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(SeattlePI)   NM police say they found evidence to substaintiate claims of abuse made by former inmates/resident of a "Youth ranch" for troubled kids despite the fact that its owners decided to empty it of kids right before police investigators showed up   (seattlepi.com) divider line 55
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2013-10-15 01:38:35 PM  
Shackled children!? Usually you have to pay extra for that sort of thing.
 
2013-10-15 01:39:20 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Shackled children!? Usually you have to pay extra for that sort of thing.


Heeeeey, Dude
 
2013-10-15 01:40:19 PM  
You know who else had inmates moved out of the compound just before the place was about to get invaded?

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2013-10-15 01:40:23 PM  
yeah pretty much doing a panic clear-out of all your client just prior to the cop's arrival is a flashing neon sign that you are guilty of something.   And the fact that the cops put out an amber alert suggests to me they though this guy capable of making his problems "disappear" into the desert
 
2013-10-15 01:42:03 PM  
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residents of said 'ranch' reported to be excited about the closure.
 
2013-10-15 01:42:50 PM  
So now where will I get my authentic indian wallets made? China?!?!? sheesh
 
2013-10-15 01:43:02 PM  
substains.... mmmm.
 
2013-10-15 01:43:03 PM  
Are there any of these "youth ranches" that aren't beating/farking/starving/dehydrating kids?? Honestly, I figure that if you send your kid to one of these, it's because you want them abused, but you're too chicken shiat to do it yourself.
 
2013-10-15 01:43:32 PM  
As someone who used to work for one of these programs, I'm a little disgusted. Frankly, I'm disgusted anytime people abuse kids in any way, shape, or form. But it takes a special kind of arsehole to mess with kids who already got dealt a crappy hand in life.
 
2013-10-15 01:43:49 PM  
The state better start producing some actual facts to clarify their course of actions, otherwise the owners of this ranch will be in pretty good shape to sue the DA's office for the handling of the investigation.

/I don't know all the details, but the fact that these kids were not on the ranch doesn't seem like a big deal what-so-ever considering this is one of those "trail by wilderness" type camps... they take them camping, shocker!
 
2013-10-15 01:50:12 PM  

rogue_L_chick: Are there any of these "youth ranches" that aren't beating/farking/starving/dehydrating kids?? Honestly, I figure that if you send your kid to one of these, it's because you want them abused, but you're too chicken shiat to do it yourself.


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2013-10-15 01:50:51 PM  

rogue_L_chick: Are there any of these "youth ranches" that aren't beating/farking/starving/dehydrating kids?? Honestly, I figure that if you send your kid to one of these, it's because you want them abused, but you're too chicken shiat to do it yourself.


Good for you. Someone had to bring some ignorance to the thread.
 
2013-10-15 01:52:02 PM  
Did they find Jack Sawyer and his friend Wolf?
 
2013-10-15 01:52:04 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: The state better start producing some actual facts to clarify their course of actions, otherwise the owners of this ranch will be in pretty good shape to sue the DA's office for the handling of the investigation.

/I don't know all the details, but the fact that these kids were not on the ranch doesn't seem like a big deal what-so-ever considering this is one of those "trail by wilderness" type camps... they take them camping, shocker!


You oughta read TFA.  You might learn something.
 
2013-10-15 01:54:06 PM  
The guy running the ranch filed a lawsuit against investigation a few days ago accusing the state child abuse investigators of interviewing the alleged abuse victims without him being present and over his objections, as is his "right" with him claiming legal guardianship over them.
 
2013-10-15 01:54:11 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: The state better start producing some actual facts to clarify their course of actions, otherwise the owners of this ranch will be in pretty good shape to sue the DA's office for the handling of the investigation.

/I don't know all the details, but the fact that these kids were not on the ranch doesn't seem like a big deal what-so-ever considering this is one of those "trail by wilderness" type camps... they take them camping, shocker!


Shackling kids is sometimes necessary. For their own good.
 
2013-10-15 01:56:36 PM  

SwiftFox: The guy running the ranch filed a lawsuit against investigation a few days ago accusing the state child abuse investigators of interviewing the alleged abuse victims without him being present and over his objections, as is his "right" with him claiming legal guardianship over them.


