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(Talking Points Memo)   Senate GOP: Simmer down, we found a way out of this mess. House GOP: Well, then we'll just issue another counter offer with attacks on Obamacare then. HA   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2013-10-15 10:07:08 AM  
Please proceed, derp heads.
 
2013-10-15 10:08:45 AM  
But remember, folks, the Democrats are the ones prolonging this by refusing to make any concessions.
 
2013-10-15 10:09:51 AM  
I love it when a self-fulfilling prophecy comes together!
 
2013-10-15 10:10:18 AM  
Newsflash? Really?
 
2013-10-15 10:12:01 AM  

ginandbacon: Newsflash? Really?


Aw, cr@p!  That's what I get for using the mouse wheel and not double checking which field had focus on it when I scrolled.  :(  *self chairshot*

Mods, feel free to change that to non-news flash if you want.  My apologies to all.
 
2013-10-15 10:13:43 AM  
Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.
 
2013-10-15 10:25:42 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: ginandbacon: Newsflash? Really?

Aw, cr@p!  That's what I get for using the mouse wheel and not double checking which field had focus on it when I scrolled.  :(  *self chairshot*

Mods, feel free to change that to non-news flash if you want.  My apologies to all.


LOL you're arright mang :)
 
2013-10-15 10:26:04 AM  
Taxation without representation!

herpa-derpa-doo!
 
2013-10-15 10:28:43 AM  

The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.

YOU GET NOTHING.

ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!

YOU LOSE!

GOOD DAY SIR.

 
2013-10-15 10:31:02 AM  
Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?
 
2013-10-15 10:34:17 AM  
Only relection
 
2013-10-15 10:36:59 AM  
Points on the board!
 
2013-10-15 10:39:12 AM  
Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.
 
2013-10-15 10:39:22 AM  
I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.
 
2013-10-15 10:44:31 AM  

nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.


It makes you double hitler + one Half Stalin or if we convert it to Benghazis its only 3/100ths of a benghazi
 
2013-10-15 10:46:23 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.


Why not?  The public isn't forgetting about this.  If they want to take us hostage again then please proceed.
 
2013-10-15 10:47:18 AM  
It's not just poor people who couldn't access health insurance. (The poorest people have insurance.) How about middle class small business owners and employees, the self employed, those with preexisting conditions, etc.?
 
2013-10-15 10:51:41 AM  
So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING
 
2013-10-15 10:53:36 AM  

make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING


They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.
 
2013-10-15 10:54:44 AM  
Methinks the Tree of Liberty is getting mighty thirsty.
 
2013-10-15 10:55:32 AM  
photos.imageevent.com
 
2013-10-15 10:55:41 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Nope. No consequences.
 
2013-10-15 10:56:28 AM  

Carn: Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.

Why not?  The public isn't forgetting about this.  If they want to take us hostage again then please proceed.


They will try to find a way to make it worse. They are getting austerity, weakened markets and their victory.
 
2013-10-15 10:56:43 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Yes, potentially global consequences. But for the idiots doing this? No. No consequences. Consequences are for little people.
 
2013-10-15 10:57:36 AM  
Heliovdrake:
They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Then they shouldn't have named it Obamacare.  That stands to really backfire on them.
 
2013-10-15 10:58:12 AM  
How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.
 
2013-10-15 10:59:11 AM  

James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.


It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.
 
2013-10-15 10:59:51 AM  
Teabaggers are dangerous extremists,news at 11:00.
 
2013-10-15 11:00:37 AM  
They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:44 AM  
I'm just going to stand 40 yards away and watch how this plays out.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:49 AM  
They're terrorists. They're totally in-farking-sane and they only want to see this nation bleed. This time SEAL Team 6 can just cruise over from their base directly in minutes. No need for violations of airspace or anything. Just go and get 'em.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:56 AM  
No Medical Device Tax huh?

I thought Cantor got up in front of the House on the eve of the shutdown and said that the pubs weren't working for the special treatment of big business? God you guys have a short memory. Sadly, I think voters have even a shorter one.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:59 AM  

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


What have the Democrats done to deserve that?
 
2013-10-15 11:02:46 AM  

karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.


Are these considered medical devices?

i.imgur.com

If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.
 
2013-10-15 11:02:51 AM  

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!
 
2013-10-15 11:03:05 AM  

James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.


Obama said he'd drop the medical device tax all together.  So this whole battle is over an area where the two parties are in agreement.  Thank you Republicans.
 
2013-10-15 11:03:23 AM  

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


That's what is making the GOP worried.  If they let ACA go through people will find out how good it is and then they will never win another election.  Again GOP only cares about themselvs and not who voted for them.
 
2013-10-15 11:03:42 AM  
The teahadists think they're coolly playing chess instead of what they're really doing: cramming Candyland pieces up their nose and screaming "CHECKMARK" while everyone else in the park rolls their eyes and wonders when the Care Aides are going to intervene with some juice boxes and peanut butter crackers
 
2013-10-15 11:03:48 AM  
Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.
 
2013-10-15 11:03:56 AM  
WHY DO YOU GET TO MAKE A COUNTER OFFER WHEN THE ONLY THING BEING ASKED OF YOU IS THAT YOU PERFORM ONE OF YOUR MOST BASIC JOB RESPONSIBILITIES!?

Arrrrgh... I wish I could just walk into work and make new demands every day to do that for which I was hired in the first place.

Smeggy Smurf: They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.


Indeed. Go slay that giant you crazy sons of biatches.

www.mainlesson.com
 
2013-10-15 11:04:02 AM  

Zasteva: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

What have the Democrats done to deserve that?


Nothing,just more "both sides are equally bad" nonsense.
 
2013-10-15 11:04:15 AM  

Heliovdrake: The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.YOU GET NOTHING.ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!YOU LOSE!GOOD DAY SIR.


You do realize that assuming that by voting against Romney and for Obama, that's just a statement of "fark romney", and not necessarily a referendum on ACA or anything, right? I voted for Obama because i hated romney. I also hate the ACA because it's a garbage law that doesn't do much to help the situation other than add in new taxes and force insurance companies to take on more people/risk.

So, while the alternative to the ACA is shiattier, if I had my druthers, the ACA would be replaced with comprehensive regulation and price controls for life-saving equipment, medicine, and most care, a basic national plan which private insurers can supplement to add benefit (better coverage for more stuff than the national plan, etc.), and continue to make costs of insurance tax deductible.

Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.
 
2013-10-15 11:04:56 AM  

James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.


A tax on Hoverrounds?

This tyranny shall not stand! Er... roll.
 
2013-10-15 11:05:19 AM  
Does this remind anyone else of the "Duck Season, Rabbit Season" Bugs Bunny?

Like if they keep it up eventually the Dems will slip and point the gun at themselves?
 
2013-10-15 11:05:46 AM  

stovepipe: karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.

Are these considered medical devices?

[i.imgur.com image 494x743]

If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.


1% of the time they are medical devices.  99% of the time they are lazy fat fark devices.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:00 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Not for the baggers, no. They see a default as a victory.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:02 AM  

House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.

- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013
 
2013-10-15 11:06:09 AM  
Delaying the individual mandate for a year is in the best interests of the democratic party.. its a shame that they cannot see this.  It avoids the favoritism that the unions are other deep pocket lobbiests are getting and it will allow them to get HealthCare.gov ironed out (which from all reports is a 6-9 month all hands on deck project since it's design is fundamentally flawed.. which will push it past the open enrollment deadline).. if they don't push it out, the democrats are going to catch hell when people have to pay their IRS fines.  Right now the shut down is obscuring most of the healthcare.gov issues... once the shutdown goes away, and media focuses full time on healthcare.gov.. the shiat is going to hit the fan.

As far as the medical devices tax... the entire idea of taxing a single industry to pay for associated ACA costs was stupid from the get-go... whoever got this included in the ACA should be run out of town... it's causing medical device manufacturers to ship their manufacturing overseas so that laber costs are lowered.

