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(Ars Technica)   Founder of Rhapsody is absolutely delighted that his publisher is selling his novel for 99 cents. "Having watched the American music industry bleed out half of its revenues over 10 years, I sure don't want publishing to do the same"   (arstechnica.com) divider line 14
    More: Interesting, Rhapsody, Year Zero, Rob Reid, music industry, Random House  
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2013-10-15 04:01:12 PM
2 votes:

bunner: Rob Reid is a novelist, entrepreneur, and music industry expert.

Um, huh.

I don't know how to break it to the "music is old and stupid and should be free but software is holy and you should always buy it so I can have nice things" IT crowd, but, for all of the pissing and moaning about how new, emerging artists go unnoticed and how boring and cookie cutter repetitive most new music is, they seem to overlook the fact that nothing survives unless it moves money around and if you write, play, record, mix, produce and distribute musical recordings, the quality is gonna pretty much suck if the people doing it can't pay the rent.

You can romanticize an industry you know nothing about from your armchair next to the 2 TB of sh*t you glommed up off of torrents and limewire 5 years ago, but the fact of the matter is, the cream isn't going to rise to the top anymore because the only thing that works in the Western world is when people vote with their wallets.  Enjoy your 600.00 Lady Gaga tickets and don't forget to buy a T-Shirt from that "awesome band that played at that club the other night that you can't understand why they aren't like super mega famous" so they can put gas in the van.


Meh.

Music is better now than it was before. Decades before 99% of the music I listened was major label. Now, it is probably around 50%. There is more variety and tons and tons of information and samples available.

With youtube, smaller artists can have videos (cheaply produced). Some bands use kickstarter for funding. There are always avenues if you want it.

The only thing I don't get is why bands still produce filler songs. People are just going to delete the crappy songs off their playlists or not buy them if they are buying song by song. I wish the holdover notion that an album of 45-60 minute of music has to be released would go away. A brilliant song probably does more for an indie band than an album of mediocre songs.
2013-10-15 03:54:15 PM
2 votes:

bunner: Rob Reid is a novelist, entrepreneur, and music industry expert.

Um, huh.

I don't know how to break it to the "music is old and stupid and should be free but software is holy and you should always buy it so I can have nice things" IT crowd, but, for all of the pissing and moaning about how new, emerging artists go unnoticed and how boring and cookie cutter repetitive most new music is, they seem to overlook the fact that nothing survives unless it moves money around and if you write, play, record, mix, produce and distribute musical recordings, the quality is gonna pretty much suck if the people doing it can't pay the rent.

You can romanticize an industry you know nothing about from your armchair next to the 2 TB of sh*t you glommed up off of torrents and limewire 5 years ago, but the fact of the matter is, the cream isn't going to rise to the top anymore because the only thing that works in the Western world is when people vote with their wallets.  Enjoy your 600.00 Lady Gaga tickets and don't forget to buy a T-Shirt from that "awesome band that played at that club the other night that you can't understand why they aren't like super mega famous" so they can put gas in the van.


New technology fundamentally changed the industry, and they hurt themselves a great deal, and continue to do so to an extent, but fighting it instead of embracing it.

I agree with you that musicians, studio techs, etc, need to earn a living.  I agree with you that music should be made available for purchase both physically and digitally.  I also believe that file sharing for personal use should be completely legal, and that it wouldn't hurt the overall industry.

The studies that have been done show that those who use file sharing services actually buy MORE music than those who don't.  Many people use it as a way of trying out new things, seeing if they like it, and then buying albums or songs to support bands that they appreciate.  They might not buy copies of everything they download, but they wouldn't have paid for most of it in the first place, and many of them will buy things they were exposed to via free download that they never would have known about to buy in the first place.


As far as e-book pricing goes, I like the idea of 99 cents, though I don't think they have to go that low.  Oftentimes e-books are priced at the same price, or near the price, of hardcovers, and that's ridiculous.  Price them at $3-$6, the same a paperback from day one, and sales will go way up.
2013-10-15 03:29:29 PM
2 votes:
The old "Unknown writer promotes his work by essentially giving it away" schtick with mumbo jumbo about copyright in the internet age.

Cory Doctorow did this and became rather well known even though his writing sucks, and I bet Rob Reid's book also sucks.

Years ago it was common when a new radio station came on the air they would self-promote as being "advertisement free" and wait a few months to get an audience that they could charge hefty advertising rates for.
2013-10-15 04:29:04 PM
1 votes:

uber humper: goolump: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.

