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2013-10-15 12:53:06 PM
Dammit subby!

// (Bad name)
 
2013-10-15 04:46:52 PM
Well, at least thanks to a subby in the politics thread, I'll be singing "Brave Sir Robin" instead of this all day.
 
2013-10-15 04:47:21 PM
I'm sentencing subby to a dock job, where the union shall strike and he will be down on his luck. That's tough. So tough.
 
2013-10-15 04:47:57 PM
Bad name....
 
2013-10-15 04:48:55 PM
That's why I sleep with a gun, so I can return fire.
 
2013-10-15 04:49:35 PM
Now he's Wanted. Wanted....Dead or Alive.
 
2013-10-15 04:50:43 PM

Combustion: I'm sentencing subby to a dock job, where the union shall strike and he will be down on his luck. That's tough. So tough.


He'll give it a shot!
 
2013-10-15 04:50:46 PM
Don't criticize what I do. It's my life...
 
2013-10-15 04:52:59 PM
I see we're halfway there.
 
2013-10-15 04:53:05 PM
Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.
 
2013-10-15 04:53:18 PM
Is the neighbor wanted dead or alive?
 
2013-10-15 04:53:34 PM
That metre in this headline is so far off it's like bad medicine.  Subby better runaway.
 
2013-10-15 04:55:00 PM
Accidentally? The whole thing.

Negligence!
 
2013-10-15 04:55:14 PM
A different line every night guaranteed to blow your mind
 
2013-10-15 04:56:29 PM
This is a slippery slope.  It's even more slippery when wet.
 
2013-10-15 04:56:41 PM
Back when I lived in an apartment, our downstairs neighbor once got drunk, put some hamburger helper on the stove, and then passed out on his sofa.  We woke up to a burning smell and a firetruck outside our window at 3:00 AM.  Our apartment smelled like burnt hamburger helper for a week.  I think getting shot might have been preferable.
 
2013-10-15 04:57:02 PM
Was the neighbor's name Janie?

/got nothin
 
2013-10-15 04:59:36 PM
Yep, that sounds like Hermitage.
 
2013-10-15 04:59:36 PM
This headline sucks. The 80's are out, man. The 90's are the new "classic". Quote some Hootie or Third Eye Blind. That's classic goodness.
 
2013-10-15 04:59:49 PM
Heeey subby, your headline's lame! You give FARK, a worse name!
 
2013-10-15 05:01:38 PM

The Envoy: This is a slippery slope.  It's even more slippery when wet.



*Applause*

I was going to go the immature route and make a slippery when wet reference involving Subby's mom.....I like yours better.
 
2013-10-15 05:02:04 PM
Attention morons...always buy snap caps w your new gun.
THEN while you're "playing around" with your new gun even if you do manage to break 2 or more of the golden firearm safety rules you still won't hurt anyone.
 
2013-10-15 05:02:15 PM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Back when I lived in an apartment, our downstairs neighbor once got drunk, put some hamburger helper on the stove, and then passed out on his sofa.  We woke up to a burning smell and a firetruck outside our window at 3:00 AM.  Our apartment smelled like burnt hamburger helper for a week.  I think getting shot might have been preferable.


I'd go with the burnt hamburger smell myself.
 
2013-10-15 05:02:19 PM
Shot through the heart! Whese words don't match the syllables being sung in this line of the song! You give love, a bad name.

/Does a kickin air guitar solo with subby.
 
2013-10-15 05:02:55 PM
Of course, giving US gun owners a bad name is really just redundant.
 
2013-10-15 05:03:48 PM

ExpressPork: Attention morons...always buy snap caps w your new gun.
THEN while you're "playing around" with your new gun even if you do manage to break 2 or more of the golden firearm safety rules you still won't hurt anyone.


They could still deafen themselves.

/Tinitus is no way to go through BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEE EE
 
2013-10-15 05:05:06 PM

vodka: This headline sucks. The 80's are out, man. The 90's are the new "classic". Quote some Hootie or Third Eye Blind. That's classic goodness.