Common sense.. both parties need to find some.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:45 AM  

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


Exactly. I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I was able to utilize the WA exchange and find insurance that was better than the insurance we'd had to buy on our own last year that was $500 cheaper each month. Better insurance. Lower deductibles. No copays (versus $40 copays). $500 cheaper per month. And even though we're solidly middle class making more than the median yearly income, we'd get a subsidy to help us pay for the insurance (which is why it was $500 cheaper and not $350).

Please note that we moved to a smaller apartment to help pay for the insurance we had to buy on our own for 10 months. If we'd had access to the exchanges, we wouldn't have had to do that. Part of why we moved is we were on COBRA for a few months while Regence slowly, slowly processed our application. Took them 3 months and they made us pay for November even though we hadn't used any services and they hadn't approved our application until December. It was pay for November (on top of paying COBRA in November) or go through the process all over again and hope it doesn't take another 3 months. So they got $780 from us for nothing, plus we paid $1200 for COBRA. Nothing quite like spending $2000 for one month of health insurance when all you did was buy 3 generic prescriptions.

Meanwhile, retards keep telling me that Obamacare will be more expensive for people they know. The only thing I can imagine is those people they know are either lying, mistaken, or have such shiatty insurance that it doesn't count as actual insurance.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:56 AM  
Benevolent Misanthrope: "Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior."

Not only will there be no consequences for the clowns behind this mess, but the true terrible beauty of the gerry-mandering and crazy-baiting they've accomplished, is that they'd have suffered serious consequences if they *hadn't* done it.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:05 AM  

Zasteva: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

What have the Democrats done to deserve that?


Both sides suck.  The difference is that the Democrats suck like eating a half-pound of sugar every day.  Eventually you will develop diabetes.  The Republicans suck like eating a teaspoon of arsenic.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:15 AM  

Weaver95: Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?

Not for the baggers, no. They see a default as a victory.


To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:16 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


Good God,they are completely insane.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:19 AM  

Kit Fister: Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.


So you agree, then, that giving the GOP House wasn't a referendum to repeal it either.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:31 AM  
Isn't the deadline to avoid a default today? WTF are they doing rejecting bipartisan deals at this stage?

Do they farking understand what happens if they overplay their (incredibly weak) hand?
 
2013-10-15 11:07:41 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.


I would vote for death panels if only they applied to members of Congress.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:41 AM  
Does this mean the Republicans don't want Uncle Sam to tax my rag on a stick? I've voting GOP next election. A rash-free, tax-free America!
 
2013-10-15 11:08:03 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


There will be dramatic consequences. Just not for the people responsible.
 
2013-10-15 11:08:19 AM  
OKAY, DERP IS COMING OUT
 
2013-10-15 11:08:45 AM  

nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.


I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.
 
2013-10-15 11:08:45 AM  
Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.
 
2013-10-15 11:08:55 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


Oh FFS....

The problem with this whole thing is that it is impossible to reason with ideology. I'm sure we could dig up a number of pubs from 2001 stating this....
 
2013-10-15 11:08:56 AM  
Calling the president "Fartbongo"... theres some real 2nd grade playground levels of insulting ... If you are going to do this... why not think of something better for my eyes to glance across?

/Just askin
 
2013-10-15 11:08:59 AM  
No, and Fuc* you.
 
2013-10-15 11:09:09 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


Well, that's what you usually sing at a funeral.
 
2013-10-15 11:09:17 AM  
Sent an email to Senator Warren.

I want to know who owns what stocks, and I want to know right now. Darrel Issa, Ted Cruz, Jim
DeMint, Eric Cantor, and I want Romney's too.

I want to know EXACTLY who is buying shorts right now, because I'll bet anything that's what it's all about.

Take a few million, buy a grip of shorts. Keep leaking news of a "deal" so the market will run up and be optimistic. Sell the profits on the few million you didn't use for short, then buy more shorts.

Step 3: profit, no matter which way this goes.
 
2013-10-15 11:09:27 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-15 11:09:35 AM  
The Aristocrats!
 
2013-10-15 11:10:00 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


"Nearer My God, To Thee" might have been more appropriate.
 
2013-10-15 11:10:00 AM  

Beeblebrox: stovepipe: karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.

Are these considered medical devices?

[i.imgur.com image 494x743]

If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.

1% of the time they are medical devices.  99% of the time they are lazy fat fark devices.


Can you imagine the blow to the economy if the people who had been handing them out for "free" had to pay tax on them?  Worse than the Great Depression and Weimar Republic!
 
2013-10-15 11:10:05 AM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).
 
2013-10-15 11:10:09 AM  

Kit Fister: Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.


^This
 
2013-10-15 11:10:10 AM  

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


i459.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 11:10:15 AM  
They've gone so far off the deep end that the group whose philosophy is "filibuster EVERYTHING" is the reasonable half of their party.
 
2013-10-15 11:10:22 AM  
This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.
 
2013-10-15 11:10:42 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


It really is a Holy War now, isn't it?
 
2013-10-15 11:11:03 AM  
The GOP doesn't want to walk away from this fight empty-handed.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:08 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 11:11:09 AM  
I'm all for a 3rd party. Lets elect cats.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:09 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Does this remind anyone else of the "Duck Season, Rabbit Season" Bugs Bunny?


i51.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 11:11:12 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).


Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...
 
2013-10-15 11:11:26 AM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:30 AM  
We are really going off this cliff aren't we? Money buried in the backyard is going to start looking like a good idea...

Hope there is a food kitchen app.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:35 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Of course there will -- but for all of us, and not until its too late to avoid.  ...but as for the tea-baggers who created the mess, they'll be affected just like everyone else, but rather than admit their folly, they'll just sit in their burning house and make this expression:

funnycatwallpapers.com

...because hey, who cares if we tank the entire f-ing economy as long as it preserves my God-given right to avoid insurance, then go to the ER when I hurt myself and pin the costs on the hospital.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:36 AM  

Kit Fister: Heliovdrake: The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.YOU GET NOTHING.ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!YOU LOSE!GOOD DAY SIR.

You do realize that assuming that by voting against Romney and for Obama, that's just a statement of "fark romney", and not necessarily a referendum on ACA or anything, right? I voted for Obama because i hated romney. I also hate the ACA because it's a garbage law that doesn't do much to help the situation other than add in new taxes and force insurance companies to take on more people/risk.

So, while the alternative to the ACA is shiattier, if I had my druthers, the ACA would be replaced with comprehensive regulation and price controls for life-saving equipment, medicine, and most care, a basic national plan which private insurers can supplement to add benefit (better coverage for more stuff than the national plan, etc.), and continue to make costs of insurance tax deductible.

Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.


The GOP made the election a referendum on the ACA and on Obama's policies in general. Didn't pan out.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:43 AM  
Can anybody spare a cherry wood coffin to bury me in? End of the road folks  Just kidding I can't die
 
2013-10-15 11:11:52 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


It is apparent that a lot more happens in this country than you are aware of.

2/10
 
2013-10-15 11:12:11 AM  
If some of the reporting is right, and the House is going to pass this piece of shiat and then skip down, we are well and truly farked.
 
2013-10-15 11:12:25 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Check your next 401k statement. Consequences will indeed be felt.
 
2013-10-15 11:12:25 AM  

George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...


Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?
 
2013-10-15 11:12:34 AM  

George Babbitt: Kit Fister: Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.

^This


Oh Jesus Christ. You people can rationalize anything.

"It's not that people voted for Obama even though he continues to have high poll numbers and be quite popular. It's just that they thought the last crop of RINOs was worse! I know, let's veer even harder to the right! That's what the American people, especially those slutty women and lazy ethnic minorities think!"
 
2013-10-15 11:12:51 AM  

QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.


Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.
 
2013-10-15 11:12:53 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.


No shiat.  The Constitution says spending bills need to originate in the House.  Boner doesn't want to commit to anything so he make the Senate submit their proposals first.  Once the Senate makes the proposal with a concession he pushes it just a little more.
 
2013-10-15 11:12:56 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Medicare. VA Hospitals.

There's two that operate cheaper and more efficiently than the private sector.
 
2013-10-15 11:13:03 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.


So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.


