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2013-10-15 11:39:15 AM

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.

Don't have cable, have a great-grandfathered plan with mobile carrier going back 25 years and it's cheaper than any contract you've ever heard of, don't have an iPad/tablet, and we never eat out as we abstain from all artificial food additives. As I said elsewhere, we h ...


You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.
 
2013-10-15 11:39:25 AM

d23: George Babbitt: kidgenius: Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.

Only beacause healthcare costs too much. There are stories coming out now about some doctors are not taking insurance anymore and are able to offer cheaper services.

From the other direction there are also plenty of hospitals that are charging $300 for a $5 bag of saline drip.


No transparency or price comparison is the biggest failure of our system, it is intentionally as opaque as possible for billing purposes, with as many intermediaries as possible.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:08 AM
I'll show you brinksmanship!
 
2013-10-15 11:41:11 AM

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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Eh...the cartoon is both right and not right.

1. Redistricting only lasts 10 years, and we're now down to 8. That's still quite a while, but it's not "permanent" like the cartoon says.
2. A lot of these new districts (especially here in NC) were drawn in a way that creates more, but weaker, GOP-friendly districts. They aren't all fireproof. A heavy anti-GOP sentiment, like the current one, could topple several of them.
3. The current budget situation may have destroyed the GOP's chance to get the Senate.
4. No way is anyone going to elect another Bush. Rubio is a possibility.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:17 AM

George Babbitt: kidgenius: Your insurance will pay out WAY more than you put in and you will benefit by not being bankrupt.

Only beacause healthcare costs too much. There are stories coming out now about some doctors are not taking insurance anymore and are able to offer cheaper services.


Stories? Oooooh. Next they'll have anecdotes too. Because that equals data. farking retard.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:31 AM

Krymson Tyde: Muta: Krymson Tyde: Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.
.

I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.


Thanks for one of my favorite profile quotes.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:32 AM

JerseyTim: House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013


could you imagine if Muslim members of congress started a meeting with a Muslim prayed.  The TeaDerped would explode.
 
2013-10-15 11:41:46 AM

netweavr: What election is your post running as a candidate in?


Postmaster General.
 
2013-10-15 11:42:05 AM

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Civil rights - prior to that you had Jim Crow.

The interstate highway system - prior to that, east-west travel in a timely manner was near impossible.

Rural electrification - prior to that, outside of urban areas, you had either no electricity, were paying through the nose, or only had electricity part of the day.

Air traffic control - prior to that, you had a patchwork of little controlled airspaces or no traffic control at all.

Mandated telephone service - thanks to the FCC, you now have telephone service in every part of the country, E911 service, and number portability. Prior to that, parts of the country weren't served at all, and many others had no 911 service.
 
2013-10-15 11:42:08 AM

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.



Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)
 
2013-10-15 11:42:29 AM

Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.

This is so true.


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters are brainwashed into voting their wealthy masters largess out of the public treasury."
 
2013-10-15 11:42:36 AM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Quit being a taker and depending your boss to pay yor premium with your pre-tax income using a group rate he was able to negotiate.


I'm a taker because I participate in the capitalist free market and my employer is doing on a small scale what the ACA failed to do on a large scale?
 
2013-10-15 11:43:09 AM

GoodyearPimp: GoldSpider: chevyguy68: Just found out that my health care is going from $300 a month to $550, great health care reform you got there, Obama.

I'm sure that's Obama's fault and not your employer or the group insurer they deal with.

Every $250 is an extra abortion at the provider of your choice.


Its almost as if raising rates using obamacare as an excuse will provide the public a reason to resist it and save the healthcare industry's absurd profit margin as well as make some easy short term money.

And stuff
 
2013-10-15 11:43:26 AM
 
2013-10-15 11:43:52 AM

HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.


I hear seniors like Medicare, but it's a constant struggle to keep Big Government out of it.
 
2013-10-15 11:44:35 AM

Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.


That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.
 
2013-10-15 11:44:35 AM

Peki: Sent an email to Senator Warren.

I want to know who owns what stocks, and I want to know right now. Darrel Issa, Ted Cruz, Jim
DeMint, Eric Cantor, and I want Romney's too.

I want to know EXACTLY who is buying shorts right now, because I'll bet anything that's what it's all about.

