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(Talking Points Memo)   Senate GOP: Simmer down, we found a way out of this mess. House GOP: Well, then we'll just issue another counter offer with attacks on Obamacare then. HA   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 644
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2013-10-15 10:07:08 AM  
Please proceed, derp heads.
 
2013-10-15 10:08:45 AM  
But remember, folks, the Democrats are the ones prolonging this by refusing to make any concessions.
 
2013-10-15 10:09:51 AM  
I love it when a self-fulfilling prophecy comes together!
 
2013-10-15 10:10:18 AM  
Newsflash? Really?
 
2013-10-15 10:12:01 AM  

ginandbacon: Newsflash? Really?


Aw, cr@p!  That's what I get for using the mouse wheel and not double checking which field had focus on it when I scrolled.  :(  *self chairshot*

Mods, feel free to change that to non-news flash if you want.  My apologies to all.
 
2013-10-15 10:13:43 AM  
Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.
 
2013-10-15 10:25:42 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: ginandbacon: Newsflash? Really?

Aw, cr@p!  That's what I get for using the mouse wheel and not double checking which field had focus on it when I scrolled.  :(  *self chairshot*

Mods, feel free to change that to non-news flash if you want.  My apologies to all.


LOL you're arright mang :)
 
2013-10-15 10:26:04 AM  
Taxation without representation!

herpa-derpa-doo!
 
2013-10-15 10:28:43 AM  
The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.

YOU GET NOTHING.

ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!

YOU LOSE!

GOOD DAY SIR.

 
2013-10-15 10:31:02 AM  
Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?
 
2013-10-15 10:34:17 AM  
Only relection
 
2013-10-15 10:36:59 AM  
Points on the board!
 
2013-10-15 10:39:12 AM  
Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.
 
2013-10-15 10:39:22 AM  
I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.
 
2013-10-15 10:44:31 AM  

nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.


It makes you double hitler + one Half Stalin or if we convert it to Benghazis its only 3/100ths of a benghazi
 
2013-10-15 10:46:23 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.


Why not?  The public isn't forgetting about this.  If they want to take us hostage again then please proceed.
 
2013-10-15 10:47:18 AM  
It's not just poor people who couldn't access health insurance. (The poorest people have insurance.) How about middle class small business owners and employees, the self employed, those with preexisting conditions, etc.?
 
2013-10-15 10:51:41 AM  
So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING
 
2013-10-15 10:53:36 AM  

make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING


They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.
 
2013-10-15 10:54:44 AM  
Methinks the Tree of Liberty is getting mighty thirsty.
 
2013-10-15 10:55:32 AM  
photos.imageevent.com
 
2013-10-15 10:55:41 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Nope. No consequences.
 
2013-10-15 10:56:28 AM  

Carn: Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.

Why not?  The public isn't forgetting about this.  If they want to take us hostage again then please proceed.


They will try to find a way to make it worse. They are getting austerity, weakened markets and their victory.
 
2013-10-15 10:56:43 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Yes, potentially global consequences. But for the idiots doing this? No. No consequences. Consequences are for little people.
 
2013-10-15 10:57:36 AM  
Heliovdrake:
They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Then they shouldn't have named it Obamacare.  That stands to really backfire on them.
 
2013-10-15 10:58:12 AM  
How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.
 
2013-10-15 10:59:11 AM  

James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.


It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.
 
2013-10-15 10:59:51 AM  
Teabaggers are dangerous extremists,news at 11:00.
 
2013-10-15 11:00:37 AM  
They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:44 AM  
I'm just going to stand 40 yards away and watch how this plays out.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:49 AM  
They're terrorists. They're totally in-farking-sane and they only want to see this nation bleed. This time SEAL Team 6 can just cruise over from their base directly in minutes. No need for violations of airspace or anything. Just go and get 'em.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:56 AM  
No Medical Device Tax huh?

I thought Cantor got up in front of the House on the eve of the shutdown and said that the pubs weren't working for the special treatment of big business? God you guys have a short memory. Sadly, I think voters have even a shorter one.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:59 AM  

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


What have the Democrats done to deserve that?
 
2013-10-15 11:02:46 AM  

karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.


Are these considered medical devices?

i.imgur.com

If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.
 
2013-10-15 11:02:51 AM  

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!
 
2013-10-15 11:03:05 AM  

James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.


Obama said he'd drop the medical device tax all together.  So this whole battle is over an area where the two parties are in agreement.  Thank you Republicans.
 
2013-10-15 11:03:23 AM  

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


That's what is making the GOP worried.  If they let ACA go through people will find out how good it is and then they will never win another election.  Again GOP only cares about themselvs and not who voted for them.
 
2013-10-15 11:03:42 AM  
The teahadists think they're coolly playing chess instead of what they're really doing: cramming Candyland pieces up their nose and screaming "CHECKMARK" while everyone else in the park rolls their eyes and wonders when the Care Aides are going to intervene with some juice boxes and peanut butter crackers
 
2013-10-15 11:03:48 AM  
Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.
 
2013-10-15 11:03:56 AM  
WHY DO YOU GET TO MAKE A COUNTER OFFER WHEN THE ONLY THING BEING ASKED OF YOU IS THAT YOU PERFORM ONE OF YOUR MOST BASIC JOB RESPONSIBILITIES!?

Arrrrgh... I wish I could just walk into work and make new demands every day to do that for which I was hired in the first place.

Smeggy Smurf: They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.


Indeed. Go slay that giant you crazy sons of biatches.

www.mainlesson.com
 
2013-10-15 11:04:02 AM  

Zasteva: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

What have the Democrats done to deserve that?


Nothing,just more "both sides are equally bad" nonsense.
 
2013-10-15 11:04:15 AM  

Heliovdrake: The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.YOU GET NOTHING.ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!YOU LOSE!GOOD DAY SIR.


You do realize that assuming that by voting against Romney and for Obama, that's just a statement of "fark romney", and not necessarily a referendum on ACA or anything, right? I voted for Obama because i hated romney. I also hate the ACA because it's a garbage law that doesn't do much to help the situation other than add in new taxes and force insurance companies to take on more people/risk.

So, while the alternative to the ACA is shiattier, if I had my druthers, the ACA would be replaced with comprehensive regulation and price controls for life-saving equipment, medicine, and most care, a basic national plan which private insurers can supplement to add benefit (better coverage for more stuff than the national plan, etc.), and continue to make costs of insurance tax deductible.

Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.
 
2013-10-15 11:04:56 AM  

James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.


A tax on Hoverrounds?

This tyranny shall not stand! Er... roll.
 
2013-10-15 11:05:19 AM  
Does this remind anyone else of the "Duck Season, Rabbit Season" Bugs Bunny?

Like if they keep it up eventually the Dems will slip and point the gun at themselves?
 
2013-10-15 11:05:46 AM  

stovepipe: karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.

Are these considered medical devices?

[i.imgur.com image 494x743]

If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.


1% of the time they are medical devices.  99% of the time they are lazy fat fark devices.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:00 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Not for the baggers, no. They see a default as a victory.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:02 AM  

House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.

- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013
 
2013-10-15 11:06:09 AM  
Delaying the individual mandate for a year is in the best interests of the democratic party.. its a shame that they cannot see this.  It avoids the favoritism that the unions are other deep pocket lobbiests are getting and it will allow them to get HealthCare.gov ironed out (which from all reports is a 6-9 month all hands on deck project since it's design is fundamentally flawed.. which will push it past the open enrollment deadline).. if they don't push it out, the democrats are going to catch hell when people have to pay their IRS fines.  Right now the shut down is obscuring most of the healthcare.gov issues... once the shutdown goes away, and media focuses full time on healthcare.gov.. the shiat is going to hit the fan.

As far as the medical devices tax... the entire idea of taxing a single industry to pay for associated ACA costs was stupid from the get-go... whoever got this included in the ACA should be run out of town... it's causing medical device manufacturers to ship their manufacturing overseas so that laber costs are lowered.

Common sense.. both parties need to find some.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:45 AM  

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


Exactly. I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I was able to utilize the WA exchange and find insurance that was better than the insurance we'd had to buy on our own last year that was $500 cheaper each month. Better insurance. Lower deductibles. No copays (versus $40 copays). $500 cheaper per month. And even though we're solidly middle class making more than the median yearly income, we'd get a subsidy to help us pay for the insurance (which is why it was $500 cheaper and not $350).

Please note that we moved to a smaller apartment to help pay for the insurance we had to buy on our own for 10 months. If we'd had access to the exchanges, we wouldn't have had to do that. Part of why we moved is we were on COBRA for a few months while Regence slowly, slowly processed our application. Took them 3 months and they made us pay for November even though we hadn't used any services and they hadn't approved our application until December. It was pay for November (on top of paying COBRA in November) or go through the process all over again and hope it doesn't take another 3 months. So they got $780 from us for nothing, plus we paid $1200 for COBRA. Nothing quite like spending $2000 for one month of health insurance when all you did was buy 3 generic prescriptions.

Meanwhile, retards keep telling me that Obamacare will be more expensive for people they know. The only thing I can imagine is those people they know are either lying, mistaken, or have such shiatty insurance that it doesn't count as actual insurance.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:56 AM  
Benevolent Misanthrope: "Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior."

Not only will there be no consequences for the clowns behind this mess, but the true terrible beauty of the gerry-mandering and crazy-baiting they've accomplished, is that they'd have suffered serious consequences if they *hadn't* done it.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:05 AM  

Zasteva: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

What have the Democrats done to deserve that?


Both sides suck.  The difference is that the Democrats suck like eating a half-pound of sugar every day.  Eventually you will develop diabetes.  The Republicans suck like eating a teaspoon of arsenic.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:15 AM  

Weaver95: Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?

Not for the baggers, no. They see a default as a victory.


To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:16 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


Good God,they are completely insane.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:19 AM  

Kit Fister: Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.


So you agree, then, that giving the GOP House wasn't a referendum to repeal it either.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:31 AM  
Isn't the deadline to avoid a default today? WTF are they doing rejecting bipartisan deals at this stage?

Do they farking understand what happens if they overplay their (incredibly weak) hand?
 
2013-10-15 11:07:41 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.


I would vote for death panels if only they applied to members of Congress.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:41 AM  
Does this mean the Republicans don't want Uncle Sam to tax my rag on a stick? I've voting GOP next election. A rash-free, tax-free America!
 
2013-10-15 11:08:03 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


There will be dramatic consequences. Just not for the people responsible.
 
2013-10-15 11:08:19 AM  
OKAY, DERP IS COMING OUT
 
2013-10-15 11:08:45 AM  

nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.


I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.
 
2013-10-15 11:08:45 AM  
Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.
 
2013-10-15 11:08:55 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


Oh FFS....

The problem with this whole thing is that it is impossible to reason with ideology. I'm sure we could dig up a number of pubs from 2001 stating this....
 
2013-10-15 11:08:56 AM  
Calling the president "Fartbongo"... theres some real 2nd grade playground levels of insulting ... If you are going to do this... why not think of something better for my eyes to glance across?

/Just askin
 
2013-10-15 11:08:59 AM  
No, and Fuc* you.
 
2013-10-15 11:09:09 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


Well, that's what you usually sing at a funeral.
 
2013-10-15 11:09:17 AM  
Sent an email to Senator Warren.

I want to know who owns what stocks, and I want to know right now. Darrel Issa, Ted Cruz, Jim
DeMint, Eric Cantor, and I want Romney's too.

I want to know EXACTLY who is buying shorts right now, because I'll bet anything that's what it's all about.

Take a few million, buy a grip of shorts. Keep leaking news of a "deal" so the market will run up and be optimistic. Sell the profits on the few million you didn't use for short, then buy more shorts.

Step 3: profit, no matter which way this goes.
 
2013-10-15 11:09:27 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-15 11:09:35 AM  
The Aristocrats!
 
2013-10-15 11:10:00 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


"Nearer My God, To Thee" might have been more appropriate.
 
2013-10-15 11:10:00 AM  

Beeblebrox: stovepipe: karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.

Are these considered medical devices?

[i.imgur.com image 494x743]

If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.

1% of the time they are medical devices.  99% of the time they are lazy fat fark devices.


Can you imagine the blow to the economy if the people who had been handing them out for "free" had to pay tax on them?  Worse than the Great Depression and Weimar Republic!
 
2013-10-15 11:10:05 AM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).
 
2013-10-15 11:10:09 AM  

Kit Fister: Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.


^This
 
2013-10-15 11:10:10 AM  

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


i459.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 11:10:15 AM  
They've gone so far off the deep end that the group whose philosophy is "filibuster EVERYTHING" is the reasonable half of their party.
 
2013-10-15 11:10:22 AM  
This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.
 
2013-10-15 11:10:42 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


It really is a Holy War now, isn't it?
 
2013-10-15 11:11:03 AM  
The GOP doesn't want to walk away from this fight empty-handed.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:08 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 11:11:09 AM  
I'm all for a 3rd party. Lets elect cats.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:09 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Does this remind anyone else of the "Duck Season, Rabbit Season" Bugs Bunny?


i51.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 11:11:12 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).


Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...
 
2013-10-15 11:11:26 AM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:30 AM  
We are really going off this cliff aren't we? Money buried in the backyard is going to start looking like a good idea...

Hope there is a food kitchen app.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:35 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Of course there will -- but for all of us, and not until its too late to avoid.  ...but as for the tea-baggers who created the mess, they'll be affected just like everyone else, but rather than admit their folly, they'll just sit in their burning house and make this expression:

funnycatwallpapers.com

...because hey, who cares if we tank the entire f-ing economy as long as it preserves my God-given right to avoid insurance, then go to the ER when I hurt myself and pin the costs on the hospital.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:36 AM  

Kit Fister: Heliovdrake: The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.YOU GET NOTHING.ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!YOU LOSE!GOOD DAY SIR.

You do realize that assuming that by voting against Romney and for Obama, that's just a statement of "fark romney", and not necessarily a referendum on ACA or anything, right? I voted for Obama because i hated romney. I also hate the ACA because it's a garbage law that doesn't do much to help the situation other than add in new taxes and force insurance companies to take on more people/risk.

So, while the alternative to the ACA is shiattier, if I had my druthers, the ACA would be replaced with comprehensive regulation and price controls for life-saving equipment, medicine, and most care, a basic national plan which private insurers can supplement to add benefit (better coverage for more stuff than the national plan, etc.), and continue to make costs of insurance tax deductible.

Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.


The GOP made the election a referendum on the ACA and on Obama's policies in general. Didn't pan out.
 
2013-10-15 11:11:43 AM  
Can anybody spare a cherry wood coffin to bury me in? End of the road folks  Just kidding I can't die
 
2013-10-15 11:11:52 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


It is apparent that a lot more happens in this country than you are aware of.

2/10
 
2013-10-15 11:12:11 AM  
If some of the reporting is right, and the House is going to pass this piece of shiat and then skip down, we are well and truly farked.
 
2013-10-15 11:12:25 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Check your next 401k statement. Consequences will indeed be felt.
 
2013-10-15 11:12:25 AM  

George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...


Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?
 
2013-10-15 11:12:34 AM  

George Babbitt: Kit Fister: Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.

^This


Oh Jesus Christ. You people can rationalize anything.

"It's not that people voted for Obama even though he continues to have high poll numbers and be quite popular. It's just that they thought the last crop of RINOs was worse! I know, let's veer even harder to the right! That's what the American people, especially those slutty women and lazy ethnic minorities think!"
 
2013-10-15 11:12:51 AM  

QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.


Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.
 
2013-10-15 11:12:53 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.


No shiat.  The Constitution says spending bills need to originate in the House.  Boner doesn't want to commit to anything so he make the Senate submit their proposals first.  Once the Senate makes the proposal with a concession he pushes it just a little more.
 
2013-10-15 11:12:56 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Medicare. VA Hospitals.

There's two that operate cheaper and more efficiently than the private sector.
 
2013-10-15 11:13:03 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.


So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.


www.sportsbarpokertour.com

Obama


www.lssproducts.com


Tea Tards

 
2013-10-15 11:13:05 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


And not a single wretch was saved that day.
 
2013-10-15 11:13:08 AM  

you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!


Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?
 
2013-10-15 11:13:10 AM  
Can't use the "This is Obama's shutdown" talkingpoint anymore.

Can't use the "Obama refuses to even come to the negotiation table" talkingpoint anymore.

All they're left with is their base motivations from Day 1:  "Gimme what I want, or I shoot the hostage".
 
2013-10-15 11:13:10 AM  

netweavr: Weaver95: Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?

Not for the baggers, no. They see a default as a victory.

To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.


Gods I hope so...this thing is a gotdamn mess.
 
2013-10-15 11:13:29 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.


This is so true.
 
2013-10-15 11:13:38 AM  

Peki: Sent an email to Senator Warren.

I want to know who owns what stocks, and I want to know right now. Darrel Issa, Ted Cruz, Jim
DeMint, Eric Cantor, and I want Romney's too.

I want to know EXACTLY who is buying shorts right now, because I'll bet anything that's what it's all about.

Take a few million, buy a grip of shorts. Keep leaking news of a "deal" so the market will run up and be optimistic. Sell the profits on the few million you didn't use for short, then buy more shorts.

Step 3: profit, no matter which way this goes.


I've said this ever since Congress reinstituted insider trading for its members. If their going to insider trade, they're going to straddle or short like there's no tomorrow in these situations. They're going to make millions for themselves and their buddies while Americans' 401Ks are going to plummet. Americans will panic and sell at a loss. And whose going to buy up those cheap shares? Yep....
 
2013-10-15 11:13:48 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


farking Constitution.  How does it work?
 
2013-10-15 11:13:52 AM  

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...


More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.
 
2013-10-15 11:14:03 AM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


then pay the fine
 
2013-10-15 11:14:09 AM  

netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.


Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-15 11:14:29 AM  
Is this the part where republicans begin to cannibalize each other and out of the mess a new GOP emerges that would put Darwin's natural selection to shame?
 
2013-10-15 11:14:31 AM  

doyner: Kit Fister: Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.

So you agree, then, that giving the GOP House wasn't a referendum to repeal it either.


I do agree.  If you want a referendum on something, then have a special vote of the people on the issue. Stop assuming that people are choosing candidates based on one issue and ignoring everything else as a referendum. If anything candidate historical data is more important than his current mouthnoise on a particular topic.
 
