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2013-10-15 12:10:04 PM

KellyX: generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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Latinos will just flock to Marco Rubio!

/in the words of my Hispanic wife, "pinche Marco Rubio cabron."
 
2013-10-15 12:10:13 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

Seattle is really liberal. The rest of the state, really conservative. The weather here is shiat. The traffic is awful. It's also hella expensive, and I've lived in both San Diego and the DC area, so when I say it's hella expensive, I know what I'm talking about.

But it's nice living in a state with legalized gay marriage and recreational marijuana use (not that I am involved in either activity). Also, the city of Seattle is pretty progressive. Last year they enacted a law that required all employers within Seattle city limits to provide paid sick time for their contract workers. Yes, this directly affected us. The downside is Seattle PD is pretty aggressive and corrupt. My brother once had his car towed, along with every other car in that same parking lot. They'd parked to go to a thing downtown, and four hours later every car in the parking lot was towed and there were signs up that said, "24-HOUR NOTICE: NO PARKING IN THIS LOCATION STARTING [that day's date]" but of course there was no 24-hour notice. They'd just put up the signs and towed every ...


I found the Peninsula region to be very liberal, aside from Sequim.  Retirement town for old folk.
 
2013-10-15 12:10:37 PM

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.


So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?
 
2013-10-15 12:10:49 PM

nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.


I was told by somebody who was violently against this that they didn't want me to go without health insurance, but they also refused to offer any better solution.
 
2013-10-15 12:11:51 PM

Peki: Serious Black: Zasteva: Serious Black: Section 1: If, by April 1st, Congress has not approved a common budget between the two chambers, it shall be a privileged motion to call for a vote on any budget resolution that has the support of ten percent of the chamber.

Section 2: If, by October 1st, Congress has not approved and the President has not signed into law all common appropriations bills, all previous appropriations shall be continued, and the Supreme Court shall call an election for all federally elected officials to be held on the first Tuesday of December.

Section 3: Consistent with the intent of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, Congress shall not have the power to limit the borrowing authority of the federal government.

I like it!!

The big concern would be that in this case, the House would refuse to compromise, to force another chance to unseat Obama. I think you would have to add that all sitting members of the House would be ineligible to run again, or possibly all Federal elected officials permanently ineligible for any future elected office.

I can see that possibility happening as well, but then it comes down to a prediction of whether they (or whoever runs in their stead) can win the impending election. Right now, would you bet on the Tea Party being able to usurp Obama or even keep their own seats if they were able to run for re-election? I wouldn't; Obama's approval has dropped something like three points since the start of the shutdown while Republicans in Congress have dropped almost a dozen. If elections were held today, I suspect the Democrats would take the majority in the House by a slim margin.

That said, I'd be okay with a permanent ban on elected officials involved seeking any federal office if it got more people on board with the proposal.

Wish there was a germane way to tack insider trading onto that. You can't tell me this is just coincidence, considering that Congress gutted that law not too long ago.


I'm not sure I would tack it on there since the point is to make the budget funding processes work better, but yes, insider trading is a huge problem. I know it might be sacrilege to say so, but I loved Sean Duffy's proposal to force Congressmen into choosing between a blind trust for all financial assets or immediate reporting of any trades including stocks, bonds, mutual funds, shorts, futures, etc.
 
2013-10-15 12:11:54 PM

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

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And, like an adult, he has since said his vote was wrong and naive.

What's your side's excuse?
 
2013-10-15 12:12:14 PM

George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?

Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.

So based on that, you're probably making about $27K a year based on all the data. That's just your income. If your wife doesn't work, your subsidy sky-rockets and you'll only pay about $125 a month for insurance for two. That's an amazing deal and should be feasible. That's a cable-bill (which you said you don't have of course). If she makes any money, than the subsidy will drop, but your rate should still be highly affordable with two incomes.

The $175 was a personal rate, not a family rate...read all the posts.


That was for a single rate for 1 person, aged 30, non-smoker.

Go here:
http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

Fill out the info and get back to us. How much is your subsidized rate for your family of 6?
 
2013-10-15 12:12:18 PM

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


What was so good about the old system, and/or what do you suggest we do in ACA's place?

/no new ideas, no care about your complaints
 
2013-10-15 12:12:26 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: KellyX: generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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Latinos will just flock to Marco Rubio!

/in the words of my Hispanic wife, "pinche Marco Rubio cabron."


Putting those exact words into freetranslation.com brings up: Click Framework Blond asshole.

That made me lol.
 
2013-10-15 12:12:49 PM

George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?

Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.

