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(SeattlePI)   New technology allows airlines to remove those luxurious, bulky seats that give you so much legroom in coach, and replace them with smaller, tighter seats. No word if that new technology is a hydraulic press for passengers   (seattlepi.com) divider line 110
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2013-10-15 11:37:48 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-10-15 12:05:30 PM
The seating wouldn't be that bad if they staggered the middle seat slightly. I'm not a big guy, but my shoulders always get squeezed in.
 
2013-10-15 12:21:34 PM
Air travel: one of the few times where being small serves as an advantage.

/the other being when your cruise ship beaches on an island full of cannibals
 
2013-10-15 12:45:54 PM
I'm waiting for them to just remove all the seats and begin strapping us down in stacked rows like logs.
 
2013-10-15 12:46:07 PM
So I think I understood correctly in that the article actually means the material is thinner, and not the actual room you have?

...right?
 
2013-10-15 12:48:03 PM
Isn't this a repeat from last week?
 
2013-10-15 12:49:02 PM

theorellior: I'm waiting for them to just remove all the seats and begin strapping us down in stacked rows like logs.


Guess I'll be driving to Seattle next time I want to visit people. That's gonna be fun. "I need three weeks off, because it's going to take me a week to get there and a week to get back".
 
2013-10-15 12:49:14 PM
Add a few inches of legroom and airlines can charge more for tickets. Take away a few inches and they can fit more seats on the plane and still charge the same amount or more for tickets.

The airlines are constantly reminding me that my decision to never fly again was the right one.  fark 'em.
 
2013-10-15 12:49:23 PM

sure haven't: So I think I understood correctly in that the article actually means the material is thinner, and not the actual room you have?

...right?


Yep. I am not looking forward to this. I'm a large guy (6'3") and not fat, but those seats were tiny before. Less legroom just means my knees are going to be an inch deeper into someone's back. Making the seats narrower just means my shoulders are going to jut out over the armrests more and possible into the aisle. Short of reducing the size of my femurs and dislocating my shoulders for the flight, there's not much I can do get smaller.

/effin airlines
//at least I don't fly as much anymore
 
2013-10-15 12:49:25 PM
The article says the new seats net a 6 seat increase per plane.  We're talking Wal-Mart-level savings, people.
 
2013-10-15 12:49:30 PM
I just wish they'd could come up with a seat design that allows me to sit down without jamming my knees into the seat in front of me for the entire flight.

Especially when the bastard in the seat in front of me tries to recline.
 
2013-10-15 12:50:22 PM
No, no, no. It's not the airlines-it's those evil farks who recline their seat all the way back.
 
2013-10-15 12:50:41 PM

theorellior: I'm waiting for them to just remove all the seats and begin strapping us down in stacked rows like logs.


Some discount airline (Ryan Air) actually announced that.

I'd need a an anesthetic to endure the pin as my legs go purple from lack of blood.
 
2013-10-15 12:51:03 PM
So if these are small even for normal people, where do the airlines get off claiming there's a problem with overweight passengers taking up too much room? Sounds like the original problem is the airline's...
 
2013-10-15 12:52:16 PM
The one time I didn't fly business/first class on a flight to London, I get stuck between two obese gentlemen who I thought were American but ended up being British. Their fat rolled onto the arm rests leaving me to keep my hands on the drop down tray the whole flight. It was miserable and I'd gladly pay for more room.

I don't hate fat people for their lifestyle choices but I'd prefer they stay at least 3 feet away from me at all times.
 
2013-10-15 12:52:42 PM

miss diminutive: Air travel: one of the few times where being small serves as an advantage.

/the other being when your cruise ship beaches on an island full of cannibals


//the other other being sex, when a tall guy can pick you up, settle you "on" and walk around with you
///6-footer here
////three pair of identical shoes gets expensive
//slashie madness
 
GBB
2013-10-15 12:52:52 PM
getting closer every day:
blogs.smithsonianmag.com
 
2013-10-15 12:53:15 PM

gnosis301: The article says the new seats net a 6 seat increase per plane.  We're talking Wal-Mart-level savings, people.