2013-10-15 11:14:39 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Exactly. I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I was able to utilize the WA exchange and find insurance that was better than the insurance we'd had to buy on our own last year that was $500 cheaper each month. Better insurance. Lower deductibles. No copays (versus $40 copays). $500 cheaper per month. And even though we're solidly middle class making more than the median yearly income, we'd get a subsidy to help us pay for the insurance (which is why it was $500 cheaper and not $350).


Here's my story...

Got onto the federal exchange and looked around the plans. I qualify for no subsidies (make too much). The two plans I'm looking for will either drop my kids deductibles from $5k to either A) $2k, or B)zero dollars. Co-pays will go from $25 to either A) $30 or B) $40. My wife's deductible will go from $1K to whatever will be the kids plan. I now will be able to get individual insurance that includes maternity coverage, so I don't have to have my wife on my employer's expensive plans.

Net savings each month? Between $200 or $300, depending on which plan I go with.

Thanks Obama!
 
2013-10-15 11:14:40 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: but I was able to utilize the WA exchange and find insurance that was better than the insurance we'd had to buy on our own last year that was $500 cheaper each month. Better insurance. Lower deductibles. No copays (versus $40 copays). $500 cheaper per month. And even though we're solidly middle class making more than the median yearly income, we'd get a subsidy to help us pay for the insurance (which is why it was $500 cheaper and not $350).


Our experience as well (NY). Our insurance was more than our mortgage, for shiat coverage with an insane deductible that we never even came close to hitting, and wouldn't have without a hospitalization or a major illness. We couldn't afford it. With the ACA we can afford to insure our family. We are middle class small business owners. Not poor people.
 
2013-10-15 11:14:41 AM  
If the ACA sucks so badly, let it fail and then repeal it.  But the GOP isn't worried about that, they're terrified people will try ObamaCare and like it.  And then it will NEVER go away and will be untouchable, like Medicare.
 
2013-10-15 11:14:43 AM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


If you're poor enough, you should be on Medicaid. Sucks to be you if you're in a Hunger Games style red state (for states with a high proportion of self-proclaimed Christians, their state governments see to delight on minimizing services to help the poor survive).

Obamacare is NOT universal healthcare. It is a Republican/private market health program that is better than what we had before, but still not like what every other first world nation. When you see those polls about people who do not support Obamacare, typically 15-25% of those don't support it because of this - it does not go far enough.
 
2013-10-15 11:14:52 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.


I was thinking about this last weekend and how any bill signed into law will almost certainly leave the economic nuclear bombs of letting government funding and borrowing authorities lapse armed and at the fingertips of anybody willing to handle them. I also thought about a proposal that No Labels put out years ago, the one that the GOP latched onto earlier in the year to force the Senate to pass a budget resolution or withhold pay. That was a (admittedly selfish) attempt to change the incentives in the political system and make it so Congress has to be responsible with the government's funding. So why not change the incentives permanently by writing the budget process into the Constitution? And instead of threatening something small and petty like a paycheck which these millionaires could care little about, why not make it a big incentive like their job?

Here was the proposal I came up with.

Section 1: If, by April 1st, Congress has not approved a common budget between the two chambers, it shall be a privileged motion to call for a vote on any budget resolution that has the support of ten percent of the chamber.

Section 2: If, by October 1st, Congress has not approved and the President has not signed into law all common appropriations bills, all previous appropriations shall be continued, and the Supreme Court shall call an election for all federally elected officials to be held on the first Tuesday of December.

Section 3: Consistent with the intent of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, Congress shall not have the power to limit the borrowing authority of the federal government.

Any thoughts?
 
2013-10-15 11:14:57 AM  
nekom: "Then they shouldn't have named it Obamacare. That stands to really backfire on them."

Flip-flopping and re-branding that thing wouldn't take them a second.
It'll be back to RomneyCare just in time to rehabilitate Mitt's image before one, or several, of his sons make a Congressional run.
These people are effortless masters at double-think.
 
2013-10-15 11:15:00 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.


Seconded.  Completely agree with you.
 
2013-10-15 11:15:02 AM  
Democrat should add single payer to the CR as a condition of passage.
 
2013-10-15 11:15:13 AM  

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


That's likely because your boss is a dick.
 
2013-10-15 11:15:13 AM  
Well, that was a pointless press conference. "We want fairness for all Americans. Now get me away from this microphone".
 
2013-10-15 11:15:13 AM  

ManateeGag: Taxation without representation!

herpa-derpa-doo!


WORSE. They had representation, and they just didn't like the result...
 
2013-10-15 11:15:20 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: I'm all for a 3rd party. Lets elect cats.


Yes...  lets do that...

josibear.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-15 11:15:33 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace Derp" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

 
2013-10-15 11:15:44 AM  

DarnoKonrad: George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?


That's embarrassing.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:12 AM  
For everyone complaining about the ACA, can you please actually pay attention to what the House is doing here. The House's entire move here is simply replacing a benefit to employers and unions with a benefit to medical device manufacturers. There's no fight here about Obamacare - it's purely them wanting to fark unions at the expense of industry donors. This is what they are fighting over at this point.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:21 AM  
Curiously, Article 5 would allow the States to bypass Congress entirely here.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:28 AM  
Lets talk 17 Repubs in rock solid not-gonna-get-primaried districts into changing to Democrats for 1 week.  That changes the majority to Dem, we elect a new speaker of the house (we'll even pick a rookie instead of Pelosi just to show the Repubs we're not dicking them over), and we can pass a clean CR as well as the bill from March that makes a clean CR automatic, and a bill extending the debt limit.  Once the Senate passes the reconciled bills, the 17 Repubs go back to being Repubs and we're done.  If the Teabaggers start pushing bills to undo the debt limit increase or the CR, it just shows how assholey nihilists they really are and provides all the ammo necessary to kill the tea party for good next year
 
2013-10-15 11:16:29 AM  

make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING


This is SOP for the republicans.

Next they will blame the failing system on the program rather than their crippling of it.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:32 AM  
A journo just asked Boehner if it was worth it.  Boehner looked like he was holding back explosive diarrhea.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:51 AM  

Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?

Not for the baggers, no. They see a default as a victory.

To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Gods I hope so...this thing is a gotdamn mess.


Truer words were never spoken.

I simply cannot fathom why the GOP is letting them get away with this.  Their political operatives may be completely soulless, but Kreist, they're not stupid.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:55 AM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.
 
2013-10-15 11:16:56 AM  
I don't know. I'm not going to pass judgment on the ACA yet. It has not taken full effect yet and there are people saying how great it IS. It IS not great yet, nor is it bad yet. We'll all find out after it is in 100% full operation. That's what the baggers are worried about. That's why they keep kicking the DC and fiscal deal down the farking road short term. They are hoping that when the ACA takes full effect that it will implode under its own weight. If it goes good, OH MY, the wailing and gnashing of teeth that will happen.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:02 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: OKAY, DERP IS COMING OUT




i865.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 11:17:06 AM  

George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.


Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:14 AM  

DamnYankees: For everyone complaining about the ACA, can you please actually pay attention to what the House is doing here. The House's entire move here is simply replacing a benefit to employers and unions with a benefit to medical device manufacturers. There's no fight here about Obamacare - it's purely them wanting to fark unions at the expense of industry donors. This is what they are fighting over at this point.


And if they don't get their way, they'll gut the US economy.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:19 AM  

InmanRoshi: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace Derp" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


To be fair, their derp is pretty amazing.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:21 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The GOP made the election a referendum on the ACA and on Obama's policies in general. Didn't pan out.


Friggin' this.  I'm sick of this talking point that "just because Obama was reelected doesn't meant that ACA is popular."  Yes, it farking does.  It was the ONLY thing Romney was consistent about as a candidate.  How many times did he say he'd repeal Obamacare on his first day in office?

No, the GOP made it a referendum on Obamacare.  People may have disliked Romney, but they obviously disliked Obamacare less, because they chose, overwhelmingly, to leave Obama and his signature legislation in place.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:24 AM  

George Babbitt: DarnoKonrad: George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?

That's embarrassing.



You're the one complaining you can't afford 175 bucks a month.    Being a worthless troll must not pay much eh?
 
2013-10-15 11:17:28 AM  
One of our state's Congressional Tea Party twits was quoted in the paper talking about how default would be great in the long run because it will bring federal spending under control. The human mind's ability to rationalize is a frightening thing. These people have no guilt about what they are doing bc they have convinced themselves they are 100% in the right.
 
2013-10-15 11:17:36 AM  

shastacola: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

Good God,they are completely insane.


At least it wasn't "Nearer My God To Thee".
 
2013-10-15 11:17:42 AM  

dwrash: Delaying the individual mandate for a year is in the best interests of the democratic party.. its a shame that they cannot see this.  It avoids the favoritism that the unions are other deep pocket lobbiests are getting and it will allow them to get HealthCare.gov ironed out (which from all reports is a 6-9 month all hands on deck project since it's design is fundamentally flawed.. which will push it past the open enrollment deadline).. if they don't push it out, the democrats are going to catch hell when people have to pay their IRS fines.  Right now the shut down is obscuring most of the healthcare.gov issues... once the shutdown goes away, and media focuses full time on healthcare.gov.. the shiat is going to hit the fan.

As far as the medical devices tax... the entire idea of taxing a single industry to pay for associated ACA costs was stupid from the get-go... whoever got this included in the ACA should be run out of town... it's causing medical device manufacturers to ship their manufacturing overseas so that laber costs are lowered.

Common sense.. both parties need to find some.


i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-15 11:17:47 AM  
On a side note, it's nice to see that Republicans apparently no longer believe big business should have special privileges over individuals.
 
2013-10-15 11:18:10 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.


For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.
 
2013-10-15 11:18:21 AM  

Mentat: A journo just asked Boehner if it was worth it.  Boehner looked like he was holding back explosive diarrhea.


I was impressed how easily he dodged the question without filling his shorts
 
2013-10-15 11:18:30 AM  

Boba Chet: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

farking Constitution.  How does it work?


They have a chaplain.  In both houses.  What about the Constitution?
 
2013-10-15 11:18:38 AM  

jayhawk88: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

It really is a Holy War now, isn't it?


We've been at the point of "Holy shiat, they're doing what now?" for a while. The House Republicans are so mockable even McCain's comedic timing has had a bit of resurrection.
 
2013-10-15 11:18:40 AM  

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]


Lol... The fact that Rubio and Bush are put forth as possible Presidents by the GOP is hysterical.
 
2013-10-15 11:18:47 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.


Did you just second your own post?
 
2013-10-15 11:18:52 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Democrat should add single payer to the CR as a condition of passage.


THIS.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:00 AM  

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]


President Rubio or Bush, eh?

Allow me to guffaw at an increased volume.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:09 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: One of our state's Congressional Tea Party twits was quoted in the paper talking about how default would be great in the long run because it will bring federal spending under control. The human mind's ability to rationalize is a frightening thing. These people have no guilt about what they are doing bc they have convinced themselves they are 100% in the right.


These are the same people who said we should have let the banks fail so that we could go through a quick depression.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:14 AM  

TNel: Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

That's what is making the GOP worried.  If they let ACA go through people will find out how good it is and then they will never win another election.  Again GOP only cares about themselvs and not who voted for them.


That, and it makes the Blah man look even better. The GOP must be getting tired of Obama constantly making them look like brainless goons.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:16 AM  

jayhawk88: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

It really is a Holy War now, isn't it?


That's what kills me. If they really think God is on their side, why do they have to resort to such desperate tactics? Can't they just pray the nasty Osamacare away?
 
2013-10-15 11:19:18 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.

Did you just second your own post?


He can do that.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:32 AM  

ArkPanda: shastacola: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

Good God,they are completely insane.

At least it wasn't "Nearer My God To Thee".


I lol'd.
 
2013-10-15 11:19:40 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.


Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?
 
2013-10-15 11:19:45 AM  

Notabunny: Mentat: A journo just asked Boehner if it was worth it.  Boehner looked like he was holding back explosive diarrhea.

I was impressed how easily he dodged the question without filling his shorts


It was impressive.
 
2013-10-15 11:20:09 AM  

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.


You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?
 
2013-10-15 11:20:20 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?


Yep, and you need to stop buying so much midget porn.
 
2013-10-15 11:20:32 AM  

QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.


Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.
 
2013-10-15 11:20:37 AM  
Guys.. I really dont think they were after the medical device tax the whole time.  No, thats an out for the tea-party... a way to save face and say "See?  we stopped a tax!", so they chose something nobody really gives a shiat about... medical device tax... as a sacrificial offering.
 
2013-10-15 11:20:39 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.

Did you just second your own post?


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2013-10-15 11:20:39 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.


THIS
 
2013-10-15 11:20:56 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?


It's a sham, no one's that stupid.
 
2013-10-15 11:21:10 AM  

Mentat: On a side note, it's nice to see that Republicans apparently no longer believe big business should have special privileges over individuals.


I'll believe that when Texas executes a few
 
2013-10-15 11:21:36 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.


So vote Republican?
 
2013-10-15 11:21:40 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Medicare runs much cheaper than private health insurance. Social security is also very efficient and doesn't run the risk of default like private pension plans (unless congress sabotages it). But you likely won't accept those examples.
 
2013-10-15 11:21:45 AM  

Notabunny: Mentat: On a side note, it's nice to see that Republicans apparently no longer believe big business should have special privileges over individuals.

I'll believe that when Texas executes a few


And puts up laws preventing the abortion of new corporations.
 
2013-10-15 11:21:58 AM  

InmanRoshi: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace Derp" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


Amazing Derp, how sweet the sound
That left my brain behind
I once was found, but now am lost
Could see, but now I'm blind
 
2013-10-15 11:21:59 AM  
Serious Black: "So we do this all over again in 3 months?"

As these clowns are incapable of compromise (by design) hostage-taking is all they have.
They will absolutely blow up the world economy before they give that up.

Not to mention that each time we do this, the previous runs apparently slide into slightly-fuzzier memory.
How many people even remember 2011 last one and all the bad-faith negotiating involved there?
The sequester itself is an artifact of the GOP reneging on the deal they cut.
But who seems to remember that?

If they take the hostage a couple more times, and manage to act almost-sensibly about the situation right before the election, this mess might as well have never happened in the memories of the voters.
 
2013-10-15 11:22:13 AM  
The best part was the GOP Congressman saying "we shouldn't give big businesses special treatment" without beshatting his Armani from laughing so hard
 
2013-10-15 11:22:24 AM  

Weaver95: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

That's likely because your boss is a dick.


Sock profile, check the date.
 
2013-10-15 11:22:30 AM  

George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.


Are you referring to medical waste and fraud?  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-07/needless-stents-alleged-at-k e ntucky-hospital-amid-2-year-probe.html
 
2013-10-15 11:22:50 AM  

Aquapope: Lets talk 17 Repubs in rock solid not-gonna-get-primaried districts into changing to Democrats for 1 week.  That changes the majority to Dem, we elect a new speaker of the house


More realistic (and with precedence) is Democrats agree to support/vote for Boehner as Speaker if he agrees to put bills up for a vote and gets challenged for it. Boehner is sane, just spineless. And for Democrats imagine their image boost if they are shown keeping their word and begrudgingly, but honorably, protecting Boehner's flank from the Republican crazies.
 
2013-10-15 11:23:05 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


1) Do everything you can to screw up the government.

2) Campaign on the premise that government is screwed up and we need less of it.

3) Profit.
 
2013-10-15 11:23:06 AM  

QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

Are you referring to medical waste and fraud?  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-07/needless-stents-alleged-at-k e ntucky-hospital-amid-2-year-probe.html


I think he's a troll, your eminence.
 
2013-10-15 11:23:28 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?


It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.
 
2013-10-15 11:24:09 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


This takes an appalling amount of ignorance of American History.

I suggest you read up on where our economy stood and what it looked like before the Federal Reserve was established.   And I'm talking about from reputable source of History and Economics, not a 3 page Paulite pamphlet with lotsa pictures of Eagles and Flags.
 
2013-10-15 11:24:15 AM  

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Yep, and you need to stop buying so much midget porn.


Folks, the NSA has moles at Fark and its name is nekom
 
2013-10-15 11:24:23 AM  

Infernalist: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

1) Do everything you can to screw up the government.

2) Campaign on the premise that government is screwed up and we need less of it.

3) Profit.


It baffles me that voters will elect people who's stated goal is to destroy the government.
 
2013-10-15 11:24:36 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

Are you referring to medical waste and fraud?  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-07/needless-stents-alleged-at-k e ntucky-hospital-amid-2-year-probe.html

I think he's a troll, your eminence.


You. I like you.
 
2013-10-15 11:25:13 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: [img.photobucket.com image 624x300]


You forgot to draw the hostages and the nuke in the elephant is holding over them.
 
2013-10-15 11:25:15 AM  

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?

It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.


You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

You did know that, right?
 
2013-10-15 11:25:16 AM  
Ok, to everybody that thinks this is NOT the Republicans fault.

What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?
 
2013-10-15 11:25:24 AM  

George Babbitt: Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?


I know that I do not want to spend my money for your lazy cheap ass to have emergency only care when you take your busted stupid ass into the ER.

Act like an adult and farking pay your fair share asshole.
 
2013-10-15 11:25:53 AM  

Kornchex: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

It is apparent that a lot more happens in this country than you are aware of.

2/10


Oh, please wise and sagacious sir, educate me with your wisdom.  I'm breathlessly waiting for you to grace me with a drop of your vast knowledge of this country.
 
2013-10-15 11:26:24 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Not sure what good an example of that would do, since the ACA is not a government takeover of health care. It's a mandate that you have to buy private insurance.

Pay attention.
 
2013-10-15 11:26:35 AM  
i.imgur.com

No changes to the ACA at all, or else they will do this again.
 
2013-10-15 11:26:46 AM  

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?

It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.


WAAAH IT'S NOT FAIR I PAY MY PREMIUMS AND DON'T GET SICK.

I PAY MY TAXES BUT DO NOT DRAW SSI YET.

I PAY FOR CAR INSURANCE BUT DON'T GET IN ACCIDENTS.

IT'S ALL ABOUT ME! SOCIETY SHOULD EXIST FOR ME!
 
2013-10-15 11:26:54 AM  

you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!


Unfortunately, this.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:11 AM  

George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: Obama's Reptiloid Master: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Do you qualify for the tax credit? What about the minimum coverage (there is a cheaper plan than bronze).

Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

More than NOT HAVING F*CKING INSURANCE I IMAGINE.

For an average youngish healthy male, I never come close to hitting $5000 before coverage would kick in. I had a $1500 deductible a few years back and didn't even reach that amount.

