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(Talking Points Memo)   Senate GOP: Simmer down, we found a way out of this mess. House GOP: Well, then we'll just issue another counter offer with attacks on Obamacare then. HA   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 218
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2013-10-15 10:28:43 AM
24 votes:
The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.

YOU GET NOTHING.

ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!

YOU LOSE!

GOOD DAY SIR.

2013-10-15 10:08:45 AM
9 votes:
But remember, folks, the Democrats are the ones prolonging this by refusing to make any concessions.
2013-10-15 11:03:42 AM
8 votes:
The teahadists think they're coolly playing chess instead of what they're really doing: cramming Candyland pieces up their nose and screaming "CHECKMARK" while everyone else in the park rolls their eyes and wonders when the Care Aides are going to intervene with some juice boxes and peanut butter crackers
2013-10-15 11:06:45 AM
7 votes:

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


Exactly. I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I was able to utilize the WA exchange and find insurance that was better than the insurance we'd had to buy on our own last year that was $500 cheaper each month. Better insurance. Lower deductibles. No copays (versus $40 copays). $500 cheaper per month. And even though we're solidly middle class making more than the median yearly income, we'd get a subsidy to help us pay for the insurance (which is why it was $500 cheaper and not $350).

Please note that we moved to a smaller apartment to help pay for the insurance we had to buy on our own for 10 months. If we'd had access to the exchanges, we wouldn't have had to do that. Part of why we moved is we were on COBRA for a few months while Regence slowly, slowly processed our application. Took them 3 months and they made us pay for November even though we hadn't used any services and they hadn't approved our application until December. It was pay for November (on top of paying COBRA in November) or go through the process all over again and hope it doesn't take another 3 months. So they got $780 from us for nothing, plus we paid $1200 for COBRA. Nothing quite like spending $2000 for one month of health insurance when all you did was buy 3 generic prescriptions.

Meanwhile, retards keep telling me that Obamacare will be more expensive for people they know. The only thing I can imagine is those people they know are either lying, mistaken, or have such shiatty insurance that it doesn't count as actual insurance.
2013-10-15 11:16:12 AM
6 votes:
For everyone complaining about the ACA, can you please actually pay attention to what the House is doing here. The House's entire move here is simply replacing a benefit to employers and unions with a benefit to medical device manufacturers. There's no fight here about Obamacare - it's purely them wanting to fark unions at the expense of industry donors. This is what they are fighting over at this point.
2013-10-15 11:09:17 AM
6 votes:
Sent an email to Senator Warren.

I want to know who owns what stocks, and I want to know right now. Darrel Issa, Ted Cruz, Jim
DeMint, Eric Cantor, and I want Romney's too.

I want to know EXACTLY who is buying shorts right now, because I'll bet anything that's what it's all about.

Take a few million, buy a grip of shorts. Keep leaking news of a "deal" so the market will run up and be optimistic. Sell the profits on the few million you didn't use for short, then buy more shorts.

Step 3: profit, no matter which way this goes.
2013-10-15 10:47:18 AM
6 votes:
It's not just poor people who couldn't access health insurance. (The poorest people have insurance.) How about middle class small business owners and employees, the self employed, those with preexisting conditions, etc.?
2013-10-15 11:28:55 AM
5 votes:

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?


Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.
2013-10-15 11:14:43 AM
5 votes:

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


If you're poor enough, you should be on Medicaid. Sucks to be you if you're in a Hunger Games style red state (for states with a high proportion of self-proclaimed Christians, their state governments see to delight on minimizing services to help the poor survive).

Obamacare is NOT universal healthcare. It is a Republican/private market health program that is better than what we had before, but still not like what every other first world nation. When you see those polls about people who do not support Obamacare, typically 15-25% of those don't support it because of this - it does not go far enough.
2013-10-15 11:11:08 AM
5 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


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2013-10-15 11:02:46 AM
5 votes:

karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.


Are these considered medical devices?

i.imgur.com

If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.
2013-10-15 10:58:12 AM
5 votes:
How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.
2013-10-15 10:56:43 AM
5 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Yes, potentially global consequences. But for the idiots doing this? No. No consequences. Consequences are for little people.
2013-10-15 10:39:22 AM
5 votes:
I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.
2013-10-15 12:26:30 PM
4 votes:
Reading this made me realize just how good my health benefits are.  Honestly I am one of those people that benefit more under the current system than ACA.  However, by not being a sociopath, I realize that ACA is better for society as a whole than the current system.
2013-10-15 12:20:19 PM
4 votes:

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


THEN WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT?!
2013-10-15 11:51:36 AM
4 votes:

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


To expand: Inside the reality bubble, they believe that the sole purpose of any program that benefits any person directly, is to make that person depend on the government, so as to guarantee their big-government (i.e. Democratic) vote.

They also believe that 47% of the country is currently dependent in such a manner.

Therefore, getting more people dependent (through the ACA) will push us over the 50%-moocher tipping point. From there on out, Democratic victory in all elections would be guaranteed, and there would be no way to ever save the country from the resulting tax-and-spend death spiral.

From the outside, the apparent belief that ACA is an existential threat to the very concept of freedom looks stupid. But just borrow a couple of axioms from conservative brains, and it makes perfect sense.
2013-10-15 11:47:41 AM
4 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.


Personal responsibility is only for other people, not MEEEE!

I love the attempted argument of, "but I don't NEEEED it!"  Are you alive?  Then you need it.  No, you can't wait until you get sick, get insurance, then drop it as soon as your personal health crisis is over.  It's not a goddamn grant.

Personally, I could go two ways with this: 1) single payer, comprehensive national insurance pool, etc. or 2) deregulate insurance completely, drop all State and Federal subsidies/funding for ER programs, and eliminate all entitlement programs (yes, that includes Medicare and Social Security).

One or the other.  If you're so goddamn boot-strappy that you don't "need" health insurance, then you're on your own, paying cash for care and likely obtaining non-dischargeable debt over the course of your life.  Broke your arm?  Too farking bad - pay up the $10k for care.  Heart attack?  Fark you, pony up the $200k.   No, you can't just go to the ER and get care for "free" anymore.  Stay home and die.

But that's not the preferable option.  The ACA is an unfortunately half-assed first step in the right direction (single payer).  Just gotta keep moving toward the only reasonable and logical goal.

If not?  Fark you.  Burn the entire support system to the ground.  Enjoy losing everything you have in a single day.  Either through paying up-front for care out of pocket, or from being raped by unregulated insurance.  You want a Libertarian paradise?  You have no idea what that entails...
2013-10-15 11:26:46 AM
4 votes:

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?

It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.


WAAAH IT'S NOT FAIR I PAY MY PREMIUMS AND DON'T GET SICK.

I PAY MY TAXES BUT DO NOT DRAW SSI YET.

I PAY FOR CAR INSURANCE BUT DON'T GET IN ACCIDENTS.

IT'S ALL ABOUT ME! SOCIETY SHOULD EXIST FOR ME!
2013-10-15 11:17:21 AM
4 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: The GOP made the election a referendum on the ACA and on Obama's policies in general. Didn't pan out.


Friggin' this.  I'm sick of this talking point that "just because Obama was reelected doesn't meant that ACA is popular."  Yes, it farking does.  It was the ONLY thing Romney was consistent about as a candidate.  How many times did he say he'd repeal Obamacare on his first day in office?

No, the GOP made it a referendum on Obamacare.  People may have disliked Romney, but they obviously disliked Obamacare less, because they chose, overwhelmingly, to leave Obama and his signature legislation in place.
2013-10-15 11:16:55 AM
4 votes:

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.
2013-10-15 11:12:34 AM
4 votes:

George Babbitt: Kit Fister: Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.

^This


Oh Jesus Christ. You people can rationalize anything.

"It's not that people voted for Obama even though he continues to have high poll numbers and be quite popular. It's just that they thought the last crop of RINOs was worse! I know, let's veer even harder to the right! That's what the American people, especially those slutty women and lazy ethnic minorities think!"
2013-10-15 11:11:26 AM
4 votes:

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.
2013-10-15 10:59:11 AM
4 votes:

James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.


