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2013-10-15 11:16:25 AM
This is why mirrors are not allowed any where near Michele Bachmann.
 
2013-10-15 11:20:52 AM
The UK gets wackier everyday. Staring is now a crime there.
 
2013-10-15 11:29:19 AM

Walker: The UK gets wackier everyday. Staring is now a crime there.


I was looking at the article but I became transfixed on this image.

nfs.stvfiles.com

news.bbcimg.co.uk

I completely lost track of time while looking at her. My boss came up behind me while I was staring at her weird shaped head. He said something about the cover sheets on the TPS reports. II must have jumped a foot off my chair. I mean who can resist staring at such an oddity.

Needless to say I have a new background image.
 
2013-10-15 11:30:14 AM

Walker: The UK gets wackier everyday. Staring is now a crime there.


Maybe the whole stalking charge has something to do with it, beyond the staring?
 
2013-10-15 11:35:06 AM

mediablitz: Walker: The UK gets wackier everyday. Staring is now a crime there.

Maybe the whole stalking charge has something to do with it, beyond the staring?


So they'll expand the charges to include to willful car parking?
 
2013-10-15 11:42:12 AM

mediablitz: Walker: The UK gets wackier everyday. Staring is now a crime there.

Maybe the whole stalking charge has something to do with it, beyond the staring?


Sorry, didn't see any mention of "stalking" in the article, just staring.

Dogan Arslan is accused of staring at her and her Pollokshaws Road office from a parked car outside.
The 47-year-old from Battlefield, in Glasgow's southside, is alleged to have carried out the offence between October and December 2012.

Papers from Glasgow Sheriff Court allege that he "engaged in course of conduct" which caused people in the office, including the SNP politician, "fear and alarm".

It is claimed Arslan "repeatedly loitered within a parked motor vehicle in the vicinity of the office premises" and stared at the offices and Ms Sturgeon.
 
2013-10-15 11:47:29 AM
travis bickle jpg
 
2013-10-15 11:49:56 AM

Walker: mediablitz: Walker: The UK gets wackier everyday. Staring is now a crime there.

Maybe the whole stalking charge has something to do with it, beyond the staring?

Sorry, didn't see any mention of "stalking" in the article, just staring.

Dogan Arslan is accused of staring at her and her Pollokshaws Road office from a parked car outside.
The 47-year-old from Battlefield, in Glasgow's southside, is alleged to have carried out the offence between October and December 2012.

Papers from Glasgow Sheriff Court allege that he "engaged in course of conduct" which caused people in the office, including the SNP politician, "fear and alarm".

It is claimed Arslan "repeatedly loitered within a parked motor vehicle in the vicinity of the office premises" and stared at the offices and Ms Sturgeon.


He might have parked aggressively.  You never know.  We don't have the full story.
 
2013-10-15 11:58:11 AM
Dogan Arslan is accused of staring at her

Aslan is amused. He often stares at sturgeons, collects recipes.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-15 12:00:35 PM
Losing a staring contest is no laughing matter in Britain.
 
2013-10-15 12:02:48 PM
When we talk about wanting to arrest people for being complete assholes this is the perfect example. Hope the charges stick.
 
2013-10-15 12:03:11 PM
i1342.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 12:04:06 PM

Walker: mediablitz: Walker: The UK gets wackier everyday. Staring is now a crime there.

Maybe the whole stalking charge has something to do with it, beyond the staring?

Sorry, didn't see any mention of "stalking" in the article, just staring.

Dogan Arslan is accused of staring at her and her Pollokshaws Road office from a parked car outside.
The 47-year-old from Battlefield, in Glasgow's southside, is alleged to have carried out the offence between October and December 2012.

Papers from Glasgow Sheriff Court allege that he "engaged in course of conduct" which caused people in the office, including the SNP politician, "fear and alarm".

It is claimed Arslan "repeatedly loitered within a parked motor vehicle in the vicinity of the office premises" and stared at the offices and Ms Sturgeon.


I'm sorry, do you need a dictionary? Do you not get the concept of "stalking?"