Take a few million, buy a grip of shorts. Keep leaking news of a "deal" so the market will run up and be optimistic. Sell the profits on the few million you didn't use for short, then buy more shorts.

Step 3: profit, no matter which way this goes.


THIS
 
2013-10-15 11:45:14 AM

Gunther: Isn't the deadline to avoid a default today? WTF are they doing rejecting bipartisan deals at this stage?

Do they farking understand what happens if they overplay their (incredibly weak) hand?


Not really. The reality bubble has been going on lately that default either won't happen (we'll pay bondholders and not old people/doctors), won't be a big deal (cleanest dirty shirt and all), or is actually a Good Thing (the sorts of people who think the Federal government needs to run a balanced budget).
 
2013-10-15 11:45:28 AM

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.


And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?
 
2013-10-15 11:45:56 AM

Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.


Well, of course they did.
 
2013-10-15 11:46:27 AM

Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.


If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.
 
2013-10-15 11:46:30 AM

Amish Tech Support: Krymson Tyde: Muta: Krymson Tyde: Goddammit Boehner, just shut the fark up already.
.

I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

Thanks for one of my favorite profile quotes.


I had to go see what it was...LOL you're welcome!
 
2013-10-15 11:47:29 AM

generallyso: netweavr: To be fair, they're rapidly losing every major campaign contributor they have. So the consequence is the death of the Party.

Farkers have been declaring the imminent end of the Republican Party as a viable political organization since the first term of Bush 43.

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Rubio?

Yea, all you need is a latino and all the latinos will vote for you, of course...they are really stupid like that.  Proceed, GOP

Have a drink

cdn.theatlanticwire.com
 
2013-10-15 11:47:29 AM

George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.


So you haven't actually looked into this at all, you're just sure that you'll be screwed over.
 
2013-10-15 11:47:41 AM

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.

I can't afford $60 copay to my primary physician and $5000/year deductible all for the cost of $175/month in premiums for Bronze level coverage.

If you can't afford $175 a month for health insurance, then you're living outside your means and you should reevaluate what you're wasting your money on. Health insurance should be a priority over things like that brand new car or the upgraded car with the bells and whistles. You don't need 1000 channels on your TV. You don't need a smart phone. Health insurance should be one of the things you buy no matter what.

Did the NSA give you access to their network and now you know what I can afford and what I spend my money on?

Nope. I just know that if you're TRULY too broke to buy health insurance (especially for only $175/month) then you'd qualify for subsidies. And if that $175 factors in subsidies, then I know you're wasting your money on unimportant shiat. Like I said, you don't need expanded cable. You don't need a smart phone.  You don't need to connect your iPad to ATT's 4g network. Health insurance should be prioritized as Can't Live Without, like rent and food. Everything else is a want that you CAN do without. If you pared back your cable, your cell phone bill (by getting a dumb phone), and your dining out at restaurants bill, you could afford health insurance.

Be a grown up and make the hard choices we're all facing. Like I said, we downgraded our housing to pay for our health insurance last year. It sucks, but we nutted up and did it because we're goddamn grown ups.


Personal responsibility is only for other people, not MEEEE!

I love the attempted argument of, "but I don't NEEEED it!"  Are you alive?  Then you need it.  No, you can't wait until you get sick, get insurance, then drop it as soon as your personal health crisis is over.  It's not a goddamn grant.

Personally, I could go two ways with this: 1) single payer, comprehensive national insurance pool, etc. or 2) deregulate insurance completely, drop all State and Federal subsidies/funding for ER programs, and eliminate all entitlement programs (yes, that includes Medicare and Social Security).

One or the other.  If you're so goddamn boot-strappy that you don't "need" health insurance, then you're on your own, paying cash for care and likely obtaining non-dischargeable debt over the course of your life.  Broke your arm?  Too farking bad - pay up the $10k for care.  Heart attack?  Fark you, pony up the $200k.   No, you can't just go to the ER and get care for "free" anymore.  Stay home and die.

But that's not the preferable option.  The ACA is an unfortunately half-assed first step in the right direction (single payer).  Just gotta keep moving toward the only reasonable and logical goal.

If not?  Fark you.  Burn the entire support system to the ground.  Enjoy losing everything you have in a single day.  Either through paying up-front for care out of pocket, or from being raped by unregulated insurance.  You want a Libertarian paradise?  You have no idea what that entails...
 