If 100 passengers would be willing to pay just $16 more for their tickets, airlines wouldn't need to add those extra seats and squish their coach customers further.

I would happily pay an extra $100 per domestic flight for more personal space on a plane, but that option doesn't exist.  It's either pay two or three times the cost of the ticket for business class or first class, or suffer in coach.  How is there not a middle option?
 
2013-10-15 12:54:46 PM

mcreadyblue: Isn't this a repeat from last week?


Why, yes it is.  With the same misinformation in the headline.  Just a different airline this time around.

I must be in the minority with my opinion that airline travel has gotten better over the past 10 years.  Not really on account of the airlines themselves, but because of all the technology options that make sitting in a tin can 50,000 feet up in the air more pleasurable.  Noise cancelling headphones and a tablet are your two best friends.  Throw in on-board WiFi and you're totally set.
 
2013-10-15 12:55:41 PM
United sucks donkey balls.
 
2013-10-15 12:56:25 PM

redmid17: sure haven't: So I think I understood correctly in that the article actually means the material is thinner, and not the actual room you have?

...right?

Yep. I am not looking forward to this. I'm a large guy (6'3") and not fat, but those seats were tiny before. Less legroom just means my knees are going to be an inch deeper into someone's back. Making the seats narrower just means my shoulders are going to jut out over the armrests more and possible into the aisle. Short of reducing the size of my femurs and dislocating my shoulders for the flight, there's not much I can do get smaller.

/effin airlines
//at least I don't fly as much anymore


So, pay the $3K and go 1st class you whiner.
 
2013-10-15 12:57:04 PM

Saul T. Balzac: I would happily pay an extra $100 per domestic flight for more personal space on a plane, but that option doesn't exist.  It's either pay two or three times the cost of the ticket for business class or first class, or suffer in coach.  How is there not a middle option?


Virgin America Airlines, perhaps?  Or maybe any of the other dozen or so carriers that allow you to pay to get an aisle seat or "premium coach" seat with a few more inches of legroom?
 
2013-10-15 12:57:34 PM

DoomPaul: The one time I didn't fly business/first class on a flight to London, I get stuck between two obese gentlemen who I thought were American but ended up being British. Their fat rolled onto the arm rests leaving me to keep my hands on the drop down tray the whole flight. It was miserable and I'd gladly pay for more room.

I don't hate fat people for their lifestyle choices but I'd prefer they stay at least 3 feet away from me at all times.


So, buy three tickets.
 
2013-10-15 12:59:03 PM

DoomPaul: The one time I didn't fly business/first class on a flight to London, I get stuck between two obese gentlemen who I thought were American but ended up being British. Their fat rolled onto the arm rests leaving me to keep my hands on the drop down tray the whole flight. It was miserable and I'd gladly pay for more room.

I don't hate fat people for their lifestyle choices but I'd prefer they stay at least 3 feet away from me at all times.


Every airline seat thread I say the same thing: they should have a few seats set aside for those of us at either extremes of body size. I'm barely 5' and under 90lbs and don't use a full seat's worth of space. I would be fine sitting in a smaller one, given that I'd be sitting with other small people who didn't overflow their seats into mine. The space saved could be used to add a few larger seats for people who are the opposite extreme in terms of size.

I know they'll never do it for any number of logistical reasons, but still.
 
2013-10-15 12:59:07 PM

Saul T. Balzac: How is there not a middle option?


Because the calculus says cattle car seating is more beneficial and lucrative, even with the complaining customers.  There guys work in volume, and they know there's more business in cramming in low-budget flyers than catering to mid-level, middle income flyers.  The top level they can gouge for insane rates, and they'll pay those.

Yes, it sucks for those of us who actually would happily pay the extra $50 or so to stretch our legs or have actual arm rests.  But, sadly, we are in the margins.
 
