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(Ars Technica)   Founder of Rhapsody is absolutely delighted that his publisher is selling his novel for 99 cents. "Having watched the American music industry bleed out half of its revenues over 10 years, I sure don't want publishing to do the same"   (arstechnica.com) divider line 92
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2013-10-15 03:03:27 PM  
Better a small check than no check at all
 
2013-10-15 03:17:26 PM  

Langston: Better a small check than no check at all


Why else check the mail box anymore?
 
2013-10-15 03:21:31 PM  
I was with him until...

As if the only way to properly honor that one Chumbawumba song (yes, it was that long ago...) was to charge $15.99 to get it glued to 11 other songs in a full-length CD. Wrong. What truly devalued music was requiring the downloading public to pirate it rather than purchase it for five long years.

Tubthumper was by a hefty margin the worst song on that album, the rest of it is actually fun to listen to and don't make you want to stab your eyes out.
 
2013-10-15 03:22:09 PM  

NkThrasher: Tubthumper was by a hefty margin the worst song on that album, the rest of it is actually fun to listen to and don't doesn't make you want to stab your eyes out.


FTFM
 
2013-10-15 03:24:30 PM  
Rob Reid is a novelist, entrepreneur, and music industry expert.

Um, huh.

I don't know how to break it to the "music is old and stupid and should be free but software is holy and you should always buy it so I can have nice things" IT crowd, but, for all of the pissing and moaning about how new, emerging artists go unnoticed and how boring and cookie cutter repetitive most new music is, they seem to overlook the fact that nothing survives unless it moves money around and if you write, play, record, mix, produce and distribute musical recordings, the quality is gonna pretty much suck if the people doing it can't pay the rent.

You can romanticize an industry you know nothing about from your armchair next to the 2 TB of sh*t you glommed up off of torrents and limewire 5 years ago, but the fact of the matter is, the cream isn't going to rise to the top anymore because the only thing that works in the Western world is when people vote with their wallets.  Enjoy your 600.00 Lady Gaga tickets and don't forget to buy a T-Shirt from that "awesome band that played at that club the other night that you can't understand why they aren't like super mega famous" so they can put gas in the van.
 
2013-10-15 03:25:18 PM  

Langston: Better a small check than no check at all


Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836
 
2013-10-15 03:27:46 PM  
He talked about it with Leo Laporte on TWiT, and it was a good discussion (Jerry Pournelle was on, and had a few things to say, of course).  I don't think he was being biatchy about it.

He did marry Morgan Webb, so his life isn't too bad.
 
2013-10-15 03:29:29 PM  
The old "Unknown writer promotes his work by essentially giving it away" schtick with mumbo jumbo about copyright in the internet age.

Cory Doctorow did this and became rather well known even though his writing sucks, and I bet Rob Reid's book also sucks.

Years ago it was common when a new radio station came on the air they would self-promote as being "advertisement free" and wait a few months to get an audience that they could charge hefty advertising rates for.
 
2013-10-15 03:30:17 PM  

NkThrasher: Tubthumper was by a hefty margin the worst song on that album, the rest of it is actually fun to listen to and don't make you want to stab your eyes out.


Yes, your opinion, which apparently was not shared by all the people who helped Tubthumper chart, is definitely objectively and completely correct.
 
2013-10-15 03:33:23 PM  

uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836


Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.
 
2013-10-15 03:34:23 PM  

Cynicism101: NkThrasher: Tubthumper was by a hefty margin the worst song on that album, the rest of it is actually fun to listen to and don't make you want to stab your eyes out.

Yes, your opinion, which apparently was not shared by all the people who helped Tubthumper chart, is definitely objectively and completely correct.


Apt handle.  Playing it up to match or are you really just that grouchy?  ( Or potentially participating in national grouch day  http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/National_Grouch_Day )
 
2013-10-15 03:38:36 PM  
About half the time i go to buy an e-book I just say F it and order a real one, since on Amazon physical books somehow cost less than e-books.  Including shipping.  And they can't make you turn off a real book during take-off and landing.
 
2013-10-15 03:38:46 PM  

HairBolus: The old "Unknown writer promotes his work by essentially giving it away" schtick with mumbo jumbo about copyright in the internet age.

Cory Doctorow did this and became rather well known even though his writing sucks, and I bet Rob Reid's book also sucks.

Years ago it was common when a new radio station came on the air they would self-promote as being "advertisement free" and wait a few months to get an audience that they could charge hefty advertising rates for.


Yea, it's not a novel idea, take a look at  the titles for kindle for $0.99. It only makes sense for an unknown to give away or charge very little for a product. I think it's great.

To me Doctorow is a YA author, and I read it with that in mind.
 
2013-10-15 03:40:18 PM  
More importantly: Spotify or Rhapsody?
 
2013-10-15 03:42:10 PM  

goolump: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.


I was watching a YouTube video of a recent PJ  concert. I was a little embarrassed for them and their 30 to 40somthing y/o fans decked out in grunge. These are the 90's version of the Summer of Love hippies who never grew up.
 
2013-10-15 03:42:30 PM  

uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836


They're still around? It always amazes me when I find out that groups that were big while I was in high school a long long time ago are still going. Who are their fans these days? People who never grew up from high school and have been following the same band for three decades? Or has the band grown up with their audience and now sings about sending their kids to college? Or is a group of 50 year old guys somehow still relevant to kids in high school discovering their music for the first time?
 
2013-10-15 03:44:47 PM  

Target Builder: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

They're still around? It always amazes me when I find out that groups that were big while I was in high school a long long time ago are still going. Who are their fans these days? People who never grew up from high school and have been following the same band for three decades? Or has the band grown up with their audience and now sings about sending their kids to college? Or is a group of 50 year old guys somehow still relevant to kids in high school discovering their music for the first time?


haha.  For the answer look at my post 20 seconds ahead of yours.
 
2013-10-15 03:48:21 PM  
uber humper:

haha.  For the answer look at my post 20 seconds ahead of yours.

I need to refresh before posting.

So... Peter Pans.

:(
 
2013-10-15 03:49:13 PM  

Target Builder: They're still around? It always amazes me when I find out that groups that were big while I was in high school a long long time ago are still going. Who are their fans these days?


Well, I think it has something to do with good music not being tied to whatever the kewl trendz0rs is, this week, by people who actually just like music.

