is, we just need fewer people trying to raise their kids on it.


Comparable worth, not comparable need!  If the job is a $14.50/hr job, it is a $14.50/hr job, it doesn't matter who fills it.

Paying the 15-year-old the higher minimum wage is awesome for the economy!  Think of all the places (s)he will blow that dough and all the jobs that would create.  Why should Similac get all the love, Bazooka Joe has employees to pay as well.
 
2013-10-15 05:55:25 PM

what_now: mentallo69: If you had McDonalds or any other fast food company pay their employees a livable wage. Lets say they get 13-14 bucks and hour then, ok fine. now these people at least make somewhat of a living and they can actually may not have to live off of government assistance to make ends meet. So the problem is solved from the governments end.

The problem is that now you have fast food workers making a livable wage, so now they have to raise the price of their meals to about $12 buck per meal to equalize the cost. No one in their right farking mind is going to pay $12 bucks for McDonalds other than my brother. So the fast food companies die out and go out of business.

Now the problem with going out of business with all these fast food companies is you will now have about 25 million fast food workers on unemployment instead of minimum wage. So the country goes back into deeper with paying out benefits. So, its a Vicious circle jerk.

The only benefit in the US to having the fast food companies die out is that it would probably solve the obesity problem in this country.

Or, they could dip into their $7 billion profit and pay their employees a living wage.


yeah right, They "ain't lovin it" that much. But I agree
 
2013-10-15 05:56:01 PM
mentallo69:
The problem is that now you have fast food workers making a livable wage, so now they have to raise the price of their meals to about $12 buck per meal to equalize the cost. No one in their right farking mind is going to pay $12 bucks for McDonalds other than my brother. So the fast food companies die out and go out of business.

You... didn't do well in math class did you?
 
2013-10-15 05:56:12 PM

jshine: vpb: You don't become wealthy by working hard.

I'd say that, generally, to become wealthy (as opposed to being born into that state), one does need to work hard.  Hard work is a necessary (but not sufficient) condition.


Some people just get lucky. People born into money, lottery winners and Bill Gates who had very good timing was pretty lucky come to mind.


/not disparaging Gates
 
2013-10-15 05:57:02 PM

jbc: She needs to be trained to go do an adult job, so that the register job can go to another teen just trying to earn a few bucks.


And where is this magical training going to come from and who is going to pay for it?
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 05:57:03 PM

lockers: jbc: Why should we pay the 15-year-old burger flipper twice what the market will bear, just so the 24-year-old single mom at the register trying to support four kids can make a "living wage"? She needs to be trained to go do an adult job, so that the register job can go to another teen just trying to earn a few bucks. Minimum wage is fine where it is, we just need fewer people trying to raise their kids on it.

I guess you've never heard of school. When kids are under age we send them to certain buildings in the vain attempt to try to knock a little sense into their otherwise moronic existence. As we must of failed to do with you.


Do you have a point, or did you just drool onto your keyboard? I'm talking about getting that hypothetical 24-year-old training (i.e.: school), you mouthbreathing Palin-American.
 
2013-10-15 05:57:09 PM

PhDemented: mentallo69:
The problem is that now you have fast food workers making a livable wage, so now they have to raise the price of their meals to about $12 buck per meal to equalize the cost. No one in their right farking mind is going to pay $12 bucks for McDonalds other than my brother. So the fast food companies die out and go out of business.

You... didn't do well in math class did you?


I never said my numbers were accurate did I
 
2013-10-15 05:57:21 PM

lockers: I guess you've never heard of school. When kids are under age we send them to certain buildings in the vain attempt to try to knock a little sense into their otherwise moronic existence. As we must of failed to do with you.


Well, that's embarrassing.
 
2013-10-15 05:57:51 PM

mentallo69: If you had McDonalds or any other fast food company pay their employees a livable wage. Lets say they get 13-14 bucks and hour then, ok fine. now these people at least make somewhat of a living and they can actually may not have to live off of government assistance to make ends meet. So the problem is solved from the governments end.

The problem is that now you have fast food workers making a livable wage, so now they have to raise the price of their meals to about $12 buck per meal to equalize the cost. No one in their right farking mind is going to pay $12 bucks for McDonalds other than my brother. So the fast food companies die out and go out of business.

Now the problem with going out of business with all these fast food companies is you will now have about 25 million fast food workers on unemployment instead of minimum wage. So the country goes back into deeper with paying out benefits. So, its a Vicious circle jerk.

The only benefit in the US to having the fast food companies die out is that it would probably solve the obesity problem in this country.