Then how about something from the 40's.
http://youtu.be/SGJMtnRMpjM
 
2013-10-15 05:05:26 PM
Bad: Coworker of mine died in 2002 from a douche who shot thru the floor of his apt. while he was showing off his pistol to his kids. Hit her in the head and she died where she sat... she was a single mom of a developmentally disabled son, he came out of the shower and found her that way.
Fark: more of her coworkers showed up at her funeral than family.

/Sorry, I just don't have the heart to joke about this one. You guys give it the Full Monty for me.
//RIP my friend
.

i911.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 05:06:29 PM
 
2013-10-15 05:06:32 PM
" accidentally discharged "

No.


Extreme stupidity and criminal negligence?  Yes.
 
2013-10-15 05:09:14 PM
I read that as lyrics to the COPS theme.
 
2013-10-15 05:09:50 PM
Naval base shooter guy also "accidentally" shot into a neighboring apartment a year before he went completely nuts.
 
2013-10-15 05:11:37 PM
Shootin through the floor of 'partment, bang bang, he is the warrior
 
2013-10-15 05:11:47 PM
I have many firearms and this is why you don't "play" with them.  Idiot.
 
2013-10-15 05:12:49 PM
No gun charges.

Legal, responsible.
 
2013-10-15 05:12:56 PM

vodka: Quote some Hootie or Third Eye Blind. That's classic goodness.


Unrelated to the thread, but, I'll admit; for otherwise mostly being cheesy pop/rock music, Third Eye Blind's debut album has always been something of a guilty pleasure for me.

In other words, I like Third Eye Blind more than "guy who shoots sleeping neighbor through a wall".
 
2013-10-15 05:14:48 PM

MadameX: Bad: Coworker of mine died in 2002 from a douche who shot thru the floor of his apt. while he was showing off his pistol to his kids. Hit her in the head and she died where she sat... she was a single mom of a developmentally disabled son, he came out of the shower and found her that way.
Fark: more of her coworkers showed up at her funeral than family.

/Sorry, I just don't have the heart to joke about this one. You guys give it the Full Monty for me.
//RIP my friend.

[i911.photobucket.com image 500x329]


What happened to her son?

/No farking around
 
2013-10-15 05:14:56 PM

jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.


Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.
 
2013-10-15 05:15:39 PM

MadameX: Bad: Coworker of mine died in 2002 from a douche who shot thru the floor of his apt. while he was showing off his pistol to his kids. Hit her in the head and she died where she sat... she was a single mom of a developmentally disabled son, he came out of the shower and found her that way.
Fark: more of her coworkers showed up at her funeral than family.

/Sorry, I just don't have the heart to joke about this one. You guys give it the Full Monty for me.
//RIP my friend.

[i911.photobucket.com image 500x329]


ugh... What a way to go.  Just sitting there minding your own business feeling safe at home and then you're dead.   Sad story :(
 
2013-10-15 05:17:07 PM

MadameX: Bad: Coworker of mine died in 2002 from a douche who shot thru the floor of his apt. while he was showing off his pistol to his kids. Hit her in the head and she died where she sat... she was a single mom of a developmentally disabled son, he came out of the shower and found her that way.
Fark: more of her coworkers showed up at her funeral than family.

/Sorry, I just don't have the heart to joke about this one. You guys give it the Full Monty for me.
//RIP my friend.

[i911.photobucket.com image 500x329]


You gave me a sad :-(

But
 
2013-10-15 05:17:31 PM

EnderX: Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.


Pretty weird if you ask me.
 
2013-10-15 05:20:04 PM

rkiller1: I read that as lyrics to the COPS theme.


Ooh, I misunderstood that for a moment and was thinking of the crazed barkings of Sheriff John Bunnell.
Nice, now I'm going to read all the headlines on Fark in the voice of Sheriff John Bunnell.
 
2013-10-15 05:20:08 PM

MadameX: Bad: Coworker of mine died in 2002 from a douche who shot thru the floor of his apt. while he was showing off his pistol to his kids. Hit her in the head and she died where she sat... she was a single mom of a developmentally disabled son, he came out of the shower and found her that way.
Fark: more of her coworkers showed up at her funeral than family.