Ya he seems like a real classy dude.
 
2013-10-15 01:58:05 PM  

Police were seeking Chandler for questioning.


Where's Carl?!?


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2013-10-15 02:04:41 PM  

Sofa King Smart: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 327x475]

residents of said 'ranch' reported to be excited about the closure.


came here to post that...

shakes finy internet fist of rage...

continues eating sandwich...
 
2013-10-15 02:04:41 PM  

INeedAName: As someone who used to work for one of these programs, I'm a little disgusted. Frankly, I'm disgusted anytime people abuse kids in any way, shape, or form. But it takes a special kind of arsehole to mess with kids who already got dealt a crappy hand in life.


I used to work for one as well (an RTC- a little different than a "youth ranch," I imagine), and the whole thing was "run" like Lord of the Flies.  While I worked there a kid punched a staff member in the face hard enough that one of his lenses popped out of his glasses and shattered his eye socket.  Another guy had his ear cut in half.  We were routinely asked to downplay violent incidents to state employees- not to mention whenever they were about to show up we had to find ways to make the squalid living conditions seem ok.  Gotta keep even the crazy violent kids, though, for that sweet, sweet money- it'd be too bad if they went to an appropriate facility.  Glad it's closed now.
That said- I left for obvious reasons, and whenever I hear about this kind of stuff I wonder if corruption is universal in this kind of "business."
http://www.krdo.com/news/Axios-Youth-Facility-Suspending-Operations/ -/ 417220/14812652/-/td1ywk/-/index.html
 
2013-10-15 02:05:58 PM  

rogue_L_chick: Are there any of these "youth ranches" that aren't beating/farking/starving/dehydrating kids?? Honestly, I figure that if you send your kid to one of these, it's because you want them abused, but you're too chicken shiat to do it yourself.


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2013-10-15 02:07:09 PM  
I think that we can all agree that based on the scant facts presented we can jump to a conclusion.
 
2013-10-15 02:09:06 PM  

SwiftFox: The guy running the ranch filed a lawsuit against investigation a few days ago accusing the state child abuse investigators of interviewing the alleged abuse victims without him being present and over his objections, as is his "right" with him claiming legal guardianship over them.


Either his lawyer is desperately tossing Hail Mary's or he is completely unfamiliar with the state's inherent power to stand in loco parentis when they spuspect abuse or mistreatment of a child
 
2013-10-15 02:11:30 PM  
lilbjorn:

You oughta read TFA.  You might learn something.

justtray:

Shackling kids is sometimes necessary. For their own good.

FTA: Scott Chandler, the operator of the ranch, said last week that shackles were used in extreme circumstances, and that parents were aware and agreed to that before sending children to the ranch.

I'm not weighing in on if these are morally acceptable practices, but all of these kids have been through juvenile detention centers that utilize cuffs/shackles, and the parents were aware and signed off on the practice.

I'm still waiting for the actual evidence of abuse.
 
2013-10-15 02:11:45 PM  
lilbjorn:
You oughta read TFA.  You might learn something.

And you might now by now that all the facts are rarely in a news article. There is a LOT of explaining that needs to be done here but right now the general reaction in New Mexico is that they overreached. The governor may have made a big mistake in protecting their backs so quickly. Unless this is a slam dunk case she may find herself in more political trouble than she bargained for.
 
2013-10-15 02:17:28 PM  

Tanukis_Parachute: Sofa King Smart: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 327x475]

residents of said 'ranch' reported to be excited about the closure.

came here to post that...

shakes finy internet fist of rage...

continues eating sandwich...


you can't get bogged down with stuff like reading the actual article... just go with your gut based on the headline...

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2013-10-15 02:17:34 PM  

baronbloodbath: Slaves2Darkness: Shackled children!? Usually you have to pay extra for that sort of thing.

Heeeeey, Dude


It's a little wild and a little strange
 
2013-10-15 02:18:12 PM  
No need to get your taint in the headline, subby.
 
2013-10-15 02:19:44 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: lilbjorn:

You oughta read TFA.  You might learn something.

justtray:

Shackling kids is sometimes necessary. For their own good.

