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(Opposing Views)   Swiss scientists have peeked into the late PLO leader Yasser Arafat's underwear. Okay, we'll stop right there. But actually, what they found is pretty interesting   (opposingviews.com) divider line 58
    More: Scary, Yasser Arafat, Palestinian Liberation Organization, Switzerland, Palestinians, Arab-Israeli, Pravda  
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2013-10-15 03:17:15 PM
I want to not want to know. you know?
 
2013-10-15 03:24:28 PM
Reaction to the news of the new findings has been interestingly varied. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz emphasized that "inconclusive" nature of the findings. But the Russian news agency Pravda declared flatly that the study "confirmed" that Arafat's death was the result of polonium poisoning.

Shocking.
 
2013-10-15 03:28:14 PM
Why would the Russians want to kill Arafat?
 
2013-10-15 03:31:54 PM
I'm sure that this would be bad for someone if the world wasn't about to go tits up
 
2013-10-15 03:32:13 PM

Slaxl: Why would the Russians want to kill Arafat?


FTA:  "Though Arafat (pictured, in 1974) in his lifetime was the most recognizable public face of the Palestinian movement, there were numerous competing groups led by Arafat rivals among the Palestinians."

Could have been hooked up with his competitors.
 
2013-10-15 03:44:34 PM

Slaxl: Why would the Russians want to kill Arafat?


The Russians aren't the ONLY ones with polonium, though that is a very small club.
 
2013-10-15 04:30:26 PM
www.wired.com
 
2013-10-15 04:34:54 PM
Let me guess, they found peace?
 
2013-10-15 04:35:03 PM

Anayalator:


Skid marks, or landing strip?
 
2013-10-15 04:36:50 PM
I read that Arafat use to leave his laptop with hookers while he ran to the atm.
 
IP
2013-10-15 04:37:16 PM

EnderX: Let me guess, they found peace peen?


FTFY.
 
2013-10-15 04:37:43 PM

nekom: Slaxl: Why would the Russians want to kill Arafat?

The Russians aren't the ONLY ones with polonium, though that is a very small club.


Just the Russians and Amazon.com.
 
2013-10-15 04:38:41 PM
Russia loves Syria. I'd look into if the Assad family and Arafat had a falling out.

Seems to Obvious for Isreal to do, but they had motive.

We need Quincy.
 
2013-10-15 04:39:25 PM
The Russians do have form with Polonium.


\sips tea with a degree of hesitation...
 
2013-10-15 04:39:28 PM
was it poop?

/bet it was poop
 
2013-10-15 04:39:51 PM
www.moneyandshit.com
 
2013-10-15 04:40:37 PM
lab guy: "I'm seeing tiny particles of a credit card here"

Frank / Charlie: "that could be either one of us. keep looking."
 
2013-10-15 04:41:34 PM
How do you get that amazing job?
Digging around in some arab guy's skid-harness... nice.
I'm betting there's so much competition to get that gig that they just make everyone do unpaid internships and then finally offer them a crappy minimum wage zero-hours contract.
 
2013-10-15 04:41:34 PM
That Swiss research is full of holes.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-15 04:41:57 PM
Most likely Hamas did him in.
 
rpm
2013-10-15 04:42:40 PM
Half-life of Polonium-210 is 138 days. That means approximately .000006% polonium is remaining, that's pretty damn sensitive.

Given that the spy used as the poster child for polonium poisoning left radioactive trails all over town, this doesn't seem particularly reasonable.
 
2013-10-15 04:46:07 PM
After finishing a project last year I can tell you more about the last pair of underwear Martin Luther King ever wore than you would care to know.
 
2013-10-15 04:47:49 PM

rpm: Half-life of Polonium-210 is 138 days. That means approximately .000006% polonium is remaining, that's pretty damn sensitive.

Given that the spy used as the poster child for polonium poisoning left radioactive trails all over town, this doesn't seem particularly reasonable.


Yeah.  The last time I heard of this the levels were far too high.  A frame-up, not an assassination.
 
2013-10-15 04:48:43 PM

Diogenes: FTA: "Though Arafat (pictured, in 1974) in his lifetime was the most recognizable public face of the Palestinian movement, there were numerous competing groups led by Arafat rivals among the Palestinians."


Yeah, a lotta fans were totally pissed when he replaced Pete Best.

/but I thought he was great in Caveman
//zug-zug
 
2013-10-15 04:49:21 PM
I thought the going conspiracy theory was that he died of AIDS.  Oh, silly me.  That was someone else's propaganda.
 
2013-10-15 04:50:58 PM
He could always rock the sunglasses.
 
