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(Hot Air)   Warning: There are many fake Obamacare websites out there trying to scam you out of your personal info. You can tell it's a fake if the website actually works   (hotair.com) divider line 75
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2013-10-15 03:53:41 PM

Mithiwithi: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mithiwithi: Headso: Democrats should just say the reason the sites aren't working well is because of the republican shutdown.

The more subtle version, which I have seen, is "the sites aren't working well because they were contracted out to private firms". Not everything can be spun as anti-Republican, but if that fails, it can always be spun as pro-big-government.

/my own spin is "it's a huge system designed to serve tens of millions of end users and interface with dozens of disparate partners whose core competency isn't technology, with little opportunity for advance testing; it's a wonder it worked at all on release".

And so, much like the bill itself, a half baked POS is all we get for 600 Million dollars. Nice job.

Show me the private-sector major release that did any better. No, Google and Facebook don't count, they had the better part of a decade to scale to their present volume.


Show me the private sector major release that invested half a billion dollars in a system that doesn't work.
 
2013-10-15 03:55:41 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: red5ish: I wouldn't be surprised if the scammers are Republicans, attempting to cause more trouble. They have been known to do this kind of thing.


failed troll is a failure
 
2013-10-15 03:58:03 PM

Elegy: Show me the private sector major release that invested half a billion dollars in a system that doesn't work.



Myspace was founded in 2003 and was acquired by News Corporation in July 2005 for $580 million?
 
2013-10-15 03:58:15 PM
Would chuckle again.
 
2013-10-15 04:01:24 PM

Headso: Elegy: Show me the private sector major release that invested half a billion dollars in a system that doesn't work.


Myspace was founded in 2003 and was acquired by News Corporation in July 2005 for $580 million?


So it was released 2 years after it was founded?  And how much did the failure of Myspace cost the US taxpayer?  Obamacare is the biggest social engineering clusterfark in the history of the republic.  Stop defending it and start fixing it.
 
2013-10-15 04:02:01 PM

Headso: Elegy: Show me the private sector major release that invested half a billion dollars in a system that doesn't work.


Myspace was founded in 2003 and was acquired by News Corporation in July 2005 for $580 million?


Youtube. $1.65 billion in less than a year.
 
2013-10-15 04:02:07 PM
I saw this a couple days ago and I'm quite baffled about John McAfee's position.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/10/11/obamacare-site-ripe-hackers-com pu ter-safety-expert-john-mcafee-warns


It doesn't sound like something a security professional would say. It could cost you your life savings by signing up for Obamacare, HACKERS! (oh you mean they aren't hackers? just scam artists setting up a website real quick? social engineering?)
-also-
CGI hired a company from India and they are using Javascript to program on your computer!!! Uhhh wtf?

Did Fox get him to come on the air and say something filled in with some scary words so he could get a free promotion of his NSA blocking device?
 
2013-10-15 04:02:11 PM

Headso: Elegy: Show me the private sector major release that invested half a billion dollars in a system that doesn't work.


Myspace was founded in 2003 and was acquired by News Corporation in July 2005 for $580 million?


The republican party isn't private sector.
 
2013-10-15 04:03:16 PM

Otto_E_Rodika: Headso: Elegy: Show me the private sector major release that invested half a billion dollars in a system that doesn't work.


Myspace was founded in 2003 and was acquired by News Corporation in July 2005 for $580 million?

So it was released 2 years after it was founded?  And how much did the failure of Myspace cost the US taxpayer?  Obamacare is the biggest social engineering clusterfark in the history of the republic.  Stop defending it and start fixing it.


It's farked up only because of the republican shutdown.
 
2013-10-15 04:03:28 PM

jaytkay: super_grass: I don't recall any acts of executive bad-assery by Truman.

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It is estimated that those two bombs saved over 250,00 lives and upwards of 2 million wounded (both soldiers and civilians) by eliminating the need to invade mainland Japan (Operation Overlord) and having the war drag on for another 2 years.  For which I think Truman should have been awarded the Peace Prize.
 
2013-10-15 04:03:36 PM

super_grass: I chuckle'd.

Also, is the website still down or is the signup a-ok now?


Why don't you see for yourself?

/It's been up every time I've been there
//But I can't say for the pages you can't access until you're 2/3rds of the way through the registration process
 
2013-10-15 04:05:30 PM
Obvious tag is furloughed?
 