I answered this above...

Doubling wages does not double COGS, this is a huge fallacy.  Prices are set by what the market will bear, NOT how much you pay your employees.
 
2013-10-15 05:57:57 PM
Ya gotta love how we subsidize giant corporations in a way that the right can claim we're actually subsidizing low wage workers.
 
2013-10-15 05:58:04 PM

PhDemented: mentallo69:
The problem is that now you have fast food workers making a livable wage, so now they have to raise the price of their meals to about $12 buck per meal to equalize the cost. No one in their right farking mind is going to pay $12 bucks for McDonalds other than my brother. So the fast food companies die out and go out of business.

You... didn't do well in math class did you?


oh, and actually I did very well in math. I am a biologist though, not an economist.
 
2013-10-15 05:58:09 PM

jshine: fusillade762: Il Douchey: -Who would be better off if those jobs went away?

How do you outsource food service jobs?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x407]


Im kind of surprised automats havent returned.

cuip.uchicago.edu
 
2013-10-15 05:58:31 PM

mentallo69: PhDemented: mentallo69:
The problem is that now you have fast food workers making a livable wage, so now they have to raise the price of their meals to about $12 buck per meal to equalize the cost. No one in their right farking mind is going to pay $12 bucks for McDonalds other than my brother. So the fast food companies die out and go out of business.

You... didn't do well in math class did you?

I never said my numbers were accurate did I


It isn't that they are not precise, it is that they are moronically wrong.
 
2013-10-15 05:59:18 PM

haemaker: mentallo69: If you had McDonalds or any other fast food company pay their employees a livable wage. Lets say they get 13-14 bucks and hour then, ok fine. now these people at least make somewhat of a living and they can actually may not have to live off of government assistance to make ends meet. So the problem is solved from the governments end.

The problem is that now you have fast food workers making a livable wage, so now they have to raise the price of their meals to about $12 buck per meal to equalize the cost. No one in their right farking mind is going to pay $12 bucks for McDonalds other than my brother. So the fast food companies die out and go out of business.

Now the problem with going out of business with all these fast food companies is you will now have about 25 million fast food workers on unemployment instead of minimum wage. So the country goes back into deeper with paying out benefits. So, its a Vicious circle jerk.

The only benefit in the US to having the fast food companies die out is that it would probably solve the obesity problem in this country.

I answered this above...

Doubling wages does not double COGS, this is a huge fallacy.  Prices are set by what the market will bear, NOT how much you pay your employees.


I get that, but you think McDonalds is going to pay their employees $5 bucks an hour more without increasing the cost of their food. They arent cutting into their fat cat profits.
 
2013-10-15 05:59:23 PM

mentallo69: what_now: mentallo69: If you had McDonalds or any other fast food company pay their employees a livable wage. Lets say they get 13-14 bucks and hour then, ok fine. now these people at least make somewhat of a living and they can actually may not have to live off of government assistance to make ends meet. So the problem is solved from the governments end.

The problem is that now you have fast food workers making a livable wage, so now they have to raise the price of their meals to about $12 buck per meal to equalize the cost. No one in their right farking mind is going to pay $12 bucks for McDonalds other than my brother. So the fast food companies die out and go out of business.

Now the problem with going out of business with all these fast food companies is you will now have about 25 million fast food workers on unemployment instead of minimum wage. So the country goes back into deeper with paying out benefits. So, its a Vicious circle jerk.

The only benefit in the US to having the fast food companies die out is that it would probably solve the obesity problem in this country.

Or, they could dip into their $7 billion profit and pay their employees a living wage.

yeah right, They "ain't lovin it" that much. But I agree


But they would.

The Minimum wage varies by state, but the prices at McDonald's don't change. It's $9.19 in Washington State and $5.15 in It's not cheaper to operate a McDonald's in Wyoming. The profit goes into the owner's pocket.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 05:59:44 PM

minuslars: jbc:

Why should we pay the 15-year-old burger flipper twice what the market will bear, just so the 24-year-old single mom at the register trying to support four kids can make a "living wage"? She needs to be trained to go do an adult job, so that the register job can go to another teen just trying to earn a few bucks. Minimum wage is fine where it is, we just need fewer people trying to raise their kids on it.


You're a douchebag


For suggesting 24-year-olds should aspire to do more with their lives than close at Los Pollos Hermanos?
 
2013-10-15 05:59:57 PM
So.... the better option is to pay the workers the 7 Billion resulting in no profit and all the fast food businesses closing at once?
 
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