In other words,

wwwrollingstones.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com

img.dailymail.co.uk

You should only stop making music if you run out of things to say and only stop playing other people's music when t doesn't groove you anymore or you can't pick up your instrument.

Cause it's about the music, oddly.
 
2013-10-15 03:53:18 PM  
Publishers mostly working hard to let him down.
 
2013-10-15 03:54:08 PM  

Target Builder: uber humper:

haha.  For the answer look at my post 20 seconds ahead of yours.

I need to refresh before posting.

So... Peter Pans.

:(


No, no. I was surprised it was practically a simulpost

No Peter Pans, but I'd imagine there were pixie cuts (I still kinda like pixie cuts).
 
2013-10-15 03:54:15 PM  

bunner: Rob Reid is a novelist, entrepreneur, and music industry expert.

Um, huh.

I don't know how to break it to the "music is old and stupid and should be free but software is holy and you should always buy it so I can have nice things" IT crowd, but, for all of the pissing and moaning about how new, emerging artists go unnoticed and how boring and cookie cutter repetitive most new music is, they seem to overlook the fact that nothing survives unless it moves money around and if you write, play, record, mix, produce and distribute musical recordings, the quality is gonna pretty much suck if the people doing it can't pay the rent.

You can romanticize an industry you know nothing about from your armchair next to the 2 TB of sh*t you glommed up off of torrents and limewire 5 years ago, but the fact of the matter is, the cream isn't going to rise to the top anymore because the only thing that works in the Western world is when people vote with their wallets.  Enjoy your 600.00 Lady Gaga tickets and don't forget to buy a T-Shirt from that "awesome band that played at that club the other night that you can't understand why they aren't like super mega famous" so they can put gas in the van.


New technology fundamentally changed the industry, and they hurt themselves a great deal, and continue to do so to an extent, but fighting it instead of embracing it.

I agree with you that musicians, studio techs, etc, need to earn a living.  I agree with you that music should be made available for purchase both physically and digitally.  I also believe that file sharing for personal use should be completely legal, and that it wouldn't hurt the overall industry.

The studies that have been done show that those who use file sharing services actually buy MORE music than those who don't.  Many people use it as a way of trying out new things, seeing if they like it, and then buying albums or songs to support bands that they appreciate.  They might not buy copies of everything they download, but they wouldn't have paid for most of it in the first place, and many of them will buy things they were exposed to via free download that they never would have known about to buy in the first place.


As far as e-book pricing goes, I like the idea of 99 cents, though I don't think they have to go that low.  Oftentimes e-books are priced at the same price, or near the price, of hardcovers, and that's ridiculous.  Price them at $3-$6, the same a paperback from day one, and sales will go way up.
 
2013-10-15 03:56:04 PM  
Coders are not the new rock stars

Rock stars are the new rock stars, or the old rock stars.  Things that have a purchase upon culture tend to develop histories.

Coders are the new coders.

Everybody stop trying to staple rock and roll to their 1337 Sun SPARC rigs and cheeseburgers and tennis shoes and maybe the music will get a bit better when everybody starts doing what they do and getting paid.
 
2013-10-15 03:56:18 PM  

bunner: Target Builder: They're still around? It always amazes me when I find out that groups that were big while I was in high school a long long time ago are still going. Who are their fans these days?

Well, I think it has something to do with good music not being tied to whatever the kewl trendz0rs is, this week, by people who actually just like music.

In other words,

[wwwrollingstones.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com image 825x660]

[img.dailymail.co.uk image 468x663]

You should only stop making music if you run out of things to say and only stop playing other people's music when t doesn't groove you anymore or you can't pick up your instrument.

Cause it's about the music, oddly.


Heh. That's funny. Because you said what you said and then posted a picture of a bunch of funeral directors who haven't put out a cumulative cd worth decent material in nearly a quarter century
 
2013-10-15 04:01:12 PM  

bunner: Rob Reid is a novelist, entrepreneur, and music industry expert.

Um, huh.

I don't know how to break it to the "music is old and stupid and should be free but software is holy and you should always buy it so I can have nice things" IT crowd, but, for all of the pissing and moaning about how new, emerging artists go unnoticed and how boring and cookie cutter repetitive most new music is, they seem to overlook the fact that nothing survives unless it moves money around and if you write, play, record, mix, produce and distribute musical recordings, the quality is gonna pretty much suck if the people doing it can't pay the rent.

You can romanticize an industry you know nothing about from your armchair next to the 2 TB of sh*t you glommed up off of torrents and limewire 5 years ago, but the fact of the matter is, the cream isn't going to rise to the top anymore because the only thing that works in the Western world is when people vote with their wallets.  Enjoy your 600.00 Lady Gaga tickets and don't forget to buy a T-Shirt from that "awesome band that played at that club the other night that you can't understand why they aren't like super mega famous" so they can put gas in the van.


Meh.

Music is better now than it was before. Decades before 99% of the music I listened was major label. Now, it is probably around 50%. There is more variety and tons and tons of information and samples available.

With youtube, smaller artists can have videos (cheaply produced). Some bands use kickstarter for funding. There are always avenues if you want it.

The only thing I don't get is why bands still produce filler songs. People are just going to delete the crappy songs off their playlists or not buy them if they are buying song by song. I wish the holdover notion that an album of 45-60 minute of music has to be released would go away. A brilliant song probably does more for an indie band than an album of mediocre songs.
 
2013-10-15 04:01:12 PM  

bunner: Coders are not the new rock stars

Rock stars are the new rock stars, or the old rock stars.  Things that have a purchase upon culture tend to develop histories.

Coders are the new coders.

Everybody stop trying to staple rock and roll to their 1337 Sun SPARC rigs and cheeseburgers and tennis shoes and maybe the music will get a bit better when everybody starts doing what they do and getting paid.


Jesus mary and joseph with the getting paid whine. There's nothing any less just about the way musicians are compensated compared to the world at large. A few get lucky, most don't. People pay for music what it's worth to them just like anything else.
 
2013-10-15 04:01:33 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: fighting it instead of embracing it.


That sounds all very rosy, but the fact of the matter is that "embracing" 0 1 data technology for recordings makes them absolutely cost prohibitive as anything but a hobby.  And we all know how quality shifts when hobbyists start running the show. The only thing keeping people from downloading a new Kia and GE freezers is nobody has invented a transporter yet.  Data is endlessly malleable.  This makes it a great editing platform and also makes anything ported to it endlessly and losslessly replicable and of very questionable veracity.  Nobody ever checks to see if both sides of the sword are sharpened before they start swinging.
 