It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.
2013-10-15 04:40:07 PM
3 votes:
I think there are too many people in here who think that Obamacare is either ALL BAD or ALL GOOD. From my experience working in health insurance and actually reading the ACA, it does have both good and bad issues. It mostly benefits the weakest members of our society (the poor, those with pre-existing conditions, etc.) It hurts the healthy. Premiums have gone up quite a bit since the ACA was passed. That is bad. They will likely continue to go up as the ramifications of being required to take on sick people play out. It's gonna vary from person to person if you think this was worth it. In my opinion, I'm hoping it fails horribly and is followed up with UHC. With UHC, you can say goodbye to all the needless overhead wasted on health insurance operations, billing, profits, etc.
2013-10-15 01:59:40 PM
3 votes:
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2013-10-15 11:30:22 AM
3 votes:

George Babbitt: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That is the first time in history I have ever heard of insurance doing that and if true would be awesome, citation needed though, if you please.


No, it's not true.

The insurance companies are required to send you a check, refunding part of your premiums, if THEY don't spend >=80% on medical care. I received a check last year from Aetna because they hadn't met this. It's averaged across ALL of their plans though, not just an individual.
2013-10-15 11:27:11 AM
3 votes:

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?

It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.


You want a return on your investment huh? How about you not being bankrupt and penniless if, god forbid, you had a major medical event occur. THAT'S THE POINT OF INSURANCE!

If you want a slight return on your investment, get an HSA compatible plan and put some money into it. You get a tax break on the money you put into the HSA and once you've got enough to in there to make you feel comfortable, you'll have lower rates.
2013-10-15 11:21:40 AM
3 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Medicare runs much cheaper than private health insurance. Social security is also very efficient and doesn't run the risk of default like private pension plans (unless congress sabotages it). But you likely won't accept those examples.
2013-10-15 11:20:09 AM
3 votes:

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.


You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?
2013-10-15 11:14:41 AM
3 votes:
If the ACA sucks so badly, let it fail and then repeal it.  But the GOP isn't worried about that, they're terrified people will try ObamaCare and like it.  And then it will NEVER go away and will be untouchable, like Medicare.
2013-10-15 11:13:52 AM
3 votes:

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...


More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.
2013-10-15 11:04:15 AM
3 votes:

Heliovdrake: The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.YOU GET NOTHING.ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!YOU LOSE!GOOD DAY SIR.


You do realize that assuming that by voting against Romney and for Obama, that's just a statement of "fark romney", and not necessarily a referendum on ACA or anything, right? I voted for Obama because i hated romney. I also hate the ACA because it's a garbage law that doesn't do much to help the situation other than add in new taxes and force insurance companies to take on more people/risk.

So, while the alternative to the ACA is shiattier, if I had my druthers, the ACA would be replaced with comprehensive regulation and price controls for life-saving equipment, medicine, and most care, a basic national plan which private insurers can supplement to add benefit (better coverage for more stuff than the national plan, etc.), and continue to make costs of insurance tax deductible.

Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.
2013-10-15 11:03:23 AM
3 votes:

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


That's what is making the GOP worried.  If they let ACA go through people will find out how good it is and then they will never win another election.  Again GOP only cares about themselvs and not who voted for them.
2013-10-15 11:03:05 AM
3 votes:

James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.


Obama said he'd drop the medical device tax all together.  So this whole battle is over an area where the two parties are in agreement.  Thank you Republicans.
2013-10-15 10:53:36 AM
3 votes:

make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING


They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.
2013-10-15 10:39:12 AM
3 votes:
Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.
2013-10-15 10:07:08 AM
3 votes:
Please proceed, derp heads.
2013-10-16 02:42:05 AM
2 votes:

George Babbitt: Why isn't anybody addressing the fact that the healthcare industry is the crook here?


They are, and the one doing it is the government that you seem to think is conspiring to bilk everyone.

The Department of Health and Human Services released the first ever collection of data on the prices for the 100 most common procedures billed by hospitals, in hopes that it will exert a corrective force to help drive prices down.  You'd better believe that insurance providers are paying attention to that data to use in their negotiations with hospitals, and hospitals will have no more excuse for grossly overcharging when they're no longer having to treat so many uninsured people.
2013-10-15 06:45:06 PM
2 votes:

George Babbitt: There I Was: all-day post extravaganza

If you had been here for all of it and/or read all of it, you would not be coming at me like this.


Actually, you totally deserved that. Your initial post was a whargarbly "I can't afford $178 in insurance for a $60 copay and $6000 deductible" and then we found out that not only can you afford that, but that's not even what your insurance rate would be, and you get insurance through your work. You're full of shiat, and you got called on it numerous times.
2013-10-15 05:00:28 PM
2 votes:
...and the House has finally done it:  They've gone ALL IN, and have stood up at the table:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101087385

The House GOP will vote on a bill that would fund the government and avoid default, a spokesman for Speaker John Boehner told AP.   The bill would fund the shuttered U.S. government until December 15, and raise the debt ceiling until Feb 7th, a source told CNBC.

The proposal would also remove a subsidy to help government employees purchase health care on the new Obamacare exchanges, the source said. The bill would not include, like previous efforts, a delay in the medical device tax.



Last one out, turn out the lights.
2013-10-15 04:37:12 PM
2 votes:
How cute. Harry Reid still thinks that spending bills originate from the Senate. The Senate and the President are going to have to deal with a bill from the House, or the Senate and/or President will be responsible for missing any real or perceived debt limit deadlines and associated consequences.
2013-10-15 02:20:55 PM
2 votes:
I wonder how this would have played out if the Dems asked for concessions as well.

For ACA you'll give us:
Mandatory background checks on gun purchases, magazine size limits, and a permanent assault rifle ban.
Abortion, free and clear, with the Federal statutes trumping all State statutes, including the implementation of FDA guidelines of Mifepristone, Misoprostol, et. al.
Immediate repeal of DOMA with gay marriage being the law of the land, again trumping all State statutes.

Now THAT would be a shiatstorm worth watching.
2013-10-15 02:12:02 PM
2 votes:

Clutch2013: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."

Jesus Christ.

They need to air this shiat all over the networks, then have FBI agents waiting at all their houses.


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2013-10-15 01:48:00 PM
2 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."


Jesus Christ.

They need to air this shiat all over the networks, then have FBI agents waiting at all their houses.
2013-10-15 01:45:01 PM
2 votes:
And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."
2013-10-15 01:26:42 PM
2 votes:

Daraymann: Serious question:  Can we bring these traitors up on charges of treason?


Sedition Conspiracy -  http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
2013-10-15 01:24:38 PM
2 votes:

bulldg4life: Why do people keep saying that the democrats and White House meet Boehner halfway?

Halfway between raising the debt limit or watching the worldwide economy crash?


Because we're an intellectually and morally bankrupt society, particularly in the media.
2013-10-15 12:34:30 PM
2 votes:
Here's how the Senate proposal shapes up:

Republicans get: Income verification
Democrats Get: Delay of reinsurance fee

Here's the new House GOP plan:

Republicans get:

Income verification
Two-year delay of medical device tax
Version of Vitter Amendment
Ban on extraordinary measures

Democrats Get:

House Republicans are still demanding concessions in return for funding the government and not defaulting. It's the same hostage-taking tactics they've been using all along. Boehner and Co. have reduced their ransom demands significantly, which is why there is a lot of optimism that a deal will eventually get done, but it's still ransom. That's why the White House and Senate Democrats are vehemently against this plan.

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2013-10-15 12:32:12 PM
2 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Prophet of Loss: you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?

We do have a centrist party. You may have heard of them, they call themselves The Democrats.