So based on that, you're probably making about $27K a year based on all the data. That's just your income. If your wife doesn't work, your subsidy sky-rockets and you'll only pay about $125 a month for insurance for two. That's an amazing deal and should be feasible. That's a cable-bill (which you said you don't have of course). If she makes any money, than the subsidy will drop, but your rate should still be highly affordable with two incomes.

The $175 was a personal rate, not a family rate...read all the posts.


If you didn't tell the system that you have a wife and 4 kids, it won't know to give you extra subsidies. Also, maybe you should push your legislature to expand the Medicaid coverage? I see that Kasich is trying to make that happen but is getting resistance from the GOPs in your legislature.

Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.
 
2013-10-15 12:12:51 PM

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Medicare is cheaper than private insurance and every senior i've ever met has been so glad when they hit medicare age they've burned their private insurance cards.

There are many more, your just to stupid to look them up.
 
2013-10-15 12:12:53 PM

QueenMamaBee: What part of my user name led you to believe I'm a "he"?


I'm sorry, it's merely a generic placeholder noun, as using they so not to offend is impersonal.
 
2013-10-15 12:13:13 PM

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.

Healthcare is mostly overpriced to cover the cost of the uninsured getting healthcare and not being able to pay for it.

Obamacare will fix that.


it should help yes. because as it is we have a system that allows people to get emergency care (the most expensive) and dump it on the taxpayer and they pay nothing. the state covers it. the hospitals eat some of the cost. the people paying insurance premiums eat some of the cost. etc. now at least they're mandated to have some skin in the game.
 
2013-10-15 12:13:14 PM

QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.

What part of my user name led you to believe I'm a "he"?

/and my healthcare coverage sucks. I pay $140 out of pocket per month for very crappy coverage and a $5K deductible.


Hey guy, we don't need your anecdotes
 
2013-10-15 12:13:21 PM
New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.
 
2013-10-15 12:13:25 PM

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


For the same coverage?

Or are you purposely ATTEMPTING to mislead people?
 
2013-10-15 12:13:32 PM

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


No, it's "if you're in need of assistance to pay for your health insurance because you've got four kids, you probably qualify for the federal healthcare option, and you should probably take it since you already pay taxes and all."
 
2013-10-15 12:14:02 PM

Coco LaFemme: My boyfriend and I live in North Carolina; I'm originally from Illinois, he's from Manhattan.  If the finances allowed us to move back to one of those locations, we'd have done it a while ago.  Sure, not having two feet of snow and ice in the winter is nice, but I'll gladly take it back if it means I don't have to deal with these morons anymore.


I hated the cold and snow when I lived in Germany. Couldn't wait to get back somewhere sunny.
After a few months of living back here in the nice sunny derp, I realized that the weather should be the least of my concerns.
 
2013-10-15 12:14:10 PM

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Signing up for Medicaid is more responsible than not buying insurance at all.
 
2013-10-15 12:14:30 PM

justtray: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.

What part of my user name led you to believe I'm a "he"?

/and my healthcare coverage sucks. I pay $140 out of pocket per month for very crappy coverage and a $5K deductible.

Hey guy, we don't need your anecdotes


You made me lol :)
 
2013-10-15 12:14:36 PM

QueenMamaBee: Smeggy Smurf: They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.

I would vote for death panels if only they applied to members of Congress.


There's the compromise everybody has been looking for.  DEATH PANELS FOR CONGRESS!
 
2013-10-15 12:14:36 PM

George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Who says medicaid isn't taking personal responsibility? If you qualify for medicaid, use it. Nothing wrong with being on "the public dole". It's what the rest of us pay taxes for....it allows us to live in a civilized society.

You're coming off as disingenuous. With 4 kids, you're probably making enough to qualify for some serious subsidies (and/or medicaid). What kind of household income are you averaging?
 
2013-10-15 12:14:48 PM

Kit Fister: Heliovdrake: The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.YOU GET NOTHING.ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!YOU LOSE!GOOD DAY SIR.

You do realize that assuming that by voting against Romney and for Obama, that's just a statement of "fark romney", and not necessarily a referendum on ACA or anything, right? I voted for Obama because i hated romney. I also hate the ACA because it's a garbage law that doesn't do much to help the situation other than add in new taxes and force insurance companies to take on more people/risk.

So, while the alternative to the ACA is shiattier, if I had my druthers, the ACA would be replaced with comprehensive regulation and price controls for life-saving equipment, medicine, and most care, a basic national plan which private insurers can supplement to add benefit (better coverage for more stuff than the national plan, etc.), and continue to make costs of insurance tax deductible.

Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.


actually everything you just said makes it exactly that because those were our two options and you chose the Obamacare option.  Just admit it to yourself and you'll be happier in the long run.
 