/Sorry, I just don't have the heart to joke about this one. You guys give it the Full Monty for me.
//RIP my friend.

[i911.photobucket.com image 500x329]


Eesh.  Sorry about your friend.  Hopefully the shooter got jail time, lost his gun license, and then lost every single dime in the subsequent civil lawsuit.

/if that's not true, I think I'd prefer that you lie to me about it...
 
2013-10-15 05:24:48 PM

EnderX: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.


Clearly this is their fault.
 
2013-10-15 05:25:47 PM
Bravo Submitter, you magnificent bastard.
 
2013-10-15 05:27:26 PM
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2013-10-15 05:30:22 PM
CTRL-F.. "went off"

Yep.
 
2013-10-15 05:32:12 PM
Farkers, if you have an urge to play with a gun, play with yourself instead.
 
2013-10-15 05:32:31 PM

RectalFury: s3.amazonaws.com


"Fitting" room
 
2013-10-15 05:33:50 PM

oryx: Farkers, if you have an urge to play with a gun, play with yourself instead.


fatrussellbrandgunfetishist.jpg
 
2013-10-15 05:34:04 PM

MadameX: Bad: Coworker of mine died in 2002 from a douche who shot thru the floor of his apt. while he was showing off his pistol to his kids. Hit her in the head and she died where she sat... she was a single mom of a developmentally disabled son, he came out of the shower and found her that way.
Fark: more of her coworkers showed up at her funeral than family.

/Sorry, I just don't have the heart to joke about this one. You guys give it the Full Monty for me.
//RIP my friend.

[i911.photobucket.com image 500x329]


blog.gadgethelpline.com
 
2013-10-15 05:39:12 PM

EnderX: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.


Here we see those conservative "values" we hear so much about. You're OK with 10 or 12 people getting shot every hour, but you are offended that someone mentions it.
 
2013-10-15 05:44:17 PM
Hey, Dave, where you going with that gun in your hand?
 
2013-10-15 05:44:20 PM

jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.


Are you sure these figures are correct?  I used to teach hyperbole in school, and this sounds an awful lot like it.
 
2013-10-15 05:45:13 PM

PunGent: Eesh.  Sorry about your friend.  Hopefully the shooter got jail time, lost his gun license, and then lost every single dime in the subsequent civil lawsuit.

/if that's not true, I think I'd prefer that you lie to me about it...


What is this "gun license" you speak of? Can't even be sure he could legally own a gun before he negligently killed his neighbor.

Lets get back to the song lyrics. I am having a hard time singing each reply when they don't match a song. Liivvvin on a prayer!
 
2013-10-15 05:47:52 PM
I wonder if the shooter has ever known love and what it's like to sing songs in the rain.
 
2013-10-15 05:48:32 PM
Obviously, beds and cribs should be enclosed in a titanium/kevlar armored "bathtub", like the A-10 Warthog, as suggested by he NRA.
 
2013-10-15 05:49:00 PM

Dragonflew: CTRL-F.. "went off"


It's always an amazing coincidence when guns "go off" that a responsible gun owner almost always is sitting there with a big grin on his face looking like he doesn't know how it happened.   With all these magical guns that "go off" spontaneously, it's a wonder they don't just go off while sitting on counter, or inside the nightstand drawer.

/bang, bang, shoot, shoot.
 
2013-10-15 05:51:23 PM
i141.photobucket.com

Sleep well, upstair appt dwellers
 
2013-10-15 05:52:25 PM

highendmighty: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Are you sure these figures are correct?  I used to teach hyperbole in school, and this sounds an awful lot like it.


If you honestly wanted to know, you would look it up. Now what have we learned about your honesty, today?

Anyone? Class?
 
2013-10-15 05:58:16 PM

jaytkay: highendmighty: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Are you sure these figures are correct?  I used to teach hyperbole in school, and this sounds an awful lot like it.

If you honestly wanted to know, you would look it up. Now what have we learned about your honesty, today?

Anyone? Class?


We learned that he was being honest implying that your post was full of hyperbole.
 
2013-10-15 05:58:30 PM

jaytkay: highendmighty: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Are you sure these figures are correct?  I used to teach hyperbole in school, and this sounds an awful lot like it.