I want to put a farking brick through the Overton window.
2013-10-15 12:29:44 PM
2 votes:

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


You don't live hand to mouth yet you opened this conversation up with the statement that you can't afford $175 a month for insurance. You're either really dumb or full of shiat.
2013-10-15 12:19:59 PM
2 votes:

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


You'd do better to get enrolled in Medicaid and use the extra money from the insurance you're no longer buying to go back to school for better training so you can get a better paying job.

It's not easy, but it's doable.  Good luck.
2013-10-15 12:17:52 PM
2 votes:

George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


You're supposed to take personal responsibility for keeping your family safe and healthy, not for feeding your own pride.
2013-10-15 12:16:39 PM
2 votes:

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


and for you it's "I can't afford it" "I pay too much for crappy coverage just on myself and my kids and wife aren't covered" but when it's pointed out that you and your family would probably qualify for medicaid it's "I don't want to be on the public dole I'd rather my kids be sick or go bankrupt!"
2013-10-15 12:14:36 PM
2 votes:

George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Who says medicaid isn't taking personal responsibility? If you qualify for medicaid, use it. Nothing wrong with being on "the public dole". It's what the rest of us pay taxes for....it allows us to live in a civilized society.

You're coming off as disingenuous. With 4 kids, you're probably making enough to qualify for some serious subsidies (and/or medicaid). What kind of household income are you averaging?
2013-10-15 12:13:32 PM
2 votes:

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


No, it's "if you're in need of assistance to pay for your health insurance because you've got four kids, you probably qualify for the federal healthcare option, and you should probably take it since you already pay taxes and all."
2013-10-15 12:11:51 PM
2 votes:

Peki: Serious Black: Zasteva: Serious Black: Section 1: If, by April 1st, Congress has not approved a common budget between the two chambers, it shall be a privileged motion to call for a vote on any budget resolution that has the support of ten percent of the chamber.

Section 2: If, by October 1st, Congress has not approved and the President has not signed into law all common appropriations bills, all previous appropriations shall be continued, and the Supreme Court shall call an election for all federally elected officials to be held on the first Tuesday of December.

Section 3: Consistent with the intent of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, Congress shall not have the power to limit the borrowing authority of the federal government.

I like it!!

The big concern would be that in this case, the House would refuse to compromise, to force another chance to unseat Obama. I think you would have to add that all sitting members of the House would be ineligible to run again, or possibly all Federal elected officials permanently ineligible for any future elected office.

I can see that possibility happening as well, but then it comes down to a prediction of whether they (or whoever runs in their stead) can win the impending election. Right now, would you bet on the Tea Party being able to usurp Obama or even keep their own seats if they were able to run for re-election? I wouldn't; Obama's approval has dropped something like three points since the start of the shutdown while Republicans in Congress have dropped almost a dozen. If elections were held today, I suspect the Democrats would take the majority in the House by a slim margin.

That said, I'd be okay with a permanent ban on elected officials involved seeking any federal office if it got more people on board with the proposal.

Wish there was a germane way to tack insider trading onto that. You can't tell me this is just coincidence, considering that Congress gutted that law not too long ago.


I'm not sure I would tack it on there since the point is to make the budget funding processes work better, but yes, insider trading is a huge problem. I know it might be sacrilege to say so, but I loved Sean Duffy's proposal to force Congressmen into choosing between a blind trust for all financial assets or immediate reporting of any trades including stocks, bonds, mutual funds, shorts, futures, etc.
2013-10-15 11:51:58 AM
2 votes:

Prophet of Loss: you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?


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2013-10-15 11:48:56 AM
2 votes:

impaler: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

None, besides every other industrial country on the planet.

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Unbelievable that we already spend as much per capita publicly as every other OECD country but we fail to cover everyone with that money.
2013-10-15 11:43:09 AM
2 votes:

GoodyearPimp: GoldSpider: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

I'm sure that's Obama's fault and not your employer or the group insurer they deal with.

Every $250 is an extra abortion at the provider of your choice.


Its almost as if raising rates using obamacare as an excuse will provide the public a reason to resist it and save the healthcare industry's absurd profit margin as well as make some easy short term money.

And stuff
2013-10-15 11:42:05 AM
2 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Civil rights - prior to that you had Jim Crow.

The interstate highway system - prior to that, east-west travel in a timely manner was near impossible.

Rural electrification - prior to that, outside of urban areas, you had either no electricity, were paying through the nose, or only had electricity part of the day.

Air traffic control - prior to that, you had a patchwork of little controlled airspaces or no traffic control at all.

Mandated telephone service - thanks to the FCC, you now have telephone service in every part of the country, E911 service, and number portability. Prior to that, parts of the country weren't served at all, and many others had no 911 service.
2013-10-15 11:31:17 AM
2 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


The public school system.

/Yes, really, go look it up.
//Same with mail service.
///And yes, you need to compare it to what was in place before those existed, not compared to what you wish you had in utopia.
2013-10-15 11:31:00 AM
2 votes:

Having spent two hours talking to House Republicans, my expert investment advice is: Short everything

- daveweigel (@daveweigel) October 15, 2013


Sell, Mortimer! Sell!
2013-10-15 11:29:08 AM
2 votes:

namegoeshere: those with preexisting conditions, etc.?


This is why I tentatively support the ACA.  No other plan put forward by anybody to compete with the ACA addresses this issue, and until something surfaces which does address this problem, I will continue to support the ACA.  Having a preexisting condition should not be a death sentence for somebody outside of the ability to get into an employer group plan.
2013-10-15 11:27:56 AM
2 votes:
GOP suicide, for when you can't admit that the last thirty three years of your world view, social policies, and economics have been bad for the United States. The cognitive dissonance on this one has driven them insane. They really can't admit that for thirty three yeas they have been on the wrong side of history on every economic, every social, and every foreign policy issue.
2013-10-15 11:26:35 AM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com

No changes to the ACA at all, or else they will do this again.
2013-10-15 11:25:16 AM
2 votes:
Ok, to everybody that thinks this is NOT the Republicans fault.

What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?
2013-10-15 11:25:15 AM
2 votes:

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?

It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.


You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

You did know that, right?
2013-10-15 11:15:02 AM
2 votes:
Democrat should add single payer to the CR as a condition of passage.
2013-10-15 11:14:39 AM
2 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Exactly. I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I was able to utilize the WA exchange and find insurance that was better than the insurance we'd had to buy on our own last year that was $500 cheaper each month. Better insurance. Lower deductibles. No copays (versus $40 copays). $500 cheaper per month. And even though we're solidly middle class making more than the median yearly income, we'd get a subsidy to help us pay for the insurance (which is why it was $500 cheaper and not $350).


Here's my story...

Got onto the federal exchange and looked around the plans. I qualify for no subsidies (make too much). The two plans I'm looking for will either drop my kids deductibles from $5k to either A) $2k, or B)zero dollars. Co-pays will go from $25 to either A) $30 or B) $40. My wife's deductible will go from $1K to whatever will be the kids plan. I now will be able to get individual insurance that includes maternity coverage, so I don't have to have my wife on my employer's expensive plans.

Net savings each month? Between $200 or $300, depending on which plan I go with.

Thanks Obama!
2013-10-15 11:13:38 AM
2 votes:

Peki: Sent an email to Senator Warren.

I want to know who owns what stocks, and I want to know right now. Darrel Issa, Ted Cruz, Jim
DeMint, Eric Cantor, and I want Romney's too.

I want to know EXACTLY who is buying shorts right now, because I'll bet anything that's what it's all about.

Take a few million, buy a grip of shorts. Keep leaking news of a "deal" so the market will run up and be optimistic. Sell the profits on the few million you didn't use for short, then buy more shorts.

Step 3: profit, no matter which way this goes.


I've said this ever since Congress reinstituted insider trading for its members. If their going to insider trade, they're going to straddle or short like there's no tomorrow in these situations. They're going to make millions for themselves and their buddies while Americans' 401Ks are going to plummet. Americans will panic and sell at a loss. And whose going to buy up those cheap shares? Yep....
2013-10-15 11:13:10 AM
2 votes:
Can't use the "This is Obama's shutdown" talkingpoint anymore.