2013-10-15 01:01:10 PM

brimed03: miss diminutive: Air travel: one of the few times where being small serves as an advantage.

/the other being when your cruise ship beaches on an island full of cannibals

//the other other being sex, when a tall guy can pick you up, settle you "on" and walk around with you
///6-footer here
////three pair of identical shoes gets expensive
//slashie madness


I'm 5'10" and think such a 6' woman either needs to lose a few lb or find a stronger/larger partner.

/being lifted and thrown around still scares me to death though, so I dont know if I'd call that a sex "benefit"
 
2013-10-15 01:02:32 PM

sure haven't: So I think I understood correctly in that the article actually means the material is thinner, and not the actual room you have?
...right?


Every time there's a change, the customer loses. You been living in a hole?
 
2013-10-15 01:07:07 PM

doubled99: No, no, no. It's not the airlines-it's those evil farks who recline their seat all the way back.



The whole 3/4"?
 
2013-10-15 01:08:43 PM

doubled99: No, no, no. It's not the airlines-it's those evil farks who recline their seat all the way back.


But God forbid we request that airlines rid of reclining seats!

I've seen "tall" people on here called fat, selfish, liars, and ignorant of physics (when it is really geometry).

/not particularly fat or tall as people go, but I am practically all leg so reducing reclining fn on seats would be nice for me
//thinner cushions revealed in TFA are gonna be murder for fat people and people with back problems
 
2013-10-15 01:10:35 PM

Slaves2Darkness: redmid17: sure haven't: So I think I understood correctly in that the article actually means the material is thinner, and not the actual room you have?

...right?

Yep. I am not looking forward to this. I'm a large guy (6'3") and not fat, but those seats were tiny before. Less legroom just means my knees are going to be an inch deeper into someone's back. Making the seats narrower just means my shoulders are going to jut out over the armrests more and possible into the aisle. Short of reducing the size of my femurs and dislocating my shoulders for the flight, there's not much I can do get smaller.

/effin airlines
//at least I don't fly as much anymore

So, pay the $3K and go 1st class you whiner.


When I'm flying, it is usually for work and on the client's dime. If they would spring for first class or business class, I would do it in a heartbeat. I've only gotten that option once though, and it was because a coach flight cost more than the 1st class equivalent a few days before they wanted me down there on short notice. Driving is almost never an option because that would take time away from my other clients. I don't mind paying for extra room when I fly for personal reasons.
 
2013-10-15 01:12:41 PM
6'6", tree fiddy here.  God blessed me with the physical presence of a small apartment building.  So I am completely and inexorably f*cked if I ever wanted to fly anywhere.

I actually think that I would PREFER the "semi-standing" seats that were pictured above.  I would gladly half-lean against a seatback for 2 hours than be physically wedged into a standard airline seat, where I and the persons beside, in front of, and behind me would be miserable as well.
 
2013-10-15 01:13:09 PM

Saul T. Balzac: gnosis301: The article says the new seats net a 6 seat increase per plane.  We're talking Wal-Mart-level savings, people.

If 100 passengers would be willing to pay just $16 more for their tickets, airlines wouldn't need to add those extra seats and squish their coach customers further.

I would happily pay an extra $100 per domestic flight for more personal space on a plane, but that option doesn't exist.  It's either pay two or three times the cost of the ticket for business class or first class, or suffer in coach.  How is there not a middle option?


United economyPlus. There. Shut up now
 
2013-10-15 01:14:23 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Saul T. Balzac: gnosis301: The article says the new seats net a 6 seat increase per plane.  We're talking Wal-Mart-level savings, people.

If 100 passengers would be willing to pay just $16 more for their tickets, airlines wouldn't need to add those extra seats and squish their coach customers further.

I would happily pay an extra $100 per domestic flight for more personal space on a plane, but that option doesn't exist.  It's either pay two or three times the cost of the ticket for business class or first class, or suffer in coach.  How is there not a middle option?