If they had ignored it and he shot the office up three weeks later, you'd be the first to herpaderp about how they should have taken the hint when he repeatedly creeped the office from his car.

You're just a contrarian. You're the worst kind of people.

/oh I know: no, you're not
 
2013-10-15 12:06:05 PM

I_Am_Weasel: This is why mirrors are not allowed any where near Michele Bachmann.


www.peteykins.com
 
2013-10-15 12:08:41 PM
www.chud.com


/I am very old.
 
2013-10-15 12:11:13 PM
Glasgow is a dirty, smoggy, mildewed town where IQ is measured in blood alcohol percentages. It is wild as hell at night, though, and much funner than Edinburgh. I'm betting he was working off a hangover and was staring into space, space that happened to include her.

www.thedrum.com
"There's been a starrrrrrrrring!"

Sorry. Couldn't resist.
 
2013-10-15 12:12:36 PM

brimed03: Walker: mediablitz: Walker: The UK gets wackier everyday. Staring is now a crime there.

Maybe the whole stalking charge has something to do with it, beyond the staring?

Sorry, didn't see any mention of "stalking" in the article, just staring.

Dogan Arslan is accused of staring at her and her Pollokshaws Road office from a parked car outside.
The 47-year-old from Battlefield, in Glasgow's southside, is alleged to have carried out the offence between October and December 2012.

Papers from Glasgow Sheriff Court allege that he "engaged in course of conduct" which caused people in the office, including the SNP politician, "fear and alarm".

It is claimed Arslan "repeatedly loitered within a parked motor vehicle in the vicinity of the office premises" and stared at the offices and Ms Sturgeon.

I'm sorry, do you need a dictionary? Do you not get the concept of "stalking?"

If they had ignored it and he shot the office up three weeks later, you'd be the first to herpaderp about how they should have taken the hint when he repeatedly creeped the office from his car.

You're just a contrarian. You're the worst kind of people.

/oh I know: no, you're not


Maybe he just wanted to see the person charged with "stalking" if they were engaging in stalking behavior.

/which it seems like this guy probably was
 
2013-10-15 12:13:39 PM

Loucifer: [www.chud.com image 448x336]


/I am very old.


Don't put your lips on it!

What is that dang thing?
 
2013-10-15 12:15:33 PM

brimed03: I'm sorry, do you need a dictionary? Do you not get the concept of "stalking?"


You certainly don't, that much is clear. One incident does not a stalking make. The concept of stalking involves multiple incidences. Scotland does have anti-stalking laws. They weren't invoked here because this wasn't stalking.
 
2013-10-15 12:16:10 PM

hillary: Glasgow is a dirty, smoggy, mildewed town where IQ is measured in blood alcohol percentages. It is wild as hell at night, though, and much funner than Edinburgh. I'm betting he was working off a hangover and was staring into space, space that happened to include her.

[www.thedrum.com image 550x300]
"There's been a starrrrrrrrring!"

Sorry. Couldn't resist.


It's the lead in the water that does it.
 
2013-10-15 12:17:41 PM
Having viewed pictures of Ms. Sturgeon just seconds ago, I'd have to say that this man needs to have his brain and eyes checked.
 
2013-10-15 12:21:32 PM
www.dfg.ca.gov
 
2013-10-15 12:21:36 PM

hillary: brimed03: I'm sorry, do you need a dictionary? Do you not get the concept of "stalking?"

You certainly don't, that much is clear. One incident does not a stalking make. The concept of stalking involves multiple incidences. Scotland does have anti-stalking laws. They weren't invoked here because this wasn't stalking.



Well, parking out in front of someone's office for three farking months, just sitting in your car and glaring at the people who work within sounds juuuust a bit like stalking to me, but you go on with your bad self Mr Internet Tough Guy and International Law Expert.
 
2013-10-15 12:21:43 PM

Loucifer: [www.chud.com image 448x336]


/I am very old.


What is that?
 
2013-10-15 12:22:48 PM

deadsanta: hillary: brimed03: I'm sorry, do you need a dictionary? Do you not get the concept of "stalking?"