You.. don't get how insurance works, do you?

It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.


You want a return on your investment huh? How about you not being bankrupt and penniless if, god forbid, you had a major medical event occur. THAT'S THE POINT OF INSURANCE!

If you want a slight return on your investment, get an HSA compatible plan and put some money into it. You get a tax break on the money you put into the HSA and once you've got enough to in there to make you feel comfortable, you'll have lower rates.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:17 AM  

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


I'm sure that's Obama's fault and not your employer or the group insurer they deal with.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:23 AM  

maniacbastard: George Babbitt: Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

I know that I do not want to spend my money for your lazy cheap ass to have emergency only care when you take your busted stupid ass into the ER.

Act like an adult and farking pay your fair share asshole.


I do have insurance. For how long, IDK, with my employer looking at leaving us to fend for ourselves in the ACA marketplaces. Your assumptions of what I do and what I have are way off base.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:27 AM  

impaler: Ok, to everybody that thinks this is NOT the Republicans fault.

What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?


I want it to be required by law to pimp slap one's elected officials at least once a year... but I don't think that's on the table right now.

/Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell and Thomas Massie have slappable faces
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 11:27:36 AM  
There isn't a corporate dick that Eric Cantor wouldn't suck.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:50 AM  

InmanRoshi: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

This takes an appalling amount of ignorance of American History.

I suggest you read up on where our economy stood and what it looked like before the Federal Reserve was established.   And I'm talking about from reputable source of History and Economics, not a 3 page Paulite pamphlet with lotsa pictures of Eagles and Flags.


They could also compare and contrast the end of World War II and the end of the Iraq war and how the veterans fared in combat and post-service. We had 30 years of amazing change and economic growth in the country due to the WWII GI Bil. l can't say the same for the country after the debacle of Iraq.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:56 AM  
GOP suicide, for when you can't admit that the last thirty three years of your world view, social policies, and economics have been bad for the United States. The cognitive dissonance on this one has driven them insane. They really can't admit that for thirty three yeas they have been on the wrong side of history on every economic, every social, and every foreign policy issue.
 
2013-10-15 11:27:57 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: Did you just second your own post?


If liberals will vote multiple times for the same candidate in the same election, why can't I?
 
2013-10-15 11:28:24 AM  

Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?


That is the first time in history I have ever heard of insurance doing that and if true would be awesome, citation needed though, if you please.
 
2013-10-15 11:28:28 AM  

impaler: What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?


Soshalizum.
 
2013-10-15 11:28:31 AM  

Notabunny: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

[img.photobucket.com image 800x531]


The funny part is part of the restructuring resulted in the dismantling of the group that designed that.
 
2013-10-15 11:28:44 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Mike Chewbacca: Did you just second your own post?

If liberals will vote multiple times for the same candidate in the same election, why can't I?


What election is your post running as a candidate in?
 
2013-10-15 11:28:55 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?


Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.
 
2013-10-15 11:29:08 AM  

namegoeshere: those with preexisting conditions, etc.?


This is why I tentatively support the ACA.  No other plan put forward by anybody to compete with the ACA addresses this issue, and until something surfaces which does address this problem, I will continue to support the ACA.  Having a preexisting condition should not be a death sentence for somebody outside of the ability to get into an employer group plan.
 
2013-10-15 11:29:35 AM  

Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?


That doesn't sound true at all.
 
2013-10-15 11:29:39 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


None, besides every other industrial country on the planet.

newshour.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-10-15 11:29:39 AM  

Notabunny: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

[img.photobucket.com image 800x531]


Yes, wonderful job with that Government takeover - we're only losing $10 Billion on that deal.  That's like an A+ for the goverment.  The ACA will lose us a healthy few trillion, which is more like it.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/07/autos/la-fi-hy-taxpayers-los s- gm-bailout-20130607

And compare GM to Ford, who took no money in bailouts and is doing fine.  Nope, not a realistic example.
 
2013-10-15 11:29:55 AM  
Nancy Pelosi is up to bat next
 
2013-10-15 11:29:57 AM  

kidgenius: It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.

You want a return on your investment huh? How about you not being bankrupt and penniless if, god forbid, you had a major medical event occur. THAT'S THE POINT OF INSURANCE!

If you want a slight return on your investment, get an HSA compatible plan and put some money into it. You get a tax break on the money you put into the HSA and once you've got enough to in there to make you feel comfortable, you'll have lower rates.


I was merely stating that the scrip only costs $4 without insurance, not that I don't have any. Geez.
 
2013-10-15 11:29:58 AM  

George Babbitt: maniacbastard: George Babbitt: Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

I know that I do not want to spend my money for your lazy cheap ass to have emergency only care when you take your busted stupid ass into the ER.

Act like an adult and farking pay your fair share asshole.

I do have insurance. For how long, IDK, with my employer looking at leaving us to fend for ourselves in the ACA marketplaces. Your assumptions of what I do and what I have are way off base.


So get your tax credit and let the free market take care of you!

Quit being a taker and depending your boss to pay yor premium with your pre-tax income using a group rate he was able to negotiate.
 
2013-10-15 11:30:22 AM  

George Babbitt: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That is the first time in history I have ever heard of insurance doing that and if true would be awesome, citation needed though, if you please.


No, it's not true.

The insurance companies are required to send you a check, refunding part of your premiums, if THEY don't spend >=80% on medical care. I received a check last year from Aetna because they hadn't met this. It's averaged across ALL of their plans though, not just an individual.
 
2013-10-15 11:30:41 AM  
Looks like I have to write to Mr. Cantor... AGAIN.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:00 AM  

Having spent two hours talking to House Republicans, my expert investment advice is: Short everything

- daveweigel (@daveweigel) October 15, 2013


Sell, Mortimer! Sell!
 
2013-10-15 11:31:01 AM  

Gunther: Isn't the deadline to avoid a default today? WTF are they doing rejecting bipartisan deals at this stage?

Do they farking understand what happens if they overplay their (incredibly weak) hand?


It's Thursday. But they still need to hurry. It's still gotta get through the Senate (including a likely Cruz filibuster, which could easily take 24 hours) and the House, where it will see a lot of opposition, before it can be signed into law.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:17 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


The public school system.

/Yes, really, go look it up.
//Same with mail service.
///And yes, you need to compare it to what was in place before those existed, not compared to what you wish you had in utopia.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:20 AM  

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


I voted Lemon Party once, but I got vetoed.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:22 AM  

QueenMamaBee: impaler: Ok, to everybody that thinks this is NOT the Republicans fault.

What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?

I want it to be required by law to pimp slap one's elected officials at least once a year... but I don't think that's on the table right now.

/Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell and Thomas Massie have slappable faces


I'd have to be wearing a thick metal glove to touch McConnell's face.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:28 AM  

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


Look.  It's a noob.  Point and laugh at the noob.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:47 AM  

George Babbitt: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That is the first time in history I have ever heard of insurance doing that and if true would be awesome, citation needed though, if you please.


5 seconds with google

Here
 
2013-10-15 11:31:48 AM  

silo123j: Looks like I have to write to Mr. Cantor... AGAIN.


I've got the form open on another tab to write my teabagger house-troll, but the right words elude me.
 
2013-10-15 11:31:59 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: QueenMamaBee: impaler: Ok, to everybody that thinks this is NOT the Republicans fault.

What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?

I want it to be required by law to pimp slap one's elected officials at least once a year... but I don't think that's on the table right now.

/Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell and Thomas Massie have slappable faces

I'd have to be wearing a thick metal glove to touch McConnell's face.


It's called a gauntlet. Hellooo?
 
2013-10-15 11:32:08 AM  

George Babbitt: Your assumptions of what I do and what I have are way off base.


All I see is a whiner, whining about being an adult and whining about being forced to pay for your own damn healthcare.

Or are you not whining about being an adult and having to pay your fair share?

Regardless of how healthy you are, you are still subject to a random accident that can cost ME and others a shiatton of money to fix your busted cheap whiny ass, loser.
 
2013-10-15 11:32:11 AM  

George Babbitt: kidgenius: It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.

You want a return on your investment huh? How about you not being bankrupt and penniless if, god forbid, you had a major medical event occur. THAT'S THE POINT OF INSURANCE!

If you want a slight return on your investment, get an HSA compatible plan and put some money into it. You get a tax break on the money you put into the HSA and once you've got enough to in there to make you feel comfortable, you'll have lower rates.

I was merely stating that the scrip only costs $4 without insurance, not that I don't have any. Geez.


I didn't say you don't have it, I was saying that the return on your investment will come if you got sick. Want to get an immediate return? Go do something that will get you sick and require hospitalization. Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.
 
2013-10-15 11:32:22 AM  
I think it's time for me to join a political party, and I think I am going to register as a Republican. I need to do my part in a swing district in California during primary season, and help elect a moderate like myself.
 
2013-10-15 11:32:37 AM  

GoldSpider: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That doesn't sound true at all.


It's not my fault you don't know how to google.

Here
 
2013-10-15 11:32:48 AM  

GoldSpider: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

I'm sure that's Obama's fault and not your employer or the group insurer they deal with.


Every $250 is an extra abortion at the provider of your choice.
 
2013-10-15 11:32:54 AM  
Voters to Republicans next election:

We hate to say we told you so...

So, we won't; we'll just vote your party into unemployment.

The GOP seems to be afflicted with a severe case of mass stupidity.
 
2013-10-15 11:33:01 AM  

Serious Black: Section 1: If, by April 1st, Congress has not approved a common budget between the two chambers, it shall be a privileged motion to call for a vote on any budget resolution that has the support of ten percent of the chamber.

Section 2: If, by October 1st, Congress has not approved and the President has not signed into law all common appropriations bills, all previous appropriations shall be continued, and the Supreme Court shall call an election for all federally elected officials to be held on the first Tuesday of December.

Section 3: Consistent with the intent of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, Congress shall not have the power to limit the borrowing authority of the federal government.


I like it!!

The big concern would be that in this case, the House would refuse to compromise, to force another chance to unseat Obama. I think you would have to add that all sitting members of the House would be ineligible to run again, or possibly all Federal elected officials permanently ineligible for any future elected office.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 11:33:08 AM  

silo123j: Looks like I have to write to Mr. Cantor... AGAIN.


Do you have corporate money to give him?  If not don't bother.
 
2013-10-15 11:33:43 AM  

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That is the first time in history I have ever heard of insurance doing that and if true would be awesome, citation needed though, if you please.

5 seconds with google

Here


That's different from what you stated. The insurance companies only send you a check if they, as a company, spent less than 80% on medical care. If you don't use any of your insurance, that doesn't mean you get a refund for the difference.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 11:33:54 AM  

GoodyearPimp: GoldSpider: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

I'm sure that's Obama's fault and not your employer or the group insurer they deal with.

Every $250 is an extra abortion at the provider of your choice.


Attacks at that level aren't worth anything more than a big fark you.
 
2013-10-15 11:34:03 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.


Don't have cable, have a great-grandfathered plan with mobile carrier going back 25 years and it's cheaper than any contract you've ever heard of, don't have an iPad/tablet, and we never eat out as we abstain from all artificial food additives. As I said elsewhere, we have insurance, don't know for how long with employer's mindset on the current healthcare laws, but if they left us to fend for ourselves in the marketplaces, it would not be good.
 
2013-10-15 11:34:08 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: QueenMamaBee: impaler: Ok, to everybody that thinks this is NOT the Republicans fault.

What do the Democrats want? What political item are the asking for in order to hold up the continuing resolution and debt ceiling?

I want it to be required by law to pimp slap one's elected officials at least once a year... but I don't think that's on the table right now.

/Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell and Thomas Massie have slappable faces

I'd have to be wearing a thick metal glove to touch McConnell's face.

It's called a gauntlet. Hellooo?


You can't mention gauntlet without slashie-ing:

/elf needs food, badly!
 
2013-10-15 11:34:13 AM  

stovepipe: karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.

Are these considered medical devices?

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If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.


No.
theredshtick.com
It's only a GOP-approved medical device if it includes at least one machine gun.
 
2013-10-15 11:34:32 AM  

HammerMill: Kornchex: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

It is apparent that a lot more happens in this country than you are aware of.

2/10

Oh, please wise and sagacious sir, educate me with your wisdom.


So you can ignore it just to make your next talking point?  Child please...
 
2013-10-15 11:34:36 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.


All part of the extinction behavior, right now we are seeing an extinction burst. See when attempting to extinguish a behavior you get more of the bad behavior as the subject attempts to get rewarded. For these poor dumb Republican beasts the extinction burst has been extreme, but reorganization is starting to occur and in three months the Republican animals behavior will be less then it is today as the reward has proven to have been taken away.

Hence the fight in three months will be less then it is today, unless of course the Senate and President does reward the Republican beast with something, like stopping the medical device tax. This is all about training the irrational dumb Republican beast like any good behavioral psychologist should.
 
2013-10-15 11:34:40 AM  

Infernalist: 5 seconds with google

Here


"An estimated 8.5 million Americans will receive rebates from their health insurers this summer thanks to the Affordable Care Act, which says companies that fail to spend at least 80 percent of premiums on health care must refund the difference to consumers."

Which is nothing at all like "insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time"
 
2013-10-15 11:35:20 AM  

Infernalist: GoldSpider: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That doesn't sound true at all.

It's not my fault you don't know how to google.

Here



Reading comprehension.  You don't have it.
 
2013-10-15 11:35:33 AM  

GoldSpider: silo123j: Looks like I have to write to Mr. Cantor... AGAIN.

I've got the form open on another tab to write my teabagger house-troll, but the right words elude me.


For mine I sent that I wasn't sure if he was just an opportunist or just ignorant.  I finished with that if the Republicans crash the economy I hoped that God would have mercy on his soul because most of the voters sure as hell won't.
 
2013-10-15 11:35:49 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


Environment
Roads
Schools
... and I really have no more time for your idiocy.  Besides, I'm not sure you would be able to count past 3.
 
2013-10-15 11:35:50 AM  

kidgenius: Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.


Only beacause healthcare costs too much. There are stories coming out now about some doctors are not taking insurance anymore and are able to offer cheaper services.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 11:36:13 AM  

2wolves: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

Look.  It's a noob.  Point and laugh at the noob.


It's a hard argument to make to someone that is infected with today's common strain of mass selfishness, but there are a lot of people going from $800 or more a month down to the low hundreds or less.  There is massive re-balancing of the system going on...
 
2013-10-15 11:36:21 AM  

GoodyearPimp: Reading comprehension. You don't have it.


In all fairness, nobody ever claimed that Republicans have a monopoly on lying about the ACA.
 
2013-10-15 11:36:24 AM  

derpy: dwrash: Delaying the individual mandate for a year is in the best interests of the democratic party.. its a shame that they cannot see this.  It avoids the favoritism that the unions are other deep pocket lobbiests are getting and it will allow them to get HealthCare.gov ironed out (which from all reports is a 6-9 month all hands on deck project since it's design is fundamentally flawed.. which will push it past the open enrollment deadline).. if they don't push it out, the democrats are going to catch hell when people have to pay their IRS fines.  Right now the shut down is obscuring most of the healthcare.gov issues... once the shutdown goes away, and media focuses full time on healthcare.gov.. the shiat is going to hit the fan.

As far as the medical devices tax... the entire idea of taxing a single industry to pay for associated ACA costs was stupid from the get-go... whoever got this included in the ACA should be run out of town... it's causing medical device manufacturers to ship their manufacturing overseas so that laber costs are lowered.

Common sense.. both parties need to find some.

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And this is why most people on this site are farking morons.
 
2013-10-15 11:36:26 AM  

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Yep, and you need to stop buying so much midget porn.



Hey lets not trash midget porn, it costs half as much as regular porn and I'm on a budget.


\I took you off <green> and Troll. Welcome back
 
2013-10-15 11:36:37 AM  

RDixon: Voters to Republicans next election:

We hate to say we told you so...

So, we won't; we'll just vote your party into unemployment.

The GOP seems to be afflicted with a severe case of mass stupidity.


You're putting a lot of stock into thinking that places like Texas can learn from its mistakes. A state that was run by George W Bush and then elected him to presidency.
 
2013-10-15 11:36:58 AM  

maniacbastard: George Babbitt: Your assumptions of what I do and what I have are way off base.

All I see is a whiner, whining about being an adult and whining about being forced to pay for your own damn healthcare.

Or are you not whining about being an adult and having to pay your fair share?

Regardless of how healthy you are, you are still subject to a random accident that can cost ME and others a shiatton of money to fix your busted cheap whiny ass, loser.


I have insurance, read the other comments and don't just jump down my throat with the first low hanging fruit you see.
 
2013-10-15 11:37:12 AM  

d23: 2wolves: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

Look.  It's a noob.  Point and laugh at the noob.

It's a hard argument to make to someone that is infected with today's common strain of mass selfishness, but there are a lot of people going from $800 or more a month down to the low hundreds or less.  There is massive re-balancing of the system going on...


Yep, I'm saving over $200 a month, it just makes sense:  millions of people who used to pay nothing now have to pay.  If you were paying before, now you're going to pay less.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 11:37:27 AM  

George Babbitt: kidgenius: Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.

Only beacause healthcare costs too much. There are stories coming out now about some doctors are not taking insurance anymore and are able to offer cheaper services.


From the other direction there are also plenty of hospitals that are charging $300 for a $5 bag of saline drip.
 
2013-10-15 11:37:45 AM  

Muta: Krymson Tyde: Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.

No shiat.  The Constitution says spending bills need to originate in the House.  Boner doesn't want to commit to anything so he make the Senate submit their proposals first.  Once the Senate makes the proposal with a concession he pushes it just a little more.


I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.
 
2013-10-15 11:38:33 AM  

maniacbastard: George Babbitt: Your assumptions of what I do and what I have are way off base.

All I see is a whiner, whining about being an adult and whining about being forced to pay for your own damn healthcare.

Or are you not whining about being an adult and having to pay your fair share?

Regardless of how healthy you are, you are still subject to a random accident that can cost ME and others a shiatton of money to fix your busted cheap whiny ass, loser.


I have insurance you derp, read the other comments and don't just jump at the first low hanging fruit you see.

/repeating myself now
 
2013-10-15 11:38:58 AM  

HammerMill: Notabunny: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

[img.photobucket.com image 800x531]

Yes, wonderful job with that Government takeover - we're only losing $10 Billion on that deal.  That's like an A+ for the goverment.  The ACA will lose us a healthy few trillion, which is more like it.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/07/autos/la-fi-hy-taxpayers-los s- gm-bailout-20130607

And compare GM to Ford, who took no money in bailouts and is doing fine.  Nope, not a realistic example.


