Recoil Therapy: A gun from the ... Arizona? Did someone use the .gov shutdown to dive on the memorial & salvage some souvenirs?/wow, seeing the two of them on a flatbed snaps it into scale just how farking BIG those beauties are.//sad that any of the barrels are being cut up for scrap, they'd make great memorials all around the country & also serve as a reminder of what sea power was made of before the age of the carrier.
Recoil Therapy: Kibbler:If you read the history of the Missouri, you read that it "shot down four Japanese planes" and provided fire support during invasions. Cruisers can provide fire and antiaircraft support, and aircraft from carriers can provide much more effective ground attack support.The Missouri was a big beautiful awe-inspiring ship, and it was a costly error.No, I completely agree with all of that. I was just woolgathering about how they, like a mast could represent the sailing era, could represent the time immediately before carrier aviation changed everything. There was a park near me while I was growing up that had a Higgins Boat on a bluff overlooking the shore. As a 10 year old it was great for climbing all over/in with my friends pretending that we were Marines storming a beach somewhere. Then of course eventually some kid fell off of it & the parents raised a fuss about their snowflake bruising his butt falling off of it (even though we all did on a regular basis to begin with, & the cops got tired of chasing the stoners out of there (a nice high walled area out of the wind was perfect for lighting up...) & the powers that be came & flattened it with a bulldozer (this was back before it was discovered that nobody bothered to save ANY of the boats in a museum somewhere...). I was just thinking that the barrels would make really cool static displays in most any park that had something of a nautical theme/was along the beach somewhere. Certainly a better use than the few hundred dollars that they would get from scrapping them out.Oooh, as thick as the walls on those beasts were, carve off big slabs of them & cut them up into blocks say 6"x9"x3" & mill special edition .45 frames/receivers out of them. I'm fairly sure that the steel is of quality enough to handle a .45 cartridge going off seeing as how it was made to handle 16 inch shells... I don't know how much it would cost but I'd imagine the there are a lot of people willing to spend more than a few d ...
Kibbler: It also came as a shock to learn that the number of times those guns could be fired was very limited; as big and thick as they were, firing them put a hell of a strain on them. (And one thing you, as a battleship captain, would prefer to avoid would be having one of your 16" barrels explode. Might break the ship in half.) I remember reading about the Bismarck, for example, and it had to pass on firing opportunities because the guns had already been fired x-number of times, and they couldn't afford to "waste" shots. Not so much because they thought they would miss, but that the target wasn't worth it. I wouldn't be surprised if the American guns had greater longevity--I think we were probably using better-quality steel--but they still had a limit.
Chagrin: I seem to remember reading that they are only good for a few hundred shots.
vossiewulf: Chagrin: I seem to remember reading that they are only good for a few hundred shots.General rule was bigger the gun, fewer the rounds before needing to be relined, but in the dreadnought era in WWI as I recall it was like 150 rounds for 13.5-15" guns before the dispersion became unacceptable.
vonster: Did anyone mention that that is actually a rifle? Just sayin'
Recoil Therapy: A gun from the ... Arizona? Did someone use the .gov shutdown to dive on the memorial & salvage some souvenirs?
Recoil Therapy: Oooh, as thick as the walls on those beasts were, carve off big slabs of them & cut them up into blocks say 6"x9"x3" & mill special edition .45 frames/receivers out of them. I'm fairly sure that the steel is of quality enough to handle a .45 cartridge going off seeing as how it was made to handle 16 inch shells... I don't know how much it would cost but I'd imagine the there are a lot of people willing to spend more than a few dollars to have a .45 made from the steel of a real battleship gun.
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