You certainly don't, that much is clear. One incident does not a stalking make. The concept of stalking involves multiple incidences. Scotland does have anti-stalking laws. They weren't invoked here because this wasn't stalking.


Well, parking out in front of someone's office for three farking months, just sitting in your car and glaring at the people who work within sounds juuuust a bit like stalking to me, but you go on with your bad self Mr Internet Tough Guy and International Law Expert.


It does sound like stalking, so why didn't they charge him with stalking?
 
2013-10-15 12:23:32 PM

TheGogmagog: Loucifer: [www.chud.com image 448x336]


/I am very old.

What is that?


Wait, I know what that is....
No, What is that?
 
2013-10-15 12:24:40 PM

redmid17: deadsanta: hillary: brimed03: I'm sorry, do you need a dictionary? Do you not get the concept of "stalking?"

You certainly don't, that much is clear. One incident does not a stalking make. The concept of stalking involves multiple incidences. Scotland does have anti-stalking laws. They weren't invoked here because this wasn't stalking.


Well, parking out in front of someone's office for three farking months, just sitting in your car and glaring at the people who work within sounds juuuust a bit like stalking to me, but you go on with your bad self Mr Internet Tough Guy and International Law Expert.

It does sound like stalking, so why didn't they charge him with stalking?


It's not as if he avoids meeting the criteria for it

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Justice/crimes/harassment/stalking of fence
 
2013-10-15 12:24:55 PM
He was charged with "engaging in course of conduct ".

Do not do this under any circumstances.
 
2013-10-15 12:25:24 PM
Staring or stalking?
 
2013-10-15 12:25:36 PM

redmid17: It does sound like stalking, so why didn't they charge him with stalking?


Because he never said anything.  He was just being really farking creepy.
 
2013-10-15 12:25:48 PM

SwiftFox: He was charged with "engaging in course of conduct ".

Do not do this under any circumstances.


Wait, are you engaging in course of conduct at me?
 
2013-10-15 12:27:14 PM

Walker: The UK gets wackier everyday. Staring is now a crime there.


I know others have already address this, but just for some perspective: in NY, we have this on the books:
S 240.26 Harassment in the second degree.
 [snip]
3. He or she engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose.

Don't even ask me how the fark that got approved, but there it is. This is the only thing that has kept me from parking across the street and staring at the jerk who totaled my car and got off scott-free for reparations.

/he annoyed me first, damn it.
//was just going to return the favor.
 
2013-10-15 12:27:27 PM

deadsanta: but you go on with your bad self Mr Internet Tough Guy and International Law Expert.


My oh my. Somebody has a bad case of the Mondays that is heading into the second day.

//try sending her flowers and apologize. maybe then you won't have to sleep on the couch again.
 
2013-10-15 12:27:41 PM

fluffy2097: redmid17: It does sound like stalking, so why didn't they charge him with stalking?

Because he never said anything.  He was just being really farking creepy.


You don't need to say anything to stalk someone. Scotland's stalking law (summarized) here:  http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Justice/crimes/harassment/stalkingo f fence

The dude literally meets like half of the included list
 
2013-10-15 12:34:51 PM
You'd have to ask a Lawyer in Scotland why he wasn't charged.

It certainly seems like they don't want to throw the book at the guy, since it's been reduced to a summery hearing.

Maybe they just wanted to make him go away and get mental help, rather then charge him with a crime.
 
2013-10-15 12:35:31 PM
He made me uncomfortable!  I had to pick my nose!  I got a boner!  Not in that order.
 
2013-10-15 12:36:40 PM

redmid17: The dude literally meets like half of the included list


I'm only seeing three on the list that he could qualify for,#6, #9, and possibly #10. The others don't apply in this case (he wasn't following her, for example). That's either one fifth or three tenths, depending on your POV on #10.

Does Scotland have a special definition for 'literally?'
 
2013-10-15 12:36:56 PM

hillary: deadsanta: but you go on with your bad self Mr Internet Tough Guy and International Law Expert.

My oh my. Somebody has a bad case of the Mondays that is heading into the second day.

//try sending her flowers and apologize. maybe then you won't have to sleep on the couch again.