2013-10-15 04:02:56 PM  

CruJones: About half the time i go to buy an e-book I just say F it and order a real one, since on Amazon physical books somehow cost less than e-books.  Including shipping.  And they can't make you turn off a real book during take-off and landing.


I haven't seen too many cases of that since the DOJ came down hard on the publishers that colluded with Apple to keep prices high. Kindle prices have gotten a lot more competitive lately, and I'm finding good stuff on sale for $2-3 all the time.
 
2013-10-15 04:03:06 PM  

mr0x: Music is better now than it was before.


All subjective, but I'm glad you're finding new stuff.
 
2013-10-15 04:03:19 PM  

mr0x: Meh.

Music is better now than it was before. Decades before 99% of the music I listened was major label. Now, it is probably around 50%. There is more variety and tons and tons of information and samples available.


Could not agree more. It's a hell of a lot more difficult to sell a million records. But there's a fark ton more people paying the bills playing music than there ever was with the old label system. Anyone who can't see this is blind.
 
2013-10-15 04:08:00 PM  
Don't worry folks, Clear Channel and Simon Cowell will tell you what want to listen to on your morning drive, and around dinner time on the teevee.
 
2013-10-15 04:09:34 PM  

bunner: TuteTibiImperes: fighting it instead of embracing it.

That sounds all very rosy, but the fact of the matter is that "embracing" 0 1 data technology for recordings makes them absolutely cost prohibitive as anything but a hobby.  And we all know how quality shifts when hobbyists start running the show. The only thing keeping people from downloading a new Kia and GE freezers is nobody has invented a transporter yet.  Data is endlessly malleable.  This makes it a great editing platform and also makes anything ported to it endlessly and losslessly replicable and of very questionable veracity.  Nobody ever checks to see if both sides of the sword are sharpened before they start swinging.


You're assuming that just because people could download for free that they'd stop paying for it.  Granted, some would, but some wouldn't.  There are also other income streams that artists could look to - touring, merchandise, and licensing their music for use in TV, Movies, and commercials.
 
2013-10-15 04:10:32 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Don't worry folks, Clear Channel and Simon Cowell will tell you what want to listen to on your morning drive, and around dinner time on the teevee.


"Everything is a competition now.  People watch those shows where people have to compete and the panel acts like douchebags."

"What are the focus group numbers?"

"Off the charts.  People love to watch people either blossom or fall on their ass and they don't care which."

"Find me some nobodies who want to be famous and some already semi-famous douchbags and then call Advertising sales."
 
2013-10-15 04:13:23 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: - touring, merchandise, and licensing their music for use in TV, Movies, and commercials.


Yeah.

That's true.

You can, like, put up video and get lots of hits.  They don't pay anything, but.. hits.

But nobody ever wrote and recorded a brilliant, life changing record while being a part time T-Shirt salsesperson or trying to find a way to more effectively sell cheeseburgers with a piano.  If they did, it didn't end up in my collection.  Can you e-mail me a zipped copy?  *snort*       :  )
 
2013-10-15 04:14:08 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Don't worry folks, Clear Channel and Simon Cowell will tell you what want to listen to on your morning drive, and around dinner time on the teevee.


Radio, TV? WTF gramps?
 
2013-10-15 04:14:29 PM  
All the bullshiat in that article and I'm the Weeners on this:

He's also a xenobiologist with a specialty in interstellar copyright.

Interstellar copyright? Xarxon 5, please cease and desist further distibution of the colon map resulting from the anal probe of John Q. Nobody from Bumfark, Arkansas.  Mr. Nobody has not authorized distibution in any medium except digital video.  Further distribution will result in a class action suit by all similarly situated anal probees and protracted litigation.
 
2013-10-15 04:14:51 PM  

bunner: EdNortonsTwin: Don't worry folks, Clear Channel and Simon Cowell will tell you what want to listen to on your morning drive, and around dinner time on the teevee.

"Everything is a competition now.  People watch those shows where people have to compete and the panel acts like douchebags."

"What are the focus group numbers?"

"Off the charts.  People love to watch people either blossom or fall on their ass and they don't care which."

"Find me some nobodies who want to be famous and some already semi-famous douchbags and then call Advertising sales."


Somebody needs to bite a birds head-off and spit it on these peoples' laps.
 
2013-10-15 04:15:29 PM  
NkThrasher:

Tubthumper was by a hefty margin the worst song on that album, the rest of it is actually fun to listen to and don't make you want to stab your eyes out.

I take a whiskey drink
I take a chocolate drink
and when I have to pee
I use the kitchen sink!
I sing the song that reminds me I'm a urinating guy.
 
2013-10-15 04:16:05 PM  

uber humper: Radio, TV? WTF gramps?


They're media distribution pushcast platforms that generate billions in revenue a year.  Mostly for people who couldn't make fridge art and have very nice cars.
 
2013-10-15 04:18:55 PM  

bunner: uber humper: Radio, TV? WTF gramps?

They're media distribution pushcast platforms that generate billions in revenue a year.  Mostly for people who couldn't make fridge art and have very nice cars.


Shall I guess how many gold records you have on your wall, because I'm thinking it's more than a few...
 
2013-10-15 04:19:53 PM  

bunner: uber humper: Radio, TV? WTF gramps?

They're media distribution pushcast platforms that generate billions in revenue a year.  Mostly for people who couldn't make fridge art and have very nice cars.


Both as dead an they just don't know it (or know any better).  For TV: the billions in revenue a year is wasted.  Very few commercials are being watched.

Radio is on its last generation of listeners.
 
2013-10-15 04:20:26 PM  

bunner: TuteTibiImperes: - touring, merchandise, and licensing their music for use in TV, Movies, and commercials.

Yeah.

That's true.

You can, like, put up video and get lots of hits.  They don't pay anything, but.. hits.

But nobody ever wrote and recorded a brilliant, life changing record while being a part time T-Shirt salsesperson or trying to find a way to more effectively sell cheeseburgers with a piano.  If they did, it didn't end up in my collection.  Can you e-mail me a zipped copy?  *snort*       :  )


Since I didn't mention online videos as a means of profit generation, I don't see what your point is.  It can, however, be great for building name recognition.  A band can start out, as many do, as a group of people with no name recognition playing the local scene.  Most of them likely have day jobs, whether selling t-shirts, flipping burgers, whatever.