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Obama


www.lssproducts.com


Tea Tards

 
2013-10-15 11:13:05 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


And not a single wretch was saved that day.
 
2013-10-15 11:13:08 AM  

you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!


Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?
 
2013-10-15 11:13:10 AM  
Can't use the "This is Obama's shutdown" talkingpoint anymore.

Can't use the "Obama refuses to even come to the negotiation table" talkingpoint anymore.

All they're left with is their base motivations from Day 1:  "Gimme what I want, or I shoot the hostage".
 
2013-10-15 11:13:10 AM  

netweavr: Weaver95: Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?

Not for the baggers, no. They see a default as a victory.

To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.


Gods I hope so...this thing is a gotdamn mess.
 
2013-10-15 11:13:29 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.


This is so true.
 
2013-10-15 11:13:38 AM  

Peki: Sent an email to Senator Warren.

I want to know who owns what stocks, and I want to know right now. Darrel Issa, Ted Cruz, Jim
DeMint, Eric Cantor, and I want Romney's too.

I want to know EXACTLY who is buying shorts right now, because I'll bet anything that's what it's all about.

Take a few million, buy a grip of shorts. Keep leaking news of a "deal" so the market will run up and be optimistic. Sell the profits on the few million you didn't use for short, then buy more shorts.

Step 3: profit, no matter which way this goes.


I've said this ever since Congress reinstituted insider trading for its members. If their going to insider trade, they're going to straddle or short like there's no tomorrow in these situations. They're going to make millions for themselves and their buddies while Americans' 401Ks are going to plummet. Americans will panic and sell at a loss. And whose going to buy up those cheap shares? Yep....
 
2013-10-15 11:13:48 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


farking Constitution.  How does it work?
 
2013-10-15 11:13:52 AM  

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...


More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.
 
2013-10-15 11:14:03 AM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


then pay the fine
 
2013-10-15 11:14:09 AM  

netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.


Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-15 11:14:29 AM  
Is this the part where republicans begin to cannibalize each other and out of the mess a new GOP emerges that would put Darwin's natural selection to shame?
 
2013-10-15 11:14:31 AM  

doyner: Kit Fister: Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.

So you agree, then, that giving the GOP House wasn't a referendum to repeal it either.


I do agree.  If you want a referendum on something, then have a special vote of the people on the issue. Stop assuming that people are choosing candidates based on one issue and ignoring everything else as a referendum. If anything candidate historical data is more important than his current mouthnoise on a particular topic.
 
2013-10-15 11:14:39 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Exactly. I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I was able to utilize the WA exchange and find insurance that was better than the insurance we'd had to buy on our own last year that was $500 cheaper each month. Better insurance. Lower deductibles. No copays (versus $40 copays). $500 cheaper per month. And even though we're solidly middle class making more than the median yearly income, we'd get a subsidy to help us pay for the insurance (which is why it was $500 cheaper and not $350).


Here's my story...

Got onto the federal exchange and looked around the plans. I qualify for no subsidies (make too much). The two plans I'm looking for will either drop my kids deductibles from $5k to either A) $2k, or B)zero dollars. Co-pays will go from $25 to either A) $30 or B) $40. My wife's deductible will go from $1K to whatever will be the kids plan. I now will be able to get individual insurance that includes maternity coverage, so I don't have to have my wife on my employer's expensive plans.

Net savings each month? Between $200 or $300, depending on which plan I go with.

Thanks Obama!
 
2013-10-15 11:14:40 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: but I was able to utilize the WA exchange and find insurance that was better than the insurance we'd had to buy on our own last year that was $500 cheaper each month. Better insurance. Lower deductibles. No copays (versus $40 copays). $500 cheaper per month. And even though we're solidly middle class making more than the median yearly income, we'd get a subsidy to help us pay for the insurance (which is why it was $500 cheaper and not $350).


Our experience as well (NY). Our insurance was more than our mortgage, for shiat coverage with an insane deductible that we never even came close to hitting, and wouldn't have without a hospitalization or a major illness. We couldn't afford it. With the ACA we can afford to insure our family. We are middle class small business owners. Not poor people.
 
2013-10-15 11:14:41 AM  
If the ACA sucks so badly, let it fail and then repeal it.  But the GOP isn't worried about that, they're terrified people will try ObamaCare and like it.  And then it will NEVER go away and will be untouchable, like Medicare.
 
2013-10-15 11:14:43 AM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


If you're poor enough, you should be on Medicaid. Sucks to be you if you're in a Hunger Games style red state (for states with a high proportion of self-proclaimed Christians, their state governments see to delight on minimizing services to help the poor survive).

Obamacare is NOT universal healthcare. It is a Republican/private market health program that is better than what we had before, but still not like what every other first world nation. When you see those polls about people who do not support Obamacare, typically 15-25% of those don't support it because of this - it does not go far enough.
 
2013-10-15 11:14:52 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.


I was thinking about this last weekend and how any bill signed into law will almost certainly leave the economic nuclear bombs of letting government funding and borrowing authorities lapse armed and at the fingertips of anybody willing to handle them. I also thought about a proposal that No Labels put out years ago, the one that the GOP latched onto earlier in the year to force the Senate to pass a budget resolution or withhold pay. That was a (admittedly selfish) attempt to change the incentives in the political system and make it so Congress has to be responsible with the government's funding. So why not change the incentives permanently by writing the budget process into the Constitution? And instead of threatening something small and petty like a paycheck which these millionaires could care little about, why not make it a big incentive like their job?

Here was the proposal I came up with.

Section 1: If, by April 1st, Congress has not approved a common budget between the two chambers, it shall be a privileged motion to call for a vote on any budget resolution that has the support of ten percent of the chamber.

Section 2: If, by October 1st, Congress has not approved and the President has not signed into law all common appropriations bills, all previous appropriations shall be continued, and the Supreme Court shall call an election for all federally elected officials to be held on the first Tuesday of December.

Section 3: Consistent with the intent of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, Congress shall not have the power to limit the borrowing authority of the federal government.

Any thoughts?
 
2013-10-15 11:14:57 AM  
nekom: "Then they shouldn't have named it Obamacare. That stands to really backfire on them."

Flip-flopping and re-branding that thing wouldn't take them a second.
It'll be back to RomneyCare just in time to rehabilitate Mitt's image before one, or several, of his sons make a Congressional run.
These people are effortless masters at double-think.
 
2013-10-15 11:15:00 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.


Seconded.  Completely agree with you.
 
2013-10-15 11:15:02 AM  
Democrat should add single payer to the CR as a condition of passage.
 
2013-10-15 11:15:13 AM  

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


That's likely because your boss is a dick.
 
2013-10-15 11:15:13 AM  
Well, that was a pointless press conference. "We want fairness for all Americans. Now get me away from this microphone".
 
2013-10-15 11:15:13 AM  

ManateeGag: Taxation without representation!

herpa-derpa-doo!


WORSE. They had representation, and they just didn't like the result...
 
2013-10-15 11:15:20 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: I'm all for a 3rd party. Lets elect cats.


Yes...  lets do that...

josibear.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-15 11:15:33 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace Derp" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

 
2013-10-15 11:15:44 AM  

DarnoKonrad: George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?


That's embarrassing.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:12 AM  
For everyone complaining about the ACA, can you please actually pay attention to what the House is doing here. The House's entire move here is simply replacing a benefit to employers and unions with a benefit to medical device manufacturers. There's no fight here about Obamacare - it's purely them wanting to fark unions at the expense of industry donors. This is what they are fighting over at this point.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:21 AM  
Curiously, Article 5 would allow the States to bypass Congress entirely here.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:28 AM  
Lets talk 17 Repubs in rock solid not-gonna-get-primaried districts into changing to Democrats for 1 week.  That changes the majority to Dem, we elect a new speaker of the house (we'll even pick a rookie instead of Pelosi just to show the Repubs we're not dicking them over), and we can pass a clean CR as well as the bill from March that makes a clean CR automatic, and a bill extending the debt limit.  Once the Senate passes the reconciled bills, the 17 Repubs go back to being Repubs and we're done.  If the Teabaggers start pushing bills to undo the debt limit increase or the CR, it just shows how assholey nihilists they really are and provides all the ammo necessary to kill the tea party for good next year
 
2013-10-15 11:16:29 AM  

make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING


This is SOP for the republicans.