2013-10-15 04:10:53 PM

Otto_E_Rodika: Headso: Elegy: Show me the private sector major release that invested half a billion dollars in a system that doesn't work.


Myspace was founded in 2003 and was acquired by News Corporation in July 2005 for $580 million?

So it was released 2 years after it was founded?  And how much did the failure of Myspace cost the US taxpayer?  Obamacare is the biggest social engineering clusterfark in the history of the republic.  Stop defending it and start fixing it.


WaPo, NYT, and Gawker are all calling it a failed launch. You are being a partisan hack if you aren't admitting this was a complete failure (the site that is). There are more issues that are going to hit next year. Just start telling people the cost for no insurance and route them to ehealth.com. The more you keep saying there isn't an issue, the worse the blowback will be. Fold your hand, admit it was a mistake to call, and live play another hand.
 
2013-10-15 04:14:49 PM

Brick-House: jaytkay: super_grass: I don't recall any acts of executive bad-assery by Truman.

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It is estimated that those two bombs saved over 250,00 lives and upwards of 2 million wounded (both soldiers and civilians) by eliminating the need to invade mainland Japan (Operation Overlord) and having the war drag on for another 2 years.  For which I think Truman should have been awarded the Peace Prize.


I love how super_grass tried to call me on it, saying they don't recall any acts of executive bad-assery, when objectively, Truman is one of the most bad-ass presidents we've had in the last 100 years.

Just signing the order to desegregate the military in 1948 should have been enough.
 
2013-10-15 04:21:26 PM

ole prophet: You are being a partisan hack if you aren't admitting this was a complete failure (the site that is).


It's not a complete failure. Claiming that just shows you are decided long ago to hate Obamacare.

I signed up and looked at my options.

I haven't picked a plan yet, because there's no rush, the deadline is in December and the insurance starts in January.
 
2013-10-15 04:22:09 PM

ole prophet: Fold your hand, admit it was a mistake to call, and live play another hand.


Democrats don't listen to this guy's "concern", double down and say it would have been a flawless release if not for the republican shutdown. In 2013 in the world of politics you absolutely do not say anything that does not 100% push whatever agenda you are trying to move. Republicans learned this around the early 90s with Rush Limbaugh. Democrats can't seem to get it they get all embarrassed and ashamed when they are wrong, like they are little kids at a spelling bee or something.
 
2013-10-15 04:23:55 PM

jaytkay: super_grass: I don't recall any acts of executive bad-assery by Truman.

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No, dropping nuclear bombs on two civilian cities of a prostrate Japan was not badass.

dittybopper: super_grass: Did he actually follow through with it? I don't recall any acts of executive bad-assery by Truman.

He integrated the US Military, ending segregation by executive order.  And despite the Dixiecrats (racist Southern Democrats), he did it 100 days before his re-election.

Other examples of his executive bad-assery:

Berlin Airlift.

Dismissed the most popular military man in the US, General Douglas MacArthur.


Those sure as hell were, though.
 
2013-10-15 04:25:22 PM

cirby: ManateeGag:
Par for the course for hackers, but I'm sure this is somehow another reason Obamacare is bad.

Apparently, when they were rushing this debacle to release, they sorta forgot some security.

They leave open cookies on your computer, for example, which makes it a lot easier for the bad guys to get your O-Care login info.

They also completely omitted some external site verification work, and didn't bother with things like login lockouts after a certain number of failed login attempts.

Here's the fun part: If someone gets access to the badly-programmed Obamacare main servers, they also get free access to the Federal Data Services Hub, which allows full access to your IRS and Social Security records.

On a final note: After seeing how completely inept the HTML and JavaScript work was on the main site, you think they managed their internal site security worth a damn? There's probably an admin account with "GOD" as the password lurking in there...


that's what you get for going with the lowest bidder.
 
2013-10-15 04:26:08 PM

jaytkay: ole prophet: You are being a partisan hack if you aren't admitting this was a complete failure (the site that is).

It's not a complete failure. Claiming that just shows you are decided long ago to hate Obamacare.

I signed up and looked at my options.

I haven't picked a plan yet, because there's no rush, the deadline is in December and the insurance starts in January.


I'm surprised you left the last part of that quote when you picked that cherry; you must be new.
 
