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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Georgia to begin charging poor people for a lifeline that costs the state nothing   (ajc.com) divider line 112
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2013-10-15 12:58:15 PM
Dicks.

You're all a bunch of dicks, cheats and liars, Republicans. Go fark yourselves

God bless the liberal bastion of Massachusetts
 
2013-10-15 01:04:06 PM
Much like voter ID laws, a solution in search of a problem.
 
2013-10-15 01:10:04 PM
There are several states who govern entirely on the "F*uck Poor People" platform.
 
2013-10-15 01:22:41 PM
FTFA: The program was created during the Reagan Administration and expanded in 2005 to cover mobile phones.

So, naturally, they're called 'Obamaphones' by the baggers.
 
2013-10-15 01:28:02 PM

namegoeshere: There are several states who govern entirely on the "F*uck Poor People" platform.


I would think it would be easier to name the ones that don't, actually.

/Protip: there aren't any
 
2013-10-15 01:34:57 PM
That's just plain cruelty.  It solves no problem, it serves no purpose - other than "you are poor, so f*ck you"

Is this that an example of that famous southern hospitality/Christian values I've heard so much about?
 
2013-10-15 01:42:20 PM
Voted into law by Bubba McDonald. You can't make this stuff up. They are caricatures of themselves.
 
2013-10-15 01:52:35 PM
Did TFA say anything about that $5 covering the cost of fraud investigation?  Does Rick Scott somehow make off like a bandit in this ruse to reduce fraud scheme too?  Does Haley Barbour eat tapioca pudding off the navels of $10 Shreveport whores?

NEXT..... on Geraldo Live!
 
2013-10-15 01:52:43 PM
FTFA:The controversial decision comes after reports of fraud and abuse in the federal cellphone program, called Lifeline. The program was created during the Reagan Administration and expanded in 2005 to cover mobile phones.

That looks dangerously like facts. Will the AJC be punished?
 
2013-10-15 01:52:45 PM
A U.S. Government Accountability Office reported that as many as one in six people receiving free cell phones did not meet income or other need-based requirements to receive the free or discounted phone service. The reports of fraud prompted PSC member Doug Everett to call for tighter oversight on the Lifeline program in Georgia.

Let's see...

1) Identify fraud.
2) Punish everyone.

Seems fair.  I do wonder, though. Out of the six people receiving the phones, who do they think is more likely to be able to afford (or avoid) the $5 fee, the 1 scammer or the 5 actually needy?
 
2013-10-15 01:53:16 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA: The program was created during the Reagan Administration and expanded in 2005 to cover mobile phones.

So, naturally, they're called 'Obamaphones' by the baggers.


Came in here to say exactly this.  Facts don't bother these people.
 
2013-10-15 01:53:31 PM
The controversial decision comes after reports of fraud and abuse in the federal cellphone program, called Lifeline.

Never fix the problems.  Just sweep them under the rug.  No matter how many honest people are harmed.
 
2013-10-15 01:54:09 PM
www.dirtyandthirty.com
 
2013-10-15 01:54:20 PM

coeyagi: Did TFA say anything about that $5 covering the cost of fraud investigation?  Does Rick Scott somehow make off like a bandit in this ruse to reduce fraud scheme too?  Does Haley Barbour eat tapioca pudding off the navels of $10 Shreveport whores?

NEXT..... on Geraldo Live!


Well, Scott's wife who ran the drug testing centers did.
 
2013-10-15 01:54:22 PM

palelizard: A U.S. Government Accountability Office reported that as many as one in six people receiving free cell phones did not meet income or other need-based requirements to receive the free or discounted phone service. The reports of fraud prompted PSC member Doug Everett to call for tighter oversight on the Lifeline program in Georgia.

Let's see...

1) Identify fraud.
2) Punish everyone.

Seems fair.  I do wonder, though. Out of the six people receiving the phones, who do they think is more likely to be able to afford (or avoid) the $5 fee, the 1 scammer or the 5 actually needy?


As the looming debt ceiling / default debate shows, the GOP is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad at math / basic economics.
 
2013-10-15 01:56:13 PM
*Ring! Ring!*  Obamaphone!!
 
2013-10-15 01:56:17 PM
How does charging people $5 stop fraud again?

Wouldn't it actually bring a higher percentage of fraud because it would get rid of a higher percent of poor than the people committing fraud who have actually more money?
 
2013-10-15 01:56:37 PM

Lionel Mandrake: That's just plain cruelty.  It solves no problem, it serves no purpose - other than "you are poor, so f*ck you"

Is this that an example of that famous southern hospitality/Christian values I've heard so much about?