Can't use the "Obama refuses to even come to the negotiation table" talkingpoint anymore.

All they're left with is their base motivations from Day 1:  "Gimme what I want, or I shoot the hostage".
2013-10-15 11:13:03 AM
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.


So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.


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Obama


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Tea Tards

2013-10-15 11:12:25 AM
2 votes:

George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...


Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?
2013-10-15 11:11:36 AM
2 votes:

Kit Fister: Heliovdrake: The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.YOU GET NOTHING.ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!YOU LOSE!GOOD DAY SIR.

You do realize that assuming that by voting against Romney and for Obama, that's just a statement of "fark romney", and not necessarily a referendum on ACA or anything, right? I voted for Obama because i hated romney. I also hate the ACA because it's a garbage law that doesn't do much to help the situation other than add in new taxes and force insurance companies to take on more people/risk.

So, while the alternative to the ACA is shiattier, if I had my druthers, the ACA would be replaced with comprehensive regulation and price controls for life-saving equipment, medicine, and most care, a basic national plan which private insurers can supplement to add benefit (better coverage for more stuff than the national plan, etc.), and continue to make costs of insurance tax deductible.

Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.


The GOP made the election a referendum on the ACA and on Obama's policies in general. Didn't pan out.
2013-10-15 11:11:35 AM
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Of course there will -- but for all of us, and not until its too late to avoid.  ...but as for the tea-baggers who created the mess, they'll be affected just like everyone else, but rather than admit their folly, they'll just sit in their burning house and make this expression:

funnycatwallpapers.com

...because hey, who cares if we tank the entire f-ing economy as long as it preserves my God-given right to avoid insurance, then go to the ER when I hurt myself and pin the costs on the hospital.
2013-10-15 11:10:42 AM
2 votes:

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


It really is a Holy War now, isn't it?
2013-10-15 11:10:00 AM
2 votes:

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


"Nearer My God, To Thee" might have been more appropriate.
2013-10-15 11:09:09 AM
2 votes:

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


Well, that's what you usually sing at a funeral.
2013-10-15 11:08:45 AM
2 votes:
Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.
2013-10-15 11:07:41 AM
2 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.


I would vote for death panels if only they applied to members of Congress.
2013-10-15 11:07:31 AM
2 votes:
Isn't the deadline to avoid a default today? WTF are they doing rejecting bipartisan deals at this stage?

Do they farking understand what happens if they overplay their (incredibly weak) hand?
2013-10-15 11:06:56 AM
2 votes:
Benevolent Misanthrope: "Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior."

Not only will there be no consequences for the clowns behind this mess, but the true terrible beauty of the gerry-mandering and crazy-baiting they've accomplished, is that they'd have suffered serious consequences if they *hadn't* done it.
2013-10-15 11:05:46 AM
2 votes:

stovepipe: karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.

Are these considered medical devices?

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If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.


1% of the time they are medical devices.  99% of the time they are lazy fat fark devices.
2013-10-15 11:04:02 AM
2 votes:

Zasteva: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

What have the Democrats done to deserve that?


Nothing,just more "both sides are equally bad" nonsense.
2013-10-15 11:03:56 AM
2 votes:
WHY DO YOU GET TO MAKE A COUNTER OFFER WHEN THE ONLY THING BEING ASKED OF YOU IS THAT YOU PERFORM ONE OF YOUR MOST BASIC JOB RESPONSIBILITIES!?

Arrrrgh... I wish I could just walk into work and make new demands every day to do that for which I was hired in the first place.

Smeggy Smurf: They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.


Indeed. Go slay that giant you crazy sons of biatches.

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2013-10-15 11:01:59 AM
2 votes:

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


What have the Democrats done to deserve that?
2013-10-15 11:01:56 AM
2 votes:
No Medical Device Tax huh?

I thought Cantor got up in front of the House on the eve of the shutdown and said that the pubs weren't working for the special treatment of big business? God you guys have a short memory. Sadly, I think voters have even a shorter one.
2013-10-15 11:01:44 AM
2 votes:
I'm just going to stand 40 yards away and watch how this plays out.
2013-10-15 10:44:31 AM
2 votes:

nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.


It makes you double hitler + one Half Stalin or if we convert it to Benghazis its only 3/100ths of a benghazi
2013-10-16 08:57:22 AM
1 votes:

Gawdzila: The Department of Health and Human Services released the first ever collection of data on the prices for the 100 most common procedures billed by hospitals, in hopes that it will exert a corrective force to help drive prices down. You'd better believe that insurance providers are paying attention to that data to use in their negotiations with hospitals, and hospitals will have no more excuse for grossly overcharging when they're no longer having to treat so many uninsured people.


What that is very interesting.

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2013-10-15 09:36:31 PM
1 votes:

fartacus: How cute. Harry Reid still thinks that spending bills originate from the Senate. The Senate and the President are going to have to deal with a bill from the House, or the Senate and/or President will be responsible for missing any real or perceived debt limit deadlines and associated consequences.


Hey, drooling moron; do you know the difference between authoring a bill and sponsoring a bill?
2013-10-15 05:28:33 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: Grand_Moff_Joseph: ...and the House has finally done it:  They've gone ALL IN, and have stood up at the table:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101087385

The House GOP will vote on a bill that would fund the government and avoid default, a spokesman for Speaker John Boehner told AP.   The bill would fund the shuttered U.S. government until December 15, and raise the debt ceiling until Feb 7th, a source told CNBC.

The proposal would also remove a subsidy to help government employees purchase health care on the new Obamacare exchanges, the source said. The bill would not include, like previous efforts, a delay in the medical device tax.


Last one out, turn out the lights.

They did pull out the delay in the tax.

Wow.

Now the staffers will just resign.


So, their final offer is to cleanly raise the debt limit and the shutdown and throw their own staffers under the bus?

#WINNING!

or not
2013-10-15 03:30:32 PM
1 votes:

IRQ12: hat's a neat chart showing  revenue from some place.  That addresses record  stockprice gains how?


Stock prices are dependent on revenue, not the other way around.

PS, that "some place" is the largest health insurance company in the US.
2013-10-15 02:48:26 PM
1 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


the interstate highways
the moon landing
the internet
2013-10-15 02:43:06 PM
1 votes:

ArkPanda: It's not just about whether the Treasury can issue new bonds though.  It's about every person and organization on earth treating those bonds as 100% reliable and ironclad.  That's why people are talking about the whole system collapsing.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the Republicans go on TV telling people not to accept new bonds.


That confidence collapse is already happening. Some big players have moved out of Treasuries that mature in the next couple weeks. Treasuries that mature in the next couple weeks have higher yields than longer-term ones (reflecting some doubt they'll get paid back on time).

Markets take in new information pretty quickly, and it's not like the upcoming default is a surprise to anyone at this point.
2013-10-15 02:19:58 PM
1 votes:

TNel: George Babbitt: And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.

So let's use the Republicans plan for healthcare..... could you please let me know what that is because I am failing to find any plan other than Romney's "We have a plan but we won't tell you what it is until you take away the ACA"


That's the joke, the ACA *is* the Republican's plan for healthcare.  You might know it as Romneycare, or the plan floated by the Heritage Foundation during the Clinton Administration.
2013-10-15 02:14:37 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."


From your link"Timing is very important here. They're going to be more motivated to take this up. Otherwise, they miss the Thursday deadline."

Sure, jackass, THEY are the people that would miss the deadline.  The public certainly wouldn't turn on the people who deliberately LEFT TOWN to avoid a vote.

namegoeshere: Does that count as force?

Force need not be physical.


I don't think it does.  Not being there doesn't require that the other party vote a particular way.  They aren't threatening to release damaging information in exchange for a vote they want, or threatening loved ones.  They are simply using time to add political pressure.  It's a dick move, and it will play poorly in the press, but it isn't an application of force.
2013-10-15 02:11:41 PM
1 votes:

Heliovdrake: The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.YOU GET NOTHING.ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!YOU LOSE!GOOD DAY SIR.