In the old model they'd have to keep playing and hope for a label or talent scout to take notice.  Now they can take their music to the people themselves.  If they get a few million hits on YouTube and start getting a following on their channel they can use that to advertise to their fans where their shows will be.  They can start playing larger venues and making more money playing them.  They can sell their band t-shirts directly to the people, as well as selling albums directly to the people.  Maybe at that point they will get picked up by a label and be able to sell even more albums as their music shows up on store shelves.  Maybe an ad exec hears their tune and thinks it would be great on the campaign he's working on for a new car, or a director hears it and thinks it would be perfect in the soundtrack to his new film, boom, even more profit opportunity.

Album sales are one way to make money, and unrestricted file sharing for personal use might make a dent in them, or it might expose more people and lead to more legitimate sales.  Even if it did lead to a reduction in album sales, that isn't the only revenue stream a band has.
 
2013-10-15 04:21:57 PM  

bunner: TuteTibiImperes: - touring, merchandise, and licensing their music for use in TV, Movies, and commercials.

Yeah.

That's true.

You can, like, put up video and get lots of hits.  They don't pay anything, but.. hits.

But nobody ever wrote and recorded a brilliant, life changing record while being a part time T-Shirt salsesperson or trying to find a way to more effectively sell cheeseburgers with a piano.  If they did, it didn't end up in my collection.  Can you e-mail me a zipped copy?  *snort*       :  )


There's a lot of popular YouTube channels that rake in thousands of dollars in real money, thanks to the ads. That crappy Friday song, for example, made $20k from the views.
 
2013-10-15 04:23:43 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: bunner: uber humper: Radio, TV? WTF gramps?

They're media distribution pushcast platforms that generate billions in revenue a year.  Mostly for people who couldn't make fridge art and have very nice cars.

Shall I guess how many gold records you have on your wall, because I'm thinking it's more than a few...


I mix live shows, got one tonight, actually, records, demos and live sound I have a film score coming up.  I'm a singer / songwriter, I record and mix my own stuff and I've been doing this a while.  Like, decades.  And I can flat out tell you that Digital Audio Workstations are the most friendly and useful editing platforms ever.  Hands down.  They blow everything else out of the water.  And digital is a seriously piss poor recording and reproduction platform.  And everything you port to it can be globally distributed for free in about 7 hours of seeding.  And that pretty much IS the state of the "industry"
 
2013-10-15 04:25:14 PM  

Mad_Radhu: There's a lot of popular YouTube channels that rake in thousands of dollars in real money, thanks to the ads. That crappy Friday song, for example, made $20k from the views.


And other YouTube channels being sold for nice sums.
 
2013-10-15 04:25:59 PM  

Mad_Radhu: There's a lot of popular YouTube channels that rake in thousands of dollars in real money, thanks to the ads. That crappy Friday song, for example, made $20k from the views.


Which is about break even for a record made in an actual, useful studio with good acoustics, gear and competent engineers.  All of which could be handily stored on a playback device, sans ads, for anybody who wants to hear it at their own whim, for 99¢ a song.  Which is about what a 45 cost 50 years ago.  Inflation.  How does it work?
 
2013-10-15 04:27:48 PM  

bunner: And everything you port to it can be globally distributed for free in about 7 hours of seeding. And that pretty much IS the state of the "industry"


The young whippersnappers seem to be making a nice go of it this way. Things change. There's still an 'industry', you just don't have to blow one of like 17 people to participate in it these days.
 
2013-10-15 04:29:04 PM  

uber humper: goolump: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.

I was watching a YouTube video of a recent PJ  concert. I was a little embarrassed for them and their 30 to 40somthing y/o fans decked out in grunge. These are the 90's version of the Summer of Love hippies who never grew up.


"Decked out in grunge"?? WTF does that even mean?

I bet these 30-40 something PJ fans were wearing jeans and t-shirts. How awful...slackers!

What do you recommend, boat shoes and khakis, I presume?
 
2013-10-15 04:29:41 PM  
"Welcome to my restaurant.  You can buy any meal you like, take it home and eat it forever, any time you want for a 99¢ tip."

"Wow, you are greedy.  Food should be free."

"It costs a lot to get, prepare, cook and we have great recipes and gas and electricity cost money, too."

"Yeah, whatever.  I'm gonna get a 7.00 dirty martini and tip the bartender with the hot ass a fiver cause, hot ass."
 
2013-10-15 04:33:12 PM  

bunner: EdNortonsTwin: bunner: uber humper: Radio, TV? WTF gramps?

They're media distribution pushcast platforms that generate billions in revenue a year.  Mostly for people who couldn't make fridge art and have very nice cars.

Shall I guess how many gold records you have on your wall, because I'm thinking it's more than a few...

I mix live shows, got one tonight, actually, records, demos and live sound I have a film score coming up.  I'm a singer / songwriter, I record and mix my own stuff and I've been doing this a while.  Like, decades.  And I can flat out tell you that Digital Audio Workstations are the most friendly and useful editing platforms ever.  Hands down.  They blow everything else out of the water.  And digital is a seriously piss poor recording and reproduction platform.  And everything you port to it can be globally distributed for free in about 7 hours of seeding.  And that pretty much IS the state of the "industry"


I quit recording/playing/touring in bands years ago, but quit so i wouldn't...um....die.


I scored an M-Audio recorder and some good mics - need some basic software to record a number of songs I mysteriously wrote over the past year.  Any suggestions? I'll actually buy the software and not download it...because I care damnit!  :-)
 
2013-10-15 04:38:07 PM  
Wow. Someone was invested in the old way of doing things and forgot to adjust to the changing times. Sorry. Like I said, I think there are more people making a living from music than at any time in recorded history. Lots of shiat out there for sure but there is access to way more good shiat we'd have never heard the old way as well. Frankly it's odd to me that anyone would defend the label system and terrestrial radio as it existed previously as the most corrupt industry there is. Outside of maybe diamonds or oil that is. Or heroin. I guess that's a corrupt industry as well.
 
