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2013-10-15 12:19:07 PM

Giltric: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Massively Multiplayer Addict: Are they really demolishing it just because a gunman went on a rampage there and put some bullet holes in the walls? Or did it need to be replaced anyway?

The school was built sometime in the fifties or sixties, if I remember right. I don't know the usual timetable on replacing schools, but after fifty or sixty years it was probably due for an upgrade anyways.

An upgrade from brick mortar and steel to carbon fiber?

I live in a 200 year old stone house.

We have granite countertops, copper plumbing and central air/heat.

We didn't have to tear down the building to upgrade.

We even have 'lectricity and the interweb wired in every room.

Are you a lobbyist for the school construction corporation?

Or maybe one of those people who leases a new car every 2 years, buys a new cell phone every other month.......



If the school was built in 1960, then it probably wasn't built to the same standards and with the same durable materials as a stone home built 200 years ago.
 
2013-10-15 12:19:15 PM

CokeBear: The structure was from the 60s. Time to build a new one anyway. New school might be a few years early, but its not like they're tearing down a brand new structure.


School I attended in the 1980's was built in the 1930's (with later additions).  It's still being used as a school as we speak.
 
2013-10-15 12:20:30 PM

Giltric: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Massively Multiplayer Addict: Are they really demolishing it just because a gunman went on a rampage there and put some bullet holes in the walls? Or did it need to be replaced anyway?

The school was built sometime in the fifties or sixties, if I remember right. I don't know the usual timetable on replacing schools, but after fifty or sixty years it was probably due for an upgrade anyways.

An upgrade from brick mortar and steel to carbon fiber?

I live in a 200 year old stone house.

We have granite countertops, copper plumbing and central air/heat.

We didn't have to tear down the building to upgrade.

We even have 'lectricity and the interweb wired in every room.

Are you a lobbyist for the school construction corporation?

Or maybe one of those people who leases a new car every 2 years, buys a new cell phone every other month.......


If you're keeping 200 to a thousand kids in your house some ten hours a day five days a week, plus feeding them and letting them play, I think we need to have a talk.
 
2013-10-15 12:21:15 PM
This will in no way encourage conspiracy theorists.
 
2013-10-15 12:21:31 PM

KhamanV: Giltric: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Massively Multiplayer Addict: Are they really demolishing it just because a gunman went on a rampage there and put some bullet holes in the walls? Or did it need to be replaced anyway?

The school was built sometime in the fifties or sixties, if I remember right. I don't know the usual timetable on replacing schools, but after fifty or sixty years it was probably due for an upgrade anyways.

An upgrade from brick mortar and steel to carbon fiber?

I live in a 200 year old stone house.

We have granite countertops, copper plumbing and central air/heat.

We didn't have to tear down the building to upgrade.

We even have 'lectricity and the interweb wired in every room.

Are you a lobbyist for the school construction corporation?

Or maybe one of those people who leases a new car every 2 years, buys a new cell phone every other month.......

If you're keeping 200 to a thousand kids in your house some ten hours a day five days a week, plus feeding them and letting them play, I think we need to have a talk.


We can talk in the basement. I have some popsicles down there.....
 
2013-10-15 12:21:31 PM

dittybopper: CokeBear: The structure was from the 60s. Time to build a new one anyway. New school might be a few years early, but its not like they're tearing down a brand new structure.

School I attended in the 1980's was built in the 1930's (with later additions).  It's still being used as a school as we speak.


Nothing like a little asbestos to keep your lungs working hard for you every day.
 
2013-10-15 12:24:35 PM
I also think the entire idea of demolishing the school is idiotic.  Spend some money on renovations, sure... make it look different, new paint, new carpet, new light fixtures, furniture...  Maybe knock down a few walls over there, and put up a few new ones over there.... a little bit of rearranging, and done.
 
2013-10-15 12:30:29 PM
It's not your tax dollars.  WTF do you care?
 
2013-10-15 12:33:16 PM
Town voters last month accepted to piss away a state grant of $49.3 million in tax dollars to demolish the school and build a new one.
 
2013-10-15 12:34:56 PM

Rapmaster2000: It's not your tax dollars.  WTF do you care?


Because to some people, taxes willingly spent anywhere in the world that don't affect them are an affront to their delicate sensibilities.
 
2013-10-15 12:35:39 PM

groppet: So now every bad place needs to be demolished?

