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2013-10-15 01:24:38 PM

bulldg4life: Why do people keep saying that the democrats and White House meet Boehner halfway?

Halfway between raising the debt limit or watching the worldwide economy crash?


Because we're an intellectually and morally bankrupt society, particularly in the media.
 
2013-10-15 01:25:08 PM

Infernalist: The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.

Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.


I wish that was true with all bodies of water, I can see the Ohio River from my office window.
 
2013-10-15 01:26:42 PM

Daraymann: Serious question:  Can we bring these traitors up on charges of treason?


Sedition Conspiracy -  http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
 
2013-10-15 01:26:58 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much


Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.
 
2013-10-15 01:28:34 PM

bulldg4life: KellyX: I recently took a voluntarily pay cut for the last 2 months now

wat


I work 5 days a week, but get paid for 4 days a week... everyone at the company has done it to help keep the business' head afloat.

We went from having our best 2-3 years post-economy depression, to having our worse year in a long time since the sequester started.
 
2013-10-15 01:30:17 PM

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much

Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.


Here's a guy who doesn't understand the ACA at all.
 
2013-10-15 01:30:27 PM

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much

Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.


What the fark are you talking about? $450/month to cover 6 people isn't a lot of money. That's $900 per person for the entire year. ($450x12months=$5400/year; $5400/6 people=$900)
 
2013-10-15 01:31:15 PM

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.

I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of making themselves "martyrs" to the TP cause.  I'd rather see them and the TP humiliated on a national stage next year when many of the incumbents/nominees that pledge themselves to the TP lose by a wide margin.

That's over a year away. And I can't imagine how much more damage these lunatics can do in that time.


Besides which, the general populace - and especially the voting populace, who tend to be old and bored - have the hindsight of a goddamned gnat.  A year from now, no one will care.
 
2013-10-15 01:32:17 PM

KellyX: bulldg4life: KellyX: I recently took a voluntarily pay cut for the last 2 months now

wat

I work 5 days a week, but get paid for 4 days a week... everyone at the company has done it to help keep the business' head afloat.

We went from having our best 2-3 years post-economy depression, to having our worse year in a long time since the sequester started.


We're a small business in a niche market (Thin Film Deposition related) of 6 people. That 10% cut to DOD and other civilian related budgets, hit everyone above us (Universities, companies, etc.) that send orders down the chain that we subcontract for fulfilling. All those above us had to cut back orders, or jobs, etc. and by time all that flows down, we're seeing over a 50% reduction in business.

So that sequester... it's farking killing us!
 
2013-10-15 01:32:52 PM

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


It was a symbolic vote. It still passed because Dems allowed it to pass 52 - 48 rather than the 60 votes needed. Go back and read your history.

They also WERE NOT holding our government and the economic well-being of our nation hostage just because there's a law (that was found to be constitutional by SCotUS) that they don't like. It was only to give them an opportunity to make a statement about certain issues they had.

You may now point and grunt at any words in my comment that have too many syllables for you to understand.
 
2013-10-15 01:32:53 PM

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.

I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of making themselves "martyrs" to the TP cause.  I'd rather see them and the TP humiliated on a national stage next year when many of the incumbents/nominees that pledge themselves to the TP lose by a wide margin.

That's over a year away. And I can't imagine how much more damage these lunatics can do in that time.


Me neither; the fact that it'll be fresh in the voters' minds come next year is my lone comfort.  I'd opt for a very narrow (1 or 2 seat) GOP House majority and even those seats were won by 1% or less.

Then the ball's in the TPs court:  Continue down the road you've been going, then see Democrats nominate a candidate which will appeal to moderates, then see said Democratic Presidential candidate win with a significant margin, then see the ripple effect being Dems regain the House and retain the Senate.  Then see moderate Republicans join with Democrats and leave you out in the cold.

Then again, the TPers seem to have a Jim Jones-esque mentality, which is frightening to contemplate.
 
2013-10-15 01:34:15 PM

George Babbitt: And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.


So let's use the Republicans plan for healthcare..... could you please let me know what that is because I am failing to find any plan other than Romney's "We have a plan but we won't tell you what it is until you take away the ACA"
 
2013-10-15 01:35:44 PM

KellyX: KellyX: bulldg4life: KellyX: I recently took a voluntarily pay cut for the last 2 months now

wat

I work 5 days a week, but get paid for 4 days a week... everyone at the company has done it to help keep the business' head afloat.

We went from having our best 2-3 years post-economy depression, to having our worse year in a long time since the sequester started.

