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2013-10-15 07:16:20 AM
Ted Cruz:  10 gallons of douche in a 5 gallon bag.
 
2013-10-15 07:44:52 AM
If he really want to be the guy who forces the "nuclear option", he should object. Then we could be done with the idiotic no-filibuster filibuster crap once and for all
 
2013-10-15 07:58:07 AM
I think that if Cruz botches this deal then his own party might just decide to quietly murder him in the cloak room later in the day.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 08:16:58 AM

Weaver95: I think that if Cruz botches this deal then his own party might just decide to quietly murder him in the cloak room later in the day.


I wouldn't blame them.  He's going to cost them the House in 2014 I think.
 
2013-10-15 08:33:01 AM

vpb: Weaver95: I think that if Cruz botches this deal then his own party might just decide to quietly murder him in the cloak room later in the day.

I wouldn't blame them.  He's going to cost them the House in 2014 I think.


Has there been some sort of paradigm shift in the GOP position that I missed?  Last I heard, they all still thought they were winning this by such a landslide that they were going to ride their success into an impeachment of Obama.  I don't think that's changed, and I don't think the "moderate" GOP candidates have suddenly found a set of balls to share.
 
2013-10-15 08:36:37 AM

born_yesterday: vpb: Weaver95: I think that if Cruz botches this deal then his own party might just decide to quietly murder him in the cloak room later in the day.

I wouldn't blame them.  He's going to cost them the House in 2014 I think.

Has there been some sort of paradigm shift in the GOP position that I missed?  Last I heard, they all still thought they were winning this by such a landslide that they were going to ride their success into an impeachment of Obama.  I don't think that's changed, and I don't think the "moderate" GOP candidates have suddenly found a set of balls to share.


As we get closer to the debt ceiling the moderate and older republicans start sounding less like, "ummm, yeah, excuse me, ummm, could we maybe, ummmm, not piss off the whole country" and more like "No Cruz, you need to sit down, shut up, and let the grown ups talk."

Unfortunately it might be too late. They let the kids run amok for too long and now it's past bedtime and the kids are wide awake and bouncing off the walls.
 
2013-10-15 08:37:04 AM
The leader of the Republican party has less than 1 year of job experience. Half of our government is being led by a petulant rookie. Have a nice day.
 
2013-10-15 08:37:32 AM

vpb: Weaver95: I think that if Cruz botches this deal then his own party might just decide to quietly murder him in the cloak room later in the day.

I wouldn't blame them.  He's going to cost them the House in 2014 I think.


Look at SC-01.  They elected Mark Sanford.  AFTER he did his affair.  There's enough gerrymandered districts to keep the party in the majority, even if just barely.
 
2013-10-15 08:37:43 AM
Will Cruz stop the bi-partisan Senate Bill with a procedural move securing the albatross firmly around his own neck or will he let it pass to the House to have it not brought up or shot down there?

/Oh, in point of fat, Subs, yes, Cruz is a sekret Canadian and yes, he is an idiot but NO, nobody up here misses the crazy sumbiatch one bit.
 
2013-10-15 08:45:50 AM

quatchi: /Oh, in point of fat, Subs, yes, Cruz is a sekret Canadian and yes, he is an idiot but NO, nobody up here misses the crazy sumbiatch one bit.


I'm starting to seriously consider the option that he is a secret Canadanian agent, sent here to destroy the US government from within, while the great white north prepares an army of Mounties to invade while we're in chaos.
Very clever, Canada.
 
2013-10-15 08:46:09 AM
media.npr.org
No azucar.
 
2013-10-15 08:46:34 AM
I guess McConnell calculated that the heat has turned up enough that a deal won't hurt him in his primary too badly.  Cruz thinks differently, though.  He'll put up some sort of resistance.  The question is whether the resistance is token or actually designed to derail the process.
 
2013-10-15 08:47:26 AM

quatchi: /Oh, in point of fat, Subs, yes, Cruz is a sekret Canadian and yes, he is an idiot but NO, nobody up here misses the crazy sumbiatch one bit.


This. Good riddance to bad rubbish. You can keep him, and you'll just have to forgive the pointing and laughing I engage in while watching the trouble his endless derp causes you folks.
 