And it does seem stupid just to rebuild it on the same spot.


To keep them from becoming ghoulish tourist attractions?  Yes.
 
2013-10-15 12:37:10 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque:If your family was brutally murdered in your car, would you get a new car or just rip out the carpet and wipe down the windows?

You'd sell the car, not trash it and buy a brand new one. And a public school is not a monument to your private tragedy no matter how horrible. It's a building paid for by taxpayers. If there had been a vote on the demolition it'd be different.

This is the equivalent of having a kid drown in a swimming pool, filling it in with dirt, and then paying to have the dirt removed. Somehow everything is better?


I think the community doesnt want to sell it to someone and suddenly have it be a guided museum or haunted house for Halloween. They don't want people releasing photos of bullet holes on the walls and turning them into snarky memes about gun control. The surviving children and staff probably have PTSD. It happened to the entire school. It's amazing they can walk into any building at all, let alone try to make them learn fractions in a classroom that the last time they saw there were bullet-ridden bodies of 5 and 6 year olds on the ground.

Besides that do we know that the building is perfectly usable? Maybe they want to install massive security measures and the cost of remodeling/rewiring/reconfiguring was not that far from just starting all over again.
 
2013-10-15 12:41:17 PM

GBB: SpectroBoy: Mega Steve: Walker: The whole thing is stupid. If they were going to demolish and build a park there or something, OK, I understand you don't want a school there anymore after what happened. But what's the point of spending $49 million to demolish the school, just to rebuild the school in the exact same spot???

It's the only way to get all the pesky ghosts to leave

Silly, the ghosts are attached to the ground. Not the structure.

They are like mineral rights.

Mineral Spirits?


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2013-10-15 12:41:19 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Clemkadidlefark: A strong people, a people strong in heart, mind and spirit do not Memorialize grief. They pass through it, piss on the headstone of what caused the grief and - to use a favorite phrase of grief-mongers - move on. Instead of getting over it and moving on, they never let a good crisis go to waste.

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I seem to remember a fuss earlier this week, about people unwilling to get over their grief being allowed access to memorial the second picture.


The first pic is nothing like the second two pics. It epitomizes what the OP was saying. Look at it, it is like a wound that is kept permanently unhealed and forever bleeding out.
 
2013-10-15 12:45:02 PM

CokeBear: The structure was from the 60s. Time to build a new one anyway. New school might be a few years early, but its not like they're tearing down a brand new structure.


You think a building from the 60s is old? By that logic they should demolish 90% of the buildings in and around NY city. It's just a wild guess but I'd bet more than half the schools in this country are older than that.
 
2013-10-15 12:45:13 PM

dittybopper: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Clemkadidlefark: A strong people, a people strong in heart, mind and spirit do not Memorialize grief. They pass through it, piss on the headstone of what caused the grief and - to use a favorite phrase of grief-mongers - move on. Instead of getting over it and moving on, they never let a good crisis go to waste.

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I seem to remember a fuss earlier this week, about people unwilling to get over their grief being allowed access to memorial the second picture.

You should choose your pictures more carefully.  The first one is actually pretty damned symbolic of what  Clemkadidlefark was trying to say.  Instead of having a couple of wet holes in the farking ground, we should have rebuilt the towers to look visually identical to the ones destroyed, but of course with the improvements necessary to bring them up to modern standards, and to have the names of those who died in each building engraved on plaques at the base of the individual towers.

That would have been the biggest "Fark *YOU*!" to those who destroyed them in the first place.


Thank you. I so wanted them to rebuild the towers. As it is, it just shows the terrorists they've one as we are too scared to defy them.
 
2013-10-15 12:45:55 PM
The Consiglieri is the general contractor.    You don't follow the rules, we're not going to see you no more.
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2013-10-15 12:51:29 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: groppet: So now every bad place needs to be demolished?

And it does seem stupid just to rebuild it on the same spot.

If your family was brutally murdered in your car, would you get a new car or just rip out the carpet and wipe down the windows?


I would probably get new seats too.
 
2013-10-15 12:52:32 PM

CokeBear: dittybopper: CokeBear: The structure was from the 60s. Time to build a new one anyway. New school might be a few years early, but its not like they're tearing down a brand new structure.

School I attended in the 1980's was built in the 1930's (with later additions).  It's still being used as a school as we speak.

Nothing like a little asbestos to keep your lungs working hard for you every day.