We're a small business in a niche market (Thin Film Deposition related) of 6 people. That 10% cut to DOD and other civilian related budgets, hit everyone above us (Universities, companies, etc.) that send orders down the chain that we subcontract for fulfilling. All those above us had to cut back orders, or jobs, etc. and by time all that flows down, we're seeing over a 50% reduction in business.

So that sequester... it's farking killing us!


And for the record, it's hurting a lot of companies in our industry, and not just small ones like ours, but bigger names in the industry (which I won't name, but some big damn names) and when a lot of those don't weather it out, the whole industry is going to be hurting badly or be taken over by Chinese ones that will start reverse engineering stuff, but probably be shiatty quality and not work for shiat.

Good luck on the R&D industry in America when it comes to PVD stuff
 
2013-10-15 01:37:06 PM

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


The US military?
 
2013-10-15 01:37:21 PM

bulldg4life: Why do people keep saying that the democrats and White House meet Boehner halfway?

Halfway between raising the debt limit or watching the worldwide economy crash?


If a functioning economy is the "compromise" position, then the teabagger starting position is that the US economy should be destroyed.
 
2013-10-15 01:37:32 PM

KellyX: Thinking I might need to talk to one of the exchange people soon (if Rick Scott lets us)


I've been wondering the same thing. Are there people in Florida that can help citizens with the ACA without going online? Or has Scott blocked any personal help you may need in an attempt to make the law look bad?

I hate Charlie Christ but considering Fl. Dems are useless when it comes to viable candidates we may be stuck with him come 2014. That said, I'm wiling to vote for him just to be rid of the asshole we have now and hopefully he'll expand the ACA if elected. That's what's needed imo. Considering it's Florida though, we may wind up with Scott for another term. I have zero faith in the voters in this State.
 
2013-10-15 01:38:51 PM

Usurper4: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

The US military?


Also, last time I checked, it wasn't private money that put Americans in space and on the moon.
 
2013-10-15 01:38:52 PM
To be frank, I don't think the people who I want to change their minds on this are listening anymore. They gave half a crap last week and were busy saying ALL POLITICIANS ARE TERRIBLE and BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME! and this week they just don't care. Pretty much exactly what the house GOP was banking on when they came up with their self-destruction plan.
 
2013-10-15 01:42:16 PM

asmodeus224: Yea, all you need is a latino and all the latinos will vote for you, of course...they are really stupid like that. Proceed, GOP


Hey, it worked for the black vote.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-15 01:45:01 PM
And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."
 
2013-10-15 01:45:38 PM

Xenomech: asmodeus224: Yea, all you need is a latino and all the latinos will vote for you, of course...they are really stupid like that. Proceed, GOP

Hey, it worked for the black vote.

[i.imgur.com image 450x341]


Nonsense, Obama isn't black.
 
2013-10-15 01:46:41 PM

Xenomech: Hey, it worked for the black vote.


Your idiotic troll becomes doubly stupid when you realize democrats have gotten 90% black vote for 50 years.
 
2013-10-15 01:46:42 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."


That seems like that would push beyond the limits of acceptability and into 'sedition' territory.
 
2013-10-15 01:47:31 PM

Infernalist: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."

That seems like that would push beyond the limits of acceptability and into 'sedition' territory.


THIS.  Sadly though, no one is willing to enforce that.
 
2013-10-15 01:48:00 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."


Jesus Christ.

They need to air this shiat all over the networks, then have FBI agents waiting at all their houses.
 
2013-10-15 01:48:58 PM

Infernalist: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."

That seems like that would push beyond the limits of acceptability and into 'sedition' territory.


Can you imagine this:  Obama goes for god-mode trolling and stands on the Capitol steps while Federal Marshals lead the House GOP leadership away in handcuffs.

The sheer multitude of exploding heads would silence talk radio forever, lulz.
 
2013-10-15 01:50:22 PM

draa: KellyX: Thinking I might need to talk to one of the exchange people soon (if Rick Scott lets us)

I've been wondering the same thing. Are there people in Florida that can help citizens with the ACA without going online? Or has Scott blocked any personal help you may need in an attempt to make the law look bad?

I hate Charlie Christ but considering Fl. Dems are useless when it comes to viable candidates we may be stuck with him come 2014. That said, I'm wiling to vote for him just to be rid of the asshole we have now and hopefully he'll expand the ACA if elected. That's what's needed imo. Considering it's Florida though, we may wind up with Scott for another term. I have zero faith in the voters in this State.


I don't know on the exchange people, last I had heard Rick Scott's administration was delaying approving licenses or something to them as much as possible to slow things down. I'm not sure how it works though, if X number are being sent to locations per county or what or if that's just people to talk on the phone with.