I was watching a YouTube video of a recent PJ  concert. I was a little embarrassed for them and their 30 to 40somthing y/o fans decked out in grunge. These are the 90's version of the Summer of Love hippies who never grew up.


"Decked out in grunge"?? WTF does that even mean?

I bet these 30-40 something PJ fans were wearing jeans and t-shirts. How awful...slackers!

What do you recommend, boat shoes and khakis, I presume?
2013-10-15 04:09:34 PM
1 votes:

bunner: TuteTibiImperes: fighting it instead of embracing it.

That sounds all very rosy, but the fact of the matter is that "embracing" 0 1 data technology for recordings makes them absolutely cost prohibitive as anything but a hobby.  And we all know how quality shifts when hobbyists start running the show. The only thing keeping people from downloading a new Kia and GE freezers is nobody has invented a transporter yet.  Data is endlessly malleable.  This makes it a great editing platform and also makes anything ported to it endlessly and losslessly replicable and of very questionable veracity.  Nobody ever checks to see if both sides of the sword are sharpened before they start swinging.


You're assuming that just because people could download for free that they'd stop paying for it.  Granted, some would, but some wouldn't.  There are also other income streams that artists could look to - touring, merchandise, and licensing their music for use in TV, Movies, and commercials.
2013-10-15 04:03:19 PM
1 votes:

mr0x: Meh.

Music is better now than it was before. Decades before 99% of the music I listened was major label. Now, it is probably around 50%. There is more variety and tons and tons of information and samples available.


Could not agree more. It's a hell of a lot more difficult to sell a million records. But there's a fark ton more people paying the bills playing music than there ever was with the old label system. Anyone who can't see this is blind.
2013-10-15 04:01:12 PM
1 votes:

bunner: Coders are not the new rock stars

Rock stars are the new rock stars, or the old rock stars.  Things that have a purchase upon culture tend to develop histories.

Coders are the new coders.

Everybody stop trying to staple rock and roll to their 1337 Sun SPARC rigs and cheeseburgers and tennis shoes and maybe the music will get a bit better when everybody starts doing what they do and getting paid.


Jesus mary and joseph with the getting paid whine. There's nothing any less just about the way musicians are compensated compared to the world at large. A few get lucky, most don't. People pay for music what it's worth to them just like anything else.
2013-10-15 03:49:13 PM
1 votes:

Target Builder: They're still around? It always amazes me when I find out that groups that were big while I was in high school a long long time ago are still going. Who are their fans these days?


Well, I think it has something to do with good music not being tied to whatever the kewl trendz0rs is, this week, by people who actually just like music.

In other words,

wwwrollingstones.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com

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You should only stop making music if you run out of things to say and only stop playing other people's music when t doesn't groove you anymore or you can't pick up your instrument.

Cause it's about the music, oddly.
2013-10-15 03:48:21 PM
1 votes:
uber humper:

haha.  For the answer look at my post 20 seconds ahead of yours.

I need to refresh before posting.

So... Peter Pans.

:(
2013-10-15 03:42:10 PM
1 votes:

goolump: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.


I was watching a YouTube video of a recent PJ  concert. I was a little embarrassed for them and their 30 to 40somthing y/o fans decked out in grunge. These are the 90's version of the Summer of Love hippies who never grew up.
2013-10-15 03:38:46 PM
1 votes:

HairBolus: The old "Unknown writer promotes his work by essentially giving it away" schtick with mumbo jumbo about copyright in the internet age.

Cory Doctorow did this and became rather well known even though his writing sucks, and I bet Rob Reid's book also sucks.

Years ago it was common when a new radio station came on the air they would self-promote as being "advertisement free" and wait a few months to get an audience that they could charge hefty advertising rates for.


Yea, it's not a novel idea, take a look at  the titles for kindle for $0.99. It only makes sense for an unknown to give away or charge very little for a product. I think it's great.

To me Doctorow is a YA author, and I read it with that in mind.
2013-10-15 03:38:36 PM
1 votes:
About half the time i go to buy an e-book I just say F it and order a real one, since on Amazon physical books somehow cost less than e-books.  Including shipping.  And they can't make you turn off a real book during take-off and landing.
2013-10-15 03:27:46 PM
1 votes:
He talked about it with Leo Laporte on TWiT, and it was a good discussion (Jerry Pournelle was on, and had a few things to say, of course).  I don't think he was being biatchy about it.

He did marry Morgan Webb, so his life isn't too bad.
2013-10-15 03:03:27 PM
1 votes:
Better a small check than no check at all
 
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