2013-10-15 04:51:18 PM

rpm: Half-life of Polonium-210 is 138 days. That means approximately .000006% polonium is remaining, that's pretty damn sensitive.

Given that the spy used as the poster child for polonium poisoning left radioactive trails all over town, this doesn't seem particularly reasonable.


I actually did the back calc on this a bit ago.

At 180 mBq/L, a half life of 138 days, and 2920 days since his assasination, 21 half lives would have passed, meaning there would have been 2^21 (~2,100,000) times more polonium in his system when he died. Which would mean there would ~17,000,000 Bq of Po-210 in his system (assuming 40 L of blood in the human body). Which translates to about 0.1 micrograms of Polonium. The LD50 for Polonium is about 1 microgram, so this is about a factor of 10 low for a would be assassain.

Additionally, radon plate out leaves behind Pol-210, which would adhere to surfaces, especially with static build up. If he was weary something that generates a lot of static, or that particles adhere to, or was a smoker (did Arafat smoke?), Po-210 daughters could easily create those kind of readings on clothing.

So he was either very unlucky to have died from such a "small" dose of Polonium from an inept assasin, or those who did the investigation don't know a thing about radon.

I highly doubt he was killed by polonium. If you saw how Litvinenko died it should be pretty clear that radiation poisoning is fairly obvious. A horrible way to die.
 
2013-10-15 04:59:56 PM
Yasser Arafat spent much of his life in a poor, war torn, region and died aged 75. Assassinating him seems somewhat superfluous, even if you ignore that it wasn't particularly politically expedient for anyone at the time.
 
2013-10-15 05:00:21 PM

error 303: rpm: Half-life of Polonium-210 is 138 days. That means approximately .000006% polonium is remaining, that's pretty damn sensitive.

Given that the spy used as the poster child for polonium poisoning left radioactive trails all over town, this doesn't seem particularly reasonable.

I actually did the back calc on this a bit ago.

At 180 mBq/L, a half life of 138 days, and 2920 days since his assasination, 21 half lives would have passed, meaning there would have been 2^21 (~2,100,000) times more polonium in his system when he died. Which would mean there would ~17,000,000 Bq of Po-210 in his system (assuming 40 L of blood in the human body). Which translates to about 0.1 micrograms of Polonium. The LD50 for Polonium is about 1 microgram, so this is about a factor of 10 low for a would be assassain.

Additionally, radon plate out leaves behind Pol-210, which would adhere to surfaces, especially with static build up. If he was weary something that generates a lot of static, or that particles adhere to, or was a smoker (did Arafat smoke?), Po-210 daughters could easily create those kind of readings on clothing.

So he was either very unlucky to have died from such a "small" dose of Polonium from an inept assasin, or those who did the investigation don't know a thing about radon.

I highly doubt he was killed by polonium. If you saw how Litvinenko died it should be pretty clear that radiation poisoning is fairly obvious. A horrible way to die.


Actually, apparently I don't know much about radon either, as the Pb-210 half life would limit the amount of Po-210 generated. I'd actually need to sit down and think about whether or not that would be reasonable.
 
2013-10-15 05:09:54 PM
Arafat was taken ill suddenly on October 12, 2004, with nausea and stomach pain. Later, his liver and kidneys failed and he died at age 75

www.slate.com
 
2013-10-15 05:12:24 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: Russia loves Syria. I'd look into if the Assad family and Arafat had a falling out.

Seems to Obvious for Isreal to do, but they had motive.

We need Quincy.


Quincy, kiss my ass!
 
2013-10-15 05:13:02 PM
s1.ibtimes.com
 
2013-10-15 05:18:12 PM
I'd like to know who has been in possession of these articles after his death. Too many folks interested in planting evidence.
 
2013-10-15 05:26:42 PM
So Arafat had a remarkable anus.
 
2013-10-15 05:32:17 PM
now try it with 5 liters of blood that humans have.
 
2013-10-15 05:32:20 PM

Slaxl: Why would the Russians want to kill Arafat?


Maybe the Israelis contracted out them?
 
2013-10-15 05:34:04 PM
The chain of custody on the evidence is a little bit questionable, don't you think?  Besides, in his old age he was much more of a moderate than in his youth.  He was the 'reasonable' one that the Israelis were talking to.  (If you can call anyone on any side of this reasonable.
 
2013-10-15 05:38:25 PM
That's it - time to dig up FDR.

/no autopsy done
//the lady painting his portrait smuggled the poison in her paintbox
 
2013-10-15 05:45:00 PM
Let me guess. Every time Putin's name comes up, Polonium will still be mentioned while this will go down the memory hole where Israel is concerned even then the evidence of Putin ordering the poison death of good old what's name is about as strong as this case.
 