As for the election... Rick Scott BARELY won last time, even people I know that voted for him hate him right now. I suspect had Alex Sink run against him again in 2014, she'd win.

Frankly, I'll be voting for anyone that runs against him, if it's Christ running, I'd have no issue. Frankly he was a very liberal Republican back then, and he seems like he's learned from that era too.
 
2013-10-15 01:52:03 PM

TNel: George Babbitt: And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.

So let's use the Republicans plan for healthcare..... could you please let me know what that is because I am failing to find any plan other than Romney's "We have a plan but we won't tell you what it is until you take away the ACA"


You're doing it again.
 
2013-10-15 01:52:03 PM

bulldg4life: Xenomech: Hey, it worked for the black vote.

Your idiotic troll becomes doubly stupid when you realize democrats have gotten 90% black vote for 50 years.


It was kind of cool when a poll showed Romney with 0% black support, plus or minus 3%.

/I guess -3% would be when some black people convinced their white friends to vote Obama
 
2013-10-15 01:53:29 PM

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


The Junior Senator, from IL, was indulging in a beau geste (2006 was just boffo - what `limit'?).  Read the entire floor speech, it ain't what's being highlighted for the foxbound.  Something about PAY-GO no longer being applied to tax cuts (Bush tax cuts with no commensurate reduction in spending), no increases in taxes to cover wars/Medicare Part D.  PAY-GO for spending only - yeah, the deficits don't matter bushiates loved that, and Obama was urinating into the wind.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2006-03-16/pdf/CREC-2006-03-16-pt1 -P gS2236.pdf

Kind of like Newt & the Contract With America cabal arriving in DC and, within a year, the Gephardt (deemed to pass) solution to debt ceiling was nixed and the out-of-regular-order debt limit was being used as a hostage when it served their purpose (SOS, eh?).
 
2013-10-15 01:53:55 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."


Stay classy, GOP.
 
2013-10-15 01:54:01 PM

George Babbitt: TNel: George Babbitt: And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.

So let's use the Republicans plan for healthcare..... could you please let me know what that is because I am failing to find any plan other than Romney's "We have a plan but we won't tell you what it is until you take away the ACA"

You're doing it again.


Says the guy who thinks spending $900 per person per year on health insurance is too much money. You ain't the sharpest knife in the block.
 
2013-10-15 01:54:36 PM

Blues_X: [photos.imageevent.com image 400x380]


Well yeah, but who wouldn't if they could reach?
 
2013-10-15 01:56:04 PM

Rwa2play: Infernalist: Rwa2play: Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.

I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of making themselves "martyrs" to the TP cause.  I'd rather see them and the TP humiliated on a national stage next year when many of the incumbents/nominees that pledge themselves to the TP lose by a wide margin.

That's over a year away. And I can't imagine how much more damage these lunatics can do in that time.

Me neither; the fact that it'll be fresh in the voters' minds come next year is my lone comfort.  I'd opt for a very narrow (1 or 2 seat) GOP House majority and even those seats were won by 1% or less.

Then the ball's in the TPs court:  Continue down the road you've been going, then see Democrats nominate a candidate which will appeal to moderates, then see said Democratic Presidential candidate win with a significant margin, then see the ripple effect being Dems regain the House and retain the Senate.  Then see moderate Republicans join with Democrats and leave you out in the cold.

Then again, the TPers seem to have a Jim Jones-esque mentality, which is frightening to contemplate.


Unfortunately it's been seeming for years like that party split should be happening any day now. I worry that there's no logical limit to the derp.

The real problem is the reality bubble, and that so much of the country lives inside it. I could see us going full default, the bubble blames Obamacare for the ensuing depression, and TPers keep the House and state houses in 2014. Maybe they even win the Senate on the bubble-driven Obamacare backlash.
 
2013-10-15 01:56:05 PM

spidermilk: To be frank, I don't think the people who I want to change their minds on this are listening anymore. They gave half a crap last week and were busy saying ALL POLITICIANS ARE TERRIBLE and BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME! and this week they just don't care. Pretty much exactly what the house GOP was banking on when they came up with their self-destruction plan.


If you look at polling, Obama and the Democrats have taken little to no damage from this. In fact, Obama's approval rating seem to be going up. I'd imagine that's because people have wanted him to stand up to the GOP for a long time and he's finally doing it.

Also, I wouldn't say that Republicans were banking on a 26% approval rating from this. That seems unlikely. I've followed politics for 30+ years and this is the first time I've seen his much dislike directed towards the GOP. Hell, it wasn't this bad after Watergate or Iran/Contra or the 2008 economic collapse. This gives me hope that people are finally paying attention, but I also know that most Americans attention spans aren't that long. This incident though may force people to pay attention or else lose everything again. At least it gives me hope that America may be finally turning against the GOP.