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2013-10-15 11:47:46 AM

SpectroBoy: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.


Fire departments.  (better, and more of them)
Fighting wars (way better than militias)
Paving the roads.  (cheaper by pooling resources, more roads paved)
Public education. (better, now all kids can get an education. Cheaper than private schol.)


Food inspection.
Mass emergency management and recovery
Centralizing issues of health safety. (CDC, NIH)
Coordinating communications resources (the hated FCC)
Lists of other things that don't make a profit but HAVE to be done.

None of that is roses either, all of it is a mess in practice... but it has to be done.
 
2013-10-15 11:47:55 AM
We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

i912.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-15 11:48:16 AM

ginandbacon: Newsflash? Really?


Does this really hurt your butt that bad? Really?
 
2013-10-15 11:48:52 AM

Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.


And now we're going to see the fundamental problem.   The House is going to have to propose to unified counter proposal, but they're inherently unable to do so.    Their motivations run the gambit from wanting to pass a "clean" CR to Neo-Conferederate insurgents intentionally attempting to sabotage the federal government from the inside.
 
2013-10-15 11:48:56 AM

impaler: HammerMill: Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.

None, besides every other industrial country on the planet.

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Unbelievable that we already spend as much per capita publicly as every other OECD country but we fail to cover everyone with that money.
 
2013-10-15 11:49:38 AM

Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.


My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.
 
2013-10-15 11:49:40 AM
I heard this on the radio this morning and nearly facepalmed myself off the road.

Really Boeher?

Really?

970biking.com
 
2013-10-15 11:49:57 AM

kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?


Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.
 
2013-10-15 11:50:01 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


It's called never voting Republican again. Not even once. Other than that, if you mean by legal means, unless and until President Obama exploits executive privilege, then probably not.
 
2013-10-15 11:50:15 AM

InmanRoshi: Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.

And now we're going to see the fundamental problem.   The House is going to have to propose to unified counter proposal, but they're inherently unable to do so.    Their motivations run the gambit from wanting to pass a "clean" CR to Neo-Conferederate insurgents intentionally attempting to sabotage the federal government from the inside.


That's been the problem from the start.  Boehner is going to have to break the Hastert rule and look to the Democrats for support.
 
2013-10-15 11:50:27 AM

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


Remember when he threatened to tank our credit and economy unless he got policy concessions from republicans?

No? Oh.
 
2013-10-15 11:50:31 AM

Paris1127: House Republicans have backed off from their latest plan.

But House Republicans appear intent to extract at least one concession, depriving members of Congress, the president, vice president and White House political appointees of subsidies when they purchase health insurance under the health care law's new exchanges. Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the majority leader, said any proposal must reflect what he called "our position on fairness" - "no special treatment under the law."


After all of this, and the only concession they are sticking to is screwing over their staffs?  Smart move, really.....
 
2013-10-15 11:50:50 AM

Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.


If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.
 
2013-10-15 11:51:36 AM

Mike_LowELL: This default would not be happening if you stupid liberals would stop defaulting to a Democrat every time an election comes around.


Unfortunately Bush v. Gore pretty much nipped that in the bud for most of us with true liberal or anti-two-party leanings. For you see, if we hadn't voted for Nader, it's pretty much a given Gore would have won.
 
2013-10-15 11:51:36 AM

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


To expand: Inside the reality bubble, they believe that the sole purpose of any program that benefits any person directly, is to make that person depend on the government, so as to guarantee their big-government (i.e. Democratic) vote.

They also believe that 47% of the country is currently dependent in such a manner.

Therefore, getting more people dependent (through the ACA) will push us over the 50%-moocher tipping point. From there on out, Democratic victory in all elections would be guaranteed, and there would be no way to ever save the country from the resulting tax-and-spend death spiral.

From the outside, the apparent belief that ACA is an existential threat to the very concept of freedom looks stupid. But just borrow a couple of axioms from conservative brains, and it makes perfect sense.
 
2013-10-15 11:51:42 AM

Kuroshin: h(&G9UFGIUHBFQ9 7FHH I didn't read the other comments to see that you do currently have insurance. ouhuiheiuphfgipsbgipyusgkjbg;kjb



Seriously, the more you know.
 