2013-10-15 12:15:00 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: KellyX: generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

[i.imgur.com image 402x358]

Latinos will just flock to Marco Rubio!

/in the words of my Hispanic wife, "pinche Marco Rubio cabron."


www.maniacworld.com

Tell your wife she rocks! GOP puede comer una polla!
 
2013-10-15 12:15:13 PM

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


Mine dropped around 17% this year due to ACA.  Thanks a lot, Obama.
 
2013-10-15 12:15:27 PM

DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.


This is like Political Mad Libs.

"Sir, we refuse to Lift The Debt Ceiling unless we get  A contraception ban!"
 
2013-10-15 12:15:49 PM

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Moving the goalposts.

I can't afford healthcare

Why? $x isn't a bad rate.

I can't afford that.

If you REALLY can't afford it you will get subsidies.

Well that's the individual plan, I need the family plan.

So spend less.

I can't, I have four kids.

Then if you can't afford $x or $x+4 kids, then you qualify for medicaid probably.

YOU WANT ME ON THE PUBLIC ROLLS???? HOW OUTRAGEOUS.


Seriously, you need to stfu and gtfo you goal post moving disengenuous troll.
 
2013-10-15 12:16:39 PM

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


and for you it's "I can't afford it" "I pay too much for crappy coverage just on myself and my kids and wife aren't covered" but when it's pointed out that you and your family would probably qualify for medicaid it's "I don't want to be on the public dole I'd rather my kids be sick or go bankrupt!"
 
2013-10-15 12:17:12 PM

SpectroBoy: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)


Dont ya just love it how he asked for examples and then immediately said there are none?
 
2013-10-15 12:17:52 PM

George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


You're supposed to take personal responsibility for keeping your family safe and healthy, not for feeding your own pride.
 
2013-10-15 12:18:10 PM

DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.


the dems should ask for single payer medicare for all and tell them they'll give up Obamacare lol.
 
2013-10-15 12:18:22 PM

George Babbitt: Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.

With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.

So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?


Here is better advice. You sound poor. Don't be poor. Got it?
If $175/mo is alot for heath insurance, just admit you are a failure and poor. get some bootstraps and come join us at the top.
 
2013-10-15 12:18:36 PM

Coco LaFemme: I'm slowly reaching the point where, if every House GOP member was beaten about the head and face with snow chains, I'd give less than a fark about it.  I think there are a lot of retards in D.C., and that sucks for us as a country because these assholes are supposed to be our leaders, but the GOP has taken "retarded" to new, dangerous low.  I'm sick of every last one of them.


This.
Beaten with two-by-fours that have been wrapped with razor wire would work for me.
Particularly Boner, Cantor, and Cruz.

Fed into wood chippers on live television, perhaps.
 
2013-10-15 12:18:47 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.


We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).
 
2013-10-15 12:19:04 PM

kidgenius: Got onto the federal exchange and looked around the plans. I qualify for no subsidies (make too much). The two plans I'm looking for will either drop my kids deductibles from $5k to either A) $2k, or B)zero dollars. Co-pays will go from $25 to either A) $30 or B) $40. My wife's deductible will go from $1K to whatever will be the kids plan. I now will be able to get individual insurance that includes maternity coverage, so I don't have to have my wife on my employer's expensive plans.

Net savings each month? Between $200 or $300, depending on which plan I go with.


The only other thing to account for is the fact that you'll be paying for the private coverage after taxes. Which means that the money you now pay through your employer, pre-tax, will now have employment and income taxes levied against it. If you're in a state with income tax that could easily outweigh the savings. Unless your employer decides to pay you out the remainder of the contribution that they would otherwise make. That might balance it out.
 
2013-10-15 12:19:59 PM

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


You'd do better to get enrolled in Medicaid and use the extra money from the insurance you're no longer buying to go back to school for better training so you can get a better paying job.

It's not easy, but it's doable.  Good luck.
 
2013-10-15 12:20:06 PM

Bloody William: George Babbitt: So, one moment its "take personal responsibility, don't make us pay for your ER visits for a head cold" and now its go on the public dole and join medicaid?

You're supposed to take personal responsibility for keeping your family safe and healthy, not for feeding your own pride.


yeah pride won't get your kid medicine when it needs it.
 
2013-10-15 12:20:19 PM

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


THEN WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT?!
 
2013-10-15 12:21:20 PM

Infernalist: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

You'd do better to get enrolled in Medicaid and use the extra money from the insurance you're no longer buying to go back to school for better training so you can get a better paying job.

It's not easy, but it's doable.  Good luck.


or take that extra money and put it in a college fund for the kids
 
2013-10-15 12:21:22 PM

SpectroBoy: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

For the same coverage?