Oh, and those people saying "both sides are bad" are just pissed off that the Party they support has gone off the deep end. Much like the Fark Independents that showed up after Bush failed. Just pissed off people who are Republicans but are too ashamed to admit it.
 
2013-10-15 01:58:11 PM

George Babbitt: TNel: George Babbitt: And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.

So let's use the Republicans plan for healthcare..... could you please let me know what that is because I am failing to find any plan other than Romney's "We have a plan but we won't tell you what it is until you take away the ACA"

You're doing it again.


Doing what?  What is the Republican plan for healthcare?  Healthcare costs so damn much because there is a large group of people that do not pay the bills so they have to jack up the price on others to offset that cost.  So you think we should cut out the middleman and have government run healthcare?  Do you think the government should have absolute oversight in health costs?  What exactly is your position?
 
2013-10-15 01:58:24 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: Rwa2play: Infernalist: Rwa2play: Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.

I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of making themselves "martyrs" to the TP cause.  I'd rather see them and the TP humiliated on a national stage next year when many of the incumbents/nominees that pledge themselves to the TP lose by a wide margin.

That's over a year away. And I can't imagine how much more damage these lunatics can do in that time.

Me neither; the fact that it'll be fresh in the voters' minds come next year is my lone comfort.  I'd opt for a very narrow (1 or 2 seat) GOP House majority and even those seats were won by 1% or less.

Then the ball's in the TPs court:  Continue down the road you've been going, then see Democrats nominate a candidate which will appeal to moderates, then see said Democratic Presidential candidate win with a significant margin, then see the ripple effect being Dems regain the House and retain the Senate.  Then see moderate Republicans join with Democrats and leave you out in the cold.

Then again, the TPers seem to have a Jim Jones-esque mentality, which is frightening to contemplate.

Unfortunately it's been seeming for years like that party split should be happening any day now. I worry that there's no logical limit to the derp.

The real problem is the reality bubble, and that so much of the country lives inside it. I could see us going full default, the bubble blames Obamacare for the ensuing depression, and TPers keep the House and state houses in 2014. Maybe they even win the Senate on the bubble-driven Obamacare backlash.


You overestimate their numbers greatly.  They're the 25% that voted for Bush twice and still see him as a good President.

The polls show that the GOP #s are in the dumps and that's not going to magically turn around if they push us into default.
 
2013-10-15 01:58:41 PM

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much

Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.

What the fark are you talking about? $450/month to cover 6 people isn't a lot of money. That's $900 per person for the entire year. ($450x12months=$5400/year; $5400/6 people=$900)


$450/month x 12 months = $5400 + the amount of money that is required to fully fund that plan, i.e. subsidies(where does that come from?)-->$5000 for a grand total of $10,400/year; $10,400/6 people = $1,733 per person/year.
 
2013-10-15 01:59:40 PM
knowmore.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-10-15 02:00:18 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."


Does that count as force?

Force need not be physical.
 
2013-10-15 02:00:57 PM

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much

Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.

What the fark are you talking about? $450/month to cover 6 people isn't a lot of money. That's $900 per person for the entire year. ($450x12months=$5400/year; $5400/6 people=$900)


Depends.   Is it 900$ per person no matter if they get sick or not?  Is the deductable 8000?  Some people might not think that paying 5400 dollars, just for the privilege of paying for the next 8000 dollars before benefits kick in, to be a a great deal.   I guess if you routinely have 15,000 of medical expenses, it might be good.
 
2013-10-15 02:01:21 PM

namegoeshere: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."

Does that count as force?

Force need not be physical.


by a strict reading, yes, it does.
 
2013-10-15 02:01:41 PM

TNel: Doing what?


You're being bandied back and forth between insurance company and government. You currently are thinking the government will fix this. Some think the insurance will fix this. Why isn't anybody addressing the fact that the healthcare industry is the crook here? And we are kept distracted thinking that the way to fix this is throw money at the healthcare industry, only disagreeing on who should pay for it.
 
2013-10-15 02:02:43 PM

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much

Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.

What the fark are you talking about? $450/month to cover 6 people isn't a lot of money. That's $900 per person for the entire year. ($450x12months=$5400/year; $5400/6 people=$900)

$450/month x 12 months = $5400 + the amount of money that is required to fully fund that plan, i.e. subsidies(where does that come from?)-->$5000 for a grand total of $10,400/year; $10,400/6 people = $1,733 per person/year.


