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(Mother Jones)   In appreciation of Ada Lovelace Day, the Victorian-era mathematical genius, here are eight inventions by women that dudes got credit for   (motherjones.com) divider line 20
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2013-10-15 08:24:43 PM  
3 votes:

farkeruk: Reading the Wikipedia section on Ada Lovelace, there seems to be some dispute about her contribution of "writing the first program" and that Babbage had already done it, but that what Ada Lovelace did was to make a more complex program.

Personally, I'd rather see Grace Murray Hopper acknowledged, the woman who created the language that COBOL was based on. I know people hate on COBOL today, but it was picked up commercially for many good reasons and helped to see computers adopted widely by business.


The fark? How the fark could they miss Grace Hopper?? *goes to RTFA*

Ahhh. I see. It's inventions by women that were stolen by the evil mens. Or something. It's why I don't see Marie Curie there... Hold up. She SHOULD be there. Cripes. Whatever.

Aaaanyhow, I'm all for female empowerment and suchlike, but these pieces bug me. I'd rather read about what a stone cold workaholic Marie Curie was, or how utterly awesome Grace Hopper was than to hear about some woman who got jerked around like any number of men did, but now it's special because she's a girl.
2013-10-16 12:49:18 AM  
2 votes:

Aidan: farkeruk: Reading the Wikipedia section on Ada Lovelace, there seems to be some dispute about her contribution of "writing the first program" and that Babbage had already done it, but that what Ada Lovelace did was to make a more complex program.

Personally, I'd rather see Grace Murray Hopper acknowledged, the woman who created the language that COBOL was based on. I know people hate on COBOL today, but it was picked up commercially for many good reasons and helped to see computers adopted widely by business.

The fark? How the fark could they miss Grace Hopper?? *goes to RTFA*

Ahhh. I see. It's inventions by women that were stolen by the evil mens. Or something. It's why I don't see Marie Curie there... Hold up. She SHOULD be there. Cripes. Whatever.

Aaaanyhow, I'm all for female empowerment and suchlike, but these pieces bug me. I'd rather read about what a stone cold workaholic Marie Curie was, or how utterly awesome Grace Hopper was than to hear about some woman who got jerked around like any number of men did, but now it's special because she's a girl.


Yeah, this was a little feminazi manhating for me, and I'm a card-carrying feminist. It's along the "you're not helping" theme. If you want to celebrate women, then celebrate women, no need to wail on men at the same time.
2013-10-15 08:31:21 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA:
Candace Pert, opioid receptor: When Pert, then a graduate student at Johns Hopkins, protested that her professor, Dr. Solomon Snyder, had received an award for her discovery of the receptor allows opiates to lock into the brain, Snyder's response was curt: "That's how the game is played." Pert protested in a formal letter to the award committee ("As a graduate student who played a key role in initiating the research and following it up") and then, having thoroughly revolutionized neuroscience, got back to work. She was working toward a more effective treatment of Alzheimer's when she died in September.

What TFA pretends is that awards stem from singular contributions, when they don't. Almost all big scientific awards are essentially lifetime achievement awards, which is why nobody ever wins them twice (Sanger excepted). Sure, Candace did one big thing, but is was Sol's lab that it, along with about a billion other things, happened in. When they give the award they "settle" on a rationale to give the award. It is all pretense, and Sol was quite right to just point out that that is how the game is played.

When I was a graduate student, I made some molecules that are now involved in clinical trials, etc. Nobody had ever thought to make these, and I was the only one to characterize them. If something big comes from it, who gets the credit? My P.I.
2013-10-15 08:00:12 PM  
2 votes:

farkeruk: Reading the Wikipedia section on Ada Lovelace, there seems to be some dispute about her contribution of "writing the first program" and that Babbage had already done it, but that what Ada Lovelace did was to make a more complex program.

Personally, I'd rather see Grace Murray Hopper acknowledged, the woman who created the language that COBOL was based on. I know people hate on COBOL today, but it was picked up commercially for many good reasons and helped to see computers adopted widely by business.


It's not COBOL itself that was the noteworthy bit; she invented the compiler as we know it. COBOL was just an unfortunate early use of the concept.
2013-10-15 07:31:56 PM  
2 votes:
Rosalind Franklin, discovery of the DNA double helix

Nope.

Not even a little bit.