Next they will blame the failing system on the program rather than their crippling of it.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:32 AM  
A journo just asked Boehner if it was worth it.  Boehner looked like he was holding back explosive diarrhea.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:51 AM  

Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?

Not for the baggers, no. They see a default as a victory.

To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Gods I hope so...this thing is a gotdamn mess.


Truer words were never spoken.

I simply cannot fathom why the GOP is letting them get away with this.  Their political operatives may be completely soulless, but Kreist, they're not stupid.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:55 AM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:56 AM  
I don't know. I'm not going to pass judgment on the ACA yet. It has not taken full effect yet and there are people saying how great it IS. It IS not great yet, nor is it bad yet. We'll all find out after it is in 100% full operation. That's what the baggers are worried about. That's why they keep kicking the DC and fiscal deal down the farking road short term. They are hoping that when the ACA takes full effect that it will implode under its own weight. If it goes good, OH MY, the wailing and gnashing of teeth that will happen.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:02 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: OKAY, DERP IS COMING OUT




i865.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 11:17:06 AM  

George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.


Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:14 AM  

DamnYankees: For everyone complaining about the ACA, can you please actually pay attention to what the House is doing here. The House's entire move here is simply replacing a benefit to employers and unions with a benefit to medical device manufacturers. There's no fight here about Obamacare - it's purely them wanting to fark unions at the expense of industry donors. This is what they are fighting over at this point.


And if they don't get their way, they'll gut the US economy.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:19 AM  

InmanRoshi: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace Derp" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


To be fair, their derp is pretty amazing.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:21 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The GOP made the election a referendum on the ACA and on Obama's policies in general. Didn't pan out.


Friggin' this.  I'm sick of this talking point that "just because Obama was reelected doesn't meant that ACA is popular."  Yes, it farking does.  It was the ONLY thing Romney was consistent about as a candidate.  How many times did he say he'd repeal Obamacare on his first day in office?

No, the GOP made it a referendum on Obamacare.  People may have disliked Romney, but they obviously disliked Obamacare less, because they chose, overwhelmingly, to leave Obama and his signature legislation in place.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:24 AM  

George Babbitt: DarnoKonrad: George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?

That's embarrassing.



You're the one complaining you can't afford 175 bucks a month.    Being a worthless troll must not pay much eh?
 
2013-10-15 11:17:28 AM  
One of our state's Congressional Tea Party twits was quoted in the paper talking about how default would be great in the long run because it will bring federal spending under control. The human mind's ability to rationalize is a frightening thing. These people have no guilt about what they are doing bc they have convinced themselves they are 100% in the right.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:36 AM  

shastacola: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

Good God,they are completely insane.


At least it wasn't "Nearer My God To Thee".
 
2013-10-15 11:17:42 AM  

dwrash: Delaying the individual mandate for a year is in the best interests of the democratic party.. its a shame that they cannot see this.  It avoids the favoritism that the unions are other deep pocket lobbiests are getting and it will allow them to get HealthCare.gov ironed out (which from all reports is a 6-9 month all hands on deck project since it's design is fundamentally flawed.. which will push it past the open enrollment deadline).. if they don't push it out, the democrats are going to catch hell when people have to pay their IRS fines.  Right now the shut down is obscuring most of the healthcare.gov issues... once the shutdown goes away, and media focuses full time on healthcare.gov.. the shiat is going to hit the fan.

As far as the medical devices tax... the entire idea of taxing a single industry to pay for associated ACA costs was stupid from the get-go... whoever got this included in the ACA should be run out of town... it's causing medical device manufacturers to ship their manufacturing overseas so that laber costs are lowered.

Common sense.. both parties need to find some.


i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-15 11:17:47 AM  
On a side note, it's nice to see that Republicans apparently no longer believe big business should have special privileges over individuals.
 
2013-10-15 11:18:10 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.


For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.
 
2013-10-15 11:18:21 AM  

Mentat: A journo just asked Boehner if it was worth it.  Boehner looked like he was holding back explosive diarrhea.


I was impressed how easily he dodged the question without filling his shorts
 
2013-10-15 11:18:30 AM  

Boba Chet: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

farking Constitution.  How does it work?


They have a chaplain.  In both houses.  What about the Constitution?
 
2013-10-15 11:18:38 AM  

jayhawk88: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

It really is a Holy War now, isn't it?


We've been at the point of "Holy shiat, they're doing what now?" for a while. The House Republicans are so mockable even McCain's comedic timing has had a bit of resurrection.
 
2013-10-15 11:18:40 AM  

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]


Lol... The fact that Rubio and Bush are put forth as possible Presidents by the GOP is hysterical.
 
2013-10-15 11:18:47 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.


Did you just second your own post?
 
2013-10-15 11:18:52 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Democrat should add single payer to the CR as a condition of passage.


THIS.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:00 AM  

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]


President Rubio or Bush, eh?

Allow me to guffaw at an increased volume.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:09 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: One of our state's Congressional Tea Party twits was quoted in the paper talking about how default would be great in the long run because it will bring federal spending under control. The human mind's ability to rationalize is a frightening thing. These people have no guilt about what they are doing bc they have convinced themselves they are 100% in the right.


These are the same people who said we should have let the banks fail so that we could go through a quick depression.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:14 AM  

TNel: Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

That's what is making the GOP worried.  If they let ACA go through people will find out how good it is and then they will never win another election.  Again GOP only cares about themselvs and not who voted for them.


That, and it makes the Blah man look even better. The GOP must be getting tired of Obama constantly making them look like brainless goons.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:16 AM  

jayhawk88: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

It really is a Holy War now, isn't it?


That's what kills me. If they really think God is on their side, why do they have to resort to such desperate tactics? Can't they just pray the nasty Osamacare away?
 
2013-10-15 11:19:18 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.

Did you just second your own post?


He can do that.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:32 AM  

ArkPanda: shastacola: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

Good God,they are completely insane.

At least it wasn't "Nearer My God To Thee".


I lol'd.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:40 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.


Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?
 
2013-10-15 11:19:45 AM  

Notabunny: Mentat: A journo just asked Boehner if it was worth it.  Boehner looked like he was holding back explosive diarrhea.

I was impressed how easily he dodged the question without filling his shorts


It was impressive.
 
2013-10-15 11:20:09 AM  

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.


You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?
 
2013-10-15 11:20:20 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?


Yep, and you need to stop buying so much midget porn.
 
2013-10-15 11:20:32 AM  

QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.


Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.
 
2013-10-15 11:20:37 AM  
Guys.. I really dont think they were after the medical device tax the whole time.  No, thats an out for the tea-party... a way to save face and say "See?  we stopped a tax!", so they chose something nobody really gives a shiat about... medical device tax... as a sacrificial offering.
 
2013-10-15 11:20:39 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.

Did you just second your own post?


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2013-10-15 11:20:39 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.


THIS
 
2013-10-15 11:20:56 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?


It's a sham, no one's that stupid.
 
2013-10-15 11:21:10 AM  

Mentat: On a side note, it's nice to see that Republicans apparently no longer believe big business should have special privileges over individuals.


I'll believe that when Texas executes a few
 
2013-10-15 11:21:36 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.


So vote Republican?
 
2013-10-15 11:21:40 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Medicare runs much cheaper than private health insurance. Social security is also very efficient and doesn't run the risk of default like private pension plans (unless congress sabotages it). But you likely won't accept those examples.
 
2013-10-15 11:21:45 AM  

Notabunny: Mentat: On a side note, it's nice to see that Republicans apparently no longer believe big business should have special privileges over individuals.

I'll believe that when Texas executes a few


And puts up laws preventing the abortion of new corporations.
 