2013-10-15 08:48:10 AM

timswar: born_yesterday: vpb: Weaver95: I think that if Cruz botches this deal then his own party might just decide to quietly murder him in the cloak room later in the day.

I wouldn't blame them.  He's going to cost them the House in 2014 I think.

Has there been some sort of paradigm shift in the GOP position that I missed?  Last I heard, they all still thought they were winning this by such a landslide that they were going to ride their success into an impeachment of Obama.  I don't think that's changed, and I don't think the "moderate" GOP candidates have suddenly found a set of balls to share.

As we get closer to the debt ceiling the moderate and older republicans start sounding less like, "ummm, yeah, excuse me, ummm, could we maybe, ummmm, not piss off the whole country" and more like "No Cruz, you need to sit down, shut up, and let the grown ups talk."

Unfortunately it might be too late. They let the kids run amok for too long and now it's past bedtime and the kids are wide awake and bouncing off the walls.


I wish I shared your optimism.  There was a time when I would have agreed regarding the GOP leadership.  But they've spent the last 6 years convincing a willing audience that Obama is the anti-Christ, and that the ACA will destroy America forever.

You can't just walk away from that kind of seditious rhetoric.  You can't just "turn it off" and tell the baggers "Oh, it's OK, we'll stop the Anti-Christ from destroying America next time".

The House GOP will cause a default if only for one reason:  to prove that they can.  To show that they have the power to destroy.  And their constituents will, yet again, eat that shiat sandwich and tell themselves it's roast beef.

/Hope I don't look like I'm "concern trolling"
//Honestly hope you're right
 
2013-10-15 08:48:19 AM

quatchi: Will Cruz stop the bi-partisan Senate Bill with a procedural move securing the albatross firmly around his own neck or will he let it pass to the House to have it not brought up or shot down there?

/Oh, in point of fat, Subs, yes, Cruz is a sekret Canadian and yes, he is an idiot but NO, nobody up here misses the crazy sumbiatch one bit.


Yeah that's what I was going to ask. Cruz can say "Fine, take it to the House", and then Cantor can just still say "LOL NOPE", correct?
 
2013-10-15 08:49:17 AM
FTFA: "a deal that would fund the government until mid-January and raise the debt ceiling until early February."

I don't understand the point of this.  So we can start this shiat all over again in 3-4 months?

Because you know they are not going to spend that time actually negotiating on a permanent budget deal, they'll just get back to doing nothing.
 
2013-10-15 08:49:39 AM
"We can't get lower in the polls. We're down to blood relatives and paid staffers right now."
--- John McCain.
 
2013-10-15 08:50:18 AM
As a side note. . .

Does anybody find it horribly ironic/amusing that the same people who, this time last year, were saying we needed to elect businessmen (like Mitt Romney) to Washington because they knew how to manage money and run a government are now cheering on a course of action (Shutdown and Default) that the entire business/financial community is saying is basically suicide and their worst nightmare?

You mean they don't want to run the US Government like a business, they just want to make the Scary Blah Man in the White House look bad?
 
2013-10-15 08:50:35 AM

Weaver95: I think that if Cruz botches this deal then his own party might just decide to quietly murder him in the cloak room later in the day.


This has whole situation has left me wondering...

There's gonna be a pretty big mess all over the globe should the debt ceiling not be raised.  Would any foreign country find it worthwhile to, uh, "take care" of Cruz to prevent such a catastrophe?
 
2013-10-15 08:52:18 AM
EABOD,STFL,FDAFOS and DIAF Ted Cruz you cock!
 
2013-10-15 08:52:41 AM

SeesWhatYouDidThere: FTFA: "a deal that would fund the government until mid-January and raise the debt ceiling until early February."

I don't understand the point of this.  So we can start this shiat all over again in 3-4 months?

Because you know they are not going to spend that time actually negotiating on a permanent budget deal, they'll just get back to doing nothing.


Yeah, I don't understand why the GOP thinks that is a good idea. Their current actions are going to have some impact on the 2014 elections, but the general public has the attention span of a fly with ADHD and will have mostly moved on by then. Setting themselves up for another round of foot shooting closer to the election is going to make it even worse.
 
2013-10-15 08:52:48 AM
Who voted for this guy?
 
