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(Talking Points Memo)   Senate GOP: Simmer down, we found a way out of this mess. House GOP: Well, then we'll just issue another counter offer with attacks on Obamacare then. HA   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 644
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2013-10-15 12:24:01 PM

JolobinSmokin: actually everything you just said makes it exactly that because those were our two options and you chose the Obamacare option. Just admit it to yourself and you'll be happier in the long run.


Or I'll continue to support the candidates that are the best options on my issues, regardless of whatever meaningless drivvel you want to tack on?
 
2013-10-15 12:24:02 PM
George Babbitt:, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?

Why wouldn't you take advantage of a government program?
 
2013-10-15 12:24:50 PM

DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.



Kaili Joy Gray @KailiJoy
Counter-offer: Re-open the government and Dems will remove free DIY abortion app from the Obamaphone.
 
2013-10-15 12:25:17 PM
Staying up all night and working on an Early English Lit take home exam and then reading all the shenanigans currently occurring in DC...

Not a fun mix. I keep waiting for Beowulf to come sailing in to clear out the terror from the great mead hall of Congress.

/Sleep
//Lacking it
///Shazbot!
 
2013-10-15 12:25:18 PM

Soup4Bonnie: DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.

This is why I didn't understand you last night when you said a clean cr/debt limit agreement had the votes to pass the House.  They're crazy.  They want something for their tantrum.  They are going to take us with them and even if they don't I think Cruz or some other fool like him will do it in the Senate.

I'm not in a panic, but I think we're farked.


It has the votes - it still does. Boehner just won't bring it to the floor. This has never been about whether there are enough votes to pass the thing. It's all about whether or not Boehner will bring it to the floor. I still think he will, and he'll abandon the TP caucus, but not until the last minute.
 
2013-10-15 12:25:39 PM

Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.


Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.
 
2013-10-15 12:26:13 PM
For my family of four, the cost will remain exactly the same since we get it through work. However, if I was to be working somewhere that didn't have benefits, it would cost $124/month for a family of four. Why? Because I live in MN where we were smart about it and MNCare is awesome.
 
2013-10-15 12:26:28 PM

kidgenius: Due to my particular taxing scenario, there shouldn't be an issue there ;)


Yeah, it's literally the difference for me. The subsidies are basically to help make up the difference for out of pocket vs pre-tax for lower income people. I make just a bit too much even though my wife doesn't work. My total tax liability would outweigh my coverage savings by ~10%. Making it not worth it since my employer's coverage is adequate. I could get a little bit better coverage at slightly less per month, but the tax liability kills it.
 
2013-10-15 12:26:30 PM
Reading this made me realize just how good my health benefits are.  Honestly I am one of those people that benefit more under the current system than ACA.  However, by not being a sociopath, I realize that ACA is better for society as a whole than the current system.
 
2013-10-15 12:26:32 PM

DamnYankees: Soup4Bonnie: DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.

This is why I didn't understand you last night when you said a clean cr/debt limit agreement had the votes to pass the House.  They're crazy.  They want something for their tantrum.  They are going to take us with them and even if they don't I think Cruz or some other fool like him will do it in the Senate.

I'm not in a panic, but I think we're farked.

It has the votes - it still does. Boehner just won't bring it to the floor. This has never been about whether there are enough votes to pass the thing. It's all about whether or not Boehner will bring it to the floor. I still think he will, and he'll abandon the TP caucus, but not until the last minute.


Is he really that in love with the Speaker's position that he's willing to shiat on whatever's left of his dignity in order to hold onto it for an additional 36 hours?
 
2013-10-15 12:26:48 PM

kidgenius: George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?

Who says medicaid isn't taking personal responsibility? If you qualify for medicaid, use it. Nothing wrong with being on "the public dole". It's what the rest of us pay taxes for....it allows us to live in a civilized society.

You're coming off as disingenuous. With 4 kids, you're probably making enough to qualify for some serious subsidies (and/or medicaid). What kind of household income are you averaging?


Think you guys missed the part where he said: "have a great-grandfathered plan with mobile carrier going back 25 years and it's cheaper than any contract you've ever heard of,"

If you had a mobile back in 1988, you were probably doing pretty damn well.    And quite frankly, I've heard of $35/mo plans (via Virgin Mobile).  How much cheaper is your 1988 grandfathered plan?