And they are going to blame it all on Obama.
2013-10-15 02:09:56 PM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: Why isn't anybody addressing the fact that the healthcare industry is the crook here?


The ACA adresses that issue in about a half dozen solid ways. But they are boring little things. Like putting in place minimum plan definitions to make insurers offer equivalent products that can be compared apples to apples. Or requiring insurance spends a minimum percentage of premium collected on healthcare so their lawyers can't be a profit center. Or measures to combat Medicare fraud (estimated to return $17 in savings for every $1 spent in increased enforcement). Or electronic medical records, or coordinated care initiatives, or funding pilot cost containment programs, or penalties for readmissions costs (if a hospital farks up a procedure, they don't get paid/profit again fixing their error)...

And no one is still reading, which is why nobody is reporting on the measures taken to reign in the healthcare industry costs.
2013-10-15 02:04:44 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Infernalist: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."

That seems like that would push beyond the limits of acceptability and into 'sedition' territory.

Can you imagine this:  Obama goes for god-mode trolling and stands on the Capitol steps while Federal Marshals lead the House GOP leadership away in handcuffs.

The sheer multitude of exploding heads would silence talk radio forever, lulz.


Nah, God mode trolling would involve using the Constitution to pass everything while Congress is away...and it's all legal.

The TP would b*tch, the Republicans would b*tch, but it would be along the lines of Obama trolling Trump at the WHCD.
2013-10-15 02:01:21 PM
1 votes:

namegoeshere: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."

Does that count as force?

Force need not be physical.


by a strict reading, yes, it does.
2013-10-15 02:00:57 PM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much

Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.

What the fark are you talking about? $450/month to cover 6 people isn't a lot of money. That's $900 per person for the entire year. ($450x12months=$5400/year; $5400/6 people=$900)


Depends.   Is it 900$ per person no matter if they get sick or not?  Is the deductable 8000?  Some people might not think that paying 5400 dollars, just for the privilege of paying for the next 8000 dollars before benefits kick in, to be a a great deal.   I guess if you routinely have 15,000 of medical expenses, it might be good.
2013-10-15 02:00:18 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."


Does that count as force?

Force need not be physical.
2013-10-15 01:53:29 PM
1 votes:

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


The Junior Senator, from IL, was indulging in a beau geste (2006 was just boffo - what `limit'?).  Read the entire floor speech, it ain't what's being highlighted for the foxbound.  Something about PAY-GO no longer being applied to tax cuts (Bush tax cuts with no commensurate reduction in spending), no increases in taxes to cover wars/Medicare Part D.  PAY-GO for spending only - yeah, the deficits don't matter bushiates loved that, and Obama was urinating into the wind.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2006-03-16/pdf/CREC-2006-03-16-pt1 -P gS2236.pdf

Kind of like Newt & the Contract With America cabal arriving in DC and, within a year, the Gephardt (deemed to pass) solution to debt ceiling was nixed and the out-of-regular-order debt limit was being used as a hostage when it served their purpose (SOS, eh?).
2013-10-15 01:46:42 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."


That seems like that would push beyond the limits of acceptability and into 'sedition' territory.
2013-10-15 01:46:41 PM
1 votes:

Xenomech: Hey, it worked for the black vote.


Your idiotic troll becomes doubly stupid when you realize democrats have gotten 90% black vote for 50 years.
2013-10-15 01:37:21 PM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: Why do people keep saying that the democrats and White House meet Boehner halfway?

Halfway between raising the debt limit or watching the worldwide economy crash?


If a functioning economy is the "compromise" position, then the teabagger starting position is that the US economy should be destroyed.
2013-10-15 01:34:15 PM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.


So let's use the Republicans plan for healthcare..... could you please let me know what that is because I am failing to find any plan other than Romney's "We have a plan but we won't tell you what it is until you take away the ACA"
2013-10-15 01:32:53 PM
1 votes:

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.

I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of making themselves "martyrs" to the TP cause.  I'd rather see them and the TP humiliated on a national stage next year when many of the incumbents/nominees that pledge themselves to the TP lose by a wide margin.

That's over a year away. And I can't imagine how much more damage these lunatics can do in that time.


Me neither; the fact that it'll be fresh in the voters' minds come next year is my lone comfort.  I'd opt for a very narrow (1 or 2 seat) GOP House majority and even those seats were won by 1% or less.

Then the ball's in the TPs court:  Continue down the road you've been going, then see Democrats nominate a candidate which will appeal to moderates, then see said Democratic Presidential candidate win with a significant margin, then see the ripple effect being Dems regain the House and retain the Senate.  Then see moderate Republicans join with Democrats and leave you out in the cold.

Then again, the TPers seem to have a Jim Jones-esque mentality, which is frightening to contemplate.
2013-10-15 01:30:27 PM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much

Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.


What the fark are you talking about? $450/month to cover 6 people isn't a lot of money. That's $900 per person for the entire year. ($450x12months=$5400/year; $5400/6 people=$900)
2013-10-15 01:28:34 PM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: KellyX: I recently took a voluntarily pay cut for the last 2 months now

wat


I work 5 days a week, but get paid for 4 days a week... everyone at the company has done it to help keep the business' head afloat.

We went from having our best 2-3 years post-economy depression, to having our worse year in a long time since the sequester started.
2013-10-15 01:26:58 PM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much


Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.
2013-10-15 01:23:25 PM
1 votes:

Rwa2play: Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.

I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of making themselves "martyrs" to the TP cause.  I'd rather see them and the TP humiliated on a national stage next year when many of the incumbents/nominees that pledge themselves to the TP lose by a wide margin.


That's over a year away. And I can't imagine how much more damage these lunatics can do in that time.
2013-10-15 01:19:40 PM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: We were forking over $1200/month for COBRA, and then $780/month for insurance for two non-smokers


Insanity.  No one should have to shell out $14,400/yr for COBRA.  My dad is looking at COBRA (going to retire and lose his very good work benefits) and he's "lucky" enough that he can replace his house payment with a COBRA payment.

This is why reform is needed.  The system is just too expensive.
2013-10-15 01:17:34 PM
1 votes:
Serious question:  Can we bring these traitors up on charges of treason?
2013-10-15 01:06:12 PM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage. WAAAAA Obamacare sucks because I get insurance from my employer. Or, WAAAAAAAA Obamacare sucks because I can totally afford to spend $450 to cover my wife and four kids!


favorited: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much
2013-10-15 12:54:06 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Are Boner and the rest of them meth heads or what?


No, they have just fallen into a lot of cognitive dissonance.  Their social, economic, and foreign policies that they have believed in for the last thirty three years have proven time and again to be utter and complete failures. The only thing they can understand to do is to cling harder to those same policies with the idea that this time restricitng the rights of a minority, reducing the role government plays in peoples lives, and screwing with other nations will work.

They truly believe that they are right and if we would all just go along with the program the US will enter a new golden age, despite being proven wrong on everything for the last thirty three years. That much cognitive dissonance will drive anybody crazy.
2013-10-15 12:51:12 PM
1 votes:
The GOP is going to make sure we default.  They see the good times and budget surplus under Clinton as purely a result of the contract with America.  They see that everyone loves Clinton and gives them no credit for the late 90s.  Well this time around they are going the other direction, they are gonna crash the economy just so that 20 years from now people will hopefully look back on Obama and say that he was bad.  They literally want to do it because they think Obama will get blamed.  They no longer have any political goals or ideas it's just do everything they can to make Obama look bad and try to mess things up because they can't make the country better when a Democrat is in the White House.
It's pretty farked up and the debt limit particularly so.  They can raise the debt limit by just saying we raise the debt limit, just like that basically wave a magic wand and no more default or threat of default hanging over the economies head but they won't do it because they hate America because America had the audacity to elect a Democratic president.
2013-10-15 12:36:42 PM
1 votes:

NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.