2013-10-15 08:54:01 AM

SeesWhatYouDidThere: FTFA: "a deal that would fund the government until mid-January and raise the debt ceiling until early February."

I don't understand the point of this.  So we can start this shiat all over again in 3-4 months?

Because you know they are not going to spend that time actually negotiating on a permanent budget deal, they'll just get back to doing nothing.


Mid-January coincides with additional sequester cuts kicking in. The thinking is that when the new shutdown deadline approaches, they'll have greater motivation to get rid of the new cuts.
 
2013-10-15 08:56:30 AM

BalugaJoe: Who voted for this guy?


Texans. You know, idiots.
 
2013-10-15 08:56:46 AM

BalugaJoe: Who voted for this guy?


Everything's bigger in Texas, even the Derp.
 
2013-10-15 08:57:27 AM
www.baxleys.org

Do it, Reid. Show these right wing psychos you mean business.
 
2013-10-15 08:57:39 AM

WI241TH: There's gonna be a pretty big mess all over the globe should the debt ceiling not be raised.  Would any foreign country find it worthwhile to, uh, "take care" of Cruz to prevent such a catastrophe?


There's no way it would be worth the risk. Americans as a people may be stupid, irrational, overconfident, braggarts, and perhaps even stark raving mad, bu there's a little bit of that "Murica" that runs through us all, and the assasination of a sitting US Congressman by a foreign government would bring down a shiatstorm of historical proportion.
 
2013-10-15 08:58:35 AM
born_yesterday:

Has there been some sort of paradigm shift in the GOP position that I missed?  Last I heard, they all still thought they were winning this by such a landslide that they were going to ride their success into an impeachment of Obama.  I don't think that's changed, and I don't think the "moderate" GOP candidates have suddenly found a set of balls to share.

riotandfrolic.typepad.com
 
2013-10-15 08:59:44 AM
Its pretty clear that the wrong set of people have been negotiating upto now. The 'moderate' Republicans needed to have negotiated with the Cruz/Tea Party guys first to figure out what they want to do. I hope they have this negotiation now, in the next few weeks till the next debt/shutdown crisis comes in February.
 
2013-10-15 09:01:39 AM

KiltedBastich: quatchi: /Oh, in point of fat, Subs, yes, Cruz is a sekret Canadian and yes, he is an idiot but NO, nobody up here misses the crazy sumbiatch one bit.

This. Good riddance to bad rubbish. You can keep him, and you'll just have to forgive the pointing and laughing I engage in while watching the trouble his endless derp causes you folks.


Someone needs to Photoshop Ted Cruz as Scott (he's a dick) from Terrence & Philip.
 
2013-10-15 09:02:14 AM
Can't link here since I'm on mobile, but Robert Costa has a new piece up that suggests, despite all the complaints from the House suicide caucus, they may only make one change to the Senate plan: moving the mid-February debt ceiling deadline to a 6-week extension.
 
2013-10-15 09:04:24 AM

ariseatex: moving the mid-February debt ceiling deadline to a 6-week extension.


Yeah, cause everybody else wants to go through this shiat during Thanksgiving. I can't think of a better thing for the economy than to go through this exact same process destroying economic confidence right before the biggest goddamn economic sales boom of the year.
 
2013-10-15 09:04:37 AM

ariseatex: Mid-January coincides with additional sequester cuts kicking in. The thinking is that when the new shutdown deadline approaches, they'll have greater motivation to get rid of the new cuts.


Yeah, the GOP wouldn't be so insane as to let the sequester continue.
 
2013-10-15 09:04:46 AM

ariseatex: Can't link here since I'm on mobile, but Robert Costa has a new piece up that suggests, despite all the complaints from the House suicide caucus, they may only make one change to the Senate plan: moving the mid-February debt ceiling deadline to a 6-week extension.


Oh just lovely. Have the world shut down right at the start of the Holiday shopping season. The economy is really gonna enjoy that.
 
2013-10-15 09:07:01 AM

jayhawk88: WI241TH: There's gonna be a pretty big mess all over the globe should the debt ceiling not be raised.  Would any foreign country find it worthwhile to, uh, "take care" of Cruz to prevent such a catastrophe?