2013-10-15 04:38:27 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: I scored an M-Audio recorder and some good mics - need some basic software to record a number of songs I mysteriously wrote over the past year.  Any suggestions? I'll actually buy the software and not download it...because I care damnit!  :-)


Reaper is free, but it's nagware and very cheap to license.  I think it uses most VST plugins.  Everything north of that sort of gets into "decent used car" rage.  I'm using Nuendo, a very old distro, because I have some film work coming up and the GUI looks like an actual mixer and I do so love nostalgia.   :  )  Recording.  The only industry in the world that offers for sale an endless array of digital simulacrums that are guaranteed to "sound just like" all the stuff we were told we had to throw away.  It's the museum of not quite getting it.  Convenience is, at the end of the day, a whore.
 
2013-10-15 04:41:43 PM  

bunner: EdNortonsTwin: bunner: uber humper: Radio, TV? WTF gramps?

They're media distribution pushcast platforms that generate billions in revenue a year.  Mostly for people who couldn't make fridge art and have very nice cars.

Shall I guess how many gold records you have on your wall, because I'm thinking it's more than a few...

I mix live shows, got one tonight, actually, records, demos and live sound I have a film score coming up.  I'm a singer / songwriter, I record and mix my own stuff and I've been doing this a while.  Like, decades.   And I can flat out tell you that Digital Audio Workstations are the most friendly and useful editing platforms ever.  Hands down.  They blow everything else out of the water.  And digital is a seriously piss poor recording and reproduction platform.  And everything you port to it can be globally distributed for free in about 7 hours of seeding.  And that pretty much IS the state of the "industry"


Sad thing about that is how jaded people become - ten years ago my buddy who makes a living in his recording studio and touring playing guitar with classic rock acts was way in to the quality music.  He had a 24bit DVD/CD player and had the collection of 24bit remasters from Columbia Records; $2k speakers; tube pre-amp all damn good quality...he's been selling bits of it off here and there to get rid of the clutter.  Though he can pick out quality and frequencies right away, he doesn't really even care that much anymore as long as he "can hear it, it's good enough".

wth!!?

 Ever since an entire music collection could fit in the palm of your hand w/o any sort of tactile feel of the LP or CD it's really made music seem....disposable.
 
2013-10-15 04:42:26 PM  
And when it comes to gear fetishists, remember kids; It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian.  Mo better arrows are mo better, but it's still the Indian.
 
2013-10-15 04:44:22 PM  

uber humper: goolump: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.

I was watching a YouTube video of a recent PJ  concert. I was a little embarrassed for them and their 30 to 40somthing y/o fans decked out in grunge. These are the 90's version of the Summer of Love hippies who never grew up.



Nah, they're just reliving their youth for a day.  Come Monday they'll put on some pants, get in the Camry and head to the office.

Nostalgia is a huge money maker, especially since their fans now make far more than they did 20 years ago and will shell out $150 (or more)  a ticket.
 
2013-10-15 04:44:36 PM  
When you write a book, there are some "fair use" understandings. Basically, people can quote your book verbatim without owing royalties or whatever, as long as they make a good-faith effort to point out that it's a quote or excerpt from another person's work. Music should be similar. If you want to take a track off an album and share it around, just make sure you credit the songwriter/performer.

As far as money is concerned...

A: the suggestion that good music only comes from money is patently untrue and a little stupid (Some of the most enduring work was written by composers living hand-to-mouth, some of the best modern stuff is produced on a laptop by one person working with simple tools {Although only bad guys listen to dubstep} ).

B: Minstrels, and that's what these idiot "artists" are, minstrels get paid by performing in concert or finding someone with enough money to waste on supporting a pet artist. The idea that musicians should be making enough money to buy a small island every week is one that needs to die. If you make music because you enjoy it, fine. Don't expect to make money off of it, there are millions of people who work far harder and deserve that cash far more. If you charge hundreds of dollars per person for a performance, you should be ashamed of your greed.
 
2013-10-15 04:45:40 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: He had a 24bit DVD/CD player and had the collection of 24bit remasters from Columbia Records; $2k speakers; tube pre-amp all damn good quality...he's been selling bits of it off here and there to get rid of the clutter.


i.imgur.com

Why buy a diamond ring for a hooker?
 
2013-10-15 04:48:56 PM  

bunner: And when it comes to gear fetishists, remember kids; It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian.  Mo better arrows are mo better, but it's still the Indian.


Which is why today is much more better. Waaaaay more Indians to choose from now that we don't have some artificial gatekeepers limiting access. If you're commercially exploitable the labels will still come and grab you and leave the rest of us alone to listen to what we'd like to listen to however we please.
 
2013-10-15 04:50:05 PM  

bunner: EdNortonsTwin: He had a 24bit DVD/CD player and had the collection of 24bit remasters from Columbia Records; $2k speakers; tube pre-amp all damn good quality...he's been selling bits of it off here and there to get rid of the clutter.

[i.imgur.com image 600x403]

Why buy a diamond ring for a hooker?


Is your argument 'why bother buying good speakers and equipment to play back the music because it's just going to be mastered for iPod earphones' or 'why bother mastering for anything but iPod earphones because that's what most people are going to listen to it on'?
 
2013-10-15 04:50:35 PM  
e-books are evil and don't pay the royalties to make it worth your time. writing always paid crap and now it pays even less.
 
2013-10-15 04:52:32 PM  

bunner: And when it comes to gear fetishists, remember kids; It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian.  Mo better arrows are mo better, but it's still the Indian.


No farking kidding. "Blah blah blah, $3 bazillion dollar woofers" sounds just like "I don't watch anything that isn't HD." Maybe I should invent a tube assembly that carries farts straight from the ass to the nose, I'd make a mint off people like this.
 
2013-10-15 04:53:35 PM  

bunner: EdNortonsTwin: He had a 24bit DVD/CD player and had the collection of 24bit remasters from Columbia Records; $2k speakers; tube pre-amp all damn good quality...he's been selling bits of it off here and there to get rid of the clutter.

[i.imgur.com image 600x403]

Why buy a diamond ring for a hooker?

Yea....point taken.



It isamazing how good recordings from the 70s still sound I must say.

I don't care how much room the JBLs take up on the entertainment unit, honey - they're staying!
 
2013-10-15 04:55:00 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: bunner: EdNortonsTwin: He had a 24bit DVD/CD player and had the collection of 24bit remasters from Columbia Records; $2k speakers; tube pre-amp all damn good quality...he's been selling bits of it off here and there to get rid of the clutter.

[i.imgur.com image 600x403]

Why buy a diamond ring for a hooker?

Is your argument 'why bother buying good speakers and equipment to play back the music because it's just going to be mastered for iPod earphones' or 'why bother mastering for anything but iPod earphones because that's what most people are going to listen to it on'?