2013-10-15 11:21:58 AM  

InmanRoshi: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace Derp" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


Amazing Derp, how sweet the sound
That left my brain behind
I once was found, but now am lost
Could see, but now I'm blind
 
2013-10-15 11:21:59 AM  
Serious Black: "So we do this all over again in 3 months?"

As these clowns are incapable of compromise (by design) hostage-taking is all they have.
They will absolutely blow up the world economy before they give that up.

Not to mention that each time we do this, the previous runs apparently slide into slightly-fuzzier memory.
How many people even remember 2011 last one and all the bad-faith negotiating involved there?
The sequester itself is an artifact of the GOP reneging on the deal they cut.
But who seems to remember that?

If they take the hostage a couple more times, and manage to act almost-sensibly about the situation right before the election, this mess might as well have never happened in the memories of the voters.
 
2013-10-15 11:22:13 AM  
The best part was the GOP Congressman saying "we shouldn't give big businesses special treatment" without beshatting his Armani from laughing so hard
 
2013-10-15 11:22:24 AM  

Weaver95: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

That's likely because your boss is a dick.


Sock profile, check the date.
 
2013-10-15 11:22:30 AM  

George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.


Are you referring to medical waste and fraud?  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-07/needless-stents-alleged-at-k e ntucky-hospital-amid-2-year-probe.html
 
2013-10-15 11:22:50 AM  

Aquapope: Lets talk 17 Repubs in rock solid not-gonna-get-primaried districts into changing to Democrats for 1 week.  That changes the majority to Dem, we elect a new speaker of the house


More realistic (and with precedence) is Democrats agree to support/vote for Boehner as Speaker if he agrees to put bills up for a vote and gets challenged for it. Boehner is sane, just spineless. And for Democrats imagine their image boost if they are shown keeping their word and begrudgingly, but honorably, protecting Boehner's flank from the Republican crazies.
 
2013-10-15 11:23:05 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


1) Do everything you can to screw up the government.

2) Campaign on the premise that government is screwed up and we need less of it.

3) Profit.
 
2013-10-15 11:23:06 AM  

QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

Are you referring to medical waste and fraud?  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-07/needless-stents-alleged-at-k e ntucky-hospital-amid-2-year-probe.html


I think he's a troll, your eminence.
 
2013-10-15 11:23:28 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?


It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.
 
2013-10-15 11:24:09 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


This takes an appalling amount of ignorance of American History.

I suggest you read up on where our economy stood and what it looked like before the Federal Reserve was established.   And I'm talking about from reputable source of History and Economics, not a 3 page Paulite pamphlet with lotsa pictures of Eagles and Flags.
 
2013-10-15 11:24:15 AM  

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Yep, and you need to stop buying so much midget porn.


Folks, the NSA has moles at Fark and its name is nekom
 
2013-10-15 11:24:23 AM  

Infernalist: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

1) Do everything you can to screw up the government.

2) Campaign on the premise that government is screwed up and we need less of it.

3) Profit.


It baffles me that voters will elect people who's stated goal is to destroy the government.
 
2013-10-15 11:24:36 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

Are you referring to medical waste and fraud?  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-07/needless-stents-alleged-at-k e ntucky-hospital-amid-2-year-probe.html

I think he's a troll, your eminence.


You. I like you.
 
2013-10-15 11:25:13 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: [img.photobucket.com image 624x300]


You forgot to draw the hostages and the nuke in the elephant is holding over them.
 
2013-10-15 11:25:15 AM  

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?

It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.


You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

You did know that, right?
 
2013-10-15 11:25:16 AM  
Ok, to everybody that thinks this is NOT the Republicans fault.

What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?
 
2013-10-15 11:25:24 AM  

George Babbitt: Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?


I know that I do not want to spend my money for your lazy cheap ass to have emergency only care when you take your busted stupid ass into the ER.

Act like an adult and farking pay your fair share asshole.
 
2013-10-15 11:25:53 AM  

Kornchex: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

It is apparent that a lot more happens in this country than you are aware of.

2/10


Oh, please wise and sagacious sir, educate me with your wisdom.  I'm breathlessly waiting for you to grace me with a drop of your vast knowledge of this country.
 
2013-10-15 11:26:24 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Not sure what good an example of that would do, since the ACA is not a government takeover of health care. It's a mandate that you have to buy private insurance.

Pay attention.
 
2013-10-15 11:26:35 AM  
i.imgur.com

No changes to the ACA at all, or else they will do this again.
 
2013-10-15 11:26:46 AM  

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?

It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.


WAAAH IT'S NOT FAIR I PAY MY PREMIUMS AND DON'T GET SICK.

I PAY MY TAXES BUT DO NOT DRAW SSI YET.

I PAY FOR CAR INSURANCE BUT DON'T GET IN ACCIDENTS.

IT'S ALL ABOUT ME! SOCIETY SHOULD EXIST FOR ME!
 
2013-10-15 11:26:54 AM  

you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!


Unfortunately, this.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:11 AM  

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?

It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.


You want a return on your investment huh? How about you not being bankrupt and penniless if, god forbid, you had a major medical event occur. THAT'S THE POINT OF INSURANCE!

If you want a slight return on your investment, get an HSA compatible plan and put some money into it. You get a tax break on the money you put into the HSA and once you've got enough to in there to make you feel comfortable, you'll have lower rates.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:17 AM  

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


I'm sure that's Obama's fault and not your employer or the group insurer they deal with.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:23 AM  

maniacbastard: George Babbitt: Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

I know that I do not want to spend my money for your lazy cheap ass to have emergency only care when you take your busted stupid ass into the ER.

Act like an adult and farking pay your fair share asshole.


I do have insurance. For how long, IDK, with my employer looking at leaving us to fend for ourselves in the ACA marketplaces. Your assumptions of what I do and what I have are way off base.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:27 AM  

impaler: Ok, to everybody that thinks this is NOT the Republicans fault.

What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?


I want it to be required by law to pimp slap one's elected officials at least once a year... but I don't think that's on the table right now.

/Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell and Thomas Massie have slappable faces
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-15 11:27:36 AM  
There isn't a corporate dick that Eric Cantor wouldn't suck.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:50 AM  

InmanRoshi: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

This takes an appalling amount of ignorance of American History.

I suggest you read up on where our economy stood and what it looked like before the Federal Reserve was established.   And I'm talking about from reputable source of History and Economics, not a 3 page Paulite pamphlet with lotsa pictures of Eagles and Flags.


They could also compare and contrast the end of World War II and the end of the Iraq war and how the veterans fared in combat and post-service. We had 30 years of amazing change and economic growth in the country due to the WWII GI Bil. l can't say the same for the country after the debacle of Iraq.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:56 AM  
GOP suicide, for when you can't admit that the last thirty three years of your world view, social policies, and economics have been bad for the United States. The cognitive dissonance on this one has driven them insane. They really can't admit that for thirty three yeas they have been on the wrong side of history on every economic, every social, and every foreign policy issue.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:57 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: Did you just second your own post?


If liberals will vote multiple times for the same candidate in the same election, why can't I?
 
2013-10-15 11:28:24 AM  

Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?


That is the first time in history I have ever heard of insurance doing that and if true would be awesome, citation needed though, if you please.
 
2013-10-15 11:28:28 AM  

impaler: What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?


Soshalizum.
 
2013-10-15 11:28:31 AM  

Notabunny: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

[img.photobucket.com image 800x531]


The funny part is part of the restructuring resulted in the dismantling of the group that designed that.
 
2013-10-15 11:28:44 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Mike Chewbacca: Did you just second your own post?

If liberals will vote multiple times for the same candidate in the same election, why can't I?


What election is your post running as a candidate in?
 
2013-10-15 11:28:55 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?


Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.
 
2013-10-15 11:29:08 AM  

namegoeshere: those with preexisting conditions, etc.?


This is why I tentatively support the ACA.  No other plan put forward by anybody to compete with the ACA addresses this issue, and until something surfaces which does address this problem, I will continue to support the ACA.  Having a preexisting condition should not be a death sentence for somebody outside of the ability to get into an employer group plan.
 
2013-10-15 11:29:35 AM  

Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?


That doesn't sound true at all.
 