There's no way it would be worth the risk. Americans as a people may be stupid, irrational, overconfident, braggarts, and perhaps even stark raving mad, bu there's a little bit of that "Murica" that runs through us all, and the assasination of a sitting US Congressman by a foreign government would bring down a shiatstorm of historical proportion.


Rafael Cruz is pretty much evil personified. He is smart enough to know better, but he started this derpquake for personal gain and the yuks. Complete and total sociopath. He should probably be arrested, tried, and incarcerated for the rest of his life.
 
2013-10-15 09:07:05 AM

ariseatex: Can't link here since I'm on mobile, but Robert Costa has a new piece up that suggests, despite all the complaints from the House suicide caucus, they may only make one change to the Senate plan: moving the mid-February debt ceiling deadline to a 6-week extension.


So considering the sequence of events we'll probably be up to a clean CR by this evening.
 
2013-10-15 09:08:43 AM

WaitWhatWhy: SeesWhatYouDidThere: FTFA: "a deal that would fund the government until mid-January and raise the debt ceiling until early February."

I don't understand the point of this.  So we can start this shiat all over again in 3-4 months?

Because you know they are not going to spend that time actually negotiating on a permanent budget deal, they'll just get back to doing nothing.

Yeah, I don't understand why the GOP thinks that is a good idea. Their current actions are going to have some impact on the 2014 elections, but the general public has the attention span of a fly with ADHD and will have mostly moved on by then. Setting themselves up for another round of foot shooting closer to the election is going to make it even worse.


Politics is all about image. The image of the Republican party as the party of fiscal responsibility (not in any way saying they ever deserved it) has taken a serious hit. The Bush years killed their image of being the better party on foreign policy (see above).

The main thing the Dems have to worry about now is low turnout next year bc of people taking a plague on both your houses attitude.
 
2013-10-15 09:10:40 AM

SeesWhatYouDidThere: FTFA: "a deal that would fund the government until mid-January and raise the debt ceiling until early February."

I don't understand the point of this.  So we can start this shiat all over again in 3-4 months?

Because you know they are not going to spend that time actually negotiating on a permanent budget deal, they'll just get back to doing nothing.


I think it's because it gets them out of the current mess, while giving them a chance to rethink their strategy without admitting defeat.
 
2013-10-15 09:11:28 AM
a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com

He's no James O'Keefe, but I'm finding that face more punchable by the day...

Anyone Everyone else?

There, FTFM...
 
2013-10-15 09:12:47 AM

zeroman987: jayhawk88: WI241TH: There's gonna be a pretty big mess all over the globe should the debt ceiling not be raised.  Would any foreign country find it worthwhile to, uh, "take care" of Cruz to prevent such a catastrophe?

There's no way it would be worth the risk. Americans as a people may be stupid, irrational, overconfident, braggarts, and perhaps even stark raving mad, bu there's a little bit of that "Murica" that runs through us all, and the assasination of a sitting US Congressman by a foreign government would bring down a shiatstorm of historical proportion.

Rafael Cruz is pretty much evil personified. He is smart enough to know better, but he started this derpquake for personal gain and the yuks. Complete and total sociopath. He should probably be arrested, tried, and incarcerated for the rest of his life.


It's stupid when conservatives call Obama by his full name to point out his ethnicity, and it's stupid here too. Other than that, I agree with you.
 
2013-10-15 09:13:29 AM

Mikey1969: [a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x365]

He's no James O'Keefe, but I'm finding that face more punchable by the day...

Anyone Everyone else?

There, FTFM...


It's the eyes and the eyebrows.  He seems to be always saying "Bless your heart.  I am so much better than you, but it's not your fault."
 
2013-10-15 09:13:49 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: The main thing the Dems have to worry about now is low turnout next year bc of people taking a plague on both your houses attitude.


Most of the BSAB stuff I've heard has been from conservatives, even die hard ones.  While they support opposing Obama on principle, I think they get that this has been horribly mishandled.  The center to left is pissed at the far right.  YMMV.
 
2013-10-15 09:14:11 AM
here is an updated version of the factsheet, I put together.

Feel Free to share. I am not worried about "credit."
Spoecial thanks to "COMALite J" for some extra special detail goodness.