If you honestly wanted to know, you would look it up. Now what have we learned about your honesty, today?

Anyone? Class?


OK.  I just looked it up.
I could find no mention of 200-300 reckless negligent discharges per day on the ENTIRE internet (and I used both Google and Bing.)  Usually, I am willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt if I'd consider what they said "reasonable", but I will not take your statement as an ad ignorantium argument - meaning I can, and certainly do, agree that something can be true even if immediate proof is not presented to me.  Your statement is so absurd, however, that you must present me with the facts this time.
 
2013-10-15 06:05:48 PM

MadameX: Bad: Coworker of mine died in 2002 from a douche who shot thru the floor of his apt. while he was showing off his pistol to his kids. Hit her in the head and she died where she sat... she was a single mom of a developmentally disabled son, he came out of the shower and found her that way.
Fark: more of her coworkers showed up at her funeral than family.

/Sorry, I just don't have the heart to joke about this one. You guys give it the Full Monty for me.
//RIP my friend.


Jesus. What happened to the asshole who killed her?
 
2013-10-15 06:08:43 PM

highendmighty: I could find no mention of 200-300 reckless negligent discharges per day on the ENTIRE internet (and I used both Google and Bing.) Usually, I am willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt if I'd consider what they said "reasonable", but I will not take your statement as an ad ignorantium argument - meaning I can, and certainly do, agree that something can be true even if immediate proof is not presented to me. Your statement is so absurd, however, that you must present me with the facts this time.


The CDC lists 14,675 non fatal unintentional firearm injuries for 2011 and 606 fatal for 2010 (can't find 2011).  It doesn't specify whether those are unintentional injuries of the "unintentional discharge" or "didn't know what was downrange" variety, though.  That's a bit less than 50/day but of course it only counts the ones that hit somebody.  200-300 including dangerous misses might be high but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
 
2013-10-15 06:09:52 PM
To be fair, it's difficult to work 'responsible gun owner' into a rhyme.
 
2013-10-15 06:12:27 PM
Update: The victim has admitted that immediately prior to waking up with a gunshot wound, she'd been dreaming about being in a blaze of glory.
 
2013-10-15 06:17:20 PM

highendmighty: I could find no mention of 200-300 reckless negligent discharges per day on the ENTIRE internet


Well, if you add enough qualifications to the questions of course you can get the number down where you want it.

How many people are shot each year in the US?
 
2013-10-15 06:20:25 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Accidentally? The whole thing.

Negligence!


I think they mean former gun owner.  Accidental or negligent firing of a weapon inside a house is a felony.  Felons can't own guns.  Problem solved.
 
2013-10-15 06:20:30 PM

gaslight: To be fair, it's difficult to work 'responsible gun owner' into a rhyme.


Responsible gun owner
nursed a gun boner
He shot through the floor, her shoulder and more
and it turns out that he's a stoner.

/Burma shave
 
2013-10-15 06:21:36 PM
GET THE HELL OUT OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS AS FAST AS YOU CAN.

All apartment buildings could be gassed and it would do humanity a great favor.
 
2013-10-15 06:24:28 PM
FTA: He told investigators he was "playing around" with the gun when it suddenly went off.

I'd bet money he was posing in the mirror with it.
 
2013-10-15 06:26:10 PM

J. Frank Parnell: FTA: He told investigators he was "playing around" with the gun when it suddenly went off.

I'd bet money he was posing in the mirror with it.


The money he was probably holding in his other hand?
 
2013-10-15 06:27:32 PM

biyaaatci: That metre in this headline is so far off it's like bad medicine.  Subby better runaway.


THIS!

Should have been:

Shot through the floor
Neighbor's to blame
You give Guns
A bad name

/Was that really so hard, Subby?
//All the funny, none of the pain...
 
2013-10-15 06:29:14 PM

jaytkay: highendmighty: I could find no mention of 200-300 reckless negligent discharges per day on the ENTIRE internet

Well, if you add enough qualifications to the questions of course you can get the number down where you want it.

How many people are shot each year in the US?