In addition, he/she states " and we never eat out as we abstain from all artificial food additives ".I seriously doubt that he/she can't afford health care cause they're providing natural wholefoods/organics for the entire brood.


Ya'll are getting trolled by an anti-Obamacare advocate with a weak backstory and poor mastery of math.
 
2013-10-15 12:27:10 PM

Infernalist: bluorangefyre: Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?

Sedition fits.  Treason doesn't.

The only thing missing from the 'sedition' charges is that Sedition requires that the accused to have used 'force' to keep legislated law from being put into effect.


Force in this kind of case in not exclusively physical.
 
2013-10-15 12:27:16 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.


Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.
 
2013-10-15 12:27:39 PM

Infernalist: Is he really that in love with the Speaker's position that he's willing to shiat on whatever's left of his dignity in order to hold onto it for an additional 36 hours?


Yes.
 
2013-10-15 12:27:45 PM

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Also, the cost of a bronze plan is capped at 8% of your yearly income. If the costs come in higher than that, you're allowed to just buy catastrophic coverage.

"Affordability exemption: An individual is exempt from the individual mandate for any month for which the individual does not have access to affordable MEC. For this purpose, an individual is considered to not have access to affordable coverage for a month if the individual's required contribution (determined on an annual basis) for coverage for the month exceeds 8% of the taxpayer's household income for the tax year."

But don't let that assuage your derp. You stated above that it would cost $450 for your family. You've got 4 kids and a wife. $450 a month for coverage is AWESOME. shiat, we were spending $780/month for two non-smoking adults just last year. I'd LOVE to spend only $450!
 
2013-10-15 12:28:31 PM

Heliovdrake: Infernalist: bluorangefyre: Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?

Sedition fits.  Treason doesn't.

The only thing missing from the 'sedition' charges is that Sedition requires that the accused to have used 'force' to keep legislated law from being put into effect.

Force in this kind of case in not exclusively physical.


That would be a SC call.
 
2013-10-15 12:29:36 PM

Bloody William: Infernalist: Is he really that in love with the Speaker's position that he's willing to shiat on whatever's left of his dignity in order to hold onto it for an additional 36 hours?

Yes.


The man will be remembered by history along side men such as Joe McCarthy.
 
2013-10-15 12:29:44 PM

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


You don't live hand to mouth yet you opened this conversation up with the statement that you can't afford $175 a month for insurance. You're either really dumb or full of shiat.
 
2013-10-15 12:29:49 PM
Meet John Boehner's new problem. Same as his old problem

Those facts repeatedly leave Boehner with only two choices: 1) Propose legislation favored by the most conservative wing of the party, ensuring unity in his ranks but dooming the bill in the Senate or 2) Accept that a compromise bill will have to pass with a majority of Democratic votes and the very real possibility of a minority of Republicans ones. The first option means we could be headed for default. The second means that Boehner's speakership would effectively be over.
Rock, meet hard place.

[He] would see the realm burn if he could be king of the ashes...
 
2013-10-15 12:30:10 PM

VoodooTaco: If you had a mobile back in 1988, you were probably doing pretty damn well. And quite frankly, I've heard of $35/mo plans (via Virgin Mobile). How much cheaper is your 1988 grandfathered plan?

In addition, he/she states " and we never eat out as we abstain from all artificial food additives ".I seriously doubt that he/she can't afford health care cause they're providing natural wholefoods/organics for the entire brood.


We had things called 'pagers' back then which provides for the longstanding relationship with the company. And eating wholesome food that is unadulterated does not have to cost a lot of money if you don't go to Whole Foods and Trader Joes, and merely buy whole(un-processed)foods and make everything from scratch.
 
2013-10-15 12:30:20 PM

Infernalist: The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.

Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.


Oregon is a bit different. Liberals are primarily the creamy center.
 
2013-10-15 12:30:26 PM

Prophet of Loss: you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?


We do have a centrist party. You may have heard of them, they call themselves The Democrats.
 
2013-10-15 12:30:42 PM

Heliovdrake: Infernalist: bluorangefyre: Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?

Sedition fits.  Treason doesn't.