I was just trolling. Nobody believes the government took over GM. Just like nobody believes Obamacare is a government takeover of healthcare.
 
2013-10-15 11:39:11 AM  

GoldSpider: Infernalist: 5 seconds with google

Here

"An estimated 8.5 million Americans will receive rebates from their health insurers this summer thanks to the Affordable Care Act, which says companies that fail to spend at least 80 percent of premiums on health care must refund the difference to consumers."

Which is nothing at all like "insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time"


Unfortunately, this is true, and it makes a lot more sense than refunding premiums not used by individuals. Then pooling would be pointless. My insurance company didn't meet the 80/20 rule, so I expected that my premium would just be lowered slightly. Instead I got a check. For $2.43. Still, better than a higher premium, and my insurance still covers just about everything.
 
2013-10-15 11:39:15 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.

Don't have cable, have a great-grandfathered plan with mobile carrier going back 25 years and it's cheaper than any contract you've ever heard of, don't have an iPad/tablet, and we never eat out as we abstain from all artificial food additives. As I said elsewhere, we h ...


You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.
 
2013-10-15 11:39:25 AM  

d23: George Babbitt: kidgenius: Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.

Only beacause healthcare costs too much. There are stories coming out now about some doctors are not taking insurance anymore and are able to offer cheaper services.

From the other direction there are also plenty of hospitals that are charging $300 for a $5 bag of saline drip.


No transparency or price comparison is the biggest failure of our system, it is intentionally as opaque as possible for billing purposes, with as many intermediaries as possible.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:08 AM  
I'll show you brinksmanship!
 
2013-10-15 11:41:11 AM  

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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Eh...the cartoon is both right and not right.

1. Redistricting only lasts 10 years, and we're now down to 8. That's still quite a while, but it's not "permanent" like the cartoon says.
2. A lot of these new districts (especially here in NC) were drawn in a way that creates more, but weaker, GOP-friendly districts. They aren't all fireproof. A heavy anti-GOP sentiment, like the current one, could topple several of them.
3. The current budget situation may have destroyed the GOP's chance to get the Senate.
4. No way is anyone going to elect another Bush. Rubio is a possibility.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:17 AM  

George Babbitt: kidgenius: Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.

Only beacause healthcare costs too much. There are stories coming out now about some doctors are not taking insurance anymore and are able to offer cheaper services.


Stories? Oooooh. Next they'll have anecdotes too. Because that equals data. farking retard.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:31 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Muta: Krymson Tyde: Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.
.

I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.


Thanks for one of my favorite profile quotes.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:32 AM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


could you imagine if Muslim members of congress started a meeting with a Muslim prayed.  The TeaDerped would explode.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:46 AM  

netweavr: What election is your post running as a candidate in?


Postmaster General.
 
2013-10-15 11:42:05 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Civil rights - prior to that you had Jim Crow.

The interstate highway system - prior to that, east-west travel in a timely manner was near impossible.

Rural electrification - prior to that, outside of urban areas, you had either no electricity, were paying through the nose, or only had electricity part of the day.

Air traffic control - prior to that, you had a patchwork of little controlled airspaces or no traffic control at all.

Mandated telephone service - thanks to the FCC, you now have telephone service in every part of the country, E911 service, and number portability. Prior to that, parts of the country weren't served at all, and many others had no 911 service.
 
2013-10-15 11:42:08 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.



Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)
 
2013-10-15 11:42:29 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters are brainwashed into voting their wealthy masters largess out of the public treasury."
 
2013-10-15 11:42:36 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Quit being a taker and depending your boss to pay yor premium with your pre-tax income using a group rate he was able to negotiate.


I'm a taker because I participate in the capitalist free market and my employer is doing on a small scale what the ACA failed to do on a large scale?
 
2013-10-15 11:43:09 AM  

GoodyearPimp: GoldSpider: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

I'm sure that's Obama's fault and not your employer or the group insurer they deal with.

Every $250 is an extra abortion at the provider of your choice.


Its almost as if raising rates using obamacare as an excuse will provide the public a reason to resist it and save the healthcare industry's absurd profit margin as well as make some easy short term money.

And stuff
 
2013-10-15 11:43:26 AM  
 
2013-10-15 11:43:52 AM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


I hear seniors like Medicare, but it's a constant struggle to keep Big Government out of it.
 
2013-10-15 11:44:35 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.


That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.
 
2013-10-15 11:44:35 AM  

Peki: Sent an email to Senator Warren.

I want to know who owns what stocks, and I want to know right now. Darrel Issa, Ted Cruz, Jim
DeMint, Eric Cantor, and I want Romney's too.

I want to know EXACTLY who is buying shorts right now, because I'll bet anything that's what it's all about.

Take a few million, buy a grip of shorts. Keep leaking news of a "deal" so the market will run up and be optimistic. Sell the profits on the few million you didn't use for short, then buy more shorts.

Step 3: profit, no matter which way this goes.


THIS
 
2013-10-15 11:45:14 AM  

Gunther: Isn't the deadline to avoid a default today? WTF are they doing rejecting bipartisan deals at this stage?

Do they farking understand what happens if they overplay their (incredibly weak) hand?


Not really. The reality bubble has been going on lately that default either won't happen (we'll pay bondholders and not old people/doctors), won't be a big deal (cleanest dirty shirt and all), or is actually a Good Thing (the sorts of people who think the Federal government needs to run a balanced budget).
 
2013-10-15 11:45:28 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.


And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?
 
2013-10-15 11:45:56 AM  

Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.


Well, of course they did.
 
2013-10-15 11:46:27 AM  

Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.


If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.
 
2013-10-15 11:46:30 AM  

Amish Tech Support: Krymson Tyde: Muta: Krymson Tyde: Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.
.

I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

Thanks for one of my favorite profile quotes.


I had to go see what it was...LOL you're welcome!
 
2013-10-15 11:47:29 AM  

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]


Rubio?

Yea, all you need is a latino and all the latinos will vote for you, of course...they are really stupid like that.  Proceed, GOP

Have a drink

cdn.theatlanticwire.com
 
2013-10-15 11:47:29 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.


So you haven't actually looked into this at all, you're just sure that you'll be screwed over.
 
2013-10-15 11:47:41 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.


Personal responsibility is only for other people, not MEEEE!

I love the attempted argument of, "but I don't NEEEED it!"  Are you alive?  Then you need it.  No, you can't wait until you get sick, get insurance, then drop it as soon as your personal health crisis is over.  It's not a goddamn grant.

Personally, I could go two ways with this: 1) single payer, comprehensive national insurance pool, etc. or 2) deregulate insurance completely, drop all State and Federal subsidies/funding for ER programs, and eliminate all entitlement programs (yes, that includes Medicare and Social Security).

One or the other.  If you're so goddamn boot-strappy that you don't "need" health insurance, then you're on your own, paying cash for care and likely obtaining non-dischargeable debt over the course of your life.  Broke your arm?  Too farking bad - pay up the $10k for care.  Heart attack?  Fark you, pony up the $200k.   No, you can't just go to the ER and get care for "free" anymore.  Stay home and die.

But that's not the preferable option.  The ACA is an unfortunately half-assed first step in the right direction (single payer).  Just gotta keep moving toward the only reasonable and logical goal.

If not?  Fark you.  Burn the entire support system to the ground.  Enjoy losing everything you have in a single day.  Either through paying up-front for care out of pocket, or from being raped by unregulated insurance.  You want a Libertarian paradise?  You have no idea what that entails...
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 11:47:46 AM  

SpectroBoy: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)


Food inspection.
Mass emergency management and recovery
Centralizing issues of health safety. (CDC, NIH)
Coordinating communications resources (the hated FCC)
Lists of other things that don't make a profit but HAVE to be done.

None of that is roses either, all of it is a mess in practice... but it has to be done.
 
2013-10-15 11:47:55 AM  
We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

i912.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 11:48:16 AM  

ginandbacon: Newsflash? Really?


Does this really hurt your butt that bad? Really?
 
2013-10-15 11:48:52 AM  

Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.


And now we're going to see the fundamental problem.   The House is going to have to propose to unified counter proposal, but they're inherently unable to do so.    Their motivations run the gambit from wanting to pass a "clean" CR to Neo-Conferederate insurgents intentionally attempting to sabotage the federal government from the inside.
 
2013-10-15 11:48:56 AM  

impaler: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

None, besides every other industrial country on the planet.

[newshour.s3.amazonaws.com image 718x529]


Unbelievable that we already spend as much per capita publicly as every other OECD country but we fail to cover everyone with that money.
 
2013-10-15 11:49:38 AM  

Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.


My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.
 
2013-10-15 11:49:40 AM  
I heard this on the radio this morning and nearly facepalmed myself off the road.

Really Boeher?

Really?

970biking.com
 
2013-10-15 11:49:57 AM  

kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?


Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.
 
2013-10-15 11:50:01 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


It's called never voting Republican again. Not even once. Other than that, if you mean by legal means, unless and until President Obama exploits executive privilege, then probably not.
 
2013-10-15 11:50:15 AM  

InmanRoshi: Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.

And now we're going to see the fundamental problem.   The House is going to have to propose to unified counter proposal, but they're inherently unable to do so.    Their motivations run the gambit from wanting to pass a "clean" CR to Neo-Conferederate insurgents intentionally attempting to sabotage the federal government from the inside.


That's been the problem from the start.  Boehner is going to have to break the Hastert rule and look to the Democrats for support.
 
2013-10-15 11:50:27 AM  

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


Remember when he threatened to tank our credit and economy unless he got policy concessions from republicans?

No? Oh.
 
2013-10-15 11:50:31 AM  

Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.

But House Republicans appear intent to extract at least one concession, depriving members of Congress, the president, vice president and White House political appointees of subsidies when they purchase health insurance under the health care law's new exchanges. Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the majority leader, said any proposal must reflect what he called "our position on fairness" - "no special treatment under the law."


After all of this, and the only concession they are sticking to is screwing over their staffs?  Smart move, really.....
 
2013-10-15 11:50:50 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.


If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.
 
2013-10-15 11:51:36 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.


Unfortunately Bush v. Gore pretty much nipped that in the bud for most of us with true liberal or anti-two-party leanings. For you see, if we hadn't voted for Nader, it's pretty much a given Gore would have won.
 
2013-10-15 11:51:36 AM  

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


To expand: Inside the reality bubble, they believe that the sole purpose of any program that benefits any person directly, is to make that person depend on the government, so as to guarantee their big-government (i.e. Democratic) vote.

They also believe that 47% of the country is currently dependent in such a manner.

Therefore, getting more people dependent (through the ACA) will push us over the 50%-moocher tipping point. From there on out, Democratic victory in all elections would be guaranteed, and there would be no way to ever save the country from the resulting tax-and-spend death spiral.

From the outside, the apparent belief that ACA is an existential threat to the very concept of freedom looks stupid. But just borrow a couple of axioms from conservative brains, and it makes perfect sense.
 
2013-10-15 11:51:42 AM  

Kuroshin: h(&G9UFGIUHBFQ9 7FHH I didn't read the other comments to see that you do currently have insurance. ouhuiheiuphfgipsbgipyusgkjbg;kjb



Seriously, the more you know.
 
2013-10-15 11:51:58 AM  

Prophet of Loss: you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?


web.duke.edu
The US System:  Winner-Take-All
First-past-the-post voting
 
2013-10-15 11:52:21 AM  

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


Really? Can you show me one time Obama said we have a spending problem?
 
2013-10-15 11:52:30 AM  

Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.


Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.
 
2013-10-15 11:52:34 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

So you haven't actually looked into this at all, you're just sure that you'll be screwed over.


Is that so far out there to think that?
 
2013-10-15 11:53:17 AM  
The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,


YOU LOST.


YOU GET NOTHING.


ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!


YOU LOSE!


GOOD DAY SIR.

 
2013-10-15 11:53:30 AM  

ciberido: Prophet of Loss: you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?

[web.duke.edu image 615x387]
The US System:  Winner-Take-All
First-past-the-post voting


It really took them seven steps to explain that?
 
2013-10-15 11:53:52 AM  

George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?

Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.


So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.
 
2013-10-15 11:53:53 AM  

Mike_LowELL: netweavr: What election is your post running as a candidate in?

Postmaster General.


mrwgifs.com
 
2013-10-15 11:54:10 AM  

Zasteva: Serious Black: Section 1: If, by April 1st, Congress has not approved a common budget between the two chambers, it shall be a privileged motion to call for a vote on any budget resolution that has the support of ten percent of the chamber.

Section 2: If, by October 1st, Congress has not approved and the President has not signed into law all common appropriations bills, all previous appropriations shall be continued, and the Supreme Court shall call an election for all federally elected officials to be held on the first Tuesday of December.

Section 3: Consistent with the intent of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, Congress shall not have the power to limit the borrowing authority of the federal government.

I like it!!

The big concern would be that in this case, the House would refuse to compromise, to force another chance to unseat Obama. I think you would have to add that all sitting members of the House would be ineligible to run again, or possibly all Federal elected officials permanently ineligible for any future elected office.


I can see that possibility happening as well, but then it comes down to a prediction of whether they (or whoever runs in their stead) can win the impending election. Right now, would you bet on the Tea Party being able to usurp Obama or even keep their own seats if they were able to run for re-election? I wouldn't; Obama's approval has dropped something like three points since the start of the shutdown while Republicans in Congress have dropped almost a dozen. If elections were held today, I suspect the Democrats would take the majority in the House by a slim margin.

That said, I'd be okay with a permanent ban on elected officials involved seeking any federal office if it got more people on board with the proposal.
 
2013-10-15 11:54:24 AM  

George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?

Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.


So based on that, you're probably making about $27K a year based on all the data. That's just your income. If your wife doesn't work, your subsidy sky-rockets and you'll only pay about $125 a month for insurance for two. That's an amazing deal and should be feasible. That's a cable-bill (which you said you don't have of course). If she makes any money, than the subsidy will drop, but your rate should still be highly affordable with two incomes.
 
2013-10-15 11:54:28 AM  

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


You know the difference between Conservatives and normal mammals is: Conservatives are incapable of admitting they were wrong, nor are they capable of changing their positions if some new scenario changes the variables. I am thrilled that we have a President that sees the error in his statement.

Answer me one thing: what actually is the tangible issue with raising the debt ceiling? I mean literally: what would be so bad? Tangibly. I don't mean some "we need to pay our bills durr hurr" crap. I mean literally: what actually happens as a direct, line-of-sight, definite or nearly certain result?

Then ask yourself the same question with regards to a country defaulting. Hint: listen to the Germans, Chinese, Japanese, British, or pretty much all the business leaders and economists in the US if you don't believe foreigners.

Which is worse? Immediately as well as long term?
 
2013-10-15 11:54:31 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The teahadists think they're coolly playing chess instead of what they're really doing: cramming Candyland pieces up their nose and screaming "CHECKMARK" while everyone else in the park rolls their eyes and wonders when the Care Aides are going to intervene with some juice boxes and peanut butter crackers


I just need an illegitimate copy of photoshoop, and I can make this happen, featuring senaturd cruise control, and michelle breakingmyballsman.
 
2013-10-15 11:54:54 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]

Remember when he threatened to tank our credit and economy unless he got policy concessions from republicans?

No? Oh.


He also probably doesn't remember that was during a housing boom, spending 5 trillion in additional debt during a boom time is a spending problem.
 
2013-10-15 11:55:05 AM  

El_Perro: Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.

But House Republicans appear intent to extract at least one concession, depriving members of Congress, the president, vice president and White House political appointees of subsidies when they purchase health insurance under the health care law's new exchanges. Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the majority leader, said any proposal must reflect what he called "our position on fairness" - "no special treatment under the law."

After all of this, and the only concession they are sticking to is screwing over their staffs?  Smart move, really.....


Actually just themselves, they'll let the fixes stand for their staffs. Some Members probably woke up to horses' heads in their beds.
 
2013-10-15 11:55:10 AM  

Infernalist: Boehner is going to have to break the Hastert rule and look to the Democrats for support


And that will be the end of both Boehner and the "Hastert Rule".

Good riddance to both of them.
 
2013-10-15 11:55:28 AM  

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

Unfortunately Bush v. Gore pretty much nipped that in the bud for most of us with true liberal or anti-two-party leanings. For you see, if we hadn't voted for Nader, it's pretty much a given Gore would have won.


Really? Because in Florida more Democrats voted for Bush than voted for Nader. If Gore had kept his base, he would have won Florida and the Presidency. Study it out.
 
2013-10-15 11:55:37 AM  

Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.


FTA : but acknowledged that "there are a lot of opinions" among his fractious troops

What this means is he backed away from the plan not because he thinks the senate plan is good enough, but because he can't even sell his new house plan to the GOP crazies in the house.  In other words we are all screwed.  I don't think Boehner could get the debt ceiling raised the even with a full repeal of obamacare
 
2013-10-15 11:55:42 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

So you haven't actually looked into this at all, you're just sure that you'll be screwed over.

Is that so far out there to think that?


Uh, yes. You have no evidence that this will be bad, you're just assuming it will be.
 
2013-10-15 11:56:12 AM  
Any one given thought to Jan 2015 when the insurance companies adjust the premiums, for both exchange and company plans? If you automatically think rates will go down because more people participate, you are delusional.
 
2013-10-15 11:56:20 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.


Did you forget to switch to your other alt before posting again, Mike?
 
2013-10-15 11:57:16 AM  

ciberido: Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.

Did you forget to switch to your other alt before posting again, Mike?


Don't be silly, Mike isn't an alt.  And he's allowed to second his own post, cause reasons.
 
2013-10-15 11:57:16 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.


My God, you're incredible.  Brevity, direction, clarity.  You are my farking hero Mike.

9/10, you forgot 'libtard'
 
2013-10-15 11:57:29 AM  

George Babbitt: It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.


LOL omg this is too much you actually think insurance is an investment.  OMG this is too funny.
 
2013-10-15 11:57:41 AM  

Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.


Oh no! Are you stuck in the south too? I wonder if there's some kind of support group for blue Farkers stuck in scary red states...
 
2013-10-15 11:57:43 AM  

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


Maybe when the ceiling was raised to pay for cruise missiles, he opposed it.

Maybe when the ceiling is going to be raised to pay for the Affordable Care Act, he supports it.