Historical Facts about the Current Government Shutdown and Impending Default with Citations


In January of 1989 (While Reagan was still president) the republicans published a paper outlining a healthcar overhaul plan that included much of what is in todays Affordable Care and Patient Protection Act, also known as Obamacare

http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/ci_0891950494.pdf,

In October of 1989, they expanded the paper into a book

http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assuring-affordable-health- ca re-for-all-americans and http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf

This was created more than 4 years before anyone even heard of Bill and Hillary Clinton,
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-co ns ervative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/

They pushed for this plan over the course of 2 decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_Americans_Act

Then When the democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that point only) decided the plan was unconstitutional and posed a grave threat to the nation. And refused to support any aspect of it

They sued in the supreme court but lost

http://www.scribd.com/doc/98544934/Supreme-Court-upholds-Affordable- Ca re-Act

They ran presidential candidate who opposed the Affordable Care Act even though he had passed a nearly identical law in the State of Massachusetts

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservat iv e-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

Obama was re-elected with the Affordable Care Act being a center piece of the election

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/

Republicans opposed the ACA because it hate elements that violated their Christian Faith

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/judge-rejects-states-lawsuit-challen gi ng-obamacare-contraception-mandate

While a Harvard study concluded that as many as 45,000 Americans die each year due to lack of health care coverage

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000- de aths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

Which is something some republicans have openly admitted to finding acceptable.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2011/09 /l et_him_die.html

and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PepQF7G-It0


Deciding that the Affordable Care Act was a serious threat to the nation, the GOP engineered a strategy of threatening a Government Shutdown to protest the Affordable Care Act.
To pull this off The Republicans strategized how to engineer the shutdown, and how to handle the spin

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/federal-budget-cri si s-months-planning/bhA7OHhAIBvNNincmzdtjJ/story.html

80 members of congress signed a letter to force the shutdown.

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jwithrow/does-your-senator-stand-wi th -mike-lee-against-obam


They said a shutdown would not be a bad thing

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/07/30/ted- cr uz-government-shutdown-wouldnt-be-so-bad/

They celebrated when it happened

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/republicans-shut-down-the- go vernment-but-they-cant-stop-obamacare-20131001

The House Republicans changed a long standing House Rule at the last minute to ensure the shutdown would stay in effect:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-house-gop-s-little-rule-change-t ha t-guaranteed-a-shutdown

When challenged about this, the republicans would not address the issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A

All the while They accused the Democrats and Obama of not negotiating, even though the democrats tried repeatedly to negotiate

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/19-times-democrats-tried-to- ne gotiate-with-republicans-20131007?mrefid=mostread


Which should not have been necessary since Harry Reid and John Boehner had a deal, that Boehner backed out of.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/326425-reid-boehner-backed-out-of -d eal

And despite all of this, The Republicans attempted blame Obama for the Shutdown

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-republicans-b la me-obama-20131006,0,2739790.story


Some Republicans attempted to hide behind our veterans to blame the president

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-storms-d -c -war-memorials/
 and
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605861/republicans-investigati ng -monument-closures-during-shutdown/

Despite the fact that sent American soldiers into a war
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237

That caused 4400 American soldiers to die
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx

and more than 30,000 to be wounded
 http://icasualties.org/Iraq/USCasualtiesByState.aspx

for no reason what so ever
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/c ia s-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/


But now that they think they can make some political gains, they suddenly want to support the troops
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-organizers- co ndemn-sarah-palin-ted-cruz-tea-party.html

Other republicans admitted they have no idea what the shutdown was about.

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/03/gop_congressman_were_not_going_to_be _d isrespected/

Some openly admitted the shutdown was about "pride"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/dennis-ross-government-shut do wn_n_4050231.html?ref=topbar


The Irony is that the shutdown improved the popularity of Obamacare
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/10/11/boomerang-poll-reve al s-gops-government-shutdown-bolstered-obamacare-popularity-by-20/

Which had always been more popular when not called Obamacare

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/09/29/obamacare-affordabl e- care-act-obama-column/2892183/

which is more popular than the Republican led Congress

 http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-09/politics/42838288_1_h ous e-republicans-shutdown-senate-democrats