My only qualification is the relevance to the story of tfa - that is all.  You equated the circumstance of the article, as far as I can tell, to every incident of a discharged weapon, be it from suicide, homicide, accidental discharge, practice at a firing range? etc. <-- the last one was snark, sorry.
This story was about one person, who recklessly (or accidentally) discharged his firearm, injuring someone; you claimed it happens 200-300 times per day.  I was just saying, I thought that's an exaggeration.
 
2013-10-15 06:29:28 PM

noitsnot: GET THE HELL OUT OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS AS FAST AS YOU CAN.

All apartment buildings could be gassed and it would do humanity a great favor.


Also, all trailer parks, suburbs, gated communities...
 
2013-10-15 06:39:50 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Responsible gun owners are about as common as good Christians, good drivers and knowledgeable computer owners.


You are a pretty bad troll.  Consistent but poor at the craft.
 
2013-10-15 06:44:43 PM

Do the needful: PunGent: Eesh.  Sorry about your friend.  Hopefully the shooter got jail time, lost his gun license, and then lost every single dime in the subsequent civil lawsuit.

/if that's not true, I think I'd prefer that you lie to me about it...

What is this "gun license" you speak of? Can't even be sure he could legally own a gun before he negligently killed his neighbor.

Lets get back to the song lyrics. I am having a hard time singing each reply when they don't match a song. Liivvvin on a prayer!


Sorry.

In my defense, I was born pretty much without any rhythm.

Can't jump much, either...why, yes, I AM white...how did you know?
 
2013-10-15 07:02:03 PM

highendmighty: jaytkay: highendmighty: I could find no mention of 200-300 reckless negligent discharges per day on the ENTIRE internet

Well, if you add enough qualifications to the questions of course you can get the number down where you want it.

How many people are shot each year in the US?

My only qualification is the relevance to the story of tfa - that is all.  You equated the circumstance of the article, as far as I can tell, to every incident of a discharged weapon, be it from suicide, homicide, accidental discharge, practice at a firing range? etc. <-- the last one was snark, sorry.
This story was about one person, who recklessly (or accidentally) discharged his firearm, injuring someone; you claimed it happens 200-300 times per day.  I was just saying, I thought that's an exaggeration.


Getting the real numbers would require both effort and honesty. Why bother when you can simply extract a couple from your rectum? In addition you can use the 'Get Smart' gambit?

/ Would you believe 150?
 
2013-10-15 07:15:34 PM

EnderX: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.


Your argument is not supported by evidence: why, for example, are news stories of firearm owners who behave responsibly and cause no damage not more common than are reports of such incidents?
 
2013-10-15 07:45:05 PM
Oh my darlin'
Shoot three times through the ceiling if you want me...
 
2013-10-15 08:08:50 PM

kombat_unit: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Responsible gun owners are about as common as good Christians, good drivers and knowledgeable computer owners.

You are a pretty bad troll.  Consistent but poor at the craft.


Ever seen a headline about an "accidental discharge" hitting a dog, a TV, a refrigerator or nothing at all?
Probably never happens, right?
 
2013-10-15 09:18:24 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kombat_unit: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Responsible gun owners are about as common as good Christians, good drivers and knowledgeable computer owners.

You are a pretty bad troll.  Consistent but poor at the craft.

Ever seen a headline about an "accidental discharge" hitting a dog, a TV, a refrigerator or nothing at all?
Probably never happens, right?


I have never observed a headline relating to a firearm owner who did not behave recklessly and thus caused no harm at all. Therefore, firearm owners are never responsible.
 
2013-10-15 09:36:48 PM

belhade: Oh my darlin'
Shoot three times through the ceiling if you want me...


That got you the funny button.
 
2013-10-15 09:54:07 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: News 2 spoke with the victim's husband, Vincent Goutremont, who was home at the time of the accident along with their two children, a six-year-old and one-year-old.

He reported he woke to his wife screaming. She was sleeping just six feet from the baby's crib where the child was also sleeping.

Responsible gun owners are about as common as good Christians, good drivers and knowledgeable computer owners.