Man, its farking WILD! to think that a politician can have different opinions on varying items when posed in drastically different contexts.

/Pleaserolleveryclipofeverypoliticianever.
//OF ALL TIME.
 
2013-10-15 11:57:44 AM  

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


Any other changes?
 
2013-10-15 11:58:07 AM  

Valiente: Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?

Check your next 401k statement. Consequences will indeed be felt.


Yeah, I have been considering moving some funds around to try to profit from the mess these assholes have made. You know they are doing it too.
 
2013-10-15 11:58:17 AM  

CaptSS: Any one given thought to Jan 2015 when the insurance companies adjust the premiums, for both exchange and company plans? If you automatically think rates will go down because more people participate, you are delusional.


The 80/20 stipulation will take care of that.
 
2013-10-15 11:58:29 AM  
I'm slowly reaching the point where, if every House GOP member was beaten about the head and face with snow chains, I'd give less than a fark about it.  I think there are a lot of retards in D.C., and that sucks for us as a country because these assholes are supposed to be our leaders, but the GOP has taken "retarded" to new, dangerous low.  I'm sick of every last one of them.
 
2013-10-15 11:58:57 AM  

Infernalist: ciberido: Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.

Did you forget to switch to your other alt before posting again, Mike?

Don't be silly, Mike isn't an alt.  And he's allowed to second his own post, cause reasons.


RangerTaylor: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

My God, you're incredible.  Brevity, direction, clarity.  You are my farking hero Mike.

9/10, you forgot 'libtard'


There is a reason why Mike isn't on my ignore list.
 
2013-10-15 11:59:04 AM  

CaptSS: Any one given thought to Jan 2015 when the insurance companies adjust the premiums, for both exchange and company plans? If you automatically think rates will go down because more people participate, you are delusional.


Isn't that just about the same time people can vote for single-payer?
 
2013-10-15 11:59:50 AM  

Via Infinito: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Oh no! Are you stuck in the south too? I wonder if there's some kind of support group for blue Farkers stuck in scary red states...


Florida, yep.  Worst still, Orlando.  You know how when Fark has a Florida story it comes with the Florida tag?  Well, 90% of the time, the story is coming from the Orlando Sentinel.  I'm at Ground Zero for the stupid.
 
2013-10-15 12:01:25 PM  

Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.


Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.
 
2013-10-15 12:01:25 PM  

Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.


Will do!
 
2013-10-15 12:01:32 PM  

Via Infinito: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Oh no! Are you stuck in the south too? I wonder if there's some kind of support group for blue Farkers stuck in scary red states...


My boyfriend and I live in North Carolina; I'm originally from Illinois, he's from Manhattan.  If the finances allowed us to move back to one of those locations, we'd have done it a while ago.  Sure, not having two feet of snow and ice in the winter is nice, but I'll gladly take it back if it means I don't have to deal with these morons anymore.
 
2013-10-15 12:01:51 PM  

Serious Black: Zasteva: Serious Black: Section 1: If, by April 1st, Congress has not approved a common budget between the two chambers, it shall be a privileged motion to call for a vote on any budget resolution that has the support of ten percent of the chamber.

Section 2: If, by October 1st, Congress has not approved and the President has not signed into law all common appropriations bills, all previous appropriations shall be continued, and the Supreme Court shall call an election for all federally elected officials to be held on the first Tuesday of December.

Section 3: Consistent with the intent of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, Congress shall not have the power to limit the borrowing authority of the federal government.

I like it!!

The big concern would be that in this case, the House would refuse to compromise, to force another chance to unseat Obama. I think you would have to add that all sitting members of the House would be ineligible to run again, or possibly all Federal elected officials permanently ineligible for any future elected office.

I can see that possibility happening as well, but then it comes down to a prediction of whether they (or whoever runs in their stead) can win the impending election. Right now, would you bet on the Tea Party being able to usurp Obama or even keep their own seats if they were able to run for re-election? I wouldn't; Obama's approval has dropped something like three points since the start of the shutdown while Republicans in Congress have dropped almost a dozen. If elections were held today, I suspect the Democrats would take the majority in the House by a slim margin.

That said, I'd be okay with a permanent ban on elected officials involved seeking any federal office if it got more people on board with the proposal.


Wish there was a germane way to tack insider trading onto that. You can't tell me this is just coincidence, considering that Congress gutted that law not too long ago.
 
2013-10-15 12:02:06 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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Lol... The fact that Rubio and Bush are put forth as possible Presidents by the GOP is hysterical.


Seriously. The Bush name is so poisonous, GW's name was barely mentioned during the 2012 Presidential race. As for Rubio, even the heavily Republican Cuban community he spawned from sees him as joke.
 
2013-10-15 12:02:07 PM  

George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.


he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.
 
2013-10-15 12:02:59 PM  

Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.


I've often thought the greater Seattle area might be a cool place to live.
 
2013-10-15 12:03:10 PM  

Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.


I've already done my research.  Olympic Peninsula is where I'm headed.  I just need to get my degree finished.

Port Angeles is absolutely gorgeous territory.
 
2013-10-15 12:03:31 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.


They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.
 
2013-10-15 12:04:13 PM  

CaptSS: Any one given thought to Jan 2015 when the insurance companies adjust the premiums, for both exchange and company plans? If you automatically think rates will go down because more people participate, you are delusional.


Seeing as how any increase of more than 10% requires the insurance companies to publicly justify it, and the new 80/20 rule, it will likely keep increases to a minimum.
 
2013-10-15 12:05:03 PM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.


With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.
 
2013-10-15 12:05:18 PM  

namegoeshere: It's not just poor people who couldn't access health insurance. (The poorest people have insurance.) How about middle class small business owners and employees, the self employed, those with preexisting conditions, etc.?


Poor people have free health insurance, small business owners like me now will be fined if I don't get insurance I can't afford.

Its affordable healthcare after all (even if you cannot afford it as they want you to believe).
 
2013-10-15 12:05:54 PM  

Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.


I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.
 
2013-10-15 12:05:58 PM  

Infernalist: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

I've already done my research.  Olympic Peninsula is where I'm headed.  I just need to get my degree finished.

Port Angeles is absolutely gorgeous territory.


Los Santos is nice, too.
 
2013-10-15 12:06:21 PM  
The GOP are poster children of government waste when they are actually working. Then they pull this temper tantrum and waste even more money during a shut down that will have to be back-paid. Go find respect for yourself in some school yard and leave real world problems to the adults.

/New cartoon: Uncle Sam, Statue of Liberty, whomever... going to hell in a hand basket, lowered by the elephant trunk.
 
2013-10-15 12:06:36 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Via Infinito: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Oh no! Are you stuck in the south too? I wonder if there's some kind of support group for blue Farkers stuck in scary red states...

My boyfriend and I live in North Carolina; I'm originally from Illinois, he's from Manhattan.  If the finances allowed us to move back to one of those locations, we'd have done it a while ago.  Sure, not having two feet of snow and ice in the winter is nice, but I'll gladly take it back if it means I don't have to deal with these morons anymore.


RTP isnt bad minus that the majority just adore the smell of their own farts.
Piedmont Triangle is better minus that whole poor thing.
Charlotte is gross. Yeah. It sucks.
 
2013-10-15 12:06:38 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I'm slowly reaching the point where, if every House GOP member was beaten about the head and face with snow chains, I'd give less than a fark about it.  I think there are a lot of retards in D.C., and that sucks for us as a country because these assholes are supposed to be our leaders, but the GOP has taken "retarded" to new, dangerous low.  I'm sick of every last one of them.


May I please offer my state's House GOP members (particularly the one from Ky-6) to be beaten first?
 
2013-10-15 12:06:40 PM  

kidgenius: George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?

Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.

So based on that, you're probably making about $27K a year based on all the data. That's just your income. If your wife doesn't work, your subsidy sky-rockets and you'll only pay about $125 a month for insurance for two. That's an amazing deal and should be feasible. That's a cable-bill (which you said you don't have of course). If she makes any money, than the subsidy will drop, but your rate should still be highly affordable with two incomes.


The $175 was a personal rate, not a family rate...read all the posts.
 
2013-10-15 12:06:42 PM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


The federal government is far from perfect, but it has done quite a lot of good over the past couple of centuries.

The U.S. military is more effective than an assortment of local militias would be.

The Interstate Highway System is far, far better than the interconnected network of state roads used to be.

Rural Electrification has been a tremendous socio-economic boon to many areas.

Social Security has been going strong for 75 years now, and old people don't go dying in the streets anymore.

The FDA has made our food supply significantly healthier, and enacted reliable standards for drugs.

Building and maintaining our energy and communications infrastructures would have been nearly impossible without various government programs.

I can go on, if you like.
 
2013-10-15 12:06:55 PM  

Via Infinito: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Oh no! Are you stuck in the south too? I wonder if there's some kind of support group for blue Farkers stuck in scary red states...


There is, it's called Fark.com.
 
2013-10-15 12:07:14 PM  

George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.


Healthcare is mostly overpriced to cover the cost of the uninsured getting healthcare and not being able to pay for it.

Obamacare will fix that.
 
2013-10-15 12:07:42 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]

Remember when he threatened to tank our credit and economy unless he got policy concessions from republicans?

No? Oh.


but, otherwise, the situation is the exact same.
 
2013-10-15 12:07:52 PM  

Anayalator: Infernalist: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

I've already done my research.  Olympic Peninsula is where I'm headed.  I just need to get my degree finished.

Port Angeles is absolutely gorgeous territory.

Los Santos is nice, too.


I didn't pass through Los Santos.  Is that on the Peninsula or further south?
 
2013-10-15 12:08:15 PM  

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]


www.rigsofrods.com

1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-10-15 12:08:46 PM  

Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.


Seattle is really liberal. The rest of the state, really conservative. The weather here is shiat. The traffic is awful. It's also hella expensive, and I've lived in both San Diego and the DC area, so when I say it's hella expensive, I know what I'm talking about.

But it's nice living in a state with legalized gay marriage and recreational marijuana use (not that I am involved in either activity). Also, the city of Seattle is pretty progressive. Last year they enacted a law that required all employers within Seattle city limits to provide paid sick time for their contract workers. Yes, this directly affected us. The downside is Seattle PD is pretty aggressive and corrupt. My brother once had his car towed, along with every other car in that same parking lot. They'd parked to go to a thing downtown, and four hours later every car in the parking lot was towed and there were signs up that said, "24-HOUR NOTICE: NO PARKING IN THIS LOCATION STARTING [that day's date]" but of course there was no 24-hour notice. They'd just put up the signs and towed every car immediately. Seattle gets a kickback every time they get a car towed (as do most cities), so they just made a few grand towing 30 cars. And don't get me started on the cops shooting unarmed civilians.
 
2013-10-15 12:08:52 PM  

Infernalist: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

I've already done my research.  Olympic Peninsula is where I'm headed.  I just need to get my degree finished.

Port Angeles is absolutely gorgeous territory.


I haven't been in that area. My brother lives in Shoreline. He really likes the area. Great cycling scene.
 
2013-10-15 12:09:13 PM  

George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.


What part of my user name led you to believe I'm a "he"?

/and my healthcare coverage sucks. I pay $140 out of pocket per month for very crappy coverage and a $5K deductible.
 
2013-10-15 12:10:04 PM  

KellyX: generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]


Latinos will just flock to Marco Rubio!

/in the words of my Hispanic wife, "pinche Marco Rubio cabron."
 
2013-10-15 12:10:13 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Seattle is really liberal. The rest of the state, really conservative. The weather here is shiat. The traffic is awful. It's also hella expensive, and I've lived in both San Diego and the DC area, so when I say it's hella expensive, I know what I'm talking about.

But it's nice living in a state with legalized gay marriage and recreational marijuana use (not that I am involved in either activity). Also, the city of Seattle is pretty progressive. Last year they enacted a law that required all employers within Seattle city limits to provide paid sick time for their contract workers. Yes, this directly affected us. The downside is Seattle PD is pretty aggressive and corrupt. My brother once had his car towed, along with every other car in that same parking lot. They'd parked to go to a thing downtown, and four hours later every car in the parking lot was towed and there were signs up that said, "24-HOUR NOTICE: NO PARKING IN THIS LOCATION STARTING [that day's date]" but of course there was no 24-hour notice. They'd just put up the signs and towed every ...


I found the Peninsula region to be very liberal, aside from Sequim.  Retirement town for old folk.
 
2013-10-15 12:10:37 PM  

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.


So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?
 
2013-10-15 12:10:49 PM  

nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.


I was told by somebody who was violently against this that they didn't want me to go without health insurance, but they also refused to offer any better solution.
 
2013-10-15 12:11:51 PM  

Peki: Serious Black: Zasteva: Serious Black: Section 1: If, by April 1st, Congress has not approved a common budget between the two chambers, it shall be a privileged motion to call for a vote on any budget resolution that has the support of ten percent of the chamber.

Section 2: If, by October 1st, Congress has not approved and the President has not signed into law all common appropriations bills, all previous appropriations shall be continued, and the Supreme Court shall call an election for all federally elected officials to be held on the first Tuesday of December.

Section 3: Consistent with the intent of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, Congress shall not have the power to limit the borrowing authority of the federal government.

I like it!!

The big concern would be that in this case, the House would refuse to compromise, to force another chance to unseat Obama. I think you would have to add that all sitting members of the House would be ineligible to run again, or possibly all Federal elected officials permanently ineligible for any future elected office.

I can see that possibility happening as well, but then it comes down to a prediction of whether they (or whoever runs in their stead) can win the impending election. Right now, would you bet on the Tea Party being able to usurp Obama or even keep their own seats if they were able to run for re-election? I wouldn't; Obama's approval has dropped something like three points since the start of the shutdown while Republicans in Congress have dropped almost a dozen. If elections were held today, I suspect the Democrats would take the majority in the House by a slim margin.

That said, I'd be okay with a permanent ban on elected officials involved seeking any federal office if it got more people on board with the proposal.

Wish there was a germane way to tack insider trading onto that. You can't tell me this is just coincidence, considering that Congress gutted that law not too long ago.


I'm not sure I would tack it on there since the point is to make the budget funding processes work better, but yes, insider trading is a huge problem. I know it might be sacrilege to say so, but I loved Sean Duffy's proposal to force Congressmen into choosing between a blind trust for all financial assets or immediate reporting of any trades including stocks, bonds, mutual funds, shorts, futures, etc.
 
2013-10-15 12:11:54 PM  

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

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And, like an adult, he has since said his vote was wrong and naive.

What's your side's excuse?
 
2013-10-15 12:12:14 PM  

George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?

Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.

So based on that, you're probably making about $27K a year based on all the data. That's just your income. If your wife doesn't work, your subsidy sky-rockets and you'll only pay about $125 a month for insurance for two. That's an amazing deal and should be feasible. That's a cable-bill (which you said you don't have of course). If she makes any money, than the subsidy will drop, but your rate should still be highly affordable with two incomes.

The $175 was a personal rate, not a family rate...read all the posts.


That was for a single rate for 1 person, aged 30, non-smoker.

Go here:
http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

Fill out the info and get back to us. How much is your subsidized rate for your family of 6?
 
2013-10-15 12:12:18 PM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


What was so good about the old system, and/or what do you suggest we do in ACA's place?

/no new ideas, no care about your complaints
 
2013-10-15 12:12:26 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: KellyX: generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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Latinos will just flock to Marco Rubio!

/in the words of my Hispanic wife, "pinche Marco Rubio cabron."


Putting those exact words into freetranslation.com brings up: Click Framework Blond asshole.

That made me lol.
 
2013-10-15 12:12:49 PM  

George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?

Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.

So based on that, you're probably making about $27K a year based on all the data. That's just your income. If your wife doesn't work, your subsidy sky-rockets and you'll only pay about $125 a month for insurance for two. That's an amazing deal and should be feasible. That's a cable-bill (which you said you don't have of course). If she makes any money, than the subsidy will drop, but your rate should still be highly affordable with two incomes.

The $175 was a personal rate, not a family rate...read all the posts.


If you didn't tell the system that you have a wife and 4 kids, it won't know to give you extra subsidies. Also, maybe you should push your legislature to expand the Medicaid coverage? I see that Kasich is trying to make that happen but is getting resistance from the GOPs in your legislature.

Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.
 
2013-10-15 12:12:51 PM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Medicare is cheaper than private insurance and every senior i've ever met has been so glad when they hit medicare age they've burned their private insurance cards.

There are many more, your just to stupid to look them up.
 
2013-10-15 12:12:53 PM  

QueenMamaBee: What part of my user name led you to believe I'm a "he"?


I'm sorry, it's merely a generic placeholder noun, as using they so not to offend is impersonal.
 
2013-10-15 12:13:13 PM  

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.

Healthcare is mostly overpriced to cover the cost of the uninsured getting healthcare and not being able to pay for it.

Obamacare will fix that.


it should help yes. because as it is we have a system that allows people to get emergency care (the most expensive) and dump it on the taxpayer and they pay nothing. the state covers it. the hospitals eat some of the cost. the people paying insurance premiums eat some of the cost. etc. now at least they're mandated to have some skin in the game.
 
2013-10-15 12:13:14 PM  

QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.

What part of my user name led you to believe I'm a "he"?

/and my healthcare coverage sucks. I pay $140 out of pocket per month for very crappy coverage and a $5K deductible.


Hey guy, we don't need your anecdotes
 
2013-10-15 12:13:21 PM  
New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.
 
2013-10-15 12:13:25 PM  

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


For the same coverage?

Or are you purposely ATTEMPTING to mislead people?
 
2013-10-15 12:13:32 PM  

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


No, it's "if you're in need of assistance to pay for your health insurance because you've got four kids, you probably qualify for the federal healthcare option, and you should probably take it since you already pay taxes and all."
 
2013-10-15 12:14:02 PM  

Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in North Carolina; I'm originally from Illinois, he's from Manhattan.  If the finances allowed us to move back to one of those locations, we'd have done it a while ago.  Sure, not having two feet of snow and ice in the winter is nice, but I'll gladly take it back if it means I don't have to deal with these morons anymore.


I hated the cold and snow when I lived in Germany. Couldn't wait to get back somewhere sunny.
After a few months of living back here in the nice sunny derp, I realized that the weather should be the least of my concerns.
 
2013-10-15 12:14:10 PM  

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Signing up for Medicaid is more responsible than not buying insurance at all.
 
2013-10-15 12:14:30 PM  

justtray: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.

What part of my user name led you to believe I'm a "he"?