When their religious values include this as a place of worship...

theworthyadversary.comwww.seeing-stars.com
...as well as other megachurch examples, then their values include nothing that serve poor people. (Catholic church just bought this place for $57.5 million, they don't care about poor people either except as pretend "examples" of who they claim the collection plate money helps)
 
2013-10-15 01:56:49 PM
Bubba? Really?
 
2013-10-15 01:57:20 PM
FTFA: Georgia has become the first state to charge low-income residents $5 a month for what is now free cellphone service aimed at assuring the poor have access to basic communications.

LifeLine benefits are hard capped at $10/month (and many receive quite a bit less than that).
 
2013-10-15 01:57:44 PM

palelizard: Let's see...

1) Identify fraud.
2) Punish everyone.


Welcome to rural American Christian culture.

That's the entire point. Judge and punish others to advance in your little social bubble.
 
2013-10-15 01:57:48 PM
Reports of fraud?

Like, actual cases, studied and proven?

Or big, fat conservative tards who "know a guy who knows a guy" who gets his Obamaphone for free when he doesn't really need it?
 
2013-10-15 01:58:07 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA: The program was created during the Reagan Administration and expanded in 2005 to cover mobile phones.

So, naturally, they're called 'Obamaphones' by the baggers.


I pointed out the fact above to some teaparty nut and he said he already knew that but he said that was no reason to stop calling them "Obamaphones"
 
2013-10-15 01:58:25 PM
The commission voted 3-2 last winter to proceed with planning how the charge would work.

First you vote for the monthly charge, then you try to figure out how it will be of any use. Sounds a lot like the government shutdown process to me; a sort of leap before you look strategy.

Thanks Obama.
 
2013-10-15 01:59:25 PM
That'll learn them poors to be poors.

/God hates poors
 
2013-10-15 01:59:58 PM
They need money for the fraud investigation? (if that's what it's for) They say 1 in 6 do it.

Here is a plan fine the people committing the fraud $30 - Hell $50. But that wouldn't punish poor people so of course they are against it.
 
2013-10-15 02:00:05 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: palelizard: Let's see...

1) Identify fraud.
2) Punish everyone.

Welcome to rural American Christian culture.


The Lord helps those that help themselves... or something.
 
2013-10-15 02:01:08 PM
The Georgia Public Service Commission voted 3-2 to approve the measure amid a pending federal lawsuit from a national wireless telephone group

Considering that there's going to be a federal lawsuit, it's actually going to cost the state money to try to charge people for the phones. But it's all worth it because we need to punish people for being poor.
 
2013-10-15 02:01:53 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Lionel Mandrake: That's just plain cruelty.  It solves no problem, it serves no purpose - other than "you are poor, so f*ck you"

Is this that an example of that famous southern hospitality/Christian values I've heard so much about?

When their religious values include this as a place of worship...

[theworthyadversary.com image 500x355][www.seeing-stars.com image 417x300]
...as well as other megachurch examples, then their values include nothing that serve poor people. (Catholic church just bought this place for $57.5 million, they don't care about poor people either except as pretend "examples" of who they claim the collection plate money helps)


'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.'
 
2013-10-15 02:01:53 PM

Testiclaw: Reports of fraud?

Like, actual cases, studied and proven?

Or big, fat conservative tards who "know a guy who knows a guy" who gets his Obamaphone for free when he doesn't really need it?


Federal government reported fraud rates as high as one in six.

But if you RTFA you would know this already.
 
2013-10-15 02:03:46 PM
"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."

So really, poor people should build their own phones and telecommunications infrastructure.

Lazy sots.
 
2013-10-15 02:04:20 PM
i171.photobucket.com

/I'm afraid we're gonna get a lot of use out of this
//Thanks, Jon.
 
2013-10-15 02:04:31 PM
The poor also produce a lot of CO2 so they should be charged a breathing tax to slow down global warming
 
2013-10-15 02:05:41 PM

Testiclaw: Reports of fraud?

Like, actual cases, studied and proven?

Or big, fat conservative tards who "know a guy who knows a guy" who gets his Obamaphone for free when he doesn't really need it?


Here is the program

Do they really think that many people are going through the trouble of falsifying the info they need to get a phone with 1000 text and 250 minutes on it? I would like to see this report and the evidence that their is actual fraud and not some guy claiming he saw some lady in a Cadillac on 24 inch rims talking on a Lifeline phone.
 
2013-10-15 02:06:46 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Lionel Mandrake: That's just plain cruelty.  It solves no problem, it serves no purpose - other than "you are poor, so f*ck you"

Is this that an example of that famous southern hospitality/Christian values I've heard so much about?