Science does not work that way, being the lab tech that performs a verification measurement for someone else does not make you the person that "discovered" it, especially since, the way diffractometry of this type works, she wouldn't have been able to work out fark-all without the model on hand in this case.

Would her name be on the paper if it were published today?  Absolutely, third+ author.  But that's only because there's been a really big push since the '80's or so to make sure everyone involved even tangentally gets credit on projects, since back in the day it wasn't unusual for a paper to just be listed as the work of the corresponding author (usually the PI's  adviser) with the person doing the actual work not on there at all.  She was just one of about half a dozen people that'd be credited today that typically wouldn't at the time.

Would she be eligible for the Nobel if the paper was published today?  Nope.  Third authors don't generally get a slice of that one.

There apparently  were some interpersonal issues that had Crick, especially, specifically keeping her out of the references, he actually wrote about them in his autobiography.  But it was the usual academic politics, not anything terribly special, and it'd be nice if we stopped pretending this was some sort of monstrous injustice because she was a woman... that's bullshiat, and everyone familiar with the actual field knows it's bullshiat.

//Bit of a pet peeve on this one.
2013-10-15 07:18:03 PM  
2 votes:
Reading the Wikipedia section on Ada Lovelace, there seems to be some dispute about her contribution of "writing the first program" and that Babbage had already done it, but that what Ada Lovelace did was to make a more complex program.

Personally, I'd rather see Grace Murray Hopper acknowledged, the woman who created the language that COBOL was based on. I know people hate on COBOL today, but it was picked up commercially for many good reasons and helped to see computers adopted widely by business.
2013-10-15 04:38:14 PM  
2 votes:
Regarding Rosalind Franklin, here is an account that suggests the story we here of Rosalind Franklin is not nearly as simple or black and white as we are told:

http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2010/scientists-anonymous/
2013-10-15 11:16:06 PM  
1 votes:

RoyBatty: What software engineer does not know the name of Ada Lovelace?
How many in the general public know the name Charles Babbage, or Alan Turing?

I'm struggling to understand any sense in which Ada Lovelace has been "erased".

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2013-10-15 10:06:30 PM  
1 votes:

cretinbob: [delia-derbyshire.net image 528x640]



That was an interesting GIS, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPJ6GMXM3E
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delia_Derbyshire
2013-10-15 09:16:26 PM  
1 votes:
delia-derbyshire.net
2013-10-15 08:17:26 PM  
1 votes:
Wow, a whole eight!
2013-10-15 08:02:49 PM  
1 votes:
As someone who is re-learning calculus and statistics after countless decades of mental cobwebs forming in his brain, can I just say that I hate hate hate mathematical geniuses.

hate hate hate
2013-10-15 08:01:01 PM  
1 votes:
blogs.seacoastonline.com

Recommended reading...
2013-10-15 07:47:23 PM  
1 votes:

skinink: I always liked that the actress Hedy Lamarr was good at acting, very pretty, and held a bunch of patents including frequency hopping. And that she was the cover model for CorelDraw.


I always liked how she did nude scenes and faked an orgasm on film as early as 1933, myself. But yeah, the torpedo stuff was cool, also.

SFW, merely suggestive: http://vimeo.com/62124101
2013-10-15 07:10:37 PM  
1 votes:
I always liked that the actress Hedy Lamarr was good at acting, very pretty, and held a bunch of patents including frequency hopping. And that she was the cover model for CorelDraw.
2013-10-15 06:08:55 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sorry, but "hypertext fiction" is not an invention.
2013-10-15 06:07:08 PM  
1 votes:
'Martha Coston, signal flares: Coston was officially listed as "administratix" on the 1961 patent that revolutionized communication between US Navy vessels.'

1961 sounds kinda late for a signal flare patent.

Hold on, Wikipedia says on April 5, 1859, she was granted U.S. Patent number 23,536 for a pyrotechnic night signal and code system.
2013-10-15 05:59:54 PM  
1 votes:
"Margaret Knight, inventor of the paper bag machine"

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2013-10-15 05:58:29 PM  
1 votes:
I'm happy to say I am distantly related to the Countess.
2013-10-15 04:27:54 PM  
1 votes:
What software engineer does not know the name of Ada Lovelace?
How many in the general public know the name Charles Babbage, or Alan Turing?

I'm struggling to understand any sense in which Ada Lovelace has been "erased".

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