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2013-10-15 11:54:24 AM  

George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?

Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.


So based on that, you're probably making about $27K a year based on all the data. That's just your income. If your wife doesn't work, your subsidy sky-rockets and you'll only pay about $125 a month for insurance for two. That's an amazing deal and should be feasible. That's a cable-bill (which you said you don't have of course). If she makes any money, than the subsidy will drop, but your rate should still be highly affordable with two incomes.
 
2013-10-15 11:54:28 AM  

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

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You know the difference between Conservatives and normal mammals is: Conservatives are incapable of admitting they were wrong, nor are they capable of changing their positions if some new scenario changes the variables. I am thrilled that we have a President that sees the error in his statement.

Answer me one thing: what actually is the tangible issue with raising the debt ceiling? I mean literally: what would be so bad? Tangibly. I don't mean some "we need to pay our bills durr hurr" crap. I mean literally: what actually happens as a direct, line-of-sight, definite or nearly certain result?

Then ask yourself the same question with regards to a country defaulting. Hint: listen to the Germans, Chinese, Japanese, British, or pretty much all the business leaders and economists in the US if you don't believe foreigners.

Which is worse? Immediately as well as long term?
 
2013-10-15 11:54:31 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The teahadists think they're coolly playing chess instead of what they're really doing: cramming Candyland pieces up their nose and screaming "CHECKMARK" while everyone else in the park rolls their eyes and wonders when the Care Aides are going to intervene with some juice boxes and peanut butter crackers


I just need an illegitimate copy of photoshoop, and I can make this happen, featuring senaturd cruise control, and michelle breakingmyballsman.
 
2013-10-15 11:54:54 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

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Remember when he threatened to tank our credit and economy unless he got policy concessions from republicans?

No? Oh.


He also probably doesn't remember that was during a housing boom, spending 5 trillion in additional debt during a boom time is a spending problem.
 
2013-10-15 11:55:05 AM  

El_Perro: Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.

But House Republicans appear intent to extract at least one concession, depriving members of Congress, the president, vice president and White House political appointees of subsidies when they purchase health insurance under the health care law's new exchanges. Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the majority leader, said any proposal must reflect what he called "our position on fairness" - "no special treatment under the law."

After all of this, and the only concession they are sticking to is screwing over their staffs?  Smart move, really.....


Actually just themselves, they'll let the fixes stand for their staffs. Some Members probably woke up to horses' heads in their beds.
 
2013-10-15 11:55:10 AM  

Infernalist: Boehner is going to have to break the Hastert rule and look to the Democrats for support


And that will be the end of both Boehner and the "Hastert Rule".

Good riddance to both of them.
 
2013-10-15 11:55:28 AM  

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

Unfortunately Bush v. Gore pretty much nipped that in the bud for most of us with true liberal or anti-two-party leanings. For you see, if we hadn't voted for Nader, it's pretty much a given Gore would have won.


Really? Because in Florida more Democrats voted for Bush than voted for Nader. If Gore had kept his base, he would have won Florida and the Presidency. Study it out.
 
2013-10-15 11:55:37 AM  

Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.


FTA : but acknowledged that "there are a lot of opinions" among his fractious troops

What this means is he backed away from the plan not because he thinks the senate plan is good enough, but because he can't even sell his new house plan to the GOP crazies in the house.  In other words we are all screwed.  I don't think Boehner could get the debt ceiling raised the even with a full repeal of obamacare
 
2013-10-15 11:55:42 AM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

So you haven't actually looked into this at all, you're just sure that you'll be screwed over.

Is that so far out there to think that?


Uh, yes. You have no evidence that this will be bad, you're just assuming it will be.
 
2013-10-15 11:56:12 AM  
Any one given thought to Jan 2015 when the insurance companies adjust the premiums, for both exchange and company plans? If you automatically think rates will go down because more people participate, you are delusional.
 
2013-10-15 11:56:20 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.


Did you forget to switch to your other alt before posting again, Mike?
 
2013-10-15 11:57:16 AM  

ciberido: Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.

Did you forget to switch to your other alt before posting again, Mike?


Don't be silly, Mike isn't an alt.  And he's allowed to second his own post, cause reasons.
 
2013-10-15 11:57:16 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.


My God, you're incredible.  Brevity, direction, clarity.  You are my farking hero Mike.