When their religious values include this as a place of worship...

[theworthyadversary.com image 500x355][www.seeing-stars.com image 417x300]
...as well as other megachurch examples, then their values include nothing that serve poor people. (Catholic church just bought this place for $57.5 million, they don't care about poor people either except as pretend "examples" of who they claim the collection plate money helps)


I'm gonna play devil's advocate here... if they have that many congregants in one area, then it would take several dozen smaller churches to provide services for all those people.  Having them all meet in one, enormous building allows them to save money on maintenance costs, energy bills and staff payroll... which allows for a higher percentage of donations to go toward charitable purposes.
 
2013-10-15 02:07:45 PM

somedude210: Dicks.

You're all a bunch of dicks, cheats and liars, Republicans. Go fark yourselves

God bless the liberal bastion of Massachusetts


Republicans are assholes.
 
2013-10-15 02:07:47 PM

Corvus: Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA: The program was created during the Reagan Administration and expanded in 2005 to cover mobile phones.

So, naturally, they're called 'Obamaphones' by the baggers.

I pointed out the fact above to some teaparty nut and he said he already knew that but he said that was no reason to stop calling them "Obamaphones"


I've had pretty much the same conversation with self professed conservatives before.  There really isn't anything you can say to those people that can bring out a reasoned response on any subject.  Many of them can't even be engaged in any subject without devolving into nonsensical right wing talking points.  Not all that long ago at work, a few of us were in the break room during lunch.  I asked one girl if she could pass me the ketchup.  She picked up the Heinz bottle and, with a huge shiat-eating grin, announced "Look, one for each state!" while pointing at the 57 varieties label.  How the fark do you respond to something like that?
 
2013-10-15 02:08:06 PM

coeyagi: As the looming debt ceiling / default debate shows, the GOP is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad at math / basic economics.


Look, if they don't want to pay the tax, the poors can just get a job and stop mooching at the Obamaphone teat.

Lenny_da_Hog: Welcome to rural American Christian culture.

That's the entire point. Judge and punish others to advance in your little social bubble.


Yeah, I grew up in SC. My favorite example was during the debate to legalize beer sales on Sunday.  The local paper interviewed people on Saturday outside the liquor store.  One lady interviewed had a cart full of booze the report itemized, clearly more than she or even a small party could drink in one night, and she was quoted as saying "They shouldn't be able to sell beer on Sunday, because that's the Lord's day."

Even ignoring the fact that not everyone shares that opinion (or faith), I had my doubts she'd be spending Sunday dry. The sheer double-facedness of many Southerners continues to astound me, particularly in their desire to everyone else for things they do themselves.

I mean, someone's got to pay, right?  Otherwise there might be a kharmic imbalance.
 
2013-10-15 02:08:10 PM

Lionel Mandrake: That's just plain cruelty.  It solves no problem, it serves no purpose - other than "you are poor, so f*ck you"

Is this that an example of that famous southern hospitality/Christian values I've heard so much about?


You got it. Creamy butter frosting on the outside, maggots feeding on rotting flesh on the inside. If the region was as truly "Christian" as it and its apologists claim to be, there'd be hardly any poverty at all south of Mason-Dixon.
 
2013-10-15 02:08:24 PM

Corvus: They need money for the fraud investigation? (if that's what it's for) They say 1 in 6 do it.

Here is a plan fine the people committing the fraud $30 - Hell $50. But that wouldn't punish poor people so of course they are against it.


What I'm trying to figure out....

This is a Federal program, so why is the state doing any investigation? Seems like they are trying to "help" the federal government when really, it's just an "F*** the Poor!" move
 
2013-10-15 02:08:31 PM
Continuing the brave work of comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted.
 
2013-10-15 02:09:27 PM
Down on your knees,
you'll be left behind.
This is the beginning.
Watch what you think,
they can read your mind.
This is the beginning.
I got my mark, see it in my eyes-
This is the beginning.-
Well my reflection I don't recognize-
This is the beginning.

We think we've climbed so high,
Up all the backs we've condemned.
We face no consequence,
This is the beginning of the end.

You wait your turn,
you'll be last in line.
This is the beginning.
Get out the way,
cause I'm getting mine!
This is the beginning.
God helps the ones that can help themselves!
This is the beginning.
May be too late as far as I can tell-
This is the beginning.

We think we've come so far,
on all our lies we depend.
We see no consequence,
This is the beginning of the end.
 
2013-10-15 02:10:02 PM

palelizard: coeyagi: As the looming debt ceiling / default debate shows, the GOP is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad at math / basic economics.

Look, if they don't want to pay the tax, the poors can just get a job and stop mooching at the Obamaphone teat.