I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.
2013-10-15 12:34:10 PM
1 votes:
I put the bad-math troll on ignore and Seventy Seven posts vanished from this thread.

wtf, people.
2013-10-15 12:31:53 PM
1 votes:

Detinwolf: Reading this made me realize just how good my health benefits are.  Honestly I am one of those people that benefit more under the current system than ACA.  However, by not being a sociopath, I realize that ACA is better for society as a whole than the current system.


Same here, my insurance is going to change for the worse by a little but if it helps everyone then so be it.
2013-10-15 12:30:42 PM
1 votes:

Heliovdrake: Infernalist: bluorangefyre: Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?

Sedition fits.  Treason doesn't.

The only thing missing from the 'sedition' charges is that Sedition requires that the accused to have used 'force' to keep legislated law from being put into effect.

Force in this kind of case in not exclusively physical.


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2013-10-15 12:30:26 PM
1 votes:

Prophet of Loss: you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?


We do have a centrist party. You may have heard of them, they call themselves The Democrats.
2013-10-15 12:30:20 PM
1 votes:

Infernalist: The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.

Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.


Oregon is a bit different. Liberals are primarily the creamy center.
2013-10-15 12:29:49 PM
1 votes:
Meet John Boehner's new problem. Same as his old problem

Those facts repeatedly leave Boehner with only two choices: 1) Propose legislation favored by the most conservative wing of the party, ensuring unity in his ranks but dooming the bill in the Senate or 2) Accept that a compromise bill will have to pass with a majority of Democratic votes and the very real possibility of a minority of Republicans ones. The first option means we could be headed for default. The second means that Boehner's speakership would effectively be over.
Rock, meet hard place.

[He] would see the realm burn if he could be king of the ashes...
2013-10-15 12:27:45 PM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Also, the cost of a bronze plan is capped at 8% of your yearly income. If the costs come in higher than that, you're allowed to just buy catastrophic coverage.

"Affordability exemption: An individual is exempt from the individual mandate for any month for which the individual does not have access to affordable MEC. For this purpose, an individual is considered to not have access to affordable coverage for a month if the individual's required contribution (determined on an annual basis) for coverage for the month exceeds 8% of the taxpayer's household income for the tax year."

But don't let that assuage your derp. You stated above that it would cost $450 for your family. You've got 4 kids and a wife. $450 a month for coverage is AWESOME. shiat, we were spending $780/month for two non-smoking adults just last year. I'd LOVE to spend only $450!
2013-10-15 12:27:16 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.


Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.
2013-10-15 12:26:48 PM
1 votes:

kidgenius: George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?

Who says medicaid isn't taking personal responsibility? If you qualify for medicaid, use it. Nothing wrong with being on "the public dole". It's what the rest of us pay taxes for....it allows us to live in a civilized society.

You're coming off as disingenuous. With 4 kids, you're probably making enough to qualify for some serious subsidies (and/or medicaid). What kind of household income are you averaging?


Think you guys missed the part where he said: "have a great-grandfathered plan with mobile carrier going back 25 years and it's cheaper than any contract you've ever heard of,"

If you had a mobile back in 1988, you were probably doing pretty damn well.    And quite frankly, I've heard of $35/mo plans (via Virgin Mobile).  How much cheaper is your 1988 grandfathered plan?

In addition, he/she states " and we never eat out as we abstain from all artificial food additives ".I seriously doubt that he/she can't afford health care cause they're providing natural wholefoods/organics for the entire brood.


Ya'll are getting trolled by an anti-Obamacare advocate with a weak backstory and poor mastery of math.
2013-10-15 12:23:05 PM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: Kuroshin: h(&G9UFGIUHBFQ9 7FHH I didn't read the other comments to see that you do currently have insurance. ouhuiheiuphfgipsbgipyusgkjbg;kjb


Seriously, the more you know.



You mean the other posts that didn't exist when I was typing that response because I had to go do something in the middle of typing it up?  Yeah, I can honestly say I didn't read comments that I couldn't have read because they weren't on my page at the time.  You see, Fark isn't a chat system, so the thread doesn't pause while in the middle of posting.

And my post wasn't actually about you, even though my response was to a comment that was in itself a response to you.  See, if my post had been in response to you, or directly about you, I would have responded directly, or at the very least made a pointed remark directed at you.  I did neither, so get your ass off that cross - even with insurance, crucifixion is a crippling expense.

It would be against the rules to tell you the names of those it was actually about (calling out other Farkers is a no-no), but suffice it to say that the "but I don't need it" refrain is very common around here.

So that's a big "go fark yourself" on both counts.
2013-10-15 12:22:49 PM
1 votes:
Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?
2013-10-15 12:21:58 PM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


George Babbitt: We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


SO THE PROBLEM HAS SOLVED ITSELF.
2013-10-15 12:20:06 PM
1 votes:

Bloody William: George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?

You're supposed to take personal responsibility for keeping your family safe and healthy, not for feeding your own pride.


yeah pride won't get your kid medicine when it needs it.
2013-10-15 12:15:49 PM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Moving the goalposts.

I can't afford healthcare

Why? $x isn't a bad rate.

I can't afford that.

If you REALLY can't afford it you will get subsidies.

Well that's the individual plan, I need the family plan.

So spend less.

I can't, I have four kids.

Then if you can't afford $x or $x+4 kids, then you qualify for medicaid probably.

YOU WANT ME ON THE PUBLIC ROLLS???? HOW OUTRAGEOUS.


Seriously, you need to stfu and gtfo you goal post moving disengenuous troll.
2013-10-15 12:14:10 PM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Signing up for Medicaid is more responsible than not buying insurance at all.
2013-10-15 12:13:13 PM
1 votes:

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.

Healthcare is mostly overpriced to cover the cost of the uninsured getting healthcare and not being able to pay for it.

Obamacare will fix that.


it should help yes. because as it is we have a system that allows people to get emergency care (the most expensive) and dump it on the taxpayer and they pay nothing. the state covers it. the hospitals eat some of the cost. the people paying insurance premiums eat some of the cost. etc. now at least they're mandated to have some skin in the game.
2013-10-15 12:11:54 PM
1 votes:

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


And, like an adult, he has since said his vote was wrong and naive.

What's your side's excuse?
2013-10-15 12:08:15 PM
1 votes:

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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www.rigsofrods.com

1-media-cdn.foolz.us
2013-10-15 12:07:14 PM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.


Healthcare is mostly overpriced to cover the cost of the uninsured getting healthcare and not being able to pay for it.

Obamacare will fix that.
2013-10-15 12:06:42 PM
1 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


The federal government is far from perfect, but it has done quite a lot of good over the past couple of centuries.

The U.S. military is more effective than an assortment of local militias would be.

The Interstate Highway System is far, far better than the interconnected network of state roads used to be.

Rural Electrification has been a tremendous socio-economic boon to many areas.

Social Security has been going strong for 75 years now, and old people don't go dying in the streets anymore.

The FDA has made our food supply significantly healthier, and enacted reliable standards for drugs.

Building and maintaining our energy and communications infrastructures would have been nearly impossible without various government programs.

I can go on, if you like.
2013-10-15 12:04:13 PM
1 votes:

CaptSS: Any one given thought to Jan 2015 when the insurance companies adjust the premiums, for both exchange and company plans? If you automatically think rates will go down because more people participate, you are delusional.


Seeing as how any increase of more than 10% requires the insurance companies to publicly justify it, and the new 80/20 rule, it will likely keep increases to a minimum.
2013-10-15 12:02:59 PM
1 votes:

Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.


I've often thought the greater Seattle area might be a cool place to live.
2013-10-15 11:59:04 AM
1 votes:

CaptSS: Any one given thought to Jan 2015 when the insurance companies adjust the premiums, for both exchange and company plans? If you automatically think rates will go down because more people participate, you are delusional.


Isn't that just about the same time people can vote for single-payer?
2013-10-15 11:58:57 AM
1 votes:

Infernalist: ciberido: Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.