The only thing missing from the 'sedition' charges is that Sedition requires that the accused to have used 'force' to keep legislated law from being put into effect.

Force in this kind of case in not exclusively physical.


img.fark.net
 
2013-10-15 12:31:03 PM

Infernalist: The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.

Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.


That, and you basically want to get as close to metro areas like Seattle and Olympia as possible. There are a lot of little backwoods towns around here that I'm sure go red.
 
2013-10-15 12:31:25 PM

Infernalist: The My Little Pony Killer: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Just stick to the west side of the state, the east side is still all red.

Now, this I've heard a lot.  The closer you get to the water, the more liberal it gets.


I've got a scary TP friend living in the Tri-Cities area. Apparently it's pretty derpy out there.
Also something about toxic waste...
 
2013-10-15 12:31:45 PM

darlid01: For my family of four, the cost will remain exactly the same since we get it through work. However, if I was to be working somewhere that didn't have benefits, it would cost $124/month for a family of four. Why? Because I live in MN where we were smart about it and MNCare is awesome.


I still haven't been told what our benefits are changing to, only that they have changed and are compliant with the ACA and at the bronze level.

The average bronze level plan in Oregon is less than what I am paying now though...
 
2013-10-15 12:31:53 PM

Detinwolf: Reading this made me realize just how good my health benefits are.  Honestly I am one of those people that benefit more under the current system than ACA.  However, by not being a sociopath, I realize that ACA is better for society as a whole than the current system.


Same here, my insurance is going to change for the worse by a little but if it helps everyone then so be it.
 
2013-10-15 12:32:12 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Prophet of Loss: you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?

We do have a centrist party. You may have heard of them, they call themselves The Democrats.


I want to put a farking brick through the Overton window.
 
2013-10-15 12:32:17 PM

Kit Fister: JolobinSmokin: actually everything you just said makes it exactly that because those were our two options and you chose the Obamacare option. Just admit it to yourself and you'll be happier in the long run.

Or I'll continue to support the candidates that are the best options on my issues, regardless of whatever meaningless drivvel you want to tack on?


which is exactly what I said and you keep denying it.
 
2013-10-15 12:32:50 PM

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

You don't live hand to mouth yet you opened this conversation up with the statement that you can't afford $175 a month for insurance. You're either really dumb or full of shiat.


Yes, but what that buys is crap compared to the coverage we have now.
 
2013-10-15 12:33:29 PM

meat0918: darlid01: For my family of four, the cost will remain exactly the same since we get it through work. However, if I was to be working somewhere that didn't have benefits, it would cost $124/month for a family of four. Why? Because I live in MN where we were smart about it and MNCare is awesome.

I still haven't been told what our benefits are changing to, only that they have changed and are compliant with the ACA and at the bronze level.

The average bronze level plan in Oregon is less than what I am paying now though...


Deductibles are pretty high though... Here in FL I qualified for $99 credit, bringing a Bronze to $67 a month, but with a $6500 deductible... *sigh*
 
2013-10-15 12:34:10 PM
I put the bad-math troll on ignore and Seventy Seven posts vanished from this thread.

wtf, people.
 
2013-10-15 12:34:30 PM
Here's how the Senate proposal shapes up:

Republicans get: Income verification
Democrats Get: Delay of reinsurance fee

Here's the new House GOP plan:

Republicans get:

Income verification
Two-year delay of medical device tax
Version of Vitter Amendment
Ban on extraordinary measures

Democrats Get:

House Republicans are still demanding concessions in return for funding the government and not defaulting. It's the same hostage-taking tactics they've been using all along. Boehner and Co. have reduced their ransom demands significantly, which is why there is a lot of optimism that a deal will eventually get done, but it's still ransom. That's why the White House and Senate Democrats are vehemently against this plan.

Link
 
2013-10-15 12:35:32 PM

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.
 
2013-10-15 12:35:33 PM

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

You don't live hand to mouth yet you opened this conversation up with the statement that you can't afford $175 a month for insurance. You're either really dumb or full of shiat.

Yes, but what that buys is crap compared to the coverage we have now.


Yes, but  YOU HAVE IT NOW. You can keep it. You're keeping that coverage. Imagine not having any at all and finding a $175/month plan for your family, even if the deductibles and copay sucks. It's better than nothing, and that's what the ACA is making companies offer.
 