2013-10-15 11:29:39 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


None, besides every other industrial country on the planet.

newshour.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-10-15 11:29:39 AM  

Notabunny: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

[img.photobucket.com image 800x531]


Yes, wonderful job with that Government takeover - we're only losing $10 Billion on that deal.  That's like an A+ for the goverment.  The ACA will lose us a healthy few trillion, which is more like it.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/07/autos/la-fi-hy-taxpayers-los s- gm-bailout-20130607

And compare GM to Ford, who took no money in bailouts and is doing fine.  Nope, not a realistic example.
 
2013-10-15 11:29:55 AM  
Nancy Pelosi is up to bat next
 
2013-10-15 11:29:57 AM  

kidgenius: It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.

You want a return on your investment huh? How about you not being bankrupt and penniless if, god forbid, you had a major medical event occur. THAT'S THE POINT OF INSURANCE!

If you want a slight return on your investment, get an HSA compatible plan and put some money into it. You get a tax break on the money you put into the HSA and once you've got enough to in there to make you feel comfortable, you'll have lower rates.


I was merely stating that the scrip only costs $4 without insurance, not that I don't have any. Geez.
 
2013-10-15 11:29:58 AM  

George Babbitt: maniacbastard: George Babbitt: Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

I know that I do not want to spend my money for your lazy cheap ass to have emergency only care when you take your busted stupid ass into the ER.

Act like an adult and farking pay your fair share asshole.

I do have insurance. For how long, IDK, with my employer looking at leaving us to fend for ourselves in the ACA marketplaces. Your assumptions of what I do and what I have are way off base.


So get your tax credit and let the free market take care of you!

Quit being a taker and depending your boss to pay yor premium with your pre-tax income using a group rate he was able to negotiate.
 
2013-10-15 11:30:22 AM  

George Babbitt: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That is the first time in history I have ever heard of insurance doing that and if true would be awesome, citation needed though, if you please.


No, it's not true.

The insurance companies are required to send you a check, refunding part of your premiums, if THEY don't spend >=80% on medical care. I received a check last year from Aetna because they hadn't met this. It's averaged across ALL of their plans though, not just an individual.
 
2013-10-15 11:30:41 AM  
Looks like I have to write to Mr. Cantor... AGAIN.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:00 AM  

Having spent two hours talking to House Republicans, my expert investment advice is: Short everything

- daveweigel (@daveweigel) October 15, 2013


Sell, Mortimer! Sell!
 
2013-10-15 11:31:01 AM  

Gunther: Isn't the deadline to avoid a default today? WTF are they doing rejecting bipartisan deals at this stage?

Do they farking understand what happens if they overplay their (incredibly weak) hand?


It's Thursday. But they still need to hurry. It's still gotta get through the Senate (including a likely Cruz filibuster, which could easily take 24 hours) and the House, where it will see a lot of opposition, before it can be signed into law.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:17 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


The public school system.

/Yes, really, go look it up.
//Same with mail service.
///And yes, you need to compare it to what was in place before those existed, not compared to what you wish you had in utopia.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:20 AM  

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


I voted Lemon Party once, but I got vetoed.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:22 AM  

QueenMamaBee: impaler: Ok, to everybody that thinks this is NOT the Republicans fault.

What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?

I want it to be required by law to pimp slap one's elected officials at least once a year... but I don't think that's on the table right now.

/Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell and Thomas Massie have slappable faces


I'd have to be wearing a thick metal glove to touch McConnell's face.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:28 AM  

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


Look.  It's a noob.  Point and laugh at the noob.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:47 AM  

George Babbitt: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That is the first time in history I have ever heard of insurance doing that and if true would be awesome, citation needed though, if you please.


5 seconds with google

Here
 
2013-10-15 11:31:48 AM  

silo123j: Looks like I have to write to Mr. Cantor... AGAIN.


I've got the form open on another tab to write my teabagger house-troll, but the right words elude me.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:59 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: QueenMamaBee: impaler: Ok, to everybody that thinks this is NOT the Republicans fault.

What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?

I want it to be required by law to pimp slap one's elected officials at least once a year... but I don't think that's on the table right now.

/Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell and Thomas Massie have slappable faces

I'd have to be wearing a thick metal glove to touch McConnell's face.


It's called a gauntlet. Hellooo?
 
2013-10-15 11:32:08 AM  

George Babbitt: Your assumptions of what I do and what I have are way off base.


All I see is a whiner, whining about being an adult and whining about being forced to pay for your own damn healthcare.

Or are you not whining about being an adult and having to pay your fair share?

Regardless of how healthy you are, you are still subject to a random accident that can cost ME and others a shiatton of money to fix your busted cheap whiny ass, loser.
 
2013-10-15 11:32:11 AM  

George Babbitt: kidgenius: It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.

You want a return on your investment huh? How about you not being bankrupt and penniless if, god forbid, you had a major medical event occur. THAT'S THE POINT OF INSURANCE!

If you want a slight return on your investment, get an HSA compatible plan and put some money into it. You get a tax break on the money you put into the HSA and once you've got enough to in there to make you feel comfortable, you'll have lower rates.

I was merely stating that the scrip only costs $4 without insurance, not that I don't have any. Geez.


I didn't say you don't have it, I was saying that the return on your investment will come if you got sick. Want to get an immediate return? Go do something that will get you sick and require hospitalization. Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.
 
2013-10-15 11:32:22 AM  
I think it's time for me to join a political party, and I think I am going to register as a Republican. I need to do my part in a swing district in California during primary season, and help elect a moderate like myself.
 
2013-10-15 11:32:37 AM  

GoldSpider: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That doesn't sound true at all.


It's not my fault you don't know how to google.

Here
 
2013-10-15 11:32:48 AM  

GoldSpider: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

I'm sure that's Obama's fault and not your employer or the group insurer they deal with.


Every $250 is an extra abortion at the provider of your choice.
 
2013-10-15 11:32:54 AM  
Voters to Republicans next election:

We hate to say we told you so...

So, we won't; we'll just vote your party into unemployment.

The GOP seems to be afflicted with a severe case of mass stupidity.
 
2013-10-15 11:33:01 AM  

Serious Black: Section 1: If, by April 1st, Congress has not approved a common budget between the two chambers, it shall be a privileged motion to call for a vote on any budget resolution that has the support of ten percent of the chamber.

Section 2: If, by October 1st, Congress has not approved and the President has not signed into law all common appropriations bills, all previous appropriations shall be continued, and the Supreme Court shall call an election for all federally elected officials to be held on the first Tuesday of December.

Section 3: Consistent with the intent of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, Congress shall not have the power to limit the borrowing authority of the federal government.


I like it!!

The big concern would be that in this case, the House would refuse to compromise, to force another chance to unseat Obama. I think you would have to add that all sitting members of the House would be ineligible to run again, or possibly all Federal elected officials permanently ineligible for any future elected office.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-15 11:33:08 AM  

silo123j: Looks like I have to write to Mr. Cantor... AGAIN.


Do you have corporate money to give him?  If not don't bother.
 
2013-10-15 11:33:43 AM  

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That is the first time in history I have ever heard of insurance doing that and if true would be awesome, citation needed though, if you please.

5 seconds with google

Here


That's different from what you stated. The insurance companies only send you a check if they, as a company, spent less than 80% on medical care. If you don't use any of your insurance, that doesn't mean you get a refund for the difference.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-15 11:33:54 AM  

GoodyearPimp: GoldSpider: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

I'm sure that's Obama's fault and not your employer or the group insurer they deal with.

Every $250 is an extra abortion at the provider of your choice.


Attacks at that level aren't worth anything more than a big fark you.
 
2013-10-15 11:34:03 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.


Don't have cable, have a great-grandfathered plan with mobile carrier going back 25 years and it's cheaper than any contract you've ever heard of, don't have an iPad/tablet, and we never eat out as we abstain from all artificial food additives. As I said elsewhere, we have insurance, don't know for how long with employer's mindset on the current healthcare laws, but if they left us to fend for ourselves in the marketplaces, it would not be good.
 