See, thing about asbestos is, if you don't disturb it, it doesn't hurt you.  It has to be in the actual air in order to cause a problem.

Otherwise, we'd have epidemics of asbestosis and other related ailments among everyone who went to school from, what, 1900 through the 1980's, and we just don't see that.
 
2013-10-15 12:53:43 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: groppet: So now every bad place needs to be demolished?

And it does seem stupid just to rebuild it on the same spot.

If your family was brutally murdered in your car, would you get a new car or just rip out the carpet and wipe down the windows?


you know how I know you were car-schooled?
 
2013-10-15 12:54:59 PM

George Babbitt: The first pic is nothing like the second two pics. It epitomizes what the OP was saying. Look at it, it is like a wound that is kept permanently unhealed and forever bleeding out.


Yep.  It's farking *AWFUL*.  The best memorial to those who died would have been to rebuild the towers, and to dedicate them to those who lost their lives.
 
2013-10-15 01:01:58 PM

Dwight_Yeast: groppet: So now every bad place needs to be demolished?

And it does seem stupid just to rebuild it on the same spot.

To keep them from becoming ghoulish tourist attractions?  Yes.


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Oh we wouldn't want to do that! That'd just be in poor taste.
 
2013-10-15 01:02:18 PM

hailin: Thank you. I so wanted them to rebuild the towers. As it is, it just shows the terrorists they've one as we are too scared to defy them.


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They did that too. My issue was with "strong people do not memorialize grief." If you're making the argument that New York isn't strong, then go right ahead, but we memorialize grief all the time, from the waterfalls of 9/11 to the gravestone for your deceased grandfather.
 
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2013-10-15 01:02:22 PM

here to help: Turn it into low income apartments for the disabled. Retrofitted schools make great buildings for gimps.

This is just wasteful.

You are supposed to overcome tragedy. Not let it consume you to the point of irrationality.

Oh wait... I forgot. This is "BOMB THE F*CK OUT OF EVERYTHING BECAUSE SOME GUYS CRASHED PLANES INTO A BUILDING!!!11onezorzzz" America.

Carry on.


Can't have children catching sight of the poor, why won't anyone think of the property values.
 
2013-10-15 01:12:36 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: They did that too. My issue was with "strong people do not memorialize grief." If you're making the argument that New York isn't strong, then go right ahead


NYC is a police state, run by a billionaire who is a vocal advocate and defender of racial-profiling.  NYC can't handle people demonstrating against Wall Street without turning into a banana republic and abusing protestors.  It's a plutocracy, kept in check by corrupt bureaucrats and unions in the pockets of the financial sector, while the masses are distracted by freak shows and bright lights.  It is America, summed up quite nicely.

I refuse to call that strong.
 
2013-10-15 01:31:41 PM

xcv: Can't have children catching sight of the poor, why won't anyone think of the property values.


Th disabled tend to be a more socially acceptable type of poor. However I find many of them to be just as gutter trashy as ghetto clowns.

This has become more apparent now that I have joined their ranks and must live amongst them. There is a real tendency for disabled folks to have a severe chip on their shoulder and a sense of being owed something. And by owed something I do not mean the usual stuff like proper assistance and housing. That should most definitely be provided and in fact more than is currently given. But some want extremely unreasonable sh*t and gnash, wail, sue, act like general pricks to get it.

I try to be a good little gimp and appreciate my pittance and stay the f*ck out of the way of norms as much as possible. I have no patience for fat, obnoxious f*cks in scooters blocking everyone's path and bellowing orders at people when most of them could bloody well do whatever it is they're bellowing about.

As for the people yammering about how buildings from the 50's/60's being unsafe/out of date/should be destroyed... you are f*cking crazy. I used to work in construction/renovations and buildings from that era are solid. The most they MAY need are some retrofits but that was around the time insulated copper wiring started being used so many times even the electrical is passable (it's aluminum and bare wire sh*t that needs to be yanked). There MAY be grounding issues and the need for polarized three pronged outlets installed and GFCIs for kitchen/bathrooms/laundry rooms but that is all very easy and not very costly to do compared to a total demolish/rebuild project.

The structures of those buildings are FAR better than the claptraps that get built today. They may not be as pretty but they have... as they say in the real estate/reno industries "good bones". I hate seeing buildings like that torn down over stupid sh*t.
 