2013-10-15 12:36:22 PM

George Babbitt: DarnoKonrad: George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?

That's embarrassing.


This is the matter of fact situation for millions of Americans. The fact that so many conservatives want to perpetuate this terrible state of affairs is what I find embarrassing.

Married, no kids, non-smokers in Durham, NC. Top level Platinum coverage for $750 a month with no subsidy or discount figured in. One year ago we were paying over $1000 for insultingly terrible COBRA coverage.
 
2013-10-15 12:36:42 PM

NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.


I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.
 
2013-10-15 12:36:50 PM

darlid01: For my family of four, the cost will remain exactly the same since we get it through work. However, if I was to be working somewhere that didn't have benefits, it would cost $124/month for a family of four. Why? Because I live in MN where we were smart about it and MNCare is awesome.


Best coverage I could get in Canada minus vision and dental was $90/mo/person. Huh.

Almost all of us (5 adults, now in Los Angeles) qualify for Medicaid, but I'm a little skeptical about what that means practically. My last encounter with social services did not end well. However, we have gotten some good news and may triple (or better) the household income, which includes the possibility of two of us getting employer provided healthcare. Cool part is Fark is at least partially responsible for some of that.

/hate AWing, but sometimes it's worth the accusation
 
2013-10-15 12:37:08 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: It's the same hostage-taking tactics they've been using all along. Boehner and Co. have reduced their ransom demands significantly, which is why there is a lot of optimism that a deal will eventually get done, but it's still ransom.


What compromise means for the (R) republickers:

"OK, we agree not to kill your whole family.
We'll only kill your wife and pets.
How's that for a compromise?"
 
2013-10-15 12:38:38 PM

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

You don't live hand to mouth yet you opened this conversation up with the statement that you can't afford $175 a month for insurance. You're either really dumb or full of shiat.

Yes, but what that buys is crap compared to the coverage we have now.


But that isn't what you said. What you said was:

George Babbitt: I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

So you CAN afford it, and you have insurance through your employer, so you don't even need to buy insurance on your own. So you're just totally full of shiat.

Meanwhile, folks like me who DID need to buy our own insurance last year would have definitely benefited from these exchanges. As I said upthread, we would have saved $500 each month and not had to have moved into a smaller apartment.
 
2013-10-15 12:39:17 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Version of Vitter Amendment


There's twitter talk about Boehner now putting up the Congressional Staffers and not just limiting this to POTUS and Congress in order to get more House votes.

And there's also some nonsense/non-starters regarding contraception restrictions for health providers.

If it passes the House, it's going nowhere.
 
2013-10-15 12:39:56 PM

Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013

We're literally 48 hours away from Mad Max times.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP needs to be brought up on official criminal charges of Sedition.


You mean these people, plus the republicker leadership:

Who are the Tea Jihadis and where do they live?

Here's an article with a map:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/09/meadows-boehne r- defund-obamacare-suicide-caucus-geography.html

And here's a link to the ransom letter they wrote to Boner:
http://meadows.house.gov/uploads/Meadows_DefundLetter.pdf

It has all of their signatures on it, but many are illegible, so I used the map in the article and referenced it against each state's congressional district map for the 113th Congress and came up with that list of states and districts.

The ransom letter signers, broken down by state, district, and name.
These people want to burn down the government rather than allow people to have health insurance:

AL: 5 - Brooks
AR: 1, 2 - Crawford , Griffin
AZ: 4, 5, 6, 8 - Gosar, Salmon, Schweikert, Franks
CA: 1, 4, 8 - LaMalfa, McClintock, Cook
CO: 5 - Lamborn

FLA: 3, 6, 8, 12 - Yoho, DeSantis, Posey, Billirakis
GA: 1, 9, 10, 11 - Kingston, Collins, Broun Jr., Gingrey
IA: 4 - King
ID: 1 - Labrador
IL: 13, 14, 18 - Davis, Hultgren, Schock

IN: 2, 3, 4, 6 - Walorski, Stutzman, Rokita, Messer
KS: 1, 4 - Huelskamp, Pompeo
KY: 4, 6 - Massie, Barr
LA: 1, 4, 6 - Scalise, Boustany Jr., Cassidy
OH: 1, 2, 4 - Chabot, Wenstrup, Jordan