/and my healthcare coverage sucks. I pay $140 out of pocket per month for very crappy coverage and a $5K deductible.

Hey guy, we don't need your anecdotes


You made me lol :)
 
2013-10-15 12:14:36 PM  

QueenMamaBee: Smeggy Smurf: They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.

I would vote for death panels if only they applied to members of Congress.


There's the compromise everybody has been looking for.  DEATH PANELS FOR CONGRESS!
 
2013-10-15 12:14:36 PM  

George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Who says medicaid isn't taking personal responsibility? If you qualify for medicaid, use it. Nothing wrong with being on "the public dole". It's what the rest of us pay taxes for....it allows us to live in a civilized society.

You're coming off as disingenuous. With 4 kids, you're probably making enough to qualify for some serious subsidies (and/or medicaid). What kind of household income are you averaging?
 
2013-10-15 12:14:48 PM  

Kit Fister: Heliovdrake: The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.YOU GET NOTHING.ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!YOU LOSE!GOOD DAY SIR.

You do realize that assuming that by voting against Romney and for Obama, that's just a statement of "fark romney", and not necessarily a referendum on ACA or anything, right? I voted for Obama because i hated romney. I also hate the ACA because it's a garbage law that doesn't do much to help the situation other than add in new taxes and force insurance companies to take on more people/risk.

So, while the alternative to the ACA is shiattier, if I had my druthers, the ACA would be replaced with comprehensive regulation and price controls for life-saving equipment, medicine, and most care, a basic national plan which private insurers can supplement to add benefit (better coverage for more stuff than the national plan, etc.), and continue to make costs of insurance tax deductible.

Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.


actually everything you just said makes it exactly that because those were our two options and you chose the Obamacare option.  Just admit it to yourself and you'll be happier in the long run.
 
2013-10-15 12:15:00 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: KellyX: generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]

Latinos will just flock to Marco Rubio!

/in the words of my Hispanic wife, "pinche Marco Rubio cabron."


www.maniacworld.com

Tell your wife she rocks! GOP puede comer una polla!
 
2013-10-15 12:15:13 PM  

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


Mine dropped around 17% this year due to ACA.  Thanks a lot, Obama.
 
2013-10-15 12:15:27 PM  

DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.


This is like Political Mad Libs.

"Sir, we refuse to Lift The Debt Ceiling unless we get  A contraception ban!"
 
2013-10-15 12:15:49 PM  

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Moving the goalposts.

I can't afford healthcare

Why? $x isn't a bad rate.

I can't afford that.

If you REALLY can't afford it you will get subsidies.

Well that's the individual plan, I need the family plan.

So spend less.

I can't, I have four kids.

Then if you can't afford $x or $x+4 kids, then you qualify for medicaid probably.

YOU WANT ME ON THE PUBLIC ROLLS???? HOW OUTRAGEOUS.


Seriously, you need to stfu and gtfo you goal post moving disengenuous troll.
 
2013-10-15 12:16:39 PM  

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


and for you it's "I can't afford it" "I pay too much for crappy coverage just on myself and my kids and wife aren't covered" but when it's pointed out that you and your family would probably qualify for medicaid it's "I don't want to be on the public dole I'd rather my kids be sick or go bankrupt!"
 
2013-10-15 12:17:12 PM  

SpectroBoy: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)


Dont ya just love it how he asked for examples and then immediately said there are none?
 
2013-10-15 12:17:52 PM  

George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


You're supposed to take personal responsibility for keeping your family safe and healthy, not for feeding your own pride.
 
2013-10-15 12:18:10 PM  

DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.


the dems should ask for single payer medicare for all and tell them they'll give up Obamacare lol.
 
2013-10-15 12:18:22 PM  

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Here is better advice. You sound poor. Don't be poor. Got it?
If $175/mo is alot for heath insurance, just admit you are a failure and poor. get some bootstraps and come join us at the top.
 
2013-10-15 12:18:36 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I'm slowly reaching the point where, if every House GOP member was beaten about the head and face with snow chains, I'd give less than a fark about it.  I think there are a lot of retards in D.C., and that sucks for us as a country because these assholes are supposed to be our leaders, but the GOP has taken "retarded" to new, dangerous low.  I'm sick of every last one of them.


This.
Beaten with two-by-fours that have been wrapped with razor wire would work for me.
Particularly Boner, Cantor, and Cruz.

Fed into wood chippers on live television, perhaps.
 
2013-10-15 12:18:47 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.


We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).
 
2013-10-15 12:19:04 PM  

kidgenius: Got onto the federal exchange and looked around the plans. I qualify for no subsidies (make too much). The two plans I'm looking for will either drop my kids deductibles from $5k to either A) $2k, or B)zero dollars. Co-pays will go from $25 to either A) $30 or B) $40. My wife's deductible will go from $1K to whatever will be the kids plan. I now will be able to get individual insurance that includes maternity coverage, so I don't have to have my wife on my employer's expensive plans.

Net savings each month? Between $200 or $300, depending on which plan I go with.


The only other thing to account for is the fact that you'll be paying for the private coverage after taxes. Which means that the money you now pay through your employer, pre-tax, will now have employment and income taxes levied against it. If you're in a state with income tax that could easily outweigh the savings. Unless your employer decides to pay you out the remainder of the contribution that they would otherwise make. That might balance it out.
 
2013-10-15 12:19:59 PM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


You'd do better to get enrolled in Medicaid and use the extra money from the insurance you're no longer buying to go back to school for better training so you can get a better paying job.

It's not easy, but it's doable.  Good luck.
 
2013-10-15 12:20:06 PM  

Bloody William: George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?

You're supposed to take personal responsibility for keeping your family safe and healthy, not for feeding your own pride.


yeah pride won't get your kid medicine when it needs it.
 
2013-10-15 12:20:19 PM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


THEN WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT?!
 
2013-10-15 12:21:20 PM  

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

You'd do better to get enrolled in Medicaid and use the extra money from the insurance you're no longer buying to go back to school for better training so you can get a better paying job.

It's not easy, but it's doable.  Good luck.


or take that extra money and put it in a college fund for the kids
 
2013-10-15 12:21:22 PM  

SpectroBoy: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

For the same coverage?

Or are you purposely ATTEMPTING to mislead people?


If you live in Florida it's quite possible, because Republican Governor Rick Scott and his legislature made it illegal for the State Insurance Commissioner to regulate rates for two years. They also instructed insurance companies to blame Obamacare for rate increases.

I Am Not Kidding. Seriously.
 
2013-10-15 12:21:58 PM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


George Babbitt: We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


SO THE PROBLEM HAS SOLVED ITSELF.
 
2013-10-15 12:22:07 PM  
It should be stated again that Boehner can't even come up with enough votes to offer up a shiatty counter proposal to the Senate deal.

Again: He can't even muster enough votes for a shiatty counter proposal.
 
2013-10-15 12:22:38 PM  

kasmel: kidgenius: Got onto the federal exchange and looked around the plans. I qualify for no subsidies (make too much). The two plans I'm looking for will either drop my kids deductibles from $5k to either A) $2k, or B)zero dollars. Co-pays will go from $25 to either A) $30 or B) $40. My wife's deductible will go from $1K to whatever will be the kids plan. I now will be able to get individual insurance that includes maternity coverage, so I don't have to have my wife on my employer's expensive plans.

Net savings each month? Between $200 or $300, depending on which plan I go with.

The only other thing to account for is the fact that you'll be paying for the private coverage after taxes. Which means that the money you now pay through your employer, pre-tax, will now have employment and income taxes levied against it. If you're in a state with income tax that could easily outweigh the savings. Unless your employer decides to pay you out the remainder of the contribution that they would otherwise make. That might balance it out.


Due to my particular taxing scenario, there shouldn't be an issue there ;)
 
2013-10-15 12:22:49 PM  
Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?
 
2013-10-15 12:23:05 PM  

George Babbitt: Kuroshin: h(&G9UFGIUHBFQ9 7FHH I didn't read the other comments to see that you do currently have insurance. ouhuiheiuphfgipsbgipyusgkjbg;kjb


Seriously, the more you know.



You mean the other posts that didn't exist when I was typing that response because I had to go do something in the middle of typing it up?  Yeah, I can honestly say I didn't read comments that I couldn't have read because they weren't on my page at the time.  You see, Fark isn't a chat system, so the thread doesn't pause while in the middle of posting.

And my post wasn't actually about you, even though my response was to a comment that was in itself a response to you.  See, if my post had been in response to you, or directly about you, I would have responded directly, or at the very least made a pointed remark directed at you.  I did neither, so get your ass off that cross - even with insurance, crucifixion is a crippling expense.

It would be against the rules to tell you the names of those it was actually about (calling out other Farkers is a no-no), but suffice it to say that the "but I don't need it" refrain is very common around here.

So that's a big "go fark yourself" on both counts.
 
2013-10-15 12:23:23 PM  

DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.


This is why I didn't understand you last night when you said a clean cr/debt limit agreement had the votes to pass the House.  They're crazy.  They want something for their tantrum.  They are going to take us with them and even if they don't I think Cruz or some other fool like him will do it in the Senate.

I'm not in a panic, but I think we're farked.
 
2013-10-15 12:23:24 PM  

Infernalist: It should be stated again that Boehner can't even come up with enough votes to offer up a shiatty counter proposal to the Senate deal.

Again: He can't even muster enough votes for a shiatty counter proposal.


At this point, the only way Boehner leaves office with a scrap of dignity is if he takes the Budd Dwyer retirement plan.
 
2013-10-15 12:23:31 PM  

kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

THEN WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT?!


he says it sucks and is too expensive. but when it was shown that he could get it cheaper and better coverage he said he was too proud to accept society's generosity
 
2013-10-15 12:23:45 PM  

bluorangefyre: Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?


Sedition fits.  Treason doesn't.

The only thing missing from the 'sedition' charges is that Sedition requires that the accused to have used 'force' to keep legislated law from being put into effect.
 
2013-10-15 12:23:59 PM  

Bloody William: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

George Babbitt: We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

SO THE PROBLEM HAS SOLVED ITSELF.


He can't possibly really have the same insurance from his employer, no one gets to keep their insurance under Obamacare, they all have to sign up for ObamaInsurance.
 
2013-10-15 12:24:01 PM  

JolobinSmokin: actually everything you just said makes it exactly that because those were our two options and you chose the Obamacare option. Just admit it to yourself and you'll be happier in the long run.


Or I'll continue to support the candidates that are the best options on my issues, regardless of whatever meaningless drivvel you want to tack on?
 
2013-10-15 12:24:02 PM  
George Babbitt:, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?

Why wouldn't you take advantage of a government program?
 
2013-10-15 12:24:50 PM  

DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.



Kaili Joy Gray @KailiJoy
Counter-offer: Re-open the government and Dems will remove free DIY abortion app from the Obamaphone.
 
2013-10-15 12:25:17 PM  
Staying up all night and working on an Early English Lit take home exam and then reading all the shenanigans currently occurring in DC...

Not a fun mix. I keep waiting for Beowulf to come sailing in to clear out the terror from the great mead hall of Congress.

/Sleep
//Lacking it
///Shazbot!
 
2013-10-15 12:25:18 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.

This is why I didn't understand you last night when you said a clean cr/debt limit agreement had the votes to pass the House.  They're crazy.  They want something for their tantrum.  They are going to take us with them and even if they don't I think Cruz or some other fool like him will do it in the Senate.

I'm not in a panic, but I think we're farked.


It has the votes - it still does. Boehner just won't bring it to the floor. This has never been about whether there are enough votes to pass the thing. It's all about whether or not Boehner will bring it to the floor. I still think he will, and he'll abandon the TP caucus, but not until the last minute.
 
2013-10-15 12:25:39 PM  

Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.


Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.
 
2013-10-15 12:26:13 PM  
For my family of four, the cost will remain exactly the same since we get it through work. However, if I was to be working somewhere that didn't have benefits, it would cost $124/month for a family of four. Why? Because I live in MN where we were smart about it and MNCare is awesome.
 
2013-10-15 12:26:28 PM  

kidgenius: Due to my particular taxing scenario, there shouldn't be an issue there ;)


Yeah, it's literally the difference for me. The subsidies are basically to help make up the difference for out of pocket vs pre-tax for lower income people. I make just a bit too much even though my wife doesn't work. My total tax liability would outweigh my coverage savings by ~10%. Making it not worth it since my employer's coverage is adequate. I could get a little bit better coverage at slightly less per month, but the tax liability kills it.
 
2013-10-15 12:26:30 PM  
Reading this made me realize just how good my health benefits are.  Honestly I am one of those people that benefit more under the current system than ACA.  However, by not being a sociopath, I realize that ACA is better for society as a whole than the current system.
 
2013-10-15 12:26:32 PM  

DamnYankees: Soup4Bonnie: DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.

This is why I didn't understand you last night when you said a clean cr/debt limit agreement had the votes to pass the House.  They're crazy.  They want something for their tantrum.  They are going to take us with them and even if they don't I think Cruz or some other fool like him will do it in the Senate.

I'm not in a panic, but I think we're farked.

It has the votes - it still does. Boehner just won't bring it to the floor. This has never been about whether there are enough votes to pass the thing. It's all about whether or not Boehner will bring it to the floor. I still think he will, and he'll abandon the TP caucus, but not until the last minute.


Is he really that in love with the Speaker's position that he's willing to shiat on whatever's left of his dignity in order to hold onto it for an additional 36 hours?
 
2013-10-15 12:26:48 PM  

kidgenius: George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?

Who says medicaid isn't taking personal responsibility? If you qualify for medicaid, use it. Nothing wrong with being on "the public dole". It's what the rest of us pay taxes for....it allows us to live in a civilized society.

You're coming off as disingenuous. With 4 kids, you're probably making enough to qualify for some serious subsidies (and/or medicaid). What kind of household income are you averaging?


Think you guys missed the part where he said: "have a great-grandfathered plan with mobile carrier going back 25 years and it's cheaper than any contract you've ever heard of,"

If you had a mobile back in 1988, you were probably doing pretty damn well.    And quite frankly, I've heard of $35/mo plans (via Virgin Mobile).  How much cheaper is your 1988 grandfathered plan?

In addition, he/she states " and we never eat out as we abstain from all artificial food additives ".I seriously doubt that he/she can't afford health care cause they're providing natural wholefoods/organics for the entire brood.


Ya'll are getting trolled by an anti-Obamacare advocate with a weak backstory and poor mastery of math.
 
2013-10-15 12:27:10 PM  

Infernalist: bluorangefyre: Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?

Sedition fits.  Treason doesn't.

The only thing missing from the 'sedition' charges is that Sedition requires that the accused to have used 'force' to keep legislated law from being put into effect.


Force in this kind of case in not exclusively physical.
 
2013-10-15 12:27:16 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.


Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.
 
2013-10-15 12:27:39 PM  

Infernalist: Is he really that in love with the Speaker's position that he's willing to shiat on whatever's left of his dignity in order to hold onto it for an additional 36 hours?


Yes.
 
2013-10-15 12:27:45 PM  

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Also, the cost of a bronze plan is capped at 8% of your yearly income. If the costs come in higher than that, you're allowed to just buy catastrophic coverage.

"Affordability exemption: An individual is exempt from the individual mandate for any month for which the individual does not have access to affordable MEC. For this purpose, an individual is considered to not have access to affordable coverage for a month if the individual's required contribution (determined on an annual basis) for coverage for the month exceeds 8% of the taxpayer's household income for the tax year."

But don't let that assuage your derp. You stated above that it would cost $450 for your family. You've got 4 kids and a wife. $450 a month for coverage is AWESOME. shiat, we were spending $780/month for two non-smoking adults just last year. I'd LOVE to spend only $450!
 
2013-10-15 12:28:31 PM  

Heliovdrake: Infernalist: bluorangefyre: Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?

Sedition fits.  Treason doesn't.

The only thing missing from the 'sedition' charges is that Sedition requires that the accused to have used 'force' to keep legislated law from being put into effect.

Force in this kind of case in not exclusively physical.


That would be a SC call.
 
2013-10-15 12:29:36 PM  

Bloody William: Infernalist: Is he really that in love with the Speaker's position that he's willing to shiat on whatever's left of his dignity in order to hold onto it for an additional 36 hours?

Yes.


The man will be remembered by history along side men such as Joe McCarthy.
 
2013-10-15 12:29:44 PM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


You don't live hand to mouth yet you opened this conversation up with the statement that you can't afford $175 a month for insurance. You're either really dumb or full of shiat.
 
2013-10-15 12:29:49 PM  
Meet John Boehner's new problem. Same as his old problem

Those facts repeatedly leave Boehner with only two choices: 1) Propose legislation favored by the most conservative wing of the party, ensuring unity in his ranks but dooming the bill in the Senate or 2) Accept that a compromise bill will have to pass with a majority of Democratic votes and the very real possibility of a minority of Republicans ones. The first option means we could be headed for default. The second means that Boehner's speakership would effectively be over.
Rock, meet hard place.

[He] would see the realm burn if he could be king of the ashes...
 
2013-10-15 12:30:10 PM  

VoodooTaco: If you had a mobile back in 1988, you were probably doing pretty damn well. And quite frankly, I've heard of $35/mo plans (via Virgin Mobile). How much cheaper is your 1988 grandfathered plan?

In addition, he/she states " and we never eat out as we abstain from all artificial food additives ".I seriously doubt that he/she can't afford health care cause they're providing natural wholefoods/organics for the entire brood.


We had things called 'pagers' back then which provides for the longstanding relationship with the company. And eating wholesome food that is unadulterated does not have to cost a lot of money if you don't go to Whole Foods and Trader Joes, and merely buy whole(un-processed)foods and make everything from scratch.
 
2013-10-15 12:30:20 PM  

Infernalist: The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.

Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.


Oregon is a bit different. Liberals are primarily the creamy center.
 
2013-10-15 12:30:26 PM  

Prophet of Loss: you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?


We do have a centrist party. You may have heard of them, they call themselves The Democrats.
 
2013-10-15 12:30:42 PM  

Heliovdrake: Infernalist: bluorangefyre: Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?

Sedition fits.  Treason doesn't.

The only thing missing from the 'sedition' charges is that Sedition requires that the accused to have used 'force' to keep legislated law from being put into effect.

Force in this kind of case in not exclusively physical.


img.fark.net
 
2013-10-15 12:31:03 PM  

Infernalist: The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.

Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.


That, and you basically want to get as close to metro areas like Seattle and Olympia as possible. There are a lot of little backwoods towns around here that I'm sure go red.
 
