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(Hot Air)   Warning: There are many fake Obamacare websites out there trying to scam you out of your personal info. You can tell it's a fake if the website actually works   (hotair.com) divider line 16
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507 clicks; posted to Politics » on 15 Oct 2013 at 2:24 PM (40 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-10-15 03:24:45 PM
2 votes:

Mithiwithi: Headso: Democrats should just say the reason the sites aren't working well is because of the republican shutdown.

The more subtle version, which I have seen, is "the sites aren't working well because they were contracted out to private firms". Not everything can be spun as anti-Republican, but if that fails, it can always be spun as pro-big-government.

/my own spin is "it's a huge system designed to serve tens of millions of end users and interface with dozens of disparate partners whose core competency isn't technology, with little opportunity for advance testing; it's a wonder it worked at all on release".


And so, much like the bill itself, a half baked POS is all we get for 600 Million dollars. Nice job.
2013-10-15 03:06:53 PM
2 votes:

red5ish: I wouldn't be surprised if the scammers are Republicans, attempting to cause more trouble. They have been known to do this kind of thing.


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2013-10-15 02:40:16 PM
2 votes:
Just like all the those phishing with bank websites in your email?

CAPITALISM BAD!
2013-10-15 04:32:52 PM
1 votes:
Mithiwithi:
Show me the private-sector major release that did any better.

Grand Theft Auto V. Launched at the same time as Obamacare.

Yep.

The "disaster" of GTA V still managed to let people log on, still managed to let most people play the game, and had most of its problems worked out in less than a week. There were glitches, but nothing on the scale of the near-100% failure rate of O-Care's main site. They currently host something between 3 and 5 million players at a time. Two weeks after launch.

The other "big disaster' of the same week - Final Fantasy XIV:ARR - "failed" in "only" letting half of the 1 million initial subscribers on at one time, until they bought more server space and patched some bugs. It currently handles up to a million concurrent users at once, and runs smooth as hell. It also officially launched the same time as Obamacare's site, and handles much, MUCH more traffic and concurrent users. Again, two weeks after launch.

Two weeks after launch, Obamacare's current estimate is "two weeks to two months." In other words, they have no idea when it will start working, if at all.

Of course, the question most people didn't ask was "why did they push the single-day launch of a nationwide, massive, complicated site that upwards of 30 million people will have to access - by law - instead of doing a staged rollout based on something like the last digit of your Social Security number, over the course of a couple of months?"

They were told, many times, by their own consulting firms and the insurance companies, that it was not going to work, and that it was just a disaster waiting to happen, but they decided that "failure was not an option," and... failed.
2013-10-15 04:22:09 PM
1 votes:

ole prophet: Fold your hand, admit it was a mistake to call, and live play another hand.


Democrats don't listen to this guy's "concern", double down and say it would have been a flawless release if not for the republican shutdown. In 2013 in the world of politics you absolutely do not say anything that does not 100% push whatever agenda you are trying to move. Republicans learned this around the early 90s with Rush Limbaugh. Democrats can't seem to get it they get all embarrassed and ashamed when they are wrong, like they are little kids at a spelling bee or something.
2013-10-15 04:03:36 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: I chuckle'd.

Also, is the website still down or is the signup a-ok now?


Why don't you see for yourself?

/It's been up every time I've been there
//But I can't say for the pages you can't access until you're 2/3rds of the way through the registration process
2013-10-15 04:01:24 PM
1 votes:

Headso: Elegy: Show me the private sector major release that invested half a billion dollars in a system that doesn't work.


Myspace was founded in 2003 and was acquired by News Corporation in July 2005 for $580 million?


So it was released 2 years after it was founded?  And how much did the failure of Myspace cost the US taxpayer?  Obamacare is the biggest social engineering clusterfark in the history of the republic.  Stop defending it and start fixing it.
2013-10-15 03:58:03 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: Show me the private sector major release that invested half a billion dollars in a system that doesn't work.



Myspace was founded in 2003 and was acquired by News Corporation in July 2005 for $580 million?
2013-10-15 03:43:41 PM
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mithiwithi: Headso: Democrats should just say the reason the sites aren't working well is because of the republican shutdown.

The more subtle version, which I have seen, is "the sites aren't working well because they were contracted out to private firms". Not everything can be spun as anti-Republican, but if that fails, it can always be spun as pro-big-government.

/my own spin is "it's a huge system designed to serve tens of millions of end users and interface with dozens of disparate partners whose core competency isn't technology, with little opportunity for advance testing; it's a wonder it worked at all on release".