9/10, you forgot 'libtard'
 
2013-10-15 11:57:29 AM  

George Babbitt: It would mean more to me if I got a return on my investment when I didn't use it, as I rarely do, as in I haven't had the need for a physician's care for almost two years and that was a phone call to tell them to send in a steroid scrip to my pharmacy for a case of poison ivy, which costs me $4 without insurance.


LOL omg this is too much you actually think insurance is an investment.  OMG this is too funny.
 
2013-10-15 11:57:41 AM  

Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.


Oh no! Are you stuck in the south too? I wonder if there's some kind of support group for blue Farkers stuck in scary red states...
 
2013-10-15 11:57:43 AM  

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

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Maybe when the ceiling was raised to pay for cruise missiles, he opposed it.

Maybe when the ceiling is going to be raised to pay for the Affordable Care Act, he supports it.

Man, its farking WILD! to think that a politician can have different opinions on varying items when posed in drastically different contexts.

/Pleaserolleveryclipofeverypoliticianever.
//OF ALL TIME.
 
2013-10-15 11:57:44 AM  

chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.


Any other changes?
 
2013-10-15 11:58:07 AM  

Valiente: Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?

Check your next 401k statement. Consequences will indeed be felt.


Yeah, I have been considering moving some funds around to try to profit from the mess these assholes have made. You know they are doing it too.
 
2013-10-15 11:58:17 AM  

CaptSS: Any one given thought to Jan 2015 when the insurance companies adjust the premiums, for both exchange and company plans? If you automatically think rates will go down because more people participate, you are delusional.


The 80/20 stipulation will take care of that.
 
2013-10-15 11:58:29 AM  
I'm slowly reaching the point where, if every House GOP member was beaten about the head and face with snow chains, I'd give less than a fark about it.  I think there are a lot of retards in D.C., and that sucks for us as a country because these assholes are supposed to be our leaders, but the GOP has taken "retarded" to new, dangerous low.  I'm sick of every last one of them.
 
2013-10-15 11:58:57 AM  

Infernalist: ciberido: Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.

Seconded.  Completely agree with you.

Did you forget to switch to your other alt before posting again, Mike?

Don't be silly, Mike isn't an alt.  And he's allowed to second his own post, cause reasons.


RangerTaylor: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

My God, you're incredible.  Brevity, direction, clarity.  You are my farking hero Mike.

9/10, you forgot 'libtard'


There is a reason why Mike isn't on my ignore list.
 
2013-10-15 11:59:04 AM  

CaptSS: Any one given thought to Jan 2015 when the insurance companies adjust the premiums, for both exchange and company plans? If you automatically think rates will go down because more people participate, you are delusional.


Isn't that just about the same time people can vote for single-payer?
 
2013-10-15 11:59:50 AM  

Via Infinito: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Oh no! Are you stuck in the south too? I wonder if there's some kind of support group for blue Farkers stuck in scary red states...


Florida, yep.  Worst still, Orlando.  You know how when Fark has a Florida story it comes with the Florida tag?  Well, 90% of the time, the story is coming from the Orlando Sentinel.  I'm at Ground Zero for the stupid.
 
2013-10-15 12:01:25 PM  

Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.


Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.
 
2013-10-15 12:01:25 PM  

Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.


Will do!
 
2013-10-15 12:01:32 PM  

Via Infinito: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Oh no! Are you stuck in the south too? I wonder if there's some kind of support group for blue Farkers stuck in scary red states...


My boyfriend and I live in North Carolina; I'm originally from Illinois, he's from Manhattan.  If the finances allowed us to move back to one of those locations, we'd have done it a while ago.  Sure, not having two feet of snow and ice in the winter is nice, but I'll gladly take it back if it means I don't have to deal with these morons anymore.
 
2013-10-15 12:01:51 PM  

Serious Black: Zasteva: Serious Black: Section 1: If, by April 1st, Congress has not approved a common budget between the two chambers, it shall be a privileged motion to call for a vote on any budget resolution that has the support of ten percent of the chamber.

Section 2: If, by October 1st, Congress has not approved and the President has not signed into law all common appropriations bills, all previous appropriations shall be continued, and the Supreme Court shall call an election for all federally elected officials to be held on the first Tuesday of December.

Section 3: Consistent with the intent of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, Congress shall not have the power to limit the borrowing authority of the federal government.

I like it!!

The big concern would be that in this case, the House would refuse to compromise, to force another chance to unseat Obama. I think you would have to add that all sitting members of the House would be ineligible to run again, or possibly all Federal elected officials permanently ineligible for any future elected office.