2013-10-15 12:31:25 PM  

Infernalist: The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.

Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.


I've got a scary TP friend living in the Tri-Cities area. Apparently it's pretty derpy out there.
Also something about toxic waste...
 
2013-10-15 12:31:45 PM  

darlid01: For my family of four, the cost will remain exactly the same since we get it through work. However, if I was to be working somewhere that didn't have benefits, it would cost $124/month for a family of four. Why? Because I live in MN where we were smart about it and MNCare is awesome.


I still haven't been told what our benefits are changing to, only that they have changed and are compliant with the ACA and at the bronze level.

The average bronze level plan in Oregon is less than what I am paying now though...
 
2013-10-15 12:31:53 PM  

Detinwolf: Reading this made me realize just how good my health benefits are.  Honestly I am one of those people that benefit more under the current system than ACA.  However, by not being a sociopath, I realize that ACA is better for society as a whole than the current system.


Same here, my insurance is going to change for the worse by a little but if it helps everyone then so be it.
 
2013-10-15 12:32:12 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Prophet of Loss: you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?

We do have a centrist party. You may have heard of them, they call themselves The Democrats.


I want to put a farking brick through the Overton window.
 
2013-10-15 12:32:17 PM  

Kit Fister: JolobinSmokin: actually everything you just said makes it exactly that because those were our two options and you chose the Obamacare option. Just admit it to yourself and you'll be happier in the long run.

Or I'll continue to support the candidates that are the best options on my issues, regardless of whatever meaningless drivvel you want to tack on?


which is exactly what I said and you keep denying it.
 
2013-10-15 12:32:50 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

You don't live hand to mouth yet you opened this conversation up with the statement that you can't afford $175 a month for insurance. You're either really dumb or full of shiat.


Yes, but what that buys is crap compared to the coverage we have now.
 
2013-10-15 12:33:29 PM  

meat0918: darlid01: For my family of four, the cost will remain exactly the same since we get it through work. However, if I was to be working somewhere that didn't have benefits, it would cost $124/month for a family of four. Why? Because I live in MN where we were smart about it and MNCare is awesome.

I still haven't been told what our benefits are changing to, only that they have changed and are compliant with the ACA and at the bronze level.

The average bronze level plan in Oregon is less than what I am paying now though...


Deductibles are pretty high though... Here in FL I qualified for $99 credit, bringing a Bronze to $67 a month, but with a $6500 deductible... *sigh*
 
2013-10-15 12:34:10 PM  
I put the bad-math troll on ignore and Seventy Seven posts vanished from this thread.

wtf, people.
 
2013-10-15 12:34:30 PM  
Here's how the Senate proposal shapes up:

Republicans get: Income verification
Democrats Get: Delay of reinsurance fee

Here's the new House GOP plan:

Republicans get:

Income verification
Two-year delay of medical device tax
Version of Vitter Amendment
Ban on extraordinary measures

Democrats Get:

House Republicans are still demanding concessions in return for funding the government and not defaulting. It's the same hostage-taking tactics they've been using all along. Boehner and Co. have reduced their ransom demands significantly, which is why there is a lot of optimism that a deal will eventually get done, but it's still ransom. That's why the White House and Senate Democrats are vehemently against this plan.

Link
 
2013-10-15 12:35:32 PM  

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.
 
2013-10-15 12:35:33 PM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

You don't live hand to mouth yet you opened this conversation up with the statement that you can't afford $175 a month for insurance. You're either really dumb or full of shiat.

Yes, but what that buys is crap compared to the coverage we have now.


Yes, but  YOU HAVE IT NOW. You can keep it. You're keeping that coverage. Imagine not having any at all and finding a $175/month plan for your family, even if the deductibles and copay sucks. It's better than nothing, and that's what the ACA is making companies offer.
 
2013-10-15 12:36:22 PM  

George Babbitt: DarnoKonrad: George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?

That's embarrassing.


This is the matter of fact situation for millions of Americans. The fact that so many conservatives want to perpetuate this terrible state of affairs is what I find embarrassing.

Married, no kids, non-smokers in Durham, NC. Top level Platinum coverage for $750 a month with no subsidy or discount figured in. One year ago we were paying over $1000 for insultingly terrible COBRA coverage.
 
2013-10-15 12:36:42 PM  

NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.


I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.
 
2013-10-15 12:36:50 PM  

darlid01: For my family of four, the cost will remain exactly the same since we get it through work. However, if I was to be working somewhere that didn't have benefits, it would cost $124/month for a family of four. Why? Because I live in MN where we were smart about it and MNCare is awesome.


Best coverage I could get in Canada minus vision and dental was $90/mo/person. Huh.

Almost all of us (5 adults, now in Los Angeles) qualify for Medicaid, but I'm a little skeptical about what that means practically. My last encounter with social services did not end well. However, we have gotten some good news and may triple (or better) the household income, which includes the possibility of two of us getting employer provided healthcare. Cool part is Fark is at least partially responsible for some of that.

/hate AWing, but sometimes it's worth the accusation
 
2013-10-15 12:37:08 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: It's the same hostage-taking tactics they've been using all along. Boehner and Co. have reduced their ransom demands significantly, which is why there is a lot of optimism that a deal will eventually get done, but it's still ransom.


What compromise means for the (R) republickers:

"OK, we agree not to kill your whole family.
We'll only kill your wife and pets.
How's that for a compromise?"
 
2013-10-15 12:38:38 PM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

You don't live hand to mouth yet you opened this conversation up with the statement that you can't afford $175 a month for insurance. You're either really dumb or full of shiat.

Yes, but what that buys is crap compared to the coverage we have now.


But that isn't what you said. What you said was:

George Babbitt: I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

So you CAN afford it, and you have insurance through your employer, so you don't even need to buy insurance on your own. So you're just totally full of shiat.

Meanwhile, folks like me who DID need to buy our own insurance last year would have definitely benefited from these exchanges. As I said upthread, we would have saved $500 each month and not had to have moved into a smaller apartment.
 
2013-10-15 12:39:17 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Version of Vitter Amendment


There's twitter talk about Boehner now putting up the Congressional Staffers and not just limiting this to POTUS and Congress in order to get more House votes.

And there's also some nonsense/non-starters regarding contraception restrictions for health providers.

If it passes the House, it's going nowhere.
 
2013-10-15 12:39:56 PM  

Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.


You mean these people, plus the republicker leadership:

Who are the Tea Jihadis and where do they live?

Here's an article with a map:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/09/meadows-boehne r- defund-obamacare-suicide-caucus-geography.html

And here's a link to the ransom letter they wrote to Boner:
http://meadows.house.gov/uploads/Meadows_DefundLetter.pdf

It has all of their signatures on it, but many are illegible, so I used the map in the article and referenced it against each state's congressional district map for the 113th Congress and came up with that list of states and districts.

The ransom letter signers, broken down by state, district, and name.
These people want to burn down the government rather than allow people to have health insurance:

AL: 5 - Brooks
AR: 1, 2 - Crawford , Griffin
AZ: 4, 5, 6, 8 - Gosar, Salmon, Schweikert, Franks
CA: 1, 4, 8 - LaMalfa, McClintock, Cook
CO: 5 - Lamborn

FLA: 3, 6, 8, 12 - Yoho, DeSantis, Posey, Billirakis
GA: 1, 9, 10, 11 - Kingston, Collins, Broun Jr., Gingrey
IA: 4 - King
ID: 1 - Labrador
IL: 13, 14, 18 - Davis, Hultgren, Schock

IN: 2, 3, 4, 6 - Walorski, Stutzman, Rokita, Messer
KS: 1, 4 - Huelskamp, Pompeo
KY: 4, 6 - Massie, Barr
LA: 1, 4, 6 - Scalise, Boustany Jr., Cassidy
OH: 1, 2, 4 - Chabot, Wenstrup, Jordan

OK: 1 - Bridenstine
MS: 4 - Palazzo
MN: 6 - Bachmann
MI: 1, 2, 3, 7, 8 - Benishek, Huizenga, Amash, Walberg, Rogers
MT: 1 - Daines

MO: 6, 8 - Graves, Smith
NC: 3, 5, 6, 11, 13 - Jones Jr., Foxx, Coble, Meadows, Holding
NM: 2 - Pearce
PA: 4, 10, 12, 14 - Perry, Marino, Rothfus, Doyle
SC: 2, 3, 5 - Wilson, Duncan, Mulvaney

TN: 1, 2, 3, 6 - Roe, Duncan Jr., Fleishmann, Black
TX:  1, 4, 6, 11, 14, 17, 19, 27, 36 - Gohmert Jr., Hall, Barton, Conaway, Weber, Flores, Neugebauer, Farenthold, Stockman
UT: 1 - Bishop
WI: 5 - Sensenbrenner
WY: 1 - Lummis

 Ta-da.
 
2013-10-15 12:40:45 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: If it passes the House, it's going nowhere.


Well at least they have plenty of time to sort this all out!
 
2013-10-15 12:41:07 PM  
Just keep working at it, House GOP.

planetpov.com
 
2013-10-15 12:41:09 PM  

trickymoo: happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]

Maybe when the ceiling was raised to pay for cruise missiles, he opposed it.

Maybe when the ceiling is going to be raised to pay for the Affordable Care Act, he supports it.

Man, its farking WILD! to think that a politician can have different opinions on varying items when posed in drastically different contexts.

/Pleaserolleveryclipofeverypoliticianever.
//OF ALL TIME.


I missed that when it happened. Must have been out of the country or something.

Was Obongo doing it to force Bush to repeal No Child Left Behind or something? Did he shut down the government over it, yet keep changing his demands every time Bush tried to fix it? Did he threaten to impeach Bush because Bush supported that evil, job-killing No Child Left Behind program?

I just don't remember. Little help?
 
2013-10-15 12:41:46 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Well at least they have plenty of time to sort this all out!


I'm trying to limit my drinking these days.  You're not helping.  :P
 
2013-10-15 12:42:02 PM  

Pangea: George Babbitt: DarnoKonrad: George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?

That's embarrassing.

This is the matter of fact situation for millions of Americans. The fact that so many conservatives want to perpetuate this terrible state of affairs is what I find embarrassing.

Married, no kids, non-smokers in Durham, NC. Top level Platinum coverage for $750 a month with no subsidy or discount figured in. One year ago we were paying over $1000 for insultingly terrible COBRA coverage.


Agreed. We were forking over $1200/month for COBRA, and then $780/month for insurance for two non-smokers. And if we'd been able to buy on the WA exchange last year, we'd have only spent $350 for better coverage. Well, not better than the COBRA. But the most expensive Gold plan was still less than $1000, which is less than the $1200 we were paying for COBRA. So no matter what, we'd have saved at least $200 just by using the exchange. Things are a little different now because our income is higher and we no longer qualify for subsidies. However, the exchange is still cheaper than the $1200 for COBRA.
 
2013-10-15 12:42:05 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Yes, the collapes of the national economy and government, which is what the teahats wanted. That was their only goal of getting into office; take it down from the inside.

They have this dream that its still 1830, and that includes using muskets go to into the woods to hunt your dinner every night and forming a posse to dispense frontier justice when they think they've been done wrong.
 
2013-10-15 12:42:30 PM  
It's funny that the harbringer of the eventual destruction of the United States appears to be itself.
 
2013-10-15 12:42:56 PM  

d23: SpectroBoy: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)

Food inspection.
Mass emergency management and recovery
Centralizing issues of health safety. (CDC, NIH)
Coordinating communications resources (the hated FCC)
Lists of other things that don't make a profit but HAVE to be done.

None of that is roses either, all of it is a mess in practice... but it has to be done.


Yeah, but besides all that, what have the Romans ever done for us?
 
2013-10-15 12:43:01 PM  
Are Boner and the rest of them meth heads or what?
 
2013-10-15 12:43:43 PM  

KellyX: meat0918: darlid01: For my family of four, the cost will remain exactly the same since we get it through work. However, if I was to be working somewhere that didn't have benefits, it would cost $124/month for a family of four. Why? Because I live in MN where we were smart about it and MNCare is awesome.

I still haven't been told what our benefits are changing to, only that they have changed and are compliant with the ACA and at the bronze level.

The average bronze level plan in Oregon is less than what I am paying now though...

Deductibles are pretty high though... Here in FL I qualified for $99 credit, bringing a Bronze to $67 a month, but with a $6500 deductible... *sigh*


If you qualify for a premium subsidy, you also likely qualify for cost-sharing subsidies (which the calculators don't take into account).  That will lower your per-visit costs and such.
 
2013-10-15 12:43:52 PM  
Just gonna post this here
 
2013-10-15 12:44:35 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Dusk-You-n-Me: Well at least they have plenty of time to sort this all out!

I'm trying to limit my drinking these days.


In this economy???
 
2013-10-15 12:45:19 PM  

blindio: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


Killing Asians, Arabs, and other brown poor people, for one.
Soon, they'll be coming for you too.
 
2013-10-15 12:45:46 PM  

George Babbitt: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That is the first time in history I have ever heard of insurance doing that and if true would be awesome, citation needed though, if you please.



What Infernalist was referring to was the 80/20 requirement: 80% of each dollar you pay must, on average, go to healthcare, while only 20% can go to overhead costs.  If there is a gap, you get the difference.

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=ACA+insurance+refund
 
2013-10-15 12:46:22 PM  
We have two days to do this. There's no way they can do it before Thursday. We're going right off the cliff.
 
2013-10-15 12:47:23 PM  

NewportBarGuy: We have two days to do this. There's no way they can do it before Thursday. We're going right off the cliff.


I don't have much in the way of investments, but what I have has been pulled from the market.  I don't have high hopes.

But if they force a default, I expect the President to officially lose his shiat and have them arrested.

I expect it.
 
2013-10-15 12:49:07 PM  

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


So, let's see in 2006 when the economy was booming Senator Obama opposed increasing deficit spending, which is a stimulus. Since 2009, President Obama is in favor of deficit spending, which is a stimulus.

Hmm....what happened between 2006 and 2009? Maybe something that effected the economy and required stimulus spending? Say the Bush recession?

If you understand economics, particularly Keynesian economics, then you understand there is no contradiction between Senator Obamas position in 2006 and President Obamas position in 2013. NONE. I'm guessing you never took an economics class and barely passed high school.
 
2013-10-15 12:49:52 PM  

Where wolf: George Babbitt: Infernalist: You do realize that under ACA rules, insurance companies are required to issue refunds at the end of the year if you don't use that insurance in that year's time?

That is the first time in history I have ever heard of insurance doing that and if true would be awesome, citation needed though, if you please.


What Infernalist was referring to was the 80/20 requirement: 80% of each dollar you pay must, on average, go to healthcare, while only 20% can go to overhead costs.  If there is a gap, you get the difference.

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=ACA+insurance+refund


No, that's not correct.

80% of the dollars the INSURANCE company takes in must go to health care. If more than 20% goes to overhead, insurance is required to send checks to the insured. Slight difference, but you don't get a huge refund every year if you don't use your insurance.
 
2013-10-15 12:51:12 PM  
The GOP is going to make sure we default.  They see the good times and budget surplus under Clinton as purely a result of the contract with America.  They see that everyone loves Clinton and gives them no credit for the late 90s.  Well this time around they are going the other direction, they are gonna crash the economy just so that 20 years from now people will hopefully look back on Obama and say that he was bad.  They literally want to do it because they think Obama will get blamed.  They no longer have any political goals or ideas it's just do everything they can to make Obama look bad and try to mess things up because they can't make the country better when a Democrat is in the White House.
It's pretty farked up and the debt limit particularly so.  They can raise the debt limit by just saying we raise the debt limit, just like that basically wave a magic wand and no more default or threat of default hanging over the economies head but they won't do it because they hate America because America had the audacity to elect a Democratic president.
 
2013-10-15 12:52:03 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Just keep working at it, House GOP.

[planetpov.com image 183x125]


Dig UP, stupid!
 
2013-10-15 12:52:04 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: blindio: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

Killing Asians, Arabs, and other brown poor people, for one.
Soon, they'll be coming for you too.


I hope everyone is buying their Zippos. There's going to be a lot of draft card burning soon and very soon. They make Zippos in women's models too.

Farking oil wars. Our young people fight them, other nations' oil companies get the profits.
 
2013-10-15 12:54:06 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Are Boner and the rest of them meth heads or what?


No, they have just fallen into a lot of cognitive dissonance.  Their social, economic, and foreign policies that they have believed in for the last thirty three years have proven time and again to be utter and complete failures. The only thing they can understand to do is to cling harder to those same policies with the idea that this time restricitng the rights of a minority, reducing the role government plays in peoples lives, and screwing with other nations will work.

They truly believe that they are right and if we would all just go along with the program the US will enter a new golden age, despite being proven wrong on everything for the last thirty three years. That much cognitive dissonance will drive anybody crazy.
 
2013-10-15 12:54:15 PM  
Oop, image is too big, didn't preview, have a link instead
 
2013-10-15 12:54:19 PM  

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


aren't you Canadian?
 
2013-10-15 12:54:21 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Infernalist: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

1) Do everything you can to screw up the government.

2) Campaign on the premise that government is screwed up and we need less of it.

3) Profit.

It baffles me that voters will elect people who's stated goal is to destroy the government.


Because then they won't have anyone keeping them from owning the guns that they're already not kept from owning!!
 
2013-10-15 12:54:40 PM  
This lady questioning Carney is attacking Obama for violating his principles of not negotiating on the debt ceiling.

Well, dumbass, Obama wouldn't have to negotiate if the GOP wasn't being complete f*cking nutjob assholes. Yes, he is going back on his word because he is goddamn forced to try anything for fear of the government defaulting.

She just wants a soundbite where Obama is backing down and going back on his word.
 
2013-10-15 12:56:56 PM  
The more assholish they behave, the more delicious and (hopefully) enduring the backlash will be.
 
2013-10-15 12:57:57 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Kit Fister: JolobinSmokin: actually everything you just said makes it exactly that because those were our two options and you chose the Obamacare option. Just admit it to yourself and you'll be happier in the long run.

Or I'll continue to support the candidates that are the best options on my issues, regardless of whatever meaningless drivvel you want to tack on?

which is exactly what I said and you keep denying it.