United economyPlus. There. Shut up now


Do you work for United?
 
2013-10-15 01:17:37 PM

elysive: HaywoodJablonski: Saul T. Balzac: gnosis301: The article says the new seats net a 6 seat increase per plane.  We're talking Wal-Mart-level savings, people.

If 100 passengers would be willing to pay just $16 more for their tickets, airlines wouldn't need to add those extra seats and squish their coach customers further.

I would happily pay an extra $100 per domestic flight for more personal space on a plane, but that option doesn't exist.  It's either pay two or three times the cost of the ticket for business class or first class, or suffer in coach.  How is there not a middle option?

United economyPlus. There. Shut up now

Do you work for United?


Nope
 
2013-10-15 01:18:05 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Saul T. Balzac: gnosis301: The article says the new seats net a 6 seat increase per plane.  We're talking Wal-Mart-level savings, people.

If 100 passengers would be willing to pay just $16 more for their tickets, airlines wouldn't need to add those extra seats and squish their coach customers further.

I would happily pay an extra $100 per domestic flight for more personal space on a plane, but that option doesn't exist.  It's either pay two or three times the cost of the ticket for business class or first class, or suffer in coach.  How is there not a middle option?

United economyPlus. There. Shut up now



I live in Atlanta; I tend to fly Delta.

For some reason, I am never able to get the upgrades to the exit row seats, or other seats with more legroom.  They always seem to be sold out.
 
2013-10-15 01:18:43 PM

theorellior: I'm waiting for them to just remove all the seats and begin strapping us down in stacked rows like logs.


Just go straight to drop pods a d parachute us into our destination.

75% travel for a 10% raise? No thanks
 
2013-10-15 01:20:39 PM

doubled99: No, no, no. It's not the airlines-it's those evil farks who recline their seat all the way back.


All 4 inches?

Boy are you tight, bottom boy.
 
2013-10-15 01:24:27 PM
I'm anticipating the day when Lufthansa Airline forgoes seats entirely, and stacks passengers like cordwood.
 
2013-10-15 01:27:44 PM
imageshack.com

Who told them what headlines I was looking at???
 
2013-10-15 01:32:45 PM
Airlines are kind of making flying similar to hauling bulk cargo rather than passengers. One CEO wanted to remove all but one toilet aboard his aircraft and when told he couldn't, then he wanted to make passengers pay to use them.

Ever seen those busses in some third world nations that travel those nasty roads between villages? Packed to standing room only, far beyond capacity, natives often even cling to roof racks.

I suspect flying's going to be something like that soon. Complete with the live chickens, foot tied and carried around the neck.

When I was a kid, flying was a luxury, comfortable and didn't cost an arm and a leg. We mostly had turbo prop aircraft, but we also later got the 747 with the actual bar and lounge where you could walk around, drink, listen to a piano player or sit in comfortable seats and chat.

The stewards and stewardesses weren't the stuffed shirts they are today either.

Start taking the train people. It takes a bit longer, but it's more comfortable and you can even get a full sized private compartment or a half compartment -- each with their own bathroom. The scenery is even better.

Plus, if you wreck, you have a much better chance of walking out rather than being scraped up off the ground after falling 40,000 feet. Not to mention the dining car, less pilfering of your luggage by baggage handlers and I haven't heard of anyone going nuts and having to have the train turn around and have the cops take him off, like on aircraft.

Soon, third class in aircraft might be like the old subways: everyone crammed in and holding onto straps bolted into the roof.

I wonder how long before some CEO starts considering recaps for aircraft tires? Like truckers use. They already salvage and reuse electronics from wrecked aircraft. After the NTSB gets done scraping the bodies out and determining the cause of the crash, the companies start salvaging usable parts.

For me, the concept of battling my way through an over crowded terminal, having to watch what I say least the NSA grabs my arse, going through security, getting crammed into a narrow tube, shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of strangers and screaming kids then having to be sealed in there for a few hours is kinda like the 5th circle of hell.

