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(Talking Points Memo)   Senate GOP: Simmer down, we found a way out of this mess. House GOP: Well, then we'll just issue another counter offer with attacks on Obamacare then. HA   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 644
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2013-10-15 10:07:08 AM
Please proceed, derp heads.
 
2013-10-15 10:08:45 AM
But remember, folks, the Democrats are the ones prolonging this by refusing to make any concessions.
 
2013-10-15 10:09:51 AM
I love it when a self-fulfilling prophecy comes together!
 
2013-10-15 10:10:18 AM
Newsflash? Really?
 
2013-10-15 10:12:01 AM

ginandbacon: Newsflash? Really?


Aw, cr@p!  That's what I get for using the mouse wheel and not double checking which field had focus on it when I scrolled.  :(  *self chairshot*

Mods, feel free to change that to non-news flash if you want.  My apologies to all.
 
2013-10-15 10:13:43 AM
Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.
 
2013-10-15 10:25:42 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: ginandbacon: Newsflash? Really?

Aw, cr@p!  That's what I get for using the mouse wheel and not double checking which field had focus on it when I scrolled.  :(  *self chairshot*

Mods, feel free to change that to non-news flash if you want.  My apologies to all.


LOL you're arright mang :)
 
2013-10-15 10:26:04 AM
Taxation without representation!

herpa-derpa-doo!
 
2013-10-15 10:28:43 AM
The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.

YOU GET NOTHING.

ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!

YOU LOSE!

GOOD DAY SIR.

 
2013-10-15 10:31:02 AM
Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?
 
2013-10-15 10:34:17 AM
Only relection
 
2013-10-15 10:36:59 AM
Points on the board!
 
2013-10-15 10:39:12 AM
Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.
 
2013-10-15 10:39:22 AM
I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.
 
2013-10-15 10:44:31 AM

nekom: I want poor people to have better access to health insurance.  I was told that this makes me worse than Hitler.


It makes you double hitler + one Half Stalin or if we convert it to Benghazis its only 3/100ths of a benghazi
 
2013-10-15 10:46:23 AM

Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.


Why not?  The public isn't forgetting about this.  If they want to take us hostage again then please proceed.
 
2013-10-15 10:47:18 AM
It's not just poor people who couldn't access health insurance. (The poorest people have insurance.) How about middle class small business owners and employees, the self employed, those with preexisting conditions, etc.?
 
2013-10-15 10:51:41 AM
So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING
 
2013-10-15 10:53:36 AM

make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING


They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.
 
2013-10-15 10:54:44 AM
Methinks the Tree of Liberty is getting mighty thirsty.
 
2013-10-15 10:55:32 AM
photos.imageevent.com
 
2013-10-15 10:55:41 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Nope. No consequences.
 
2013-10-15 10:56:28 AM

Carn: Nadie_AZ: Jan. 15, 2014 and raise the debt limit until Feb. 7 or 8 of next year.

So we do this all over again in 3 months?

How about NO.

Why not?  The public isn't forgetting about this.  If they want to take us hostage again then please proceed.


They will try to find a way to make it worse. They are getting austerity, weakened markets and their victory.
 
2013-10-15 10:56:43 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Yes, potentially global consequences. But for the idiots doing this? No. No consequences. Consequences are for little people.
 
2013-10-15 10:57:36 AM
Heliovdrake:
They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.

Then they shouldn't have named it Obamacare.  That stands to really backfire on them.
 
2013-10-15 10:58:12 AM
How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.
 
2013-10-15 10:59:11 AM

James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.


It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.
 
2013-10-15 10:59:51 AM
Teabaggers are dangerous extremists,news at 11:00.
 
2013-10-15 11:00:37 AM
They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:44 AM
I'm just going to stand 40 yards away and watch how this plays out.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:49 AM
They're terrorists. They're totally in-farking-sane and they only want to see this nation bleed. This time SEAL Team 6 can just cruise over from their base directly in minutes. No need for violations of airspace or anything. Just go and get 'em.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:56 AM
No Medical Device Tax huh?

I thought Cantor got up in front of the House on the eve of the shutdown and said that the pubs weren't working for the special treatment of big business? God you guys have a short memory. Sadly, I think voters have even a shorter one.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:59 AM

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


What have the Democrats done to deserve that?
 
2013-10-15 11:02:46 AM

karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.


Are these considered medical devices?

i.imgur.com

If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.
 
2013-10-15 11:02:51 AM

Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.


Yeah I'm sure Libertarian/Green will work out much better. The parties have come to an agreement: 9/11 was an inside job!
 
2013-10-15 11:03:05 AM

James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.


Obama said he'd drop the medical device tax all together.  So this whole battle is over an area where the two parties are in agreement.  Thank you Republicans.
 
2013-10-15 11:03:23 AM

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


That's what is making the GOP worried.  If they let ACA go through people will find out how good it is and then they will never win another election.  Again GOP only cares about themselvs and not who voted for them.
 
2013-10-15 11:03:42 AM
The teahadists think they're coolly playing chess instead of what they're really doing: cramming Candyland pieces up their nose and screaming "CHECKMARK" while everyone else in the park rolls their eyes and wonders when the Care Aides are going to intervene with some juice boxes and peanut butter crackers
 
2013-10-15 11:03:48 AM
Please give me one example of a function that government has taken over and made it better, faster, or cheaper.

There are none.  While in principal the ACA is full of rainbows and sunshine for everyone, in practice it will be is a mess.
 
2013-10-15 11:03:56 AM
WHY DO YOU GET TO MAKE A COUNTER OFFER WHEN THE ONLY THING BEING ASKED OF YOU IS THAT YOU PERFORM ONE OF YOUR MOST BASIC JOB RESPONSIBILITIES!?