No.  I have no argument.  I'm saying that a whole lot of talent, skills, craft and experience goes into something that will probably wind up ripped to half it's bitrate in WMP, and played through ad device with a siganl chain that makes AM transistor radios sound good.  And that's fine, but this "OMG TEH GEAR" horsesh*t is a joke.  Also, you can't "master" anything on headphones or even mix with them, frankly.  They're reference tools.  Mastering is a whole different packet of Oreos.
 
2013-10-15 04:56:51 PM  

Omahawg: e-books are evil and don't pay the royalties to make it worth your time. writing always paid crap and now it pays even less.


Step one: Get a new(ish) copy of Writer's Market.
Step two: Read how different publishers compensate.
Step three: Profit, if you're capable of it. Plenty of people still have more money than sense.

I think a lot of writers assume that since it took them two years to write their book, it should be worth two years of pay. Unfortunately, time spent on the task doesn't reflect quality. Meanwhile, writing for the dolts who publish niche magazines is the only reason I can afford medication.
 
2013-10-15 04:57:22 PM  

Infobahn: He talked about it with Leo Laporte on TWiT, and it was a good discussion (Jerry Pournelle was on, and had a few things to say, of course).  I don't think he was being biatchy about it.

He did marry Morgan Webb, so his life isn't too bad.


holy shiat. 12 years younger... good catch.
 
2013-10-15 04:59:55 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: bunner: EdNortonsTwin: He had a 24bit DVD/CD player and had the collection of 24bit remasters from Columbia Records; $2k speakers; tube pre-amp all damn good quality...he's been selling bits of it off here and there to get rid of the clutter.

[i.imgur.com image 600x403]

Why buy a diamond ring for a hooker?

Yea....point taken.


It isamazing how good recordings from the 70s still sound I must say.

I don't care how much room the JBLs take up on the entertainment unit, honey - they're staying!


Recording musicians is, in a way like compiling code.  GIGO.  If the band sucks, so does the record and all the Melodyne and vocoders in the world wont make this fresh off the cookie cutter pack of wet farts sound any better than the last one.  So, it sort of helps if you can actually sing and play and write cause, um, shouting about how violet you are and how big your dick is and how women are whores over samples of other people's records has admittedly, lasted about 30 years but even fourteen year old boys get tired of giggling at that sh*t eventually.
 
2013-10-15 05:02:46 PM  

mr0x: The only thing I don't get is why bands still produce filler songs.


Probably the same reason that a lot of artists write filler lyrics to take up the other 4:21 of space between the one decent hook they wrote that is basically the whole song.
 
2013-10-15 05:04:43 PM  
John Hodgman reads the audiobook.
 
2013-10-15 05:05:25 PM  
He's just a poor boy from a poor family.
 
2013-10-15 05:10:42 PM  
Bill Aucoin (KISS)  told me in the 80s that VCR and video games ruined music and entertainment because it distracted kids from listening to music, and made things like and concerts shows on TV less of a spectacle that people anticipated watching, and then talked about the next day at work or on the playground.

I suppose there's always a revolution around the corner - let's just hope we get that bands break out and that don't sound under-produced because the producer tried hard to make them sound underproduced.

There's still good new music, there's just a bigger and easily accesible hoard to sift through to find it.  But we all know this.

I've been watching to much liveleak and youtube lately.  I need a good book to read.  Suggestions?  I like Cormack McCarthy, S.King, and Orson Card - open to whatever though.
 
2013-10-15 05:11:40 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: uber humper: goolump: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.

I was watching a YouTube video of a recent PJ  concert. I was a little embarrassed for them and their 30 to 40somthing y/o fans decked out in grunge. These are the 90's version of the Summer of Love hippies who never grew up.


Nah, they're just reliving their youth for a day.  Come Monday they'll put on some pants, get in the Camry and head to the office.

Nostalgia is a huge money maker, especially since their fans now make far more than they did 20 years ago and will shell out $150 (or more)  a ticket.


I checked, the PJ tickets are $70, for any seat in the house.

I went to Roger Waters a couple years back, that was $250 a ticket.

Somehow, I'm not really feeling the rage towards PJ.
 
2013-10-15 05:14:13 PM  
I gotta go do a show, but if I may offer one bit of advice about recording before I go, Ed.  the whole idea is to get the song in your head to come out of your speakers.  There are often happy accidents in the pursuit of this, but that's the idea.  And I encourage you to hit it with every hammer in the tool kit until it does.  And when it does, stop.  Take care.
 
2013-10-15 05:16:58 PM  

goolump: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.


Actually I listened to their new album in my car on the way to work this morning using Rhapsody, so I'm getting a huge kick out of these replies...

Seriously, it's a good album, I liked it a lot.  I could see someone saying it's overproduced but you knwo what, I'm 44 and like my shiat nice and polished these days.  Sue me.
 
2013-10-15 05:18:04 PM  
I charge $2.99 for my e-books. I think that's a more than fair price.
 
2013-10-15 05:19:45 PM  

bunner: Target Builder: They're still around? It always amazes me when I find out that groups that were big while I was in high school a long long time ago are still going. Who are their fans these days?

Well, I think it has something to do with good music not being tied to whatever the kewl trendz0rs is, this week, by people who actually just like music.

In other words,

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You should only stop making music if you run out of things to say and only stop playing other people's music when t doesn't groove you anymore or you can't pick up your instrument.

Cause it's about the music, oddly.


tl;dr - your favorite band sucks.

Seriously though, this guy hit the nail on the head.  If Pearl Jam tours for the new album, I'll go see it.  And I'll hoist a microbrewed beer to all the music snobs that are too uppity to like good music because it's not "in" anymore.
 
2013-10-15 05:28:02 PM  

Kahabut: TheDirtyNacho: uber humper: goolump: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.

I was watching a YouTube video of a recent PJ  concert. I was a little embarrassed for them and their 30 to 40somthing y/o fans decked out in grunge. These are the 90's version of the Summer of Love hippies who never grew up.


Nah, they're just reliving their youth for a day.  Come Monday they'll put on some pants, get in the Camry and head to the office.

Nostalgia is a huge money maker, especially since their fans now make far more than they did 20 years ago and will shell out $150 (or more)  a ticket.

I checked, the PJ tickets are $70, for any seat in the house.

I went to Roger Waters a couple years back, that was $250 a ticket.