FTA: Scott Chandler, the operator of the ranch, said last week that shackles were used in extreme circumstances, and that parents were aware and agreed to that before sending children to the ranch.

I'm not weighing in on if these are morally acceptable practices, but all of these kids have been through juvenile detention centers that utilize cuffs/shackles, and the parents were aware and signed off on the practice.

I'm still waiting for the actual evidence of abuse.


Just because the parents say it's okay to shackle their kids doesn't necessarily make it okay. I believe that in actual facilities for kids with severe problems, there are limitations on the restraints that can be used and reporting requirements. This privately-owned ranch got consent (but not necessarily informed consent) from parents, yet, but a layperson could hardly be expected to know A) exactly how and how often the restraints would be used and B) the expected effects of the restraint usage.

The fact that they panicked and sent all the kids away when they heard they were getting an inspection says a lot about whether they thought their own practices would stand up to scrutiny.
 
2013-10-15 02:23:51 PM  

draypresct: The fact that they panicked and sent all the kids away when they heard they were getting an inspection says a lot about whether they thought their own practices would stand up to scrutiny.


I haven't seen any article confirming that "they panicked and sent all the kids away".  In fact, the official statement from the ranch is that they were away on previously scheduled activities.

Lots of rushed conclusions, 'tis all...
 
2013-10-15 02:24:10 PM  
All together now:

"We don't need incarceration / We don't need no state control."
 
2013-10-15 02:28:58 PM  

Magorn: yeah pretty much doing a panic clear-out of all your client just prior to the cop's arrival is a flashing neon sign that you are guilty of something.   And the fact that the cops put out an amber alert suggests to me they though this guy capable of making his problems "disappear" into the desert



Was he a Neon Rider?

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2013-10-15 02:32:35 PM  
They were probably just shipped off to a feed lot to fatten em for slaughter.
 
2013-10-15 02:37:54 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: draypresct: The fact that they panicked and sent all the kids away when they heard they were getting an inspection says a lot about whether they thought their own practices would stand up to scrutiny.

I haven't seen any article confirming that "they panicked and sent all the kids away".  In fact, the official statement from the ranch is that they were away on previously scheduled activities.

Lots of rushed conclusions, 'tis all...


That's been updatd by the owner who is changing his story nearly hourly, now he claims he just spontaneously decided to return all the kids to thier families a little early, scattering them across several states for completely non suspicious reasons
 
2013-10-15 02:57:50 PM  
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Made ranch kids listen to his radio program when they got out control.
 
2013-10-15 02:58:46 PM  
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You're doing it wrong.  You're supposed to run your scam New Mexico kids ranch for the tax write-off.
 
2013-10-15 03:06:41 PM  

INeedAName: rogue_L_chick: Are there any of these "youth ranches" that aren't beating/farking/starving/dehydrating kids?? Honestly, I figure that if you send your kid to one of these, it's because you want them abused, but you're too chicken shiat to do it yourself.

Good for you. Someone had to bring some ignorance to the thread.


Does not compute.  I'll admit to ignorance.  All I ever hear about these facilities is bad news.  Is there some kind of track record of success we can look to?
 
2013-10-15 03:06:54 PM  

INeedAName: rogue_L_chick: Are there any of these "youth ranches" that aren't beating/farking/starving/dehydrating kids?? Honestly, I figure that if you send your kid to one of these, it's because you want them abused, but you're too chicken shiat to do it yourself.

Good for you. Someone had to bring some ignorance to the thread.




I was only half-serious. The serious half is due to spending 3 months in a detention facility in Arkansas when I was 17. I got tired of my dad beating the hell out of me and I moved out. I was hauled in to juvenile court after the cops picked me up at my friend's house. I was not allowed to speak on record, screamed at and threatened when I tried, and tossed into that hellhole solely on my father's word that I was a "problem". I had never been in trouble before and had a 3.8 gpa.

They were...unkind. Too bad that no one listens to the "bad" kids, at least not back then. :(


I am sure that there are decent places out there...I was just being sarcastic and bitter.
 