2013-10-15 05:48:27 PM

nekom: Slaxl: Why would the Russians want to kill Arafat?

The Russians aren't the ONLY ones with polonium, though that is a very small club.


True but aside from them and the Bulgarians, no one else uses it. Israel has never been recorded as using polonium. Besides, Israel didn't want Arafat gone, he was easier to deal with than the other leaders. Loo what happened after he died? Hamas control 1/3 of the Palestinian population, the West Bank is less corrupt (Arafat was one of the most corrupt an bribery people in the world, he looted hundreds of millions in international aid). Him being gone was bad for Israel and Israel knew that long before he was dead. So it doesn't make sense. Besides Arafats personal doctor stated that he died of AIDS (back in 2007 to Amman News Agency  and Al Jezeera), but claimed he was poised too and that weakened him to the point that his AIDS killed him. In fact a 1987 book called Red Horizons written by a high ranking communist spy who defected that Arafat was know to have sex with male prostitutes when visiting europe as well was known in the communist intel circles of having a harem on teenage boys and having gay orgies. Considering the high rate of AIDS in the underground gay community back in the 70's and 80's, as well as black market prostitutes, it is highly likely he had AIDS.

ShonenBat: I'd like to know who has been in possession of these articles after his death. Too many folks interested in planting evidence.


Funny you should say that, some scientists looking at the half-life decay and other factors beleive the Polonium was added later a while post mortem. Vladimir Uiba, the head of Russia's Federal Medical-Biological Agency, told Interfax stating "He could not have died of polonium poisoning". Only after public outcry against the statement, they backed off and then tried to deny ever making that statement. Other experts looking at the data are skeptical, pointing out that the levels of polonium found were higher than what would have been expected so many years after a poisoning. The Swiss also say there is no evidence he was poisoned. While Arafats widow, Suha blames Israel, back in 2011 Fatah (Arafats political party) and Arafat's successor Mahmoud Abbas accused Muhammad Dahlan, the former commander of Fatah's security forces of poisoning Arafat. He has been under house arrest for a while now.
 
2013-10-15 05:48:48 PM

the lord god: Slaxl: Why would the Russians want to kill Arafat?

Maybe the Israelis contracted out them?


Or maybe his heirs. The guy was a billionaire.
 
2013-10-15 05:50:52 PM

mcreadyblue: Most likely Hamas did him in.



Because we know it is unlikely the Israelis would assassinate anyone.

static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-10-15 05:53:54 PM

Vectron: mcreadyblue: Most likely Hamas did him in.


Because we know it is unlikely the Israelis would assassinate anyone.

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Or the Americans http://rt.com/usa/nsa-assassination-leaks-greenwald-514/
 
2013-10-15 06:08:31 PM
She provided many of Arafat's belongings to Swiss researchers who now believe that their findings "support the possibility" that Arafat, who was either loved as a champion of downtrodden Palestinians or decried as a bloodthirsty terrorist depending on where one stood on the Arab-Israeli conflict, was poisoned.

We need to get more into that sentence!  Somebody put on a pot of coffee and order take out cause it's going to be a long night folks.  But none of us are leaving until we have a sentence that is bulging at the seams with info!  So roll up your selves and break out the hyperdermics!
 
2013-10-15 06:27:33 PM

Loren: rpm: Half-life of Polonium-210 is 138 days. That means approximately .000006% polonium is remaining, that's pretty damn sensitive.

Given that the spy used as the poster child for polonium poisoning left radioactive trails all over town, this doesn't seem particularly reasonable.

Yeah.  The last time I heard of this the levels were far too high.  A frame-up, not an assassination.


Welcome to Pallywood.
 
das
2013-10-15 06:51:01 PM
As long as the Rat Bastard is dead, who cares?????
 
2013-10-15 07:04:41 PM
Lemme guess...burlap thong?
 
2013-10-15 07:24:05 PM

FarkinNortherner: Yasser Arafat spent much of his life in a poor, war torn, region and died aged 75. Assassinating him seems somewhat superfluous, even if you ignore that it wasn't particularly politically expedient for anyone at the time.


Well, not politically expedient for anyone but Hamas or Israel.

See, Hamas wanted him dead because with him gone it would be easier to win elections.

And Israel wanted him dead, because with him gone it would be easier for Hamas to win elections.
 
2013-10-15 07:43:49 PM
Anyone remember who had a policy of "Regime Change?"
 
2013-10-15 10:33:15 PM
Arafat's been dead that long?
 
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