And so, much like the bill itself, a half baked POS is all we get for 600 Million dollars. Nice job.


Show me the private-sector major release that did any better. No, Google and Facebook don't count, they had the better part of a decade to scale to their present volume.
2013-10-15 03:29:48 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: coeyagi: dittybopper: Great_Milenko: red5ish: I wouldn't be surprised if the scammers are Republicans, attempting to cause more trouble. They have been known to do this kind of thing.

Nah, the RNC has no idea how the internet works.

Apparently, neither does the Obama administration...

Just curious, does the Administration including the guy hired by the guy hired by the guy hired by the guy hired by Obama?

You know, a rather famous Democratic president once had this sign on his desk:

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Ok, so derp.  If someone f*cks up at the FDA and a drug gets recalled because they didn't do their job in scrutinizing clinical trial data, Obama should resign / be impeached / admit blame?

//c'mon, dude, you just knew I was going to assf*ck your sh*tty logic. You should have just walked away.
2013-10-15 03:25:41 PM
1 votes:

coeyagi: dittybopper: Great_Milenko: red5ish: I wouldn't be surprised if the scammers are Republicans, attempting to cause more trouble. They have been known to do this kind of thing.

Nah, the RNC has no idea how the internet works.

Apparently, neither does the Obama administration...

Just curious, does the Administration including the guy hired by the guy hired by the guy hired by the guy hired by Obama?


You know, a rather famous Democratic president once had this sign on his desk:

pixel.nymag.com
2013-10-15 03:19:30 PM
1 votes:

Mithiwithi: Headso: Democrats should just say the reason the sites aren't working well is because of the republican shutdown.

The more subtle version, which I have seen, is "the sites aren't working well because they were contracted out to private firms". Not everything can be spun as anti-Republican, but if that fails, it can always be spun as pro-big-government.

/my own spin is "it's a huge system designed to serve tens of millions of end users and interface with dozens of disparate partners whose core competency isn't technology, with little opportunity for advance testing; it's a wonder it worked at all on release".


your own spin is too complicated, by the 8th word people are thinking about what they are having for dinner while you finish the rest of the sentence. "It's because republicans shutdown the government" is short and sweet and then the republicans can have their say and then the media can report both sides of the story without actually looking for the truth because reporting the truth can appear like bias.
2013-10-15 03:15:50 PM
1 votes:

cirby: Apparently, when they were rushing this debacle to release, they sorta forgot some security.

They leave open cookies on your computer, for example, which makes it a lot easier for the bad guys to get your O-Care login info.

They also completely omitted some external site verification work, and didn't bother with things like login lockouts after a certain number of failed login attempts.

 
Meh, those are typically overblown concerns that security contractors use to make it look like they're doing something.  If the hacker's reading your cookies you're in trouble for a million other reasons.

Most people aren't going to log in to their Obamacare account frequently enough to remember what obscure complexity rules it had within 3 guesses.

The lockout thing is to prevent a brute force attack on your account.  Time delays (like those inherent into the web site's bad design) are just as good of a way to deal with that.
2013-10-15 03:12:27 PM
1 votes:

Headso: Democrats should just say the reason the sites aren't working well is because of the republican shutdown.


The more subtle version, which I have seen, is "the sites aren't working well because they were contracted out to private firms". Not everything can be spun as anti-Republican, but if that fails, it can always be spun as pro-big-government.

/my own spin is "it's a huge system designed to serve tens of millions of end users and interface with dozens of disparate partners whose core competency isn't technology, with little opportunity for advance testing; it's a wonder it worked at all on release".
2013-10-15 03:11:14 PM
1 votes:
I live in Oklahoma and today I finally decided to try and login to find coverage.  I'm self employed, but get coverage thru my wife's job so I'm not looking because I have to, but because i'd like to know my options.

My first time trying to login I used google chrome and the website would not work at all full stop.

Next I used to regular Internet explorer and everything worked just fine. It took me about 30-40 minutes to fill everything out, the whole application and everything.

Right now my application status is "In Progress."  I did the little online chat window to ask when I would be getting coverage prices and options and they said my application will be processed soon and they will send me an email.

Pretty farking simple really
2013-10-15 02:58:46 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: If any of this is true, it's because of private contractors and therefore a flaw of capitalism


That seems like a good blow off kinda response to some teabagger wanting to end Obamacare because the site is farked up. Are people supposed to give some kind of well thought out response to the teabaggers? I mean come on, look where the article goes to.
 
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