2013-10-15 01:38:17 PM

groppet: So now every bad place needs to be demolished?

And it does seem stupid just to rebuild it on the same spot.


Especially in light of the potential Poltergeist problems.
 
2013-10-15 01:57:33 PM

Mega Steve: Walker: The whole thing is stupid. If they were going to demolish and build a park there or something, OK, I understand you don't want a school there anymore after what happened. But what's the point of spending $49 million to demolish the school, just to rebuild the school in the exact same spot???

It's the only way to get all the pesky ghosts to leave



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I think they are actualy tied to the property. All demoing the building does is piss them off.
 
2013-10-15 02:13:48 PM

Fark It: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: They did that too. My issue was with "strong people do not memorialize grief." If you're making the argument that New York isn't strong, then go right ahead

NYC is a police state, run by a billionaire who is a vocal advocate and defender of racial-profiling.  NYC can't handle people demonstrating against Wall Street without turning into a banana republic and abusing protestors.  It's a plutocracy, kept in check by corrupt bureaucrats and unions in the pockets of the financial sector, while the masses are distracted by freak shows and bright lights.  It is America, summed up quite nicely.

I refuse to call that strong.


It's a whorehouse where the revolutionary ideals of our forefathers are corrupted and sold in the alleys by vendors of capitalism....
 
2013-10-15 02:32:24 PM
And to sum up... get your own damned states/municipalities in order before pointing your dirty little fingers at other areas that have been at least semi successful at solving crime and racial issues. The people of NYC are NOT happy about the racial profiling crap and are trying to change it. The difference is they are actually TRYING and will likely be successful. In many areas where people are flipping out about it happening in NYC would LOVE to see racial profiling coded into law in their areas. Perhaps they are just jealous they have to do all that dirty stuff on the down low.

As I said. Disingenuous.
 
2013-10-15 02:34:31 PM
I'm leaving now. Sorry, mods. Had to be done.
 
2013-10-15 02:43:13 PM

here to help: And to sum up... get your own damned states/municipalities in order before pointing your dirty little fingers at other areas that have been at least semi successful at solving crime and racial issues.


What a joke.

The difference is they are actually TRYING and will likely be successful. In many areas where people are flipping out about it happening in NYC would LOVE to see racial profiling coded into law in their areas.

We do, it's called the 4th and 14th Amendments.

Perhaps they are just jealous

There's that superiority complex again.  So superior and enlightened, with that racial-profiling going on.
 
2013-10-15 02:49:38 PM
You are assuming I live in NYC. I live in a small town. So much hate, my friend. Your troll has been unraveled. Just accept it and move on. I'm sure you'll be successful some day. Keep at it, slugger.
 
2013-10-15 02:53:51 PM

here to help: You are assuming I live in NYC. I live in a small town. So much hate, my friend. Your troll has been unraveled. Just accept it and move on. I'm sure you'll be successful some day. Keep at it, slugger.


So, you don't even live there, but whenever someone hurls criticism at anything or anyone liberal, you have to defend them, because obviously that person is concern-trolling, and is really just a small-town, redneck, conformist, religious zealot, amirite?
 
2013-10-15 03:05:57 PM
This is just getting sad. Drop the act. I've already seen you break character too many times in the past to believe this crap. You really aren't very good at this and from what I've seen of you being normal you're alright. Just go with that. Trolling is stupid.
 
2013-10-15 03:08:10 PM

here to help: You really aren't very good at this and from what I've seen of you being normal you're alright. Just go with that. Trolling is stupid.


Well, I haven't called anyone names, nor "asked any questions," and I've managed to get a bunch of your posts deleted.  It's not trolling if you jump into the boat and start flopping around at my feet.
 
2013-10-15 03:14:36 PM

Fark It: here to help: You really aren't very good at this and from what I've seen of you being normal you're alright. Just go with that. Trolling is stupid.

Well, I haven't called anyone names, nor "asked any questions," and I've managed to get a bunch of your posts deleted.  It's not trolling if you jump into the boat and start flopping around at my feet.


You aren't familiar with my personal brand, are you? I'd say you were the one doing the flopping, my friend. I believe what I say but add a little extra spice just to draw out the ultra derp from the trolls and idiots like I did here. You could not keep up.

Like I said. You are not very good at this. Be genuine. I find that more interesting.
 
2013-10-15 03:47:19 PM
We shoulda torn it down too?