Arrrrgh... I wish I could just walk into work and make new demands every day to do that for which I was hired in the first place.

Smeggy Smurf: They were elected to keep Fartbongo Death Panels from becoming a reality.  So far, they're doing a good job of it.


Indeed. Go slay that giant you crazy sons of biatches.

www.mainlesson.com
 
2013-10-15 11:04:02 AM

Zasteva: Prophet of Loss: How about we start a no Democrats, no GOP movement next election season? Its time to give some other political parties a try.

What have the Democrats done to deserve that?


Nothing,just more "both sides are equally bad" nonsense.
 
2013-10-15 11:04:15 AM

Heliovdrake: The US government is not in the business of negotiating with extortionists.

The ACA WAS a compromise. It was voted into law by congress.

The people supported it in not ONE but TWO National Elections where it was a major issue each time.

The Supreme court upheld its legality.

The GOP failed to repeal it 42+ times.

And now the GoP and Its Teahadist wing are going to crash not only our economy, but potentially the world's.

The Adults on the world stage know this, the adults in the US know this. Even the GOP knows this, by how hard they are trying to pin it on the democrat party and the President,

YOU LOST.YOU GET NOTHING.ITS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!YOU LOSE!GOOD DAY SIR.


You do realize that assuming that by voting against Romney and for Obama, that's just a statement of "fark romney", and not necessarily a referendum on ACA or anything, right? I voted for Obama because i hated romney. I also hate the ACA because it's a garbage law that doesn't do much to help the situation other than add in new taxes and force insurance companies to take on more people/risk.

So, while the alternative to the ACA is shiattier, if I had my druthers, the ACA would be replaced with comprehensive regulation and price controls for life-saving equipment, medicine, and most care, a basic national plan which private insurers can supplement to add benefit (better coverage for more stuff than the national plan, etc.), and continue to make costs of insurance tax deductible.

Stop believing that because people thought the R candidates were worse, it equates to a referendum on ACA.
 
2013-10-15 11:04:56 AM

James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.


A tax on Hoverrounds?

This tyranny shall not stand! Er... roll.
 
2013-10-15 11:05:19 AM
Does this remind anyone else of the "Duck Season, Rabbit Season" Bugs Bunny?

Like if they keep it up eventually the Dems will slip and point the gun at themselves?
 
2013-10-15 11:05:46 AM

stovepipe: karmaceutical: James!: Finally their true goal of delaying the medical device tax reveals itself.  So glad they shut the government down over that shiat.

It is crazy.  This whole damn time, they were fighting for the medical device lobby.

Are these considered medical devices?

[i.imgur.com image 494x743]

If so, it's all starting to make sense to me.


1% of the time they are medical devices.  99% of the time they are lazy fat fark devices.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:00 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior.

Please?


Not for the baggers, no. They see a default as a victory.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:02 AM

House GOP members sang "Amazing Grace" together to start their meeting on a debt limit deal this morning.

- Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) October 15, 2013
 
2013-10-15 11:06:09 AM
Delaying the individual mandate for a year is in the best interests of the democratic party.. its a shame that they cannot see this.  It avoids the favoritism that the unions are other deep pocket lobbiests are getting and it will allow them to get HealthCare.gov ironed out (which from all reports is a 6-9 month all hands on deck project since it's design is fundamentally flawed.. which will push it past the open enrollment deadline).. if they don't push it out, the democrats are going to catch hell when people have to pay their IRS fines.  Right now the shut down is obscuring most of the healthcare.gov issues... once the shutdown goes away, and media focuses full time on healthcare.gov.. the shiat is going to hit the fan.

As far as the medical devices tax... the entire idea of taxing a single industry to pay for associated ACA costs was stupid from the get-go... whoever got this included in the ACA should be run out of town... it's causing medical device manufacturers to ship their manufacturing overseas so that laber costs are lowered.

Common sense.. both parties need to find some.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:45 AM

Heliovdrake: make me some tea: So, basically they are going to monkey around with the funding for ACA, turning a fully funded system into a partially funded system. WINNING

They are very worried that the ACA will work, and people will like it.


Exactly. I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I was able to utilize the WA exchange and find insurance that was better than the insurance we'd had to buy on our own last year that was $500 cheaper each month. Better insurance. Lower deductibles. No copays (versus $40 copays). $500 cheaper per month. And even though we're solidly middle class making more than the median yearly income, we'd get a subsidy to help us pay for the insurance (which is why it was $500 cheaper and not $350).

Please note that we moved to a smaller apartment to help pay for the insurance we had to buy on our own for 10 months. If we'd had access to the exchanges, we wouldn't have had to do that. Part of why we moved is we were on COBRA for a few months while Regence slowly, slowly processed our application. Took them 3 months and they made us pay for November even though we hadn't used any services and they hadn't approved our application until December. It was pay for November (on top of paying COBRA in November) or go through the process all over again and hope it doesn't take another 3 months. So they got $780 from us for nothing, plus we paid $1200 for COBRA. Nothing quite like spending $2000 for one month of health insurance when all you did was buy 3 generic prescriptions.

Meanwhile, retards keep telling me that Obamacare will be more expensive for people they know. The only thing I can imagine is those people they know are either lying, mistaken, or have such shiatty insurance that it doesn't count as actual insurance.
 
2013-10-15 11:06:56 AM
Benevolent Misanthrope: "Someone please tell me there will be consequences for this behavior."

Not only will there be no consequences for the clowns behind this mess, but the true terrible beauty of the gerry-mandering and crazy-baiting they've accomplished, is that they'd have suffered serious consequences if they *hadn't* done it.
 
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