Did you forget to switch to your other alt before posting again, Mike?

Don't be silly, Mike isn't an alt.  And he's allowed to second his own post, cause reasons.


RangerTaylor: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

My God, you're incredible.  Brevity, direction, clarity.  You are my farking hero Mike.

9/10, you forgot 'libtard'


There is a reason why Mike isn't on my ignore list.
2013-10-15 11:58:17 AM
1 votes:

CaptSS: Any one given thought to Jan 2015 when the insurance companies adjust the premiums, for both exchange and company plans? If you automatically think rates will go down because more people participate, you are delusional.


The 80/20 stipulation will take care of that.
2013-10-15 11:58:07 AM
1 votes:

Valiente: Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?

Check your next 401k statement. Consequences will indeed be felt.


Yeah, I have been considering moving some funds around to try to profit from the mess these assholes have made. You know they are doing it too.
2013-10-15 11:57:41 AM
1 votes:

Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.


Oh no! Are you stuck in the south too? I wonder if there's some kind of support group for blue Farkers stuck in scary red states...
2013-10-15 11:54:28 AM
1 votes:

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


You know the difference between Conservatives and normal mammals is: Conservatives are incapable of admitting they were wrong, nor are they capable of changing their positions if some new scenario changes the variables. I am thrilled that we have a President that sees the error in his statement.

Answer me one thing: what actually is the tangible issue with raising the debt ceiling? I mean literally: what would be so bad? Tangibly. I don't mean some "we need to pay our bills durr hurr" crap. I mean literally: what actually happens as a direct, line-of-sight, definite or nearly certain result?

Then ask yourself the same question with regards to a country defaulting. Hint: listen to the Germans, Chinese, Japanese, British, or pretty much all the business leaders and economists in the US if you don't believe foreigners.

Which is worse? Immediately as well as long term?
2013-10-15 11:53:52 AM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?

Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.


So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.
2013-10-15 11:53:17 AM
1 votes:
The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,


YOU LOST.


YOU GET NOTHING.


ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!


YOU LOSE!


GOOD DAY SIR.

2013-10-15 11:52:30 AM
1 votes:

Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.


Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.
2013-10-15 11:52:21 AM
1 votes:

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


Really? Can you show me one time Obama said we have a spending problem?
2013-10-15 11:50:15 AM
1 votes:

InmanRoshi: Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.

And now we're going to see the fundamental problem.   The House is going to have to propose to unified counter proposal, but they're inherently unable to do so.    Their motivations run the gambit from wanting to pass a "clean" CR to Neo-Conferederate insurgents intentionally attempting to sabotage the federal government from the inside.


That's been the problem from the start.  Boehner is going to have to break the Hastert rule and look to the Democrats for support.
2013-10-15 11:50:01 AM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


It's called never voting Republican again. Not even once. Other than that, if you mean by legal means, unless and until President Obama exploits executive privilege, then probably not.
2013-10-15 11:49:40 AM
1 votes:
I heard this on the radio this morning and nearly facepalmed myself off the road.

Really Boeher?

Really?

970biking.com
2013-10-15 11:49:38 AM
1 votes:

Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.


My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.
2013-10-15 11:48:52 AM
1 votes:

Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.


And now we're going to see the fundamental problem.   The House is going to have to propose to unified counter proposal, but they're inherently unable to do so.    Their motivations run the gambit from wanting to pass a "clean" CR to Neo-Conferederate insurgents intentionally attempting to sabotage the federal government from the inside.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 11:47:46 AM
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)


Food inspection.
Mass emergency management and recovery
Centralizing issues of health safety. (CDC, NIH)
Coordinating communications resources (the hated FCC)
Lists of other things that don't make a profit but HAVE to be done.

None of that is roses either, all of it is a mess in practice... but it has to be done.
2013-10-15 11:47:29 AM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.


So you haven't actually looked into this at all, you're just sure that you'll be screwed over.
2013-10-15 11:47:29 AM
1 votes:

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]


Rubio?

Yea, all you need is a latino and all the latinos will vote for you, of course...they are really stupid like that.  Proceed, GOP

Have a drink

cdn.theatlanticwire.com
2013-10-15 11:45:28 AM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.


And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?
2013-10-15 11:44:35 AM
1 votes:

Peki: Sent an email to Senator Warren.

I want to know who owns what stocks, and I want to know right now. Darrel Issa, Ted Cruz, Jim
DeMint, Eric Cantor, and I want Romney's too.

I want to know EXACTLY who is buying shorts right now, because I'll bet anything that's what it's all about.

Take a few million, buy a grip of shorts. Keep leaking news of a "deal" so the market will run up and be optimistic. Sell the profits on the few million you didn't use for short, then buy more shorts.

Step 3: profit, no matter which way this goes.


THIS
2013-10-15 11:43:26 AM
1 votes:
2013-10-15 11:42:08 AM
1 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.



Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)
2013-10-15 11:41:11 AM
1 votes:

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]


Eh...the cartoon is both right and not right.

1. Redistricting only lasts 10 years, and we're now down to 8. That's still quite a while, but it's not "permanent" like the cartoon says.
2. A lot of these new districts (especially here in NC) were drawn in a way that creates more, but weaker, GOP-friendly districts. They aren't all fireproof. A heavy anti-GOP sentiment, like the current one, could topple several of them.
3. The current budget situation may have destroyed the GOP's chance to get the Senate.
4. No way is anyone going to elect another Bush. Rubio is a possibility.
2013-10-15 11:37:12 AM
1 votes:

d23: 2wolves: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

Look.  It's a noob.  Point and laugh at the noob.

It's a hard argument to make to someone that is infected with today's common strain of mass selfishness, but there are a lot of people going from $800 or more a month down to the low hundreds or less.  There is massive re-balancing of the system going on...


Yep, I'm saving over $200 a month, it just makes sense:  millions of people who used to pay nothing now have to pay.  If you were paying before, now you're going to pay less.
2013-10-15 11:34:36 AM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.


All part of the extinction behavior, right now we are seeing an extinction burst. See when attempting to extinguish a behavior you get more of the bad behavior as the subject attempts to get rewarded. For these poor dumb Republican beasts the extinction burst has been extreme, but reorganization is starting to occur and in three months the Republican animals behavior will be less then it is today as the reward has proven to have been taken away.

Hence the fight in three months will be less then it is today, unless of course the Senate and President does reward the Republican beast with something, like stopping the medical device tax. This is all about training the irrational dumb Republican beast like any good behavioral psychologist should.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 11:33:08 AM
1 votes:

silo123j: Looks like I have to write to Mr. Cantor... AGAIN.


Do you have corporate money to give him?  If not don't bother.
2013-10-15 11:32:11 AM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: kidgenius: It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.

You want a return on your investment huh? How about you not being bankrupt and penniless if, god forbid, you had a major medical event occur. THAT'S THE POINT OF INSURANCE!

If you want a slight return on your investment, get an HSA compatible plan and put some money into it. You get a tax break on the money you put into the HSA and once you've got enough to in there to make you feel comfortable, you'll have lower rates.

I was merely stating that the scrip only costs $4 without insurance, not that I don't have any. Geez.


I didn't say you don't have it, I was saying that the return on your investment will come if you got sick. Want to get an immediate return? Go do something that will get you sick and require hospitalization. Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.
2013-10-15 11:31:28 AM
1 votes:

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


Look.  It's a noob.  Point and laugh at the noob.
2013-10-15 11:29:39 AM
1 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


None, besides every other industrial country on the planet.

newshour.s3.amazonaws.com
2013-10-15 11:27:50 AM
1 votes:

InmanRoshi: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

This takes an appalling amount of ignorance of American History.

I suggest you read up on where our economy stood and what it looked like before the Federal Reserve was established.   And I'm talking about from reputable source of History and Economics, not a 3 page Paulite pamphlet with lotsa pictures of Eagles and Flags.