Somehow, I'm not really feeling the rage towards PJ.



Their fans haven't aged enough I guess.  I know a guy who saw Paul McCartney back to back, 2 nights in a row at $300 each.  Modest seats and he played the same set.  I like music, but I just don't care that much...
 
2013-10-15 05:35:19 PM  

Bandito King: B: Minstrels, and that's what these idiot "artists" are, minstrels get paid by performing in concert or finding someone with enough money to waste on supporting a pet artist. The idea that musicians should be making enough money to buy a small island every week is one that needs to die. If you make music because you enjoy it, fine. Don't expect to make money off of it, there are millions of people who work far harder and deserve that cash far more. If you charge hundreds of dollars per person for a performance, you should be ashamed of your greed.


Love when people go on rants about how much money others "deserve" to make. Tell us what you do for a living. Let the power of Fark determine your salary.
 
2013-10-15 05:36:13 PM  

goolump: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.


Eddie Vedder is a whiney biatch with terrible music.
 
2013-10-15 05:54:16 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: bunner: Rob Reid is a novelist, entrepreneur, and music industry expert.

Um, huh.

I don't know how to break it to the "music is old and stupid and should be free but software is holy and you should always buy it so I can have nice things" IT crowd, but, for all of the pissing and moaning about how new, emerging artists go unnoticed and how boring and cookie cutter repetitive most new music is, they seem to overlook the fact that nothing survives unless it moves money around and if you write, play, record, mix, produce and distribute musical recordings, the quality is gonna pretty much suck if the people doing it can't pay the rent.

You can romanticize an industry you know nothing about from your armchair next to the 2 TB of sh*t you glommed up off of torrents and limewire 5 years ago, but the fact of the matter is, the cream isn't going to rise to the top anymore because the only thing that works in the Western world is when people vote with their wallets.  Enjoy your 600.00 Lady Gaga tickets and don't forget to buy a T-Shirt from that "awesome band that played at that club the other night that you can't understand why they aren't like super mega famous" so they can put gas in the van.

New technology fundamentally changed the industry, and they hurt themselves a great deal, and continue to do so to an extent, but fighting it instead of embracing it.

I agree with you that musicians, studio techs, etc, need to earn a living.  I agree with you that music should be made available for purchase both physically and digitally.  I also believe that file sharing for personal use should be completely legal, and that it wouldn't hurt the overall industry.

The studies that have been done show that those who use file sharing services actually buy MORE music than those who don't.  Many people use it as a way of trying out new things, seeing if they like it, and then buying albums or songs to support bands that they appreciate.  They might not buy copies of everything they download, but they wouldn't have paid for most of it in the first place, and many of them will buy things they were exposed to via free download that they never would have known about to buy in the first place.


As far as e-book pricing goes, I like the idea of 99 cents, though I don't think they have to go that low.  Oftentimes e-books are priced at the same price, or near the price, of hardcovers, and that's ridiculous.  Price them at $3-$6, the same a paperback from day one, and sales will go way up.


A few points:

1) The music industry did royally eff up and should have moved towards a new model faster and not do everything possible to generate bad PR. iTunes did more to fight music piracy than anything else, just as Steam was a major blow to computer game piracy more effective than any DRM.

2) Of course people that download music spend more money on music than people that don't, most of the people that don't download music probably weren't buying any in the first place.

3) People defending their actions as a "protest" or whatever are farking idiots. A legitimate way to protest business practices is not to buy their products, violating IP law. The people that do it "for the artist" are the worst, except in very limited circumstances their actions do nothing but hurt the artist.

4) Ebooks will take time to establish their place in the market. A problem is the people producing and selling physical copies can't compete with someone selling electronic copies at a significant discount. Over the next 5 years or so we will see ebooks become cheaper than physical books. The same process is under way with computer games (publishers inflated the price online so physical retailers of console games wouldn't get pissed off) which is improving and should get a lot better with consoles moving toward an electronic model.
 
2013-10-15 06:47:15 PM  
Oops, nevermind, I was thinking of this Rhapsody:

media.bigshinyrobot.com
 
2013-10-15 06:54:05 PM  

kling_klang_bed: Oops, nevermind, I was thinking of this Rhapsody:

[media.bigshinyrobot.com image 850x850]


 mp3ski.net
 
2013-10-15 07:15:46 PM  

Omahawg: e-books are evil and don't pay the royalties to make it worth your time. writing always paid crap and now it pays even less.


Tell that to self published Kindle authors like Amanda Hocking and John Locke. 35% of a shiatload of $1 ebooks eventually adds up to a lot. Cut out the middlemen, and there's some cash to be made even if your work is basically the equivalent to a throwaway pulp novel.
 
2013-10-15 07:52:26 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Omahawg: e-books are evil and don't pay the royalties to make it worth your time. writing always paid crap and now it pays even less.

Tell that to self published Kindle authors like Amanda Hocking and John Locke. 35% of a shiatload of $1 ebooks eventually adds up to a lot. Cut out the middlemen, and there's some cash to be made even if your work is basically the equivalent to a throwaway pulp novel.


I agree. And it's not that writing pays crap, it's that writing what no one wants to read, pays crap. Now it's alot easier for an author to get a toe hold.  Even if they want to go the publisher route, it's a lot easier to pitch with a lot of previous ebook sales under their belt. And it's a great time for the reader -- many long tail books. You may have to wade though some 99 cent - $3.99 crap, but there are a lot of gems. Look at the authentic reviews.
 
2013-10-15 07:57:19 PM  

PawisBetlog: goolump: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.

Actually I listened to their new album in my car on the way to work this morning using Rhapsody, so I'm getting a huge kick out of these replies...

Seriously, it's a good album, I liked it a lot.  I could see someone saying it's overproduced but you knwo what, I'm 44 and like my shiat nice and polished these days.  Sue me.


That's exactly why I didn't like it. I liked their music a little rough around the edges...it showed that people made it, not a soulless computer. Maybe I'm too young to like new music from old bands.
 
2013-10-15 08:35:33 PM  

Bandito King: Omahawg: e-books are evil and don't pay the royalties to make it worth your time. writing always paid crap and now it pays even less.

Step one: Get a new(ish) copy of Writer's Market.
Step two: Read how different publishers compensate.
Step three: Profit, if you're capable of it. Plenty of people still have more money than sense.