Lenny_da_Hog: Welcome to rural American Christian culture.

That's the entire point. Judge and punish others to advance in your little social bubble.

Yeah, I grew up in SC. My favorite example was during the debate to legalize beer sales on Sunday.  The local paper interviewed people on Saturday outside the liquor store.  One lady interviewed had a cart full of booze the report itemized, clearly more than she or even a small party could drink in one night, and she was quoted as saying "They shouldn't be able to sell beer on Sunday, because that's the Lord's day."

Even ignoring the fact that not everyone shares that opinion (or faith), I had my doubts she'd be spending Sunday dry. The sheer double-facedness of many Southerners continues to astound me, particularly in their desire to everyone else for things they do themselves.

I mean, someone's got to pay, right?  Otherwise there might be a kharmic imbalance.


Please tell me you can buy beer on Sunday now.....
 
2013-10-15 02:13:12 PM
I'm curious how these cases of supposed fraud a detected.  Do they follow folks around to eyeball their lifestyle?  Or do they conduct random audits (which would be of dubious legality) of subscribers?   Just looking at some random Joe on the street talking on their phone, how do you know it's a Lifeline phone?

/There's an idea.  Make the Lifeline phones ugly. I'm talking back-in-the-day brick phone ugly.  A scammer wouldn't be caught dead with one
 
2013-10-15 02:13:12 PM

Testiclaw: Reports of fraud?

Like, actual cases, studied and proven?

Or big, fat conservative tards who "know a guy who knows a guy" who gets his Obamaphone for free when he doesn't really need it?


Of course it's the guy who knows a guy who heard it from his mother in law's ex boyfriend's cousin.

There's a guy in the comments of tfa who has already gone there, "this gal I heard about gets her obamaphone by underreporting her income as 12K, but she makes more than 60K in the strip club" BS.

Just like rampant SNAP fraud 'proof' always starts with "I was in line behind this blah wommin, and she had food stamps and a cart just PILED HIGH with lobster and steak and co-cola and shiat, and after she checked out and dinnint pay a penny fer all that, she walked right out and got into a brand new cadillac and drove away"
 
2013-10-15 02:14:09 PM

ongbok: Testiclaw: Reports of fraud?

Like, actual cases, studied and proven?

Or big, fat conservative tards who "know a guy who knows a guy" who gets his Obamaphone for free when he doesn't really need it?

Here is the program

Do they really think that many people are going through the trouble of falsifying the info they need to get a phone with 1000 text and 250 minutes on it? I would like to see this report and the evidence that their is actual fraud and not some guy claiming he saw some lady in a Cadillac on 24 inch rims talking on a Lifeline phone.


It's real hard to find the report. Not like it's available online or anything. Definitely not going to find a summary with explanations or other relevant links.

The FCC is apparently pretty concerned by this. I don't think Georgia is doing something smart, effective, or advisable, but they are doing it for a reason.
 
2013-10-15 02:14:47 PM

Diogenes: "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."

So really, poor people should build their own phones and telecommunications infrastructure.

Lazy sots.


It's a rite of passage, like when a Jedi has to go out into the wilds to construct their own lightsaber.  Only when the poor can do this, will they truly graduate from Obamawan to their Libbi Knight class.

Of course, that's self-improvement, which the poor are chronically unable to do or they wouldn't be poor, definitionally speaking.  Look it up.
 
2013-10-15 02:16:05 PM

praxcelis: I'm curious how these cases of supposed fraud a detected.  Do they follow folks around to eyeball their lifestyle?  Or do they conduct random audits (which would be of dubious legality) of subscribers?   Just looking at some random Joe on the street talking on their phone, how do you know it's a Lifeline phone?

/There's an idea.  Make the Lifeline phones ugly. I'm talking back-in-the-day brick phone ugly.  A scammer wouldn't be caught dead with one


Audits on a publicly funded and provided phone as being of dubious legality? I can't wait to hear what you think about Section 8 housing evicting family members who let criminals stay with them.
 
2013-10-15 02:16:42 PM

Witty_Retort: FTFA:The controversial decision comes after reports of fraud and abuse in the federal cellphone program, called Lifeline. The program was created during the Reagan Administration and expanded in 2005 to cover mobile phones.

That looks dangerously like facts. Will the AJC be punished?


A claim that reports of fraud were made = "facts" to you?

Look how silly you are.

/not sure if serious
 
2013-10-15 02:16:45 PM

fruitloop: [i171.photobucket.com image 463x353]

/I'm afraid we're gonna get a lot of use out of this
//Thanks, Jon.


That's easy: Obama. They like poverty. A lot.
 
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