OK: 1 - Bridenstine
MS: 4 - Palazzo
MN: 6 - Bachmann
MI: 1, 2, 3, 7, 8 - Benishek, Huizenga, Amash, Walberg, Rogers
MT: 1 - Daines

MO: 6, 8 - Graves, Smith
NC: 3, 5, 6, 11, 13 - Jones Jr., Foxx, Coble, Meadows, Holding
NM: 2 - Pearce
PA: 4, 10, 12, 14 - Perry, Marino, Rothfus, Doyle
SC: 2, 3, 5 - Wilson, Duncan, Mulvaney

TN: 1, 2, 3, 6 - Roe, Duncan Jr., Fleishmann, Black
TX:  1, 4, 6, 11, 14, 17, 19, 27, 36 - Gohmert Jr., Hall, Barton, Conaway, Weber, Flores, Neugebauer, Farenthold, Stockman
UT: 1 - Bishop
WI: 5 - Sensenbrenner
WY: 1 - Lummis

 Ta-da.
 
2013-10-15 12:40:45 PM

Soup4Bonnie: If it passes the House, it's going nowhere.


Well at least they have plenty of time to sort this all out!
 
2013-10-15 12:41:07 PM
Just keep working at it, House GOP.

planetpov.com
 
2013-10-15 12:41:09 PM

trickymoo: happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

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Maybe when the ceiling was raised to pay for cruise missiles, he opposed it.

Maybe when the ceiling is going to be raised to pay for the Affordable Care Act, he supports it.

Man, its farking WILD! to think that a politician can have different opinions on varying items when posed in drastically different contexts.

/Pleaserolleveryclipofeverypoliticianever.
//OF ALL TIME.


I missed that when it happened. Must have been out of the country or something.

Was Obongo doing it to force Bush to repeal No Child Left Behind or something? Did he shut down the government over it, yet keep changing his demands every time Bush tried to fix it? Did he threaten to impeach Bush because Bush supported that evil, job-killing No Child Left Behind program?

I just don't remember. Little help?
 
2013-10-15 12:41:46 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Well at least they have plenty of time to sort this all out!


I'm trying to limit my drinking these days.  You're not helping.  :P
 
2013-10-15 12:42:02 PM

Pangea: George Babbitt: DarnoKonrad: George Babbitt: Considering how little the Bronze covers, I can't imagine what the minimum coverage manages...

Bronze is  better coverage than my employer offers.  What are you whining about?

That's embarrassing.

This is the matter of fact situation for millions of Americans. The fact that so many conservatives want to perpetuate this terrible state of affairs is what I find embarrassing.

Married, no kids, non-smokers in Durham, NC. Top level Platinum coverage for $750 a month with no subsidy or discount figured in. One year ago we were paying over $1000 for insultingly terrible COBRA coverage.


Agreed. We were forking over $1200/month for COBRA, and then $780/month for insurance for two non-smokers. And if we'd been able to buy on the WA exchange last year, we'd have only spent $350 for better coverage. Well, not better than the COBRA. But the most expensive Gold plan was still less than $1000, which is less than the $1200 we were paying for COBRA. So no matter what, we'd have saved at least $200 just by using the exchange. Things are a little different now because our income is higher and we no longer qualify for subsidies. However, the exchange is still cheaper than the $1200 for COBRA.
 
2013-10-15 12:42:05 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Yes, the collapes of the national economy and government, which is what the teahats wanted. That was their only goal of getting into office; take it down from the inside.

They have this dream that its still 1830, and that includes using muskets go to into the woods to hunt your dinner every night and forming a posse to dispense frontier justice when they think they've been done wrong.
 
2013-10-15 12:42:30 PM
It's funny that the harbringer of the eventual destruction of the United States appears to be itself.
 
2013-10-15 12:42:56 PM

d23: SpectroBoy: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)

Food inspection.
Mass emergency management and recovery
Centralizing issues of health safety. (CDC, NIH)
Coordinating communications resources (the hated FCC)
Lists of other things that don't make a profit but HAVE to be done.

None of that is roses either, all of it is a mess in practice... but it has to be done.


Yeah, but besides all that, what have the Romans ever done for us?
 
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