There are approximately 300 million guns in the U.S. if one of these occurred every single day all year it would mean that 99.999873% of all guns are held by responsible owners.
 
2013-10-15 09:59:51 PM

jaytkay: EnderX: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.

Here we see those conservative "values" we hear so much about. You're OK with 10 or 12 people getting shot every hour, but you are offended that someone mentions it.


No your saying I'm offended, I'm saying your blowing the incident out of proportion to fit into your agenda. What I'm offended by since you seemed to want to know, is people who are not fully charged when the commit a crime with a gun and then are released early from prision.
 
2013-10-15 10:01:27 PM

Incog_Neeto: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: News 2 spoke with the victim's husband, Vincent Goutremont, who was home at the time of the accident along with their two children, a six-year-old and one-year-old.

He reported he woke to his wife screaming. She was sleeping just six feet from the baby's crib where the child was also sleeping.

Responsible gun owners are about as common as good Christians, good drivers and knowledgeable computer owners.

There are approximately 300 million guns in the U.S. if one of these occurred every single day all year it would mean that 99.999873% of all guns are held by responsible owners.


Most "accidental discharges" don't hit anyone and toddlers don't always shoot family members.
Doesn't make their parents responsible gun owners.
 
2013-10-15 10:02:45 PM

jaytkay: highendmighty: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Are you sure these figures are correct?  I used to teach hyperbole in school, and this sounds an awful lot like it.

If you honestly wanted to know, you would look it up. Now what have we learned about your honesty, today?

Anyone? Class?


(raises hand) Honesty usually isn't packaged with hyperbole?
 
2013-10-15 10:04:45 PM

Whatthefark: I wonder if the shooter has ever known love and what it's like to sing songs in the rain.


If you like pellets and buckshot annnnnnnnnd getting shot in the bed................
 
2013-10-15 10:11:54 PM

Dimensio: EnderX: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.

Your argument is not supported by evidence: why, for example, are news stories of firearm owners who behave responsibly and cause no damage not more common than are reports of such incidents?


Are you asking why the liberal media isn't reporting on guns that are used responsibly everyday? Yeaaahh, thats a tough question.

http://tokeepandbeararms.com
 
2013-10-15 10:22:42 PM

Incog_Neeto: There are approximately 300 million guns in the U.S. if one of these occurred every single day all year it would mean that 99.999873% of all guns are held by responsible owners.


90,000 people are shot each year in the US.

And don't forget the people who manage not to hit someone with an intentional or accidental discharge.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:50 PM

Incog_Neeto: There are approximately 300 million guns in the U.S. if one of these occurred every single day all year it would mean that 99.999873% of all guns are held by responsible owners.


Your stats are off for a few reasons.

First, "if one of these occurred every single day all year" is probably low; someone upthread posted statistics about >600 accidental gunshot fatalities every year and an additional 14,600 injuries; that's about 42/day. And that's only counting times when someone was actually injured -- it doesn't count close calls, or other instances of people doing things which most gun owners would consider are irresponsible even though it was not, in fact, a close call. Now, that may have a broader definition of "these" than you want to let on, but even if you count just 1/10th of those occurrences, you could easily be off by a factor of 10 in your estimation. And I'd argue that's likely to be way too generous -- my guess would be that I would consider a majority of those injuries to be caused by owner negligence, in which case if you add in the "owner was negligent but no one was hurt" count then you could easily be off by two orders of magnitude in your estimation.

Second, you make no account of how ownership changes (or in particular, doesn't change) over time. By your measure, if a gun owner had accidentally/negligently shot someone two years ago but still owns the gun, since nothing has happened in the last year, they are suddenly responsible all of a sudden.

Third, you're counting guns rather than gun owners, which in this context is incorrect. Suppose that there were only three guns, A B and C, and two people, Bob and Jill. Bob owns A and B and Jill owns C. Bob accidentally shoots someone. By your figures, because there is one irresponsible owner and three guns, 2/3s of guns are owned by responsible people, but that's not true: in this example, 2/3s of guns are owned by irresponsible people. Figuring the number of gun owners is actually a fairly tough task, but you should probably halve the size of the population you're using on that count alone.