2013-10-15 03:09:01 PM  

Magorn: SwiftFox: The guy running the ranch filed a lawsuit against investigation a few days ago accusing the state child abuse investigators of interviewing the alleged abuse victims without him being present and over his objections, as is his "right" with him claiming legal guardianship over them.

Either his lawyer is desperately tossing Hail Mary's or he is completely unfamiliar with the state's inherent power to stand in loco parentis when they spuspect abuse or mistreatment of a child


Get yourself a lawyer who's the son of a former senator for the state and suddenly the "opposition" hesitates while running interference.
 
2013-10-15 03:15:50 PM  
An Amber Alert and manhunt were launched on Friday by state police after officers found the ranch empty when they tried to take custody of the children.

Ranch attorney Pete Domenici Jr. accused the state of escalating the situation with the alert, which was issued after he said the children were safe and being returned to their parents. They were not missing or abducted, he said.

Martinez refused to apologize for the actions of state authorities.


"We felt they were in imminent danger because of what we found in those buildingsPardon me if I don't take your word on that, jackhole," she said of the children, explaining the alert was posted as officers moved to verify they had been returned to their parents.
 
2013-10-15 03:42:11 PM  

rogue_L_chick: Are there any of these "youth ranches" that aren't beating/farking/starving/dehydrating kids?? Honestly, I figure that if you send your kid to one of these, it's because you want them abused, but you're too chicken shiat to do it yourself.

you've grown tired of abusing the kid yourself and you want to give some other sadistic fark a chance to get in on the action.

/FTFY
 
2013-10-15 03:42:50 PM  
If they only had time to beat half the evil out of those kids, does that make them half good or half bad?
 
2013-10-15 03:45:05 PM  
Knowing what I know about CYFD and New Mexico law enforcement, I'm witholding judgement here until the evidence is produced, and I'll still be skeptical then. Those agencies aren't exactly known for thier integrity and honesty, and anyone who believes they are "just thinking of the children's best interest" isn't grounded in reality.

/BTW, nice innocent until proven guilty move there, Guv
 
2013-10-15 03:50:38 PM  

Stu_Padaso: Knowing what I know about CYFD and New Mexico law enforcement, I'm witholding judgement here until the evidence is produced, and I'll still be skeptical then. Those agencies aren't exactly known for thier integrity and honesty, and anyone who believes they are "just thinking of the children's best interest" isn't grounded in reality.

/BTW, nice innocent until proven guilty move there, Guv


I'm not really understanding what the state would gain by making the whole thing up? Persecuting 'Real Merkans' who are trying to do Gods work with troubled youth?
 
2013-10-15 03:58:01 PM  
This is shocking... That this wasn't covered up.
 
2013-10-15 04:15:04 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: draypresct: The fact that they panicked and sent all the kids away when they heard they were getting an inspection says a lot about whether they thought their own practices would stand up to scrutiny.

I haven't seen any article confirming that "they panicked and sent all the kids away".  In fact, the official statement from the ranch is that they were away on previously scheduled activities.

Lots of rushed conclusions, 'tis all...


They were on a previously scheduled hasty return to their parents. A camping trip... back home. Right.
 
2013-10-15 04:41:24 PM  
I am waiting for the "Caged Trouble Teens in Heat" movie. Something like this blogs.houstonpress.com
 
2013-10-15 05:10:57 PM  
Youth ranch is not a flavor!
 
2013-10-15 05:27:06 PM  
rogue_L_chick: Are there any of these "youth ranches" that aren't beating/farking/starving/dehydrating kids?? Honestly, I figure that if you send your kid to one of these, it's because you want them abused, but you're too chicken shiat to do it yourself.

Even if the parents genuinely care, it's more or less a sign that they have no idea what they're doing.
 
2013-10-15 06:14:47 PM  
Since I'm living here in NM now, this story is unfolding, but since officials say it's an ongoing investigation, they're not saying anything. The Governor says the same thing. It's big news in this state. The ranch owner is hiding out, his lawyer is rmping things up for a long fight, it's just a mess here.
Not much news in this state, if there's a car accident half a state away, it makes it on the news. Back where I used to live, the same activity would most likely not be heard, since the TV markets are about 80 miles apart.
 
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