2013-10-15 04:32:52 PM
Mithiwithi:
Show me the private-sector major release that did any better.

Grand Theft Auto V. Launched at the same time as Obamacare.

Yep.

The "disaster" of GTA V still managed to let people log on, still managed to let most people play the game, and had most of its problems worked out in less than a week. There were glitches, but nothing on the scale of the near-100% failure rate of O-Care's main site. They currently host something between 3 and 5 million players at a time. Two weeks after launch.

The other "big disaster' of the same week - Final Fantasy XIV:ARR - "failed" in "only" letting half of the 1 million initial subscribers on at one time, until they bought more server space and patched some bugs. It currently handles up to a million concurrent users at once, and runs smooth as hell. It also officially launched the same time as Obamacare's site, and handles much, MUCH more traffic and concurrent users. Again, two weeks after launch.

Two weeks after launch, Obamacare's current estimate is "two weeks to two months." In other words, they have no idea when it will start working, if at all.

Of course, the question most people didn't ask was "why did they push the single-day launch of a nationwide, massive, complicated site that upwards of 30 million people will have to access - by law - instead of doing a staged rollout based on something like the last digit of your Social Security number, over the course of a couple of months?"

They were told, many times, by their own consulting firms and the insurance companies, that it was not going to work, and that it was just a disaster waiting to happen, but they decided that "failure was not an option," and... failed.
 
2013-10-15 04:36:40 PM
ManateeGag:
that's what you get for going with the lowest bidder.

That's what you get for going with a contract with only one bid.

Seriously - they only let one company bid on it. Non-competitive bidding process. And the company they selected has a history of screwing up large government contracts.

So for those people trying to blame this failure on capitalism, they really need to point their fingers at corporatism - which is not capitalism, by a long shot.
 
2013-10-15 04:43:18 PM

cirby: ManateeGag:
that's what you get for going with the lowest bidder.

That's what you get for going with a contract with only one bid.

Seriously - they only let one company bid on it. Non-competitive bidding process. And the company they selected has a history of screwing up large government contracts.

So for those people trying to blame this failure on capitalism, they really need to point their fingers at corporatism - which is not capitalism, by a long shot.


This.  $640 million for a web site that doesn't work is not "lowest bidder" territory.  Good old fashioned cronyism is what caused this problem.
 
2013-10-15 04:45:30 PM
Headso:
Democrats don't listen to this guy's "concern", double down and say it would have been a flawless release if not for the republican shutdown.

Heck, Kathleen Sibelius started laying that ground work back in April - she didn't wait for the shutdown (or even rumors of one) to start telling people it was the GOP's fault for not supporting the silly thing. That was right about the time she realized that it was a train wreck in progress.

Ezra Klein at the Washington Post already tried blaming the GOP too.
 
2013-10-15 04:47:59 PM

Elegy: Mithiwithi: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mithiwithi: Headso: Democrats should just say the reason the sites aren't working well is because of the republican shutdown.

The more subtle version, which I have seen, is "the sites aren't working well because they were contracted out to private firms". Not everything can be spun as anti-Republican, but if that fails, it can always be spun as pro-big-government.

/my own spin is "it's a huge system designed to serve tens of millions of end users and interface with dozens of disparate partners whose core competency isn't technology, with little opportunity for advance testing; it's a wonder it worked at all on release".

And so, much like the bill itself, a half baked POS is all we get for 600 Million dollars. Nice job.

Show me the private-sector major release that did any better. No, Google and Facebook don't count, they had the better part of a decade to scale to their present volume.

Show me the private sector major release that invested half a billion dollars in a system that doesn't work.


Now now, don't be so harsh with the facts.  It's not fair.
 
2013-10-15 04:57:42 PM

cirby: Headso:
Democrats don't listen to this guy's "concern", double down and say it would have been a flawless release if not for the republican shutdown.

Heck, Kathleen Sibelius started laying that ground work back in April - she didn't wait for the shutdown (or even rumors of one) to start telling people it was the GOP's fault for not supporting the silly thing. That was right about the time she realized that it was a train wreck in progress.

Ezra Klein at the Washington Post already tried blaming the GOP too.


They should all say that, when the media just reports "sides" without doing anything to find the truth there is no point in doing anything but just lie unless telling the truth happens to be better than whatever lie you could come up with.
 
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