I can see that possibility happening as well, but then it comes down to a prediction of whether they (or whoever runs in their stead) can win the impending election. Right now, would you bet on the Tea Party being able to usurp Obama or even keep their own seats if they were able to run for re-election? I wouldn't; Obama's approval has dropped something like three points since the start of the shutdown while Republicans in Congress have dropped almost a dozen. If elections were held today, I suspect the Democrats would take the majority in the House by a slim margin.

That said, I'd be okay with a permanent ban on elected officials involved seeking any federal office if it got more people on board with the proposal.


Wish there was a germane way to tack insider trading onto that. You can't tell me this is just coincidence, considering that Congress gutted that law not too long ago.
 
2013-10-15 12:02:06 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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Lol... The fact that Rubio and Bush are put forth as possible Presidents by the GOP is hysterical.


Seriously. The Bush name is so poisonous, GW's name was barely mentioned during the 2012 Presidential race. As for Rubio, even the heavily Republican Cuban community he spawned from sees him as joke.
 
2013-10-15 12:02:07 PM  

George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.


he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.
 
2013-10-15 12:02:59 PM  

Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.


I've often thought the greater Seattle area might be a cool place to live.
 
2013-10-15 12:03:10 PM  

Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.


I've already done my research.  Olympic Peninsula is where I'm headed.  I just need to get my degree finished.

Port Angeles is absolutely gorgeous territory.
 
2013-10-15 12:03:31 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.


They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.
 
2013-10-15 12:04:13 PM  

CaptSS: Any one given thought to Jan 2015 when the insurance companies adjust the premiums, for both exchange and company plans? If you automatically think rates will go down because more people participate, you are delusional.


Seeing as how any increase of more than 10% requires the insurance companies to publicly justify it, and the new 80/20 rule, it will likely keep increases to a minimum.
 
2013-10-15 12:05:03 PM  

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.

They're called kids, four of them, the $175 was for a single person, and the calculator I just looked at said that we would have to shell out about $450/month, and we're still talking the minimum coverage from the ACA here which is lousy. Thank you for the Life 101 lesson on home economics dad. There is more to budgeting than what you need the cushion to be and what you want the cushion to be.


With 4 kids, I think you're within the boundaries for Medicaid enrollment.
 
2013-10-15 12:05:18 PM  

namegoeshere: It's not just poor people who couldn't access health insurance. (The poorest people have insurance.) How about middle class small business owners and employees, the self employed, those with preexisting conditions, etc.?


Poor people have free health insurance, small business owners like me now will be fined if I don't get insurance I can't afford.

Its affordable healthcare after all (even if you cannot afford it as they want you to believe).
 
2013-10-15 12:05:54 PM  

Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.


I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.
 
2013-10-15 12:05:58 PM  

Infernalist: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

I've already done my research.  Olympic Peninsula is where I'm headed.  I just need to get my degree finished.

Port Angeles is absolutely gorgeous territory.


Los Santos is nice, too.
 
2013-10-15 12:06:21 PM  
The GOP are poster children of government waste when they are actually working. Then they pull this temper tantrum and waste even more money during a shut down that will have to be back-paid. Go find respect for yourself in some school yard and leave real world problems to the adults.

/New cartoon: Uncle Sam, Statue of Liberty, whomever... going to hell in a hand basket, lowered by the elephant trunk.
 
2013-10-15 12:06:36 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Via Infinito: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Oh no! Are you stuck in the south too? I wonder if there's some kind of support group for blue Farkers stuck in scary red states...

My boyfriend and I live in North Carolina; I'm originally from Illinois, he's from Manhattan.  If the finances allowed us to move back to one of those locations, we'd have done it a while ago.  Sure, not having two feet of snow and ice in the winter is nice, but I'll gladly take it back if it means I don't have to deal with these morons anymore.


RTP isnt bad minus that the majority just adore the smell of their own farts.
Piedmont Triangle is better minus that whole poor thing.
Charlotte is gross. Yeah. It sucks.
 
2013-10-15 12:06:38 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I'm slowly reaching the point where, if every House GOP member was beaten about the head and face with snow chains, I'd give less than a fark about it.  I think there are a lot of retards in D.C., and that sucks for us as a country because these assholes are supposed to be our leaders, but the GOP has taken "retarded" to new, dangerous low.  I'm sick of every last one of them.


May I please offer my state's House GOP members (particularly the one from Ky-6) to be beaten first?
 
2013-10-15 12:06:40 PM  

kidgenius: George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?

Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.

So based on that, you're probably making about $27K a year based on all the data. That's just your income. If your wife doesn't work, your subsidy sky-rockets and you'll only pay about $125 a month for insurance for two. That's an amazing deal and should be feasible. That's a cable-bill (which you said you don't have of course). If she makes any money, than the subsidy will drop, but your rate should still be highly affordable with two incomes.


The $175 was a personal rate, not a family rate...read all the posts.
 
2013-10-15 12:06:42 PM  

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


The federal government is far from perfect, but it has done quite a lot of good over the past couple of centuries.

The U.S. military is more effective than an assortment of local militias would be.

The Interstate Highway System is far, far better than the interconnected network of state roads used to be.

Rural Electrification has been a tremendous socio-economic boon to many areas.

Social Security has been going strong for 75 years now, and old people don't go dying in the streets anymore.

The FDA has made our food supply significantly healthier, and enacted reliable standards for drugs.

Building and maintaining our energy and communications infrastructures would have been nearly impossible without various government programs.

I can go on, if you like.
 
2013-10-15 12:06:55 PM  

Via Infinito: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Oh no! Are you stuck in the south too? I wonder if there's some kind of support group for blue Farkers stuck in scary red states...


There is, it's called Fark.com.
 
2013-10-15 12:07:14 PM  

George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.


Healthcare is mostly overpriced to cover the cost of the uninsured getting healthcare and not being able to pay for it.

Obamacare will fix that.
 
2013-10-15 12:07:42 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

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Remember when he threatened to tank our credit and economy unless he got policy concessions from republicans?

No? Oh.


but, otherwise, the situation is the exact same.
 
2013-10-15 12:07:52 PM  

Anayalator: Infernalist: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

I've already done my research.  Olympic Peninsula is where I'm headed.  I just need to get my degree finished.

Port Angeles is absolutely gorgeous territory.

Los Santos is nice, too.


I didn't pass through Los Santos.  Is that on the Peninsula or further south?
 
2013-10-15 12:08:15 PM  

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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www.rigsofrods.com

1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-10-15 12:08:46 PM  

Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.


Seattle is really liberal. The rest of the state, really conservative. The weather here is shiat. The traffic is awful. It's also hella expensive, and I've lived in both San Diego and the DC area, so when I say it's hella expensive, I know what I'm talking about.

But it's nice living in a state with legalized gay marriage and recreational marijuana use (not that I am involved in either activity). Also, the city of Seattle is pretty progressive. Last year they enacted a law that required all employers within Seattle city limits to provide paid sick time for their contract workers. Yes, this directly affected us. The downside is Seattle PD is pretty aggressive and corrupt. My brother once had his car towed, along with every other car in that same parking lot. They'd parked to go to a thing downtown, and four hours later every car in the parking lot was towed and there were signs up that said, "24-HOUR NOTICE: NO PARKING IN THIS LOCATION STARTING [that day's date]" but of course there was no 24-hour notice. They'd just put up the signs and towed every car immediately. Seattle gets a kickback every time they get a car towed (as do most cities), so they just made a few grand towing 30 cars. And don't get me started on the cops shooting unarmed civilians.
 
2013-10-15 12:08:52 PM  

Infernalist: Serious Black: Infernalist: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.

Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.

Washington state is pretty nice according to what I hear from my relatives that live there. Both of Seattle's mayoral candidates support raising the minimum wage, at least one of them throwing out the $15 an hour target.

I've already done my research.  Olympic Peninsula is where I'm headed.  I just need to get my degree finished.

Port Angeles is absolutely gorgeous territory.


I haven't been in that area. My brother lives in Shoreline. He really likes the area. Great cycling scene.
 
2013-10-15 12:09:13 PM  

George Babbitt: Hobodeluxe: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: QueenMamaBee: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

Sweet Jesus, that's better than what my employer offers.

God I hate this place.

Maybe it's time for a walk-out at your Golden Arches location.

Ha. I'm a medical biller at a hospital.

Ah, the real source of this national travesty surrounds you daily.

he's trolling you. everyone I know of that works for a hospital gets excellent coverage on the cheap.

I didn't say that his coverage sucks cuz he works for a hospital, I was implying that healthcare costs too much and insurance in general sucks because of the way the healthcare industry sucks.


What part of my user name led you to believe I'm a "he"?

/and my healthcare coverage sucks. I pay $140 out of pocket per month for very crappy coverage and a $5K deductible.
 
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