2013-10-15 11:34:08 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: QueenMamaBee: impaler: Ok, to everybody that thinks this is NOT the Republicans fault.

What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?

I want it to be required by law to pimp slap one's elected officials at least once a year... but I don't think that's on the table right now.

/Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell and Thomas Massie have slappable faces

I'd have to be wearing a thick metal glove to touch McConnell's face.

It's called a gauntlet. Hellooo?


You can't mention gauntlet without slashie-ing:

/elf needs food, badly!
 
2013-10-15 11:34:13 AM  

stovepipe: karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.

Are these considered medical devices?

[i.imgur.com image 494x743]

If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.


No.
theredshtick.com
It's only a GOP-approved medical device if it includes at least one machine gun.
 
2013-10-15 11:34:32 AM  

HammerMill: Kornchex: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

It is apparent that a lot more happens in this country than you are aware of.

2/10

Oh, please wise and sagacious sir, educate me with your wisdom.


So you can ignore it just to make your next talking point?  Child please...
 
2013-10-15 11:34:36 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.


All part of the extinction behavior, right now we are seeing an extinction burst. See when attempting to extinguish a behavior you get more of the bad behavior as the subject attempts to get rewarded. For these poor dumb Republican beasts the extinction burst has been extreme, but reorganization is starting to occur and in three months the Republican animals behavior will be less then it is today as the reward has proven to have been taken away.

Hence the fight in three months will be less then it is today, unless of course the Senate and President does reward the Republican beast with something, like stopping the medical device tax. This is all about training the irrational dumb Republican beast like any good behavioral psychologist should.
 
2013-10-15 11:34:40 AM  

Infernalist: 5 seconds with google

Here


"An estimated 8.5 million Americans will receive rebates from their health insurers this summer thanks to the Affordable Care Act, which says companies that fail to spend at least 80 percent of premiums on health care must refund the difference to consumers."

Which is nothing at all like "insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time"
 
2013-10-15 11:35:20 AM  

Infernalist: GoldSpider: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That doesn't sound true at all.

It's not my fault you don't know how to google.

Here



Reading comprehension.  You don't have it.
 
2013-10-15 11:35:33 AM  

GoldSpider: silo123j: Looks like I have to write to Mr. Cantor... AGAIN.

I've got the form open on another tab to write my teabagger house-troll, but the right words elude me.


For mine I sent that I wasn't sure if he was just an opportunist or just ignorant.  I finished with that if the Republicans crash the economy I hoped that God would have mercy on his soul because most of the voters sure as hell won't.
 
2013-10-15 11:35:49 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


Environment
Roads
Schools
... and I really have no more time for your idiocy.  Besides, I'm not sure you would be able to count past 3.
 
2013-10-15 11:35:50 AM  

kidgenius: Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.


Only beacause healthcare costs too much. There are stories coming out now about some doctors are not taking insurance anymore and are able to offer cheaper services.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-15 11:36:13 AM  

2wolves: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

Look.  It's a noob.  Point and laugh at the noob.


It's a hard argument to make to someone that is infected with today's common strain of mass selfishness, but there are a lot of people going from $800 or more a month down to the low hundreds or less.  There is massive re-balancing of the system going on...
 
2013-10-15 11:36:21 AM  

GoodyearPimp: Reading comprehension. You don't have it.


In all fairness, nobody ever claimed that Republicans have a monopoly on lying about the ACA.
 
2013-10-15 11:36:24 AM  

derpy: dwrash: Delaying the individual mandate for a year is in the best interests of the democratic party.. its a shame that they cannot see this.  It avoids the favoritism that the unions are other deep pocket lobbiests are getting and it will allow them to get HealthCare.gov ironed out (which from all reports is a 6-9 month all hands on deck project since it's design is fundamentally flawed.. which will push it past the open enrollment deadline).. if they don't push it out, the democrats are going to catch hell when people have to pay their IRS fines.  Right now the shut down is obscuring most of the healthcare.gov issues... once the shutdown goes away, and media focuses full time on healthcare.gov.. the shiat is going to hit the fan.

As far as the medical devices tax... the entire idea of taxing a single industry to pay for associated ACA costs was stupid from the get-go... whoever got this included in the ACA should be run out of town... it's causing medical device manufacturers to ship their manufacturing overseas so that laber costs are lowered.

Common sense.. both parties need to find some.

[i43.tinypic.com image 500x500]


And this is why most people on this site are farking morons.
 
2013-10-15 11:36:26 AM  

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Yep, and you need to stop buying so much midget porn.



Hey lets not trash midget porn, it costs half as much as regular porn and I'm on a budget.


\I took you off <green> and Troll. Welcome back
 
2013-10-15 11:36:37 AM  

RDixon: Voters to Republicans next election:

We hate to say we told you so...

So, we won't; we'll just vote your party into unemployment.

The GOP seems to be afflicted with a severe case of mass stupidity.


You're putting a lot of stock into thinking that places like Texas can learn from its mistakes. A state that was run by George W Bush and then elected him to presidency.
 
2013-10-15 11:36:58 AM  

maniacbastard: George Babbitt: Your assumptions of what I do and what I have are way off base.

All I see is a whiner, whining about being an adult and whining about being forced to pay for your own damn healthcare.

Or are you not whining about being an adult and having to pay your fair share?

Regardless of how healthy you are, you are still subject to a random accident that can cost ME and others a shiatton of money to fix your busted cheap whiny ass, loser.


I have insurance, read the other comments and don't just jump down my throat with the first low hanging fruit you see.
 
2013-10-15 11:37:12 AM  

d23: 2wolves: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

Look.  It's a noob.  Point and laugh at the noob.

It's a hard argument to make to someone that is infected with today's common strain of mass selfishness, but there are a lot of people going from $800 or more a month down to the low hundreds or less.  There is massive re-balancing of the system going on...


Yep, I'm saving over $200 a month, it just makes sense:  millions of people who used to pay nothing now have to pay.  If you were paying before, now you're going to pay less.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-10-15 11:37:27 AM  

George Babbitt: kidgenius: Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.

Only beacause healthcare costs too much. There are stories coming out now about some doctors are not taking insurance anymore and are able to offer cheaper services.


From the other direction there are also plenty of hospitals that are charging $300 for a $5 bag of saline drip.
 
2013-10-15 11:37:45 AM  

Muta: Krymson Tyde: Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.

No shiat.  The Constitution says spending bills need to originate in the House.  Boner doesn't want to commit to anything so he make the Senate submit their proposals first.  Once the Senate makes the proposal with a concession he pushes it just a little more.


I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.
 
2013-10-15 11:38:33 AM  

maniacbastard: George Babbitt: Your assumptions of what I do and what I have are way off base.

All I see is a whiner, whining about being an adult and whining about being forced to pay for your own damn healthcare.

Or are you not whining about being an adult and having to pay your fair share?

Regardless of how healthy you are, you are still subject to a random accident that can cost ME and others a shiatton of money to fix your busted cheap whiny ass, loser.


I have insurance you derp, read the other comments and don't just jump at the first low hanging fruit you see.

/repeating myself now
 
2013-10-15 11:38:58 AM  

HammerMill: Notabunny: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

[img.photobucket.com image 800x531]

Yes, wonderful job with that Government takeover - we're only losing $10 Billion on that deal.  That's like an A+ for the goverment.  The ACA will lose us a healthy few trillion, which is more like it.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/07/autos/la-fi-hy-taxpayers-los s- gm-bailout-20130607

And compare GM to Ford, who took no money in bailouts and is doing fine.  Nope, not a realistic example.


I was just trolling. Nobody believes the government took over GM. Just like nobody believes Obamacare is a government takeover of healthcare.
 
2013-10-15 11:39:11 AM  

GoldSpider: Infernalist: 5 seconds with google

Here

"An estimated 8.5 million Americans will receive rebates from their health insurers this summer thanks to the Affordable Care Act, which says companies that fail to spend at least 80 percent of premiums on health care must refund the difference to consumers."