They could also compare and contrast the end of World War II and the end of the Iraq war and how the veterans fared in combat and post-service. We had 30 years of amazing change and economic growth in the country due to the WWII GI Bil. l can't say the same for the country after the debacle of Iraq.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 11:27:36 AM
1 votes:
There isn't a corporate dick that Eric Cantor wouldn't suck.
2013-10-15 11:27:17 AM
1 votes:

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


I'm sure that's Obama's fault and not your employer or the group insurer they deal with.
2013-10-15 11:25:24 AM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?


I know that I do not want to spend my money for your lazy cheap ass to have emergency only care when you take your busted stupid ass into the ER.

Act like an adult and farking pay your fair share asshole.
2013-10-15 11:24:09 AM
1 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


This takes an appalling amount of ignorance of American History.

I suggest you read up on where our economy stood and what it looked like before the Federal Reserve was established.   And I'm talking about from reputable source of History and Economics, not a 3 page Paulite pamphlet with lotsa pictures of Eagles and Flags.
2013-10-15 11:23:05 AM
1 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


1) Do everything you can to screw up the government.

2) Campaign on the premise that government is screwed up and we need less of it.

3) Profit.
2013-10-15 11:22:50 AM
1 votes:

Aquapope: Lets talk 17 Repubs in rock solid not-gonna-get-primaried districts into changing to Democrats for 1 week.  That changes the majority to Dem, we elect a new speaker of the house


More realistic (and with precedence) is Democrats agree to support/vote for Boehner as Speaker if he agrees to put bills up for a vote and gets challenged for it. Boehner is sane, just spineless. And for Democrats imagine their image boost if they are shown keeping their word and begrudgingly, but honorably, protecting Boehner's flank from the Republican crazies.
2013-10-15 11:22:24 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

That's likely because your boss is a dick.


Sock profile, check the date.
2013-10-15 11:22:13 AM
1 votes:
The best part was the GOP Congressman saying "we shouldn't give big businesses special treatment" without beshatting his Armani from laughing so hard
2013-10-15 11:19:40 AM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.


Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?
2013-10-15 11:19:09 AM
1 votes:

Copperbelly watersnake: One of our state's Congressional Tea Party twits was quoted in the paper talking about how default would be great in the long run because it will bring federal spending under control. The human mind's ability to rationalize is a frightening thing. These people have no guilt about what they are doing bc they have convinced themselves they are 100% in the right.


These are the same people who said we should have let the banks fail so that we could go through a quick depression.
2013-10-15 11:18:40 AM
1 votes:

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]


Lol... The fact that Rubio and Bush are put forth as possible Presidents by the GOP is hysterical.
2013-10-15 11:17:24 AM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: DarnoKonrad: George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?

That's embarrassing.



You're the one complaining you can't afford 175 bucks a month.    Being a worthless troll must not pay much eh?
2013-10-15 11:17:14 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: For everyone complaining about the ACA, can you please actually pay attention to what the House is doing here. The House's entire move here is simply replacing a benefit to employers and unions with a benefit to medical device manufacturers. There's no fight here about Obamacare - it's purely them wanting to fark unions at the expense of industry donors. This is what they are fighting over at this point.


And if they don't get their way, they'll gut the US economy.
2013-10-15 11:16:29 AM
1 votes:

make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING


This is SOP for the republicans.

Next they will blame the failing system on the program rather than their crippling of it.
2013-10-15 11:15:13 AM
1 votes:

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


That's likely because your boss is a dick.
2013-10-15 11:14:57 AM
1 votes:
nekom: "Then they shouldn't have named it Obamacare. That stands to really backfire on them."

Flip-flopping and re-branding that thing wouldn't take them a second.
It'll be back to RomneyCare just in time to rehabilitate Mitt's image before one, or several, of his sons make a Congressional run.
These people are effortless masters at double-think.
2013-10-15 11:14:40 AM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: but I was able to utilize the WA exchange and find insurance that was better than the insurance we'd had to buy on our own last year that was $500 cheaper each month. Better insurance. Lower deductibles. No copays (versus $40 copays). $500 cheaper per month. And even though we're solidly middle class making more than the median yearly income, we'd get a subsidy to help us pay for the insurance (which is why it was $500 cheaper and not $350).


Our experience as well (NY). Our insurance was more than our mortgage, for shiat coverage with an insane deductible that we never even came close to hitting, and wouldn't have without a hospitalization or a major illness. We couldn't afford it. With the ACA we can afford to insure our family. We are middle class small business owners. Not poor people.
2013-10-15 11:14:03 AM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


then pay the fine
2013-10-15 11:13:48 AM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


farking Constitution.  How does it work?
2013-10-15 11:13:08 AM
1 votes:

you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!


Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?
2013-10-15 11:13:05 AM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


And not a single wretch was saved that day.
2013-10-15 11:12:56 AM
1 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Medicare. VA Hospitals.

There's two that operate cheaper and more efficiently than the private sector.
2013-10-15 11:12:11 AM
1 votes:
If some of the reporting is right, and the House is going to pass this piece of shiat and then skip down, we are well and truly farked.
2013-10-15 11:11:52 AM
1 votes:

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


It is apparent that a lot more happens in this country than you are aware of.

2/10
2013-10-15 11:11:09 AM
1 votes:
I'm all for a 3rd party. Lets elect cats.
2013-10-15 11:10:05 AM
1 votes:

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).
2013-10-15 11:10:00 AM
1 votes:

Beeblebrox: stovepipe: karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.

Are these considered medical devices?

[i.imgur.com image 494x743]

If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.

1% of the time they are medical devices.  99% of the time they are lazy fat fark devices.


Can you imagine the blow to the economy if the people who had been handing them out for "free" had to pay tax on them?  Worse than the Great Depression and Weimar Republic!
2013-10-15 11:09:27 AM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


i.imgur.com
2013-10-15 11:08:59 AM
1 votes:
No, and Fuc* you.
2013-10-15 11:08:56 AM
1 votes:
Calling the president "Fartbongo"... theres some real 2nd grade playground levels of insulting ... If you are going to do this... why not think of something better for my eyes to glance across?

/Just askin
2013-10-15 11:08:55 AM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


Oh FFS....

The problem with this whole thing is that it is impossible to reason with ideology. I'm sure we could dig up a number of pubs from 2001 stating this....
2013-10-15 11:08:45 AM
1 votes:

nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.


I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.
2013-10-15 11:08:19 AM
1 votes:
OKAY, DERP IS COMING OUT
2013-10-15 11:08:03 AM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


There will be dramatic consequences. Just not for the people responsible.
2013-10-15 11:07:19 AM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.


So you agree, then, that giving the GOP House wasn't a referendum to repeal it either.
2013-10-15 11:07:16 AM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


Good God,they are completely insane.
2013-10-15 11:07:05 AM
1 votes:

Zasteva: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

What have the Democrats done to deserve that?


Both sides suck.  The difference is that the Democrats suck like eating a half-pound of sugar every day.  Eventually you will develop diabetes.  The Republicans suck like eating a teaspoon of arsenic.
2013-10-15 11:06:02 AM
1 votes:

House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.

- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013
2013-10-15 11:06:00 AM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Not for the baggers, no. They see a default as a victory.
2013-10-15 11:01:49 AM
1 votes:
They're terrorists. They're totally in-farking-sane and they only want to see this nation bleed. This time SEAL Team 6 can just cruise over from their base directly in minutes. No need for violations of airspace or anything. Just go and get 'em.
2013-10-15 10:55:32 AM
1 votes:
photos.imageevent.com
2013-10-15 10:54:44 AM
1 votes:
Methinks the Tree of Liberty is getting mighty thirsty.
2013-10-15 10:51:41 AM
1 votes:
So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING
2013-10-15 10:31:02 AM
1 votes:
Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?
2013-10-15 10:13:43 AM
1 votes:
Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.
2013-10-15 10:09:51 AM
1 votes:
I love it when a self-fulfilling prophecy comes together!
 
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