I think a lot of writers assume that since it took them two years to write their book, it should be worth two years of pay. Unfortunately, time spent on the task doesn't reflect quality. Meanwhile, writing for the dolts who publish niche magazines is the only reason I can afford medication.


depends on your genre. i've had a helluva lot more success doing it myself and pocketing the cash money as opposed to waiting around for a greasy $75 royalty payment every six months.
 
2013-10-15 10:20:57 PM  

kling_klang_bed: Oops, nevermind, I was thinking of this Rhapsody:

[media.bigshinyrobot.com image 850x850]


me too.  good call.
 
2013-10-15 10:32:02 PM  

Target Builder: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

They're still around? It always amazes me when I find out that groups that were big while I was in high school a long long time ago are still going. Who are their fans these days? People who never grew up from high school and have been following the same band for three decades? Or has the band grown up with their audience and now sings about sending their kids to college? Or is a group of 50 year old guys somehow still relevant to kids in high school discovering their music for the first time?


You don't listen to anything you did in high school?

I think you either have zero musical taste or failed completely at making a clear point.
 
2013-10-15 10:36:52 PM  

The Great EZE: Bandito King: B: Minstrels, and that's what these idiot "artists" are, minstrels get paid by performing in concert or finding someone with enough money to waste on supporting a pet artist. The idea that musicians should be making enough money to buy a small island every week is one that needs to die. If you make music because you enjoy it, fine. Don't expect to make money off of it, there are millions of people who work far harder and deserve that cash far more. If you charge hundreds of dollars per person for a performance, you should be ashamed of your greed.

Love when people go on rants about how much money others "deserve" to make. Tell us what you do for a living. Let the power of Fark determine your salary.


You are doing exactly the same thing if you support copywrite laws. They are an artificial addition to the market to increase profits for content creators/distributors.
 
2013-10-16 12:29:19 AM  

dywed88: Of course people that download music spend more money on music than people that don't, most of the people that don't download music probably weren't buying any in the first place.


Really concise assumptions that are proffered as justifications usually are a lot more accurate.  This one is two old ladies explaining how people with lawnmowers would probably have beautiful lawns if they ever used the lawnmower..
 
2013-10-16 06:57:02 AM  

El Brujo: kling_klang_bed: Oops, nevermind, I was thinking of this Rhapsody:

[media.bigshinyrobot.com image 850x850]

me too.  good call.


If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it that peckerneck music company that forced them to change their name to Rhapsody of Fire? Even though the band was there long beforehand.
 
2013-10-16 09:53:24 AM  

Kahabut: TheDirtyNacho: uber humper: goolump: uber humper: Langston: Better a small check than no check at all

Pearl Jam used to play that tune. Not anymore

http://www.ticketmaster.com/Pearl-Jam-tickets/artist/735836

Eh, that's okay, they haven't produced anything worth listening to for quite some time.

I was watching a YouTube video of a recent PJ  concert. I was a little embarrassed for them and their 30 to 40somthing y/o fans decked out in grunge. These are the 90's version of the Summer of Love hippies who never grew up.


Nah, they're just reliving their youth for a day.  Come Monday they'll put on some pants, get in the Camry and head to the office.

Nostalgia is a huge money maker, especially since their fans now make far more than they did 20 years ago and will shell out $150 (or more)  a ticket.

I checked, the PJ tickets are $70, for any seat in the house.

I went to Roger Waters a couple years back, that was $250 a ticket.

Somehow, I'm not really feeling the rage towards PJ.


my mom bought me a tix to the 11/15 pj concert in dallas as a birthday gift
i am 37, so it may seem that it's nostalgia being relived from 1991, when, as a young high school sophomore, i discovered grunge/"modern" rock. and in some ways it is. i truly love the kind of music pj makes, and "10" & "vs" are among the most iconic albums from the early 90s. however, i celebrate their entire catalogue! i will listen to "no code" for a few days...and i'll think "this is surely their 'masterpiece', a perfect album from beginning to end. but then, i'll listen to "yield" and think the same thing. this band stands out, along with 2 or 3 others from the era, as one of the "real" one

PawisBetlog: bunner: Target Builder: They're still around? It always amazes me when I find out that groups that were big while I was in high school a long long time ago are still going. Who are their fans these days?

Well, I think it has something to do with good music not being tied to whatever the kewl trendz0rs is, this week, by people who actually just like music.

In other words,

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You should only stop making music if you run out of things to say and only stop playing other people's music when t doesn't groove you anymore or you can't pick up your instrument.

Cause it's about the music, oddly.

tl;dr - your favorite band sucks.

Seriously though, this guy hit the nail on the head.  If Pearl Jam tours for the new album, I'll go see it.  And I'll hoist a microbrewed beer to all the music snobs that are too uppity to like good music because it's not "in" anymore.


ummm...you're not paying attention, are you? pj's tour has begun. they are in mass. tonight, and i'm seeing them on 11/15 in dallas...with local band MIDLAKE opening...a band i'm just learning about, but am already seriously looking forward to seeing

http://pearljam.com/tour

lot of anti-pj sentiment here, but to me and the vast majority of their fans (since they're selling out many dates of the tour already, and ed's solo tour was largely sold out, i'm assuming there are a LOT of fans still) they are far more than a relic from some trendy scene 20 years ago. they are one of the handful of bands from that era to remain not only active but incredibly successful all these years. and they have yet to put out a song i don't like...i don't count "mop handled momma" as a song...they must have been on some strong stuff when they made that track.

only bad problem is i left my sansa at my 2nd job sunday, and that's the device i use for rhapsody, so i was unable to get "lightning bolt" upon its release yesterday. i shall have the sansa back tomorrow, though, and then i'll download it.
 
2013-10-16 09:55:00 PM  

Omahawg: Bandito King: Omahawg: e-books are evil and don't pay the royalties to make it worth your time. writing always paid crap and now it pays even less.

Step one: Get a new(ish) copy of Writer's Market.
Step two: Read how different publishers compensate.
Step three: Profit, if you're capable of it. Plenty of people still have more money than sense.

I think a lot of writers assume that since it took them two years to write their book, it should be worth two years of pay. Unfortunately, time spent on the task doesn't reflect quality. Meanwhile, writing for the dolts who publish niche magazines is the only reason I can afford medication.

depends on your genre. i've had a helluva lot more success doing it myself and pocketing the cash money as opposed to waiting around for a greasy $75 royalty payment every six months.


I'm considering a format change. Suggestions?
 
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