And when their strategy failed to gain support of the public

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/327161-poll-65-perc en t-oppose-tying-obamacare-to-shutdown-debt-ceiling-fights
They Decided that the shutdown fight was no longer about the Affordable Care act, but now spending and the debt
 http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-see-shutdown-fight-shift-away-oba mac are-215949746.html

Meanwhile In 2001, The GOP President and GOP Congress

 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Combined--Contro l_o f_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png

Inherited a projected budget surplus and a projected elimination of the entire debt within 10 years.

http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/new/html/Fri_Dec_29_151111_2000.html

 The GOP then passed a tax cut,

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41463

waged an expensive war

 http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq -pr ice-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans

and repeatedly voted to raise the debt ceiling with no demands on spending cuts.
2002 vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll279.xml
2003 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2003/s202
2004 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2004/h536
2006 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s54
2007 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/110-2007/s354

Then When a Democrat was in the Whitehouse, the GOP decided it was worth risking a default to place demands on spending cuts.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boehner-u-s-will-default-if-ob am a-doesn-t-cave-on-the-debt-limit


Some Republicans are even calling for a default.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/05/19/173961/nunes-calls-for-d ef ault/

Forgetting that we did default, for a day, in 1979, and it cost us Billions.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-07-10/business/35238255_1_tr ea sury-bills-default-debt-limit

And ignoring what economists are saying could happen if we default
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/17/us-default-markets-conseque nc es_n_901070.html

Some Republicans are even threatening to impeach the president if a default occurs, despite admitting they will not vote to raise the debt ceiling themselves

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/13/louie-gohmert-impeach_n_409 47 07.html

Others are threatening to impeach if the president invokes the 14th Amendment to prevent a default.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/06/tim-scott-impeachment-obama -1 4-amendment-debt_n_891521.html

Does anyone have any questions as to what this is really all about?
 
2013-10-15 09:14:32 AM
 
2013-10-15 09:14:34 AM

jayhawk88: There's no way it would be worth the risk. Americans as a people may be stupid, irrational, overconfident, braggarts, and perhaps even stark raving mad, bu there's a little bit of that "Murica" that runs through us all, and the assasination of a sitting US Congressman by a foreign government would bring down a shiatstorm of historical proportion.


That's what I was thinking, but I needed to hear someone else say it.  It's starting to feel like times are getting pretty desperate, which leads me to wonder what kind of desperate measures will be taking place.
 
2013-10-15 09:14:42 AM
All morning long the news was focused on the Senate heads talking deals and I am yelling at the radio; IT IS THE HOUSE HOLDING THIS UP.

Thanks to Raphael.
 
2013-10-15 09:15:16 AM
That village may have lost their idiot but I'm pretty sure they don't miss him.
 
2013-10-15 09:17:16 AM

WI241TH: There's gonna be a pretty big mess all over the globe should the debt ceiling not be raised. Would any foreign country find it worthwhile to, uh, "take care" of Cruz to prevent such a catastrophe?


I think you'll find that murdering elected officials to change the direction of political machinations is the behaviour of the superpower, not of the subjects.

Basically, no, because we can't or we're morally better than that. Prrrobably more the former than the latter.
 
2013-10-15 09:19:28 AM

blastoh: Does anyone have any questions as to what this is really all about?


No, but I do have many questions for the MSM about how a random guy on FARK is able to put the story together accurately in a way that they refuse to.

Questions that I'd like to ask with a torch and pitchfork in hand.
 
2013-10-15 09:20:06 AM

ReverendJasen: quatchi: /Oh, in point of fat, Subs, yes, Cruz is a sekret Canadian and yes, he is an idiot but NO, nobody up here misses the crazy sumbiatch one bit.

I'm starting to seriously consider the option that he is a secret Canadanian agent, sent here to destroy the US government from within, while the great white north prepares an army of Mounties to invade while we're in chaos.
Very clever, Canada.


Actually, he's working for Saudi Arabia. Thanks to the corruption of oil money, Texas has the same kind of representative democracy that they have in Nigeria.
Hey, it works for the Saudis! Thanks to Texans, we've fought three wars to take out their Islamic opponents while at the same time they still fund al Qaida with the protection money they pay.
 
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