2013-10-15 11:51:58 AM

Prophet of Loss: you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?


web.duke.edu
The US System:  Winner-Take-All
First-past-the-post voting
 
2013-10-15 11:52:21 AM

happydude45: We have a spending problem. At least one former member of congress used to think so.

[i912.photobucket.com image 422x750]


Really? Can you show me one time Obama said we have a spending problem?
 
2013-10-15 11:52:30 AM

Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: Via Infinito: Krymson Tyde: I'm sick to death of these GOP assholes. And I'm stuck here in the fricken south surrounded by them.

If you haven't started plotting your escape yet, you need to get busy. I started working on my escape plan within months of moving here.

My wife and I are seriously discussing moving to her home state of Colorado. We most likely will do that after I get my other "issues" straightened out.

I hate to leave family and friends behind, but I'm absolutely fed up with this shiat.

If you end up leaving first, take me with you. Seriously. I can't wait to move to CO.


Washington state for me.  Once I finish my degree, that is.
 
2013-10-15 11:52:34 AM

Mike Chewbacca: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

So you haven't actually looked into this at all, you're just sure that you'll be screwed over.


Is that so far out there to think that?
 
2013-10-15 11:53:17 AM
The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,


YOU LOST.


YOU GET NOTHING.


ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!


YOU LOSE!


GOOD DAY SIR.

 
2013-10-15 11:53:30 AM

ciberido: Prophet of Loss: you are a puppet: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why we have no centrist party?

[web.duke.edu image 615x387]
The US System:  Winner-Take-All
First-past-the-post voting


It really took them seven steps to explain that?
 
2013-10-15 11:53:52 AM

George Babbitt: kidgenius: George Babbitt: Mike Chewbacca: You are still living beyond your means. If you can't afford $175 a month, you're barely treading water. And you said "we" which means you're at least married. Or maybe your state farked you over by not expanding Medicare?

Really, I have no idea how you can be married and live in cheap Ohio and still not be able to afford $175/month for insurance for your family. The cheapest price we're looking at in WA is somewhere around $400 (our income went up since we had to buy our insurance last year, which means we no longer qualify for a subsidy) for a family of two non-smokers in our 30s and 40s. $175 is a farking bargain.

That was the cost for a single person, healthy and smoke free. I didn't even bother to see what it went up to when I figured in my family. I didn't want to test my wallet heart muscles.

And was the $175/month subsidized, or un-subsidized?

Were not rich, of course it was subsidized. Which is the same thing as the group rate that my employer secures.


So you get insurance from your employer but you're oh so concerned about what insurance will cost if you buy it on your own.

And you still can't afford $175/month even though it's subsidized. Again, if you can't afford $175 for health insurance, your priorities are farked up and you need to reevaluate what you spend your money on. Somewhere, you're spending too much money. Seriously, if you don't have a $175 cushion in your monthly budget, you're living beyond your means. Your monthly bills shouldn't equal your monthly income.
 
2013-10-15 11:53:53 AM

Mike_LowELL: netweavr: What election is your post running as a candidate in?

Postmaster General.


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2013-10-15 11:54:10 AM

Zasteva: Serious Black: Section 1: If, by April 1st, Congress has not approved a common budget between the two chambers, it shall be a privileged motion to call for a vote on any budget resolution that has the support of ten percent of the chamber.

Section 2: If, by October 1st, Congress has not approved and the President has not signed into law all common appropriations bills, all previous appropriations shall be continued, and the Supreme Court shall call an election for all federally elected officials to be held on the first Tuesday of December.

Section 3: Consistent with the intent of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, Congress shall not have the power to limit the borrowing authority of the federal government.

I like it!!

The big concern would be that in this case, the House would refuse to compromise, to force another chance to unseat Obama. I think you would have to add that all sitting members of the House would be ineligible to run again, or possibly all Federal elected officials permanently ineligible for any future elected office.


I can see that possibility happening as well, but then it comes down to a prediction of whether they (or whoever runs in their stead) can win the impending election. Right now, would you bet on the Tea Party being able to usurp Obama or even keep their own seats if they were able to run for re-election? I wouldn't; Obama's approval has dropped something like three points since the start of the shutdown while Republicans in Congress have dropped almost a dozen. If elections were held today, I suspect the Democrats would take the majority in the House by a slim margin.

That said, I'd be okay with a permanent ban on elected officials involved seeking any federal office if it got more people on board with the proposal.
 
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