Fourth, even with #3 taken into account, your population number would still be overinflated. You're looking at total population -- but this would count, say, the newborn baby of a responsible gun owner as a responsible gun owner. It would also count, say, the spouse of a hunter even if he or she never even touched the gun. (There are reasonable arguments for why you may or may not want to count such a person.) Again, figuring out exactly who to count is difficult, but if you set a cutoff and say you're going to count everyone who is at least 15 years old and living in a household with a gun as the "owner" of that gun (note that most guns will have several owners), you'll need to drop your population by another 20%.

Now your overall point is somewhat sound, which is that the proportion of gun owners who negligently cause injury or damage is tiny. And I am not really advocating any particular political position -- gun control/rights is one of those issues I really don't feel strongly about at all and find both sides compelling from time to time. But your 99.999873% is a ridiculously meaningless and misrepresented figure.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:44 PM

Incog_Neeto: There are approximately 300 million guns in the U.S. if one of these occurred every single day all year it would mean that 99.999873% of all guns are held by responsible owners.


Oh yeah, and you just counted murderers among your "responsible owners" because you only considered someone irresponsible if they accidentally caused a death.

While that is actually an interesting statistic to look at for a number of reasons, presumably you want to exclude them from that label. Doing so raises the number of irresponsible owners by another order of magnitude, at least assuming that serial murders are a relatively small (<25%) proportion of overall murders. (There are ~8,000 homicide deaths by gunshot each year, which is 10x the number of accidental gun deaths.)
 
2013-10-15 11:49:16 PM

EnderX: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.


That's because like liberalism and the hypothesis of global warming, gun control isn't a science, it's a religion.
 
2013-10-16 12:03:39 AM

Dimensio: EnderX: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.

Your argument is not supported by evidence: why, for example, are news stories of firearm owners who behave responsibly and cause no damage not more common than are reports of such incidents?


Two very legitimate reasons.

1. What normally happens (the astronomically overwhelming majority of gun owners behave responsibly) isn't newsworthy.

2. That kind of story doesn't fit the agenda of the media, most of which aren't even knowledgeable enough about firearms to properly describe their form or function.
 
2013-10-16 02:30:56 AM
Whatever. I will gladly crush the head of the headline writer with a brick.
 
2013-10-16 08:12:21 AM

lycanth: Dimensio: EnderX: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.

Your argument is not supported by evidence: why, for example, are news stories of firearm owners who behave responsibly and cause no damage not more common than are reports of such incidents?

Two very legitimate reasons.

1. What normally happens (the astronomically overwhelming majority of gun owners behave responsibly) isn't newsworthy.

2. That kind of story doesn't fit the agenda of the media, most of which aren't even knowledgeable enough about firearms to properly describe their form or function.


An unproveable assertion, given that the NRA successfully lobbied Congress to prevent the CDC from researching gun injuries.

Not to mention banning doctors from even DISCUSSING gun safety with parents of new infants in some places...
 
2013-10-16 12:09:03 PM

lycanth: EnderX: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.

That's because like liberalism and the hypothesis of global warming, gun control isn't a science, it's a religion.


Funny, considering that in the last 50 years Liberalism is the largest growing religion.
 
2013-10-16 12:13:37 PM

PunGent: lycanth: Dimensio: EnderX: jaytkay: Isolated incident, just like the two or three hundred other isolated incidents happening every day in the US.

Out of 314 million people, it's almost like there is a group out their trying to blow these incidents out of proportion.

Your argument is not supported by evidence: why, for example, are news stories of firearm owners who behave responsibly and cause no damage not more common than are reports of such incidents?

Two very legitimate reasons.

1. What normally happens (the astronomically overwhelming majority of gun owners behave responsibly) isn't newsworthy.

2. That kind of story doesn't fit the agenda of the media, most of which aren't even knowledgeable enough about firearms to properly describe their form or function.

An unproveable assertion, given that the NRA successfully lobbied Congress to prevent the CDC from researching gun injuries.

Not to mention banning doctors from even DISCUSSING gun safety with parents of new infants in some places...


How do you feel about doctors trying to talk women out of having a abortion?
 
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