If I get crammed in next to a tub of lard who overflows his seat, then it becomes the 8th circle.
 
2013-10-15 01:33:46 PM

HaywoodJablonski: United economyPlus. There. Shut up now


Is still shiat.
 
2013-10-15 01:34:00 PM

GBB: getting closer every day:
[blogs.smithsonianmag.com image 850x268]


That guy wrapped around the pole near the front, that seems like a really uncomfortable way to spend a month at sea.
 
2013-10-15 01:40:20 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Saul T. Balzac: gnosis301: The article says the new seats net a 6 seat increase per plane.  We're talking Wal-Mart-level savings, people.

If 100 passengers would be willing to pay just $16 more for their tickets, airlines wouldn't need to add those extra seats and squish their coach customers further.

I would happily pay an extra $100 per domestic flight for more personal space on a plane, but that option doesn't exist.  It's either pay two or three times the cost of the ticket for business class or first class, or suffer in coach.  How is there not a middle option?

United economyPlus. There. Shut up now


Stockholm Syndrome.
 
2013-10-15 01:42:12 PM

sure haven't: So I think I understood correctly in that the article actually means the material is thinner, and not the actual room you have?

...right?


"All that foam cushion and padding probably didn't add all that much comfort. All that's been taken out," he said.
 
2013-10-15 01:42:23 PM

valkore: Virgin America Airlines, perhaps? Or maybe any of the other dozen or so carriers that allow you to pay to get an aisle seat or "premium coach" seat with a few more inches of legroom?


Fark legroom.  Does any airline allow you to buy a few more inches of width?  If you buy two seats, they will place them in different rows, or see that one of them isn't occupied and re-sell it.
 
2013-10-15 01:43:40 PM

HaywoodJablonski: United economyPlus. There. Shut up now


Is it any wider, or just "more legroom"?
 
2013-10-15 01:44:01 PM

miss diminutive: Air travel: one of the few times where being small serves as an advantage.

/the other being when your cruise ship beaches on an island full of cannibals


This is what I tell every tall person who glares at me on an airplane. That said, my favorite 'being short' advantage is that I'm great at hiding. Tiny cranny behind the washer? I fit there. Inside a cabinet? Here I go!

Plus you can always buy pants long enough- I can hem pants in about 10 minutes but no tall person can lengthen their too-short pants.
 
2013-10-15 01:44:30 PM

HaywoodJablonski: elysive: HaywoodJablonski: Saul T. Balzac: gnosis301: The article says the new seats net a 6 seat increase per plane.  We're talking Wal-Mart-level savings, people.

If 100 passengers would be willing to pay just $16 more for their tickets, airlines wouldn't need to add those extra seats and squish their coach customers further.

I would happily pay an extra $100 per domestic flight for more personal space on a plane, but that option doesn't exist.  It's either pay two or three times the cost of the ticket for business class or first class, or suffer in coach.  How is there not a middle option?

United economyPlus. There. Shut up now

Do you work for United?

Nope


Yet you still shill for it on Fark? It only advertises more legroom, not more "personal space". If strangers are touching you, you have no real personal space.
 
2013-10-15 01:45:41 PM

flondrix: HaywoodJablonski: United economyPlus. There. Shut up now

Is it any wider, or just "more legroom"?


Just legroom. Same seats, different placement on the plane (exit rot, initial bulkhead in front)
 
2013-10-15 01:46:53 PM

Rik01: Start taking the train people. It takes a bit longer, but it's more comfortable and you can even get a full sized private compartment or a half compartment -- each with their own bathroom. The scenery is even better.


Pittsburgh to Minneapolis is a 1 hour 20 minute non-stop flight.

Via train, it's 22 hours 30 minutes with a stop in Chicago.

You have an odd definition of 'a bit', considering the trip is 17 times longer by rail.
 
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