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2013-10-15 04:21:45 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The school was built sometime in the fifties or sixties, if I remember right. I don't know the usual timetable on replacing schools, but after fifty or sixty years it was probably due for an upgrade anyways.


Yeah, Now all schools have their windows at the top of the wall so kids cant look outside during class, but still get sunlight.
 
2013-10-15 04:23:27 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: from the waterfalls of 9/11 to the

...

...Gift shop built inside the 9/11 memorial?
 
2013-10-15 04:59:31 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque:If your family was brutally murdered in your car, would you get a new car or just rip out the carpet and wipe down the windows?

You'd sell the car, not trash it and buy a brand new one. And a public school is not a monument to your private tragedy no matter how horrible. It's a building paid for by taxpayers. If there had been a vote on the demolition it'd be different.

This is the equivalent of having a kid drown in a swimming pool, filling it in with dirt, and then paying to have the dirt removed. Somehow everything is better?


Dude, leave the dirt in there..

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2013-10-15 05:06:59 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: groppet: So now every bad place needs to be demolished?

And it does seem stupid just to rebuild it on the same spot.

If your family was brutally murdered in your car, would you get a new car or just rip out the carpet and wipe down the windows?


I'd call Winston Wolfe. He takes care of problems.
 
2013-10-15 05:08:08 PM

fluffy2097: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: from the waterfalls of 9/11 to the...

...Gift shop built inside the 9/11 memorial?


No, they need to install rides:

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2013-10-15 05:09:20 PM

lycanth: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: groppet: So now every bad place needs to be demolished?

And it does seem stupid just to rebuild it on the same spot.

If your family was brutally murdered in your car, would you get a new car or just rip out the carpet and wipe down the windows?

I'd call Winston Wolfe. He takes care of problems.


Nah, what they did in the movie was cosmetic only -- it'd smell pretty rank after a day or two.
 
2013-10-15 05:23:25 PM

jshine: No, they need to install rides:


How would you make the entire towers go up and down though?
 
2013-10-15 05:32:24 PM

fluffy2097: jshine: No, they need to install rides:

How would you make the entire towers go up and down though?


You wouldn't have to -- just make the part you're inside of (and can see) go up and down.  You know -- get strapped to an "office chair" and sent on a controlled-drop, just like on the Disney ride.  You could even have false "windows" that project images of the ground rushing up at you.

Its not quite the same, but would still get a reaction I'm sure.
 
2013-10-15 06:51:35 PM

dittybopper: CokeBear: The structure was from the 60s. Time to build a new one anyway. New school might be a few years early, but its not like they're tearing down a brand new structure.

School I attended in the 1980's was built in the 1930's (with later additions).  It's still being used as a school as we speak.


Yep, school I went to in the 1980s was built in the 1920s, partially blown up in the 1950s (terrorist attack), bombed out parts rebuilt, and renovated in the 1990s, with things like insulation, air conditioning, and replacing the coal boiler with natural gas.  It's still in use, parts of it from the 1920s, and it's easily solid enough to last another hundred years.  It's brick and concrete, which is what schools are typically built from.

So yeah, it's an unbelievably stupid waste of tax money to tear down a school built in the 1960s to build a new one.  Bullet holes in concrete block are easy to patch.
 
2013-10-15 07:35:49 PM

KhamanV: The old school no longer met modern building code standards.  Fixing the existing school would be just as expensive, because they would be bound to those new standards.  Making it into low cost housing would meet the same issue.

Before you bring in 'they didn't tear down Columbine!!!' they did gut out the entire library area and make it a memorial instead.


That was actually going to be MY Point.  They didn't demolish Columbine, but they did gut the LIbrary, and IIRC, they made it the new cafeteria.  They also changed the sound the sound the fire alarms made.
 
2013-10-15 07:57:18 PM

DarkVader: Bullet holes in concrete block are easy to patch.


Removing Asbestos and continuing to use the structure however, costs a fortune. when compared to building a new brick shiathouse to jail your children in.
 
2013-10-15 08:16:01 PM

fluffy2097: DarkVader: Bullet holes in concrete block are easy to patch.

Removing Asbestos and continuing to use the structure however, costs a fortune. when compared to building a new brick shiathouse to jail your children in.


You've got to remove it if you tear it down, so you get no win there.  If you don't tear it down, you can leave the asbestos in place if it's not degrading.
 
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