Still cheap. Very, very cheap.
 
2013-10-15 02:04:44 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Infernalist: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."

That seems like that would push beyond the limits of acceptability and into 'sedition' territory.

Can you imagine this:  Obama goes for god-mode trolling and stands on the Capitol steps while Federal Marshals lead the House GOP leadership away in handcuffs.

The sheer multitude of exploding heads would silence talk radio forever, lulz.


Nah, God mode trolling would involve using the Constitution to pass everything while Congress is away...and it's all legal.

The TP would b*tch, the Republicans would b*tch, but it would be along the lines of Obama trolling Trump at the WHCD.
 
2013-10-15 02:04:52 PM

namegoeshere: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."

Does that count as force?

Force need not be physical.


Depends on how the SC would view things.  I don't see Obama moving to charge them without touching base with Roberts and the other Supreme Court members to make sure it's a legit strategy.
 
2013-10-15 02:05:27 PM

KellyX: obenchainr: KellyX: meat0918: darlid01: For my family of four, the cost will remain exactly the same since we get it through work. However, if I was to be working somewhere that didn't have benefits, it would cost $124/month for a family of four. Why? Because I live in MN where we were smart about it and MNCare is awesome.

I still haven't been told what our benefits are changing to, only that they have changed and are compliant with the ACA and at the bronze level.

The average bronze level plan in Oregon is less than what I am paying now though...

Deductibles are pretty high though... Here in FL I qualified for $99 credit, bringing a Bronze to $67 a month, but with a $6500 deductible... *sigh*

If you qualify for a premium subsidy, you also likely qualify for cost-sharing subsidies (which the calculators don't take into account).  That will lower your per-visit costs and such.

Where do you find that? The healthcare.gov site didn't seem to mention that.

I put in my last year tax numbers too, but I recently took a voluntarily pay cut for the last 2 months now, so I might qualify for better tax credit, but I don't know how to update that.

Thinking I might need to talk to one of the exchange people soon (if Rick Scott lets us)


https://www.healthcare.gov/will-i-qualify-to-save-on-out-of-pocket-c os ts/

I think they only qualify for the Silver plans, but the result is that you end up getting the cost-share equivalent of the gold or platinum plans.

You'll definitely have to speak to someone for the details, though; I can't find any calculator anywhere that includes the cost-sharing subsidies.  They're real and mentioned a lot of places, though.
 
2013-10-15 02:07:26 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And now they want to skip out of town:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-pas si ng-bill-then-leaving-town

"According to , House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) are discussing "voting on their bill and, if it passes, leaving town - a bid to try to force the Senate's hand."


The state Democrats in Wisconsin tried this a few years back as an attempt to stop Scott Walker's shenanigans. Ask them how it worked out.
 
2013-10-15 02:07:49 PM

TNel: What is the Republican plan for healthcare?


PPACA. It did come from the Heritage Foundation, after all.

The core of it (community rating + mandate + subsidies) is the only way less socialist than single-payer that gets people with pre-existing conditions covered. (Currently the only way for them to get covered is to use employer-sponsored insurance, which requires by fiat the coverage of pre-existing conditions).

TNel: So you think we should cut out the middleman and have government run healthcare?  Do you think the government should have absolute oversight in health costs?


That's not directed at me but I'll jump in and say yes.

Price controls are the only way to keep health care costs down. In other industries, price controls don't work, we're better off using free-market competition. But health care has every market failure in the book working against it.

The price controls can be payment-based (US PPOs, US Medicaid, Canada), pure fiat (like Singapore), or internalized (like UK NHS).
 
2013-10-15 02:08:02 PM

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Thinks $450 to insure a family of 6 is too much

Just because you've all been duped into thinking that healthcare needs to cost a lot of money and all we have to do is figure out how to come up with lots of money is the bigger problem here. And by we, I mean you, me and the all the other people that add to that pile of money to make it affordable, for as we know, healthcare is not affordable, because if it was, we wouldn't need the Affordable Care Act. We're being bandied back and forth between the insurance companies and the government while the healthcare industry rakes it in.

What the fark are you talking about? $450/month to cover 6 people isn't a lot of money. That's $900 per person for the entire year. ($450x12months=$5400/year; $5400/6 people=$900)

$450/month x 12 months = $5400 + the amount of money that is required to fully fund that plan, i.e. subsidies(where does that come from?)-->$5000 for a grand total of $10,400/year; $10,400/6 people = $1,733 per person/year.

Still cheap. Very, very cheap.


Not if you figure in the very fine point made about the fact that you still ~$5000 of deductible/person to contend with each year.
 
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