Or are you purposely ATTEMPTING to mislead people?


If you live in Florida it's quite possible, because Republican Governor Rick Scott and his legislature made it illegal for the State Insurance Commissioner to regulate rates for two years. They also instructed insurance companies to blame Obamacare for rate increases.

I Am Not Kidding. Seriously.
 
2013-10-15 12:21:58 PM

George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.


George Babbitt: We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).


SO THE PROBLEM HAS SOLVED ITSELF.
 
2013-10-15 12:22:07 PM
It should be stated again that Boehner can't even come up with enough votes to offer up a shiatty counter proposal to the Senate deal.

Again: He can't even muster enough votes for a shiatty counter proposal.
 
2013-10-15 12:22:38 PM

kasmel: kidgenius: Got onto the federal exchange and looked around the plans. I qualify for no subsidies (make too much). The two plans I'm looking for will either drop my kids deductibles from $5k to either A) $2k, or B)zero dollars. Co-pays will go from $25 to either A) $30 or B) $40. My wife's deductible will go from $1K to whatever will be the kids plan. I now will be able to get individual insurance that includes maternity coverage, so I don't have to have my wife on my employer's expensive plans.

Net savings each month? Between $200 or $300, depending on which plan I go with.

The only other thing to account for is the fact that you'll be paying for the private coverage after taxes. Which means that the money you now pay through your employer, pre-tax, will now have employment and income taxes levied against it. If you're in a state with income tax that could easily outweigh the savings. Unless your employer decides to pay you out the remainder of the contribution that they would otherwise make. That might balance it out.


Due to my particular taxing scenario, there shouldn't be an issue there ;)
 
2013-10-15 12:22:49 PM
Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?
 
2013-10-15 12:23:05 PM

George Babbitt: Kuroshin: h(&G9UFGIUHBFQ9 7FHH I didn't read the other comments to see that you do currently have insurance. ouhuiheiuphfgipsbgipyusgkjbg;kjb


Seriously, the more you know.



You mean the other posts that didn't exist when I was typing that response because I had to go do something in the middle of typing it up?  Yeah, I can honestly say I didn't read comments that I couldn't have read because they weren't on my page at the time.  You see, Fark isn't a chat system, so the thread doesn't pause while in the middle of posting.

And my post wasn't actually about you, even though my response was to a comment that was in itself a response to you.  See, if my post had been in response to you, or directly about you, I would have responded directly, or at the very least made a pointed remark directed at you.  I did neither, so get your ass off that cross - even with insurance, crucifixion is a crippling expense.

It would be against the rules to tell you the names of those it was actually about (calling out other Farkers is a no-no), but suffice it to say that the "but I don't need it" refrain is very common around here.

So that's a big "go fark yourself" on both counts.
 
2013-10-15 12:23:23 PM

DamnYankees: New reports are saying that House GOP is also trying to get contraception ban into this. Again. Dear god.


This is why I didn't understand you last night when you said a clean cr/debt limit agreement had the votes to pass the House.  They're crazy.  They want something for their tantrum.  They are going to take us with them and even if they don't I think Cruz or some other fool like him will do it in the Senate.

I'm not in a panic, but I think we're farked.
 
2013-10-15 12:23:24 PM

Infernalist: It should be stated again that Boehner can't even come up with enough votes to offer up a shiatty counter proposal to the Senate deal.

Again: He can't even muster enough votes for a shiatty counter proposal.


At this point, the only way Boehner leaves office with a scrap of dignity is if he takes the Budd Dwyer retirement plan.
 
2013-10-15 12:23:31 PM

kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: Also, and I realize it's a bit too late for this, but maybe don't have 4 kids if you can't afford to care for them. Again, you're not prioritizing things properly if you can't afford health insurance.

We don't live hand-to-mouth and we manage just fine, thank you. We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

THEN WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT?!


he says it sucks and is too expensive. but when it was shown that he could get it cheaper and better coverage he said he was too proud to accept society's generosity
 
2013-10-15 12:23:45 PM

bluorangefyre: Can we please bring the House GOP up on treason charges?  Please?


Sedition fits.  Treason doesn't.

The only thing missing from the 'sedition' charges is that Sedition requires that the accused to have used 'force' to keep legislated law from being put into effect.
 
2013-10-15 12:23:59 PM

Bloody William: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

George Babbitt: We have insurance through my employer.(as stated many times before now).

SO THE PROBLEM HAS SOLVED ITSELF.


He can't possibly really have the same insurance from his employer, no one gets to keep their insurance under Obamacare, they all have to sign up for ObamaInsurance.
 
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