Which is nothing at all like "insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time"


Unfortunately, this is true, and it makes a lot more sense than refunding premiums not used by individuals. Then pooling would be pointless. My insurance company didn't meet the 80/20 rule, so I expected that my premium would just be lowered slightly. Instead I got a check. For $2.43. Still, better than a higher premium, and my insurance still covers just about everything.
 
2013-10-15 11:39:15 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.

Don't have cable, have a great-grandfathered plan with mobile carrier going back 25 years and it's cheaper than any contract you've ever heard of, don't have an iPad/tablet, and we never eat out as we abstain from all artificial food additives. As I said elsewhere, we h ...


You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.
 
2013-10-15 11:39:25 AM  

d23: George Babbitt: kidgenius: Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.

Only beacause healthcare costs too much. There are stories coming out now about some doctors are not taking insurance anymore and are able to offer cheaper services.

From the other direction there are also plenty of hospitals that are charging $300 for a $5 bag of saline drip.


No transparency or price comparison is the biggest failure of our system, it is intentionally as opaque as possible for billing purposes, with as many intermediaries as possible.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:08 AM  
I'll show you brinksmanship!
 
2013-10-15 11:41:11 AM  

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]


Eh...the cartoon is both right and not right.

1. Redistricting only lasts 10 years, and we're now down to 8. That's still quite a while, but it's not "permanent" like the cartoon says.
2. A lot of these new districts (especially here in NC) were drawn in a way that creates more, but weaker, GOP-friendly districts. They aren't all fireproof. A heavy anti-GOP sentiment, like the current one, could topple several of them.
3. The current budget situation may have destroyed the GOP's chance to get the Senate.
4. No way is anyone going to elect another Bush. Rubio is a possibility.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:17 AM  

George Babbitt: kidgenius: Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.

Only beacause healthcare costs too much. There are stories coming out now about some doctors are not taking insurance anymore and are able to offer cheaper services.


Stories? Oooooh. Next they'll have anecdotes too. Because that equals data. farking retard.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:31 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Muta: Krymson Tyde: Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.
.

I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.


Thanks for one of my favorite profile quotes.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:32 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


could you imagine if Muslim members of congress started a meeting with a Muslim prayed.  The TeaDerped would explode.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:46 AM  

netweavr: What election is your post running as a candidate in?


Postmaster General.
 
2013-10-15 11:42:05 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Civil rights - prior to that you had Jim Crow.

The interstate highway system - prior to that, east-west travel in a timely manner was near impossible.

Rural electrification - prior to that, outside of urban areas, you had either no electricity, were paying through the nose, or only had electricity part of the day.

Air traffic control - prior to that, you had a patchwork of little controlled airspaces or no traffic control at all.

Mandated telephone service - thanks to the FCC, you now have telephone service in every part of the country, E911 service, and number portability. Prior to that, parts of the country weren't served at all, and many others had no 911 service.
 
2013-10-15 11:42:08 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.



Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)
 
2013-10-15 11:42:29 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters are brainwashed into voting their wealthy masters largess out of the public treasury."
 
2013-10-15 11:42:36 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Quit being a taker and depending your boss to pay yor premium with your pre-tax income using a group rate he was able to negotiate.


I'm a taker because I participate in the capitalist free market and my employer is doing on a small scale what the ACA failed to do on a large scale?
 
2013-10-15 11:43:09 AM  

GoodyearPimp: GoldSpider: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

I'm sure that's Obama's fault and not your employer or the group insurer they deal with.

Every $250 is an extra abortion at the provider of your choice.


Its almost as if raising rates using obamacare as an excuse will provide the public a reason to resist it and save the healthcare industry's absurd profit margin as well as make some easy short term money.

And stuff
 
2013-10-15 11:43:26 AM  
 
2013-10-15 11:43:52 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


I hear seniors like Medicare, but it's a constant struggle to keep Big Government out of it.
 
2013-10-15 11:44:35 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.


That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.
 
2013-10-15 11:44:35 AM  

Peki: Sent an email to Senator Warren.

I want to know who owns what stocks, and I want to know right now. Darrel Issa, Ted Cruz, Jim
DeMint, Eric Cantor, and I want Romney's too.

I want to know EXACTLY who is buying shorts right now, because I'll bet anything that's what it's all about.

Take a few million, buy a grip of shorts. Keep leaking news of a "deal" so the market will run up and be optimistic. Sell the profits on the few million you didn't use for short, then buy more shorts.

Step 3: profit, no matter which way this goes.


THIS
 
2013-10-15 11:45:14 AM  

Gunther: Isn't the deadline to avoid a default today? WTF are they doing rejecting bipartisan deals at this stage?

Do they farking understand what happens if they overplay their (incredibly weak) hand?


Not really. The reality bubble has been going on lately that default either won't happen (we'll pay bondholders and not old people/doctors), won't be a big deal (cleanest dirty shirt and all), or is actually a Good Thing (the sorts of people who think the Federal government needs to run a balanced budget).
 
2013-10-15 11:45:28 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.


And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?
 
2013-10-15 11:45:56 AM  

Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.


Well, of course they did.
 
2013-10-15 11:46:27 AM  

Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.


If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.
 
2013-10-15 11:46:30 AM  

Amish Tech Support: Krymson Tyde: Muta: Krymson Tyde: Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.
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I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

Thanks for one of my favorite profile quotes.


I had to go see what it was...LOL you're welcome!
 
2013-10-15 11:47:29 AM  

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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Rubio?

Yea, all you need is a latino and all the latinos will vote for you, of course...they are really stupid like that.  Proceed, GOP

Have a drink

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2013-10-15 11:47:29 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.


So you haven't actually looked into this at all, you're just sure that you'll be screwed over.
 
2013-10-15 11:47:41 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.


Personal responsibility is only for other people, not MEEEE!

I love the attempted argument of, "but I don't NEEEED it!"  Are you alive?  Then you need it.  No, you can't wait until you get sick, get insurance, then drop it as soon as your personal health crisis is over.  It's not a goddamn grant.

Personally, I could go two ways with this: 1) single payer, comprehensive national insurance pool, etc. or 2) deregulate insurance completely, drop all State and Federal subsidies/funding for ER programs, and eliminate all entitlement programs (yes, that includes Medicare and Social Security).

One or the other.  If you're so goddamn boot-strappy that you don't "need" health insurance, then you're on your own, paying cash for care and likely obtaining non-dischargeable debt over the course of your life.  Broke your arm?  Too farking bad - pay up the $10k for care.  Heart attack?  Fark you, pony up the $200k.   No, you can't just go to the ER and get care for "free" anymore.  Stay home and die.

But that's not the preferable option.  The ACA is an unfortunately half-assed first step in the right direction (single payer).  Just gotta keep moving toward the only reasonable and logical goal.

If not?  Fark you.  Burn the entire support system to the ground.  Enjoy losing everything you have in a single day.  Either through paying up-front for care out of pocket, or from being raped by unregulated insurance.  You want a Libertarian paradise?  You have no idea what that entails...
 
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2013-10-15 11:47:46 AM  

SpectroBoy: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)


Food inspection.
Mass emergency management and recovery
Centralizing issues of health safety. (CDC, NIH)
Coordinating communications resources (the hated FCC)
Lists of other things that don't make a profit but HAVE to be done.

None of that is roses either, all of it is a mess in practice... but it has to be done.
 
2013-10-15 11:47:55 AM  
We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

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2013-10-15 11:48:16 AM  

ginandbacon: Newsflash? Really?


Does this really hurt your butt that bad? Really?
 
2013-10-15 11:48:52 AM  

Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.


And now we're going to see the fundamental problem.   The House is going to have to propose to unified counter proposal, but they're inherently unable to do so.    Their motivations run the gambit from wanting to pass a "clean" CR to Neo-Conferederate insurgents intentionally attempting to sabotage the federal government from the inside.
 
2013-10-15 11:48:56 AM  

impaler: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

None, besides every other industrial country on the planet.

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Unbelievable that we already spend as much per capita publicly as every other OECD country but we fail to cover everyone with that money.
 
2013-10-15 11:49:38 AM  

Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you