Sorry, I misunderstood. :)
 
2013-10-15 01:00:00 PM  
Brianna Keilar: Obama seems ok with the senate bill that has a concession in it. Does that mean he is a lying scumbag that doesn't stand on his word and is negotiating on the debt ceiling?
Carney: Why are you asking this? We need the debt ceiling raised and the government re-opened.
Keilar: But, Obama is going back on his word, right?
Carney: We want an agreement that will pass the senate and the house
Keilar: So, he is a lying scumbag?
 
2013-10-15 01:01:58 PM  

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


Nope.  They are worried it will suck, but that people grow to accept a shiat sandwich, because well, it is a free shiat sandwich.  People will line up for hours or days for something they deem is 'theirs'.  It doesnt matter if it sucks or if they even want it.

Much like a beaten girlfriend, they keep hanging around the asshole because they tell themselves a shiatty boyfriend is somehow better than no boyfriend.
 
2013-10-15 01:02:44 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Nope.  They are worried it will suck, but that people grow to accept a shiat sandwich, because well, it is a free shiat sandwich.  People will line up for hours or days for something they deem is 'theirs'.  It doesnt matter if it sucks or if they even want it.

Much like a beaten girlfriend, they keep hanging around the asshole because they tell themselves a shiatty boyfriend is somehow better than no boyfriend.


How is it free when everyone is required by law to buy insurance?
 
2013-10-15 01:04:40 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Nope.  They are worried it will suck, but that people grow to accept a shiat sandwich, because well, it is a free shiat sandwich.  People will line up for hours or days for something they deem is 'theirs'.  It doesnt matter if it sucks or if they even want it.

Much like a beaten girlfriend, they keep hanging around the asshole because they tell themselves a shiatty boyfriend is somehow better than no boyfriend.


I think this might possibly be the stupidest thing I have read all week that wasn't an obvious troll.
 
2013-10-15 01:05:46 PM  

Infernalist: How is it free when everyone is required by law to buy insurance?


Because well, it is a free shiat sandwich you have to buy first. But after you bought it, it's free, or something.
 
2013-10-15 01:05:57 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Nope.  They are worried it will suck, but that people grow to accept a shiat sandwich, because well, it is a free shiat sandwich.  People will line up for hours or days for something they deem is 'theirs'.  It doesnt matter if it sucks or if they even want it.

Much like a beaten girlfriend, they keep hanging around the asshole because they tell themselves a shiatty boyfriend is somehow better than no boyfriend.


This is possibly the dumbest post in the entire thread, and show thats you have no understand of how the ACA works, let alone insurance or healthcare.
 
2013-10-15 01:06:12 PM  

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage. WAAAAA Obamacare sucks because I get insurance from my employer. Or, WAAAAAAAA Obamacare sucks because I can totally afford to spend $450 to cover my wife and four kids!


favorited: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much
 
2013-10-15 01:06:12 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Nope.  They are worried it will suck, but that people grow to accept a shiat sandwich, because well, it is a free shiat sandwich.  People will line up for hours or days for something they deem is 'theirs'.  It doesnt matter if it sucks or if they even want it.

Much like a beaten girlfriend, they keep hanging around the asshole because they tell themselves a shiatty boyfriend is somehow better than no boyfriend.


That's a little off.

The boyfriend isn't beating her. He's a doctor tending to her wounds, and she's screaming "socialism!" while bleeding to death.

/really? Domestic violence? You went there?
//no, I don't think Obamacare will be zomg awesome, but half my family is unemployed due to medical issues that we can't treat because we're poor. Obamacare is just about our last chance to get out of this mess.
 
2013-10-15 01:07:57 PM  

Heliovdrake: Nutsac_Jim: Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Nope.  They are worried it will suck, but that people grow to accept a shiat sandwich, because well, it is a free shiat sandwich.  People will line up for hours or days for something they deem is 'theirs'.  It doesnt matter if it sucks or if they even want it.

Much like a beaten girlfriend, they keep hanging around the asshole because they tell themselves a shiatty boyfriend is somehow better than no boyfriend.

This is possibly the dumbest post in the entire thread, and show that you have no understanding of how the ACA works, let alone insurance or healthcare.


There, FTFMY
/ always hit preview and read what you typed 2 times.
 
2013-10-15 01:08:05 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Exactly. I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I was able to utilize the WA exchange and find insurance that was better than the insurance we'd had to buy on our own last year that was $500 cheaper each month. Better insurance. Lower deductibles. No copays (versus $40 copays). $500 cheaper per month. And even though we're solidly middle class making more than the median yearly income, we'd get a subsidy to help us pay for the insurance (which is why it was $500 cheaper and not $350).

Please note that we moved to a smaller apartment to help pay for the insurance we had to buy on our own for 10 months. If we'd had access to the exchanges, we wouldn't have had to do that. Part of why we moved is we were on COBRA for a few months while Regence slowly, slowly processed our application. Took them 3 months and they made us pay for November even though we hadn't used any services and they hadn't approved our application until December. It was pay for November (on top of paying COBRA in November) or go through the process all over again and hope it doesn't take another 3 months. So they got $780 from us for nothing, plus we paid $1200 for COBRA. Nothing quite like spending $2000 for one month of health insurance when all you did was buy 3 generic prescriptions.

Meanwhile, retards keep telling me that Obamacare will be more expensive for people they know. The only thing I can imagine is those people they know are either lying, mistaken, or have such shiatty insurance that it doesn't count as actual insurance.


ask them what state they live in
states with ( R ) leadership aren't having as easy a time as they ought to
or they are lying, mistaken or have shiatty insurance too
 
2013-10-15 01:09:53 PM  
YUP the pants are fully and truly on the house repubs heads.  and Boehner refuses to do what by now he knows he must do.
 
2013-10-15 01:16:05 PM  
Why do people keep saying that the democrats and White House meet Boehner halfway?

Halfway between raising the debt limit or watching the worldwide economy crash?
 
2013-10-15 01:16:10 PM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

You don't live hand to mouth yet you opened this conversation up with the statement that you can't afford $175 a month for insurance. You're either really dumb or full of shiat.

Yes, but what that buys is crap compared to the coverage we have now.


From everything I've read, I've been able to come up with one scenario where your assertions make sense when taken all together. That is, your employer is thinking about dropping your health insurance. That's it. It has zero to do with the ACA. Your employer may be ditching your health insurance and you mistakenly equate this with the evil health insurance act that's been in the news a lot lately. I guarantee your employer was paying a lot more than $175 a month for your insurance. Maybe you should be mad at your employer for pocketing that money instead of raising your pay.

If I'm wrong, please correct me, but make sure you give all the information this time. Or ignore me so I can rest assured you are a troll.
 
2013-10-15 01:16:28 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

You don't live hand to mouth yet you opened this conversation up with the statement that you can't afford $175 a month for insurance. You're either really dumb or full of shiat.

Yes, but what that buys is crap compared to the coverage we have now.

But that isn't what you said. What you said was:

George Babbitt: I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

So you CAN afford it, and you have insurance through your employer, so you don't even need to buy insurance on your own. So you're just totally full of shiat.

Meanwhile, folks like me who DID need to buy our own insurance last year would have definitely benefited from these exchanges. As I said upthread, we would have saved $500 each month and not had to have moved into a smaller apartment.


He doesn't care. He's got his.
 
2013-10-15 01:17:34 PM  
Serious question:  Can we bring these traitors up on charges of treason?
 
2013-10-15 01:18:12 PM  

Nacc: ginandbacon: Newsflash? Really?

Does this really hurt your butt that bad? Really?


Hmmm no. But  Subby wasn't pleased with it either. So why are you whiteknighting someone who actually asked the modmins to change his tag? Do I bother you THAT much? Get over yourself and put me on ignore if I cause you this much angst.
 
2013-10-15 01:18:40 PM  

PsiChick: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

The public school system.

/Yes, really, go look it up.
//Same with mail service.
///And yes, you need to compare it to what was in place before those existed, not compared to what you wish you had in utopia.


Also firefighting.
 
2013-10-15 01:18:49 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: I think this might possibly be the stupidest thing I have read all week that wasn't an obvious troll.


and also a hit-and-run, from the looks of it
 
2013-10-15 01:19:40 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: We were forking over $1200/month for COBRA, and then $780/month for insurance for two non-smokers


Insanity.  No one should have to shell out $14,400/yr for COBRA.  My dad is looking at COBRA (going to retire and lose his very good work benefits) and he's "lucky" enough that he can replace his house payment with a COBRA payment.

This is why reform is needed.  The system is just too expensive.
 
2013-10-15 01:20:25 PM  

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


strange
I dont vote for a party, I vote for candidates who support my major issues (mostly equal rights and pro-choice).

you talk about other parties as if they are something real.
How about pointing to candidates?
Are there are political leaders out there, non gop/dem?
None that I have ever seen.

None that we ever will see.
 
2013-10-15 01:20:55 PM  

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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And here all this time I've been reading books and periodicals to help me make informed and intelligent decisions, when all the while I could have been derping doing like you can learning about the world from the funny papers.

id10t
 
2013-10-15 01:21:09 PM  

obenchainr: KellyX: meat0918: darlid01: For my family of four, the cost will remain exactly the same since we get it through work. However, if I was to be working somewhere that didn't have benefits, it would cost $124/month for a family of four. Why? Because I live in MN where we were smart about it and MNCare is awesome.

I still haven't been told what our benefits are changing to, only that they have changed and are compliant with the ACA and at the bronze level.

The average bronze level plan in Oregon is less than what I am paying now though...

Deductibles are pretty high though... Here in FL I qualified for $99 credit, bringing a Bronze to $67 a month, but with a $6500 deductible... *sigh*

If you qualify for a premium subsidy, you also likely qualify for cost-sharing subsidies (which the calculators don't take into account).  That will lower your per-visit costs and such.


Where do you find that? The healthcare.gov site didn't seem to mention that.

I put in my last year tax numbers too, but I recently took a voluntarily pay cut for the last 2 months now, so I might qualify for better tax credit, but I don't know how to update that.

Thinking I might need to talk to one of the exchange people soon (if Rick Scott lets us)
 
2013-10-15 01:22:11 PM  

KellyX: I recently took a voluntarily pay cut for the last 2 months now


wat
 
2013-10-15 01:22:20 PM  

Detinwolf: Mike Chewbacca: We were forking over $1200/month for COBRA, and then $780/month for insurance for two non-smokers

Insanity.  No one should have to shell out $14,400/yr for COBRA.  My dad is looking at COBRA (going to retire and lose his very good work benefits) and he's "lucky" enough that he can replace his house payment with a COBRA payment.

This is why reform is needed.  The system is just too expensive.


Steer him to a health insurance exchange. There is absolutely no reason for your dad to have to buy COBRA coverage after Jan 1.
 
2013-10-15 01:22:20 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Here's how the Senate proposal shapes up:

Republicans get: Income verification
Democrats Get: Delay of reinsurance fee

Here's the new House GOP plan:

Republicans get:

Income verification
Two-year delay of medical device tax
Version of Vitter Amendment
Ban on extraordinary measures

Democrats Get:

House Republicans are still demanding concessions in return for funding the government and not defaulting. It's the same hostage-taking tactics they've been using all along. Boehner and Co. have reduced their ransom demands significantly, which is why there is a lot of optimism that a deal will eventually get done, but it's still ransom. That's why the White House and Senate Democrats are vehemently against this plan.

Link


Is the Vitter amendment the one where everyone has to wear adult diapers?
 
2013-10-15 01:22:26 PM  

Daraymann: Serious question:  Can we bring these traitors up on charges of treason?


Sedition, most likely, but Sedition requires that 'force' be used to prevent legislated law from going into effect.

If nothing else, the SC needs to be consulted before arrests are made.
 
2013-10-15 01:22:41 PM  

Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.


I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of making themselves "martyrs" to the TP cause.  I'd rather see them and the TP humiliated on a national stage next year when many of the incumbents/nominees that pledge themselves to the TP lose by a wide margin.
 
2013-10-15 01:23:25 PM  

Rwa2play: Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.

I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of making themselves "martyrs" to the TP cause.  I'd rather see them and the TP humiliated on a national stage next year when many of the incumbents/nominees that pledge themselves to the TP lose by a wide margin.


That's over a year away. And I can't imagine how much more damage these lunatics can do in that time.
 
2013-10-15 01:23:26 PM  

bulldg4life: KellyX: I recently took a voluntarily pay cut for the last 2 months now

wat


He's probably doing it (along with his coworkers) to keep people from getting laid off or furloughed.
 
2013-10-15 01:23:44 PM  
Tag team default champ
 
2013-10-15 01:24:38 PM  

bulldg4life: Why do people keep saying that the democrats and White House meet Boehner halfway?

Halfway between raising the debt limit or watching the worldwide economy crash?


Because we're an intellectually and morally bankrupt society, particularly in the media.
 
2013-10-15 01:25:08 PM  

Infernalist: The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.

Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.


I wish that was true with all bodies of water, I can see the Ohio River from my office window.
 
2013-10-15 01:26:42 PM  

Daraymann: Serious question:  Can we bring these traitors up on charges of treason?


Sedition Conspiracy -  http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
 
2013-10-15 01:26:58 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much


Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.
 
2013-10-15 01:28:34 PM  

bulldg4life: KellyX: I recently took a voluntarily pay cut for the last 2 months now

wat


I work 5 days a week, but get paid for 4 days a week... everyone at the company has done it to help keep the business' head afloat.

We went from having our best 2-3 years post-economy depression, to having our worse year in a long time since the sequester started.
 
2013-10-15 01:30:17 PM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much

Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.


Here's a guy who doesn't understand the ACA at all.
 
2013-10-15 01:30:27 PM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much

Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.


What the fark are you talking about? $450/month to cover 6 people isn't a lot of money. That's $900 per person for the entire year. ($450x12months=$5400/year; $5400/6 people=$900)
 
2013-10-15 01:31:15 PM  

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.

I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of making themselves "martyrs" to the TP cause.  I'd rather see them and the TP humiliated on a national stage next year when many of the incumbents/nominees that pledge themselves to the TP lose by a wide margin.

That's over a year away. And I can't imagine how much more damage these lunatics can do in that time.


Besides which, the general populace - and especially the voting populace, who tend to be old and bored - have the hindsight of a goddamned gnat.  A year from now, no one will care.
 
2013-10-15 01:32:17 PM  

KellyX: bulldg4life: KellyX: I recently took a voluntarily pay cut for the last 2 months now

wat

I work 5 days a week, but get paid for 4 days a week... everyone at the company has done it to help keep the business' head afloat.

We went from having our best 2-3 years post-economy depression, to having our worse year in a long time since the sequester started.


We're a small business in a niche market (Thin Film Deposition related) of 6 people. That 10% cut to DOD and other civilian related budgets, hit everyone above us (Universities, companies, etc.) that send orders down the chain that we subcontract for fulfilling. All those above us had to cut back orders, or jobs, etc. and by time all that flows down, we're seeing over a 50% reduction in business.

So that sequester... it's farking killing us!
 
2013-10-15 01:32:52 PM  

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

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It was a symbolic vote. It still passed because Dems allowed it to pass 52 - 48 rather than the 60 votes needed. Go back and read your history.

They also WERE NOT holding our government and the economic well-being of our nation hostage just because there's a law (that was found to be constitutional by SCotUS) that they don't like. It was only to give them an opportunity to make a statement about certain issues they had.

You may now point and grunt at any words in my comment that have too many syllables for you to understand.
 
2013-10-15 01:32:53 PM  

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.

I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of making themselves "martyrs" to the TP cause.  I'd rather see them and the TP humiliated on a national stage next year when many of the incumbents/nominees that pledge themselves to the TP lose by a wide margin.

That's over a year away. And I can't imagine how much more damage these lunatics can do in that time.


Me neither; the fact that it'll be fresh in the voters' minds come next year is my lone comfort.  I'd opt for a very narrow (1 or 2 seat) GOP House majority and even those seats were won by 1% or less.

Then the ball's in the TPs court:  Continue down the road you've been going, then see Democrats nominate a candidate which will appeal to moderates, then see said Democratic Presidential candidate win with a significant margin, then see the ripple effect being Dems regain the House and retain the Senate.  Then see moderate Republicans join with Democrats and leave you out in the cold.

Then again, the TPers seem to have a Jim Jones-esque mentality, which is frightening to contemplate.
 
2013-10-15 01:34:15 PM  

George Babbitt: And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.


So let's use the Republicans plan for healthcare..... could you please let me know what that is because I am failing to find any plan other than Romney's "We have a plan but we won't tell you what it is until you take away the ACA"
 
2013-10-15 01:35:44 PM  

KellyX: KellyX: bulldg4life: KellyX: I recently took a voluntarily pay cut for the last 2 months now

wat

I work 5 days a week, but get paid for 4 days a week... everyone at the company has done it to help keep the business' head afloat.

We went from having our best 2-3 years post-economy depression, to having our worse year in a long time since the sequester started.

We're a small business in a niche market (Thin Film Deposition related) of 6 people. That 10% cut to DOD and other civilian related budgets, hit everyone above us (Universities, companies, etc.) that send orders down the chain that we subcontract for fulfilling. All those above us had to cut back orders, or jobs, etc. and by time all that flows down, we're seeing over a 50% reduction in business.

So that sequester... it's farking killing us!


And for the record, it's hurting a lot of companies in our industry, and not just small ones like ours, but bigger names in the industry (which I won't name, but some big damn names) and when a lot of those don't weather it out, the whole industry is going to be hurting badly or be taken over by Chinese ones that will start reverse engineering stuff, but probably be shiatty quality and not work for shiat.

Good luck on the R&D industry in America when it comes to PVD stuff
 
2013-10-15 01:37:06 PM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


The US military?
 
2013-10-15 01:37:21 PM  

bulldg4life: Why do people keep saying that the democrats and White House meet Boehner halfway?

Halfway between raising the debt limit or watching the worldwide economy crash?


If a functioning economy is the "compromise" position, then the teabagger starting position is that the US economy should be destroyed.
 
2013-10-15 01:37:32 PM  

KellyX: Thinking I might need to talk to one of the exchange people soon (if Rick Scott lets us)


I've been wondering the same thing. Are there people in Florida that can help citizens with the ACA without going online? Or has Scott blocked any personal help you may need in an attempt to make the law look bad?

I hate Charlie Christ but considering Fl. Dems are useless when it comes to viable candidates we may be stuck with him come 2014. That said, I'm wiling to vote for him just to be rid of the asshole we have now and hopefully he'll expand the ACA if elected. That's what's needed imo. Considering it's Florida though, we may wind up with Scott for another term. I have zero faith in the voters in this State.
 
2013-10-15 01:38:51 PM