I notice you went straight for the (admittedly counter) ad hominem, and ignored the fact where it was pointed out that you were wrong about this being a one-time event.
 
2013-10-15 12:42:14 PM

fluffy2097: You'd have to ask a Lawyer in Scotland why he wasn't charged.

It certainly seems like they don't want to throw the book at the guy, since it's been reduced to a summery hearing.

Maybe they just wanted to make him go away and get mental help, rather then charge him with a crime.


Summery? In October?
 
2013-10-15 12:42:57 PM
I admit I misread the article. I just though deadsanta's response was way over the top in response, so I figured it is probably not me that he is really angry with, he's just having a really shiatty day. Either that, or maybe I need to have the Glasgow sheriff have a word with him.
 
2013-10-15 12:45:12 PM
You know who else used to sit in cars and stare at politicians?

image.toutlecine.com

And he was eventually deemed a hero.
 
2013-10-15 12:46:18 PM

hillary: Glasgow is a dirty, smoggy, mildewed town where IQ is measured in blood alcohol percentages. It is wild as hell at night, though, and much funner than Edinburgh. I'm betting he was working off a hangover and was staring into space, space that happened to include her.

[www.thedrum.com image 550x300]
"There's been a starrrrrrrrring!"

Sorry. Couldn't resist.


I started watching an episode of that not long ago, could follow the dialogue just fine and then suddenly two of the characters started speaking what appeared to be gibberish. Holy crap those accents can get thick!
 
2013-10-15 12:49:27 PM

SonOfSpam: Summery? In October?


I don't live in Scotland. It COULD be summer there. I don't know.
 
2013-10-15 01:02:24 PM
I thought this was standard stuff in contract riders for folks on the level of Madonna and such.

"Employees are forbidden to meet their gaze."
 
2013-10-15 01:12:21 PM

Albert911emt: Losing a staring contest is no laughing matter in Britain.


Does she qualify now for the Ministry Of Silly Stares?
 
2013-10-15 01:13:51 PM

ladyfortuna: 3. He or she engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose.


Has that law ever been challenged?   Doesn't sound like it would survive - too vague and subjective.   What's alarming or annoying to some pansy-assed hand-wringer who is afraid of their own shadow might not even register to a reasonable person.
 
2013-10-15 01:21:00 PM
Caught staring toward the direction of her office, therefore to make it all about her she has him charged w/ the man staring somehow at her direction !
 
2013-10-15 01:31:16 PM
"Starin' at a politician?  You bet that's a paddlin'..."
 
2013-10-15 01:45:54 PM

Walker: mediablitz: Walker: The UK gets wackier everyday. Staring is now a crime there.

Maybe the whole stalking charge has something to do with it, beyond the staring?

Sorry, didn't see any mention of "stalking" in the article, just staring.

Dogan Arslan is accused of staring at her and her Pollokshaws Road office from a parked car outside.
The 47-year-old from Battlefield, in Glasgow's southside, is alleged to have carried out the offence between October and December 2012.

Papers from Glasgow Sheriff Court allege that he "engaged in course of conduct" which caused people in the office, including the SNP politician, "fear and alarm".

It is claimed Arslan "repeatedly loitered within a parked motor vehicle in the vicinity of the office premises" and stared at the offices and Ms Sturgeon.


Go to the end of the article. There is a link to the stalking charge.
 
2013-10-15 01:47:19 PM

Titanius Anglesmith: I started watching an episode of that not long ago, could follow the dialogue just fine and then suddenly two of the characters started speaking what appeared to be gibberish. Holy crap those accents can get thick!


I can understand most Glaswegian accented English, Taggart (the show referenced, whose catch phrase is "There's been a murrrrrrrder!") is fairly easily understandable. Try an episode of Rab C. Nesbitt. Not a damned clue what that Scot is saying.

I was in Glasgow two years ago, went to a small concert hall above a pub, King Tut's Wah Wah Hut (Jim Bianco was headlining -- amazing guy). Met a nice young couple. I commented on the sticky rubbery floor with spilt beer from the previous week or so, and the young man explained, "That's Glaswegian wall-to-wall carpeting."
 
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