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(The Local)   New student notifies classmates and staff of her nut allergy. The students a) make sure she is not exposed to any type of nut product while at school, b) ignore her or c) put a nut into her drink to see what happens   (thelocal.se) divider line 29
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2013-10-15 10:18:52 AM
4 votes:
Teenagers are inherently evil, especially the girls.  Never let them know where your weak spot is.
2013-10-15 10:08:52 AM
4 votes:
How could someone not see this coming? Put a sign that says "Warning: If you press this button, your best friend will die horribly!" on a button and kids would be fighting over who got to hit it first
2013-10-15 08:56:46 AM
4 votes:
i1.ytimg.com

Doesn't see what the big deal is
2013-10-15 10:30:05 AM
3 votes:
See...now I think there are people who go overboard with the nut thing and need to be put in their place. This girl just simply informed staff then put a sign on a bulletin board as a FYI. That is reasonable and doesn't warrant retaliation.

My cousins kids has severe nut allergies. He has almost died a few times from accidental injestion (mostly as a toddler, he is older and knows better now). He carries an epipen with him and knows he can't eat nuts or touch anyone that has had direct contact with nuts (i.e. kid eating a pb sandwich and doesn't wash his hands afterwards). He's been trained how to safeguard himself and the staff is aware of what to do in an emergency. You know what my cousin DIDN'T do? Be an arsehole and demand her kid's school ban nuts from the premises. In her exact words "What the hell would that accomplish? He needs to be responsible for his health. It isn't like I can demand the whole world go nut-free so his best defense is to be aware, take precautions, and use an epipen if need be." This is how normal people approach the situation. Douchebag narcissits require everyone to accomodate them and their child.
2013-10-15 10:05:19 AM
3 votes:
is there a reason we put peanut allergy people in with the regular folks?  why not make a blue room like we do for the tards and just keep them in there.
2013-10-15 01:28:21 PM
2 votes:
Highroller48:

First, smoke is smoke. If you're allergic to my cigarette, you're allergic to a campfire as well.

And that's where ya lost me.  I hope you're trolling with that line because if you really believe that then you're just stupid.  Apparently someone's never seen someone else burn a log with poison ivy still on it and see the next guy over swell up when the smoke hit him.  And if all smoke is the same, how come I don't get stoned when I burn logs in the campfire?  I'm essentially still blazing a tree.

Oh that's right, depending on what's being burned will determine the chemicals present in the smoke, which will then determine what effect that smoke will have when you inhale it, and therefore, she's a witch.
Ant
2013-10-15 10:44:31 AM
2 votes:

nickdaisy: Nut allergies are grossly over diagnosed. Most of these people claiming allergies (or children whose parents claim that their kids have allergies) are just self-entitled attention whores who probably failed to make a sports team or any actual friends. Their diagnosis is a social crutch for their failings.

For the best example of this, see autism. The "disease" that used to be known as "being a nerd."


"Oh, now you're going into anaphylactic shock? Well snap out of it, kid! Give me 20 push ups!"

/you're a moron, nickdaisy
2013-10-15 10:22:18 AM
2 votes:

Anderson's Pooper: Teenagers are inherently evil, especially the girls.  Never let them know where your weak spot is.


Reminds me of a Jay Mohr standup.

Father to children:  "All right, that's enough!  I want you out of the house for the rest of the day.  Go find something to do."

Boys' response:  [shrugs]  "OK."

Girls' response:  "You're the reason Mommy drinks in the garage."
2013-10-15 10:17:07 AM
2 votes:

You Are All Sheep: is there a reason we put peanut allergy people in with the regular folks?  why not make a blue room like we do for the tards and just keep them in there.


Please stop.  This tired line of thought does not make you seem at all as edgy or genetically superior as it did when you were slowly forming the words in your addled brain.
2013-10-15 10:08:16 AM
2 votes:
Oh good, another thread where people advocate we inconvenience a majority of people for the sake of a few people.
2013-10-15 09:06:59 AM
2 votes:
On a positive note, it's good to see kids taking an interest in science and experimentation.
2013-10-15 02:59:09 PM
1 votes:

Highroller48: Okay, let's put it this way. I've been told by probably 100 people in my life that they're allergic to cigarette smoke, and not once have I ever seen any evidence such an allergy exists.

First, smoke is smoke. If you're allergic to my cigarette, you're allergic to a campfire as well. Secondly, at least some of those are people who smoke once you get a few drinks in them. Third, I have NEVER seen an allergic reaction to cigarette smoke.

It's a DISLIKE, not an allergy. People are crying wolf in an effort to force others to conform to their wishes.



I hate to keep replying to you with Farkisms, but you make it almost necessary: "The plural of anecdote isn't data."

Out of an alleged 100 people who claim a smoke allergy, you say that some of them will smoke on occasion. So if that number is (a rather generous) 35 out of 100 people who are faking it, should the 65 actual allergy sufferers be endangered because it's convenient for you to assume that they are among the fakers? And precisely what "evidence such an allergy exists" are you requiring of these people?

Finally, avoiding campfires is a lot easier than avoiding going into your job where there are a bunch of slobs smoking cigarettes by the entrance.
2013-10-15 12:35:44 PM
1 votes:
Really?  Over a hundred comments and this hasn't been posted.

static.tvfanatic.com
2013-10-15 12:23:44 PM
1 votes:

Highroller48: "Zero Tolerance" rules do nothing to address root causes


They're not supposed to. They're supposed to simply keep it from happening. Punishing assholes after the fact doesn't stop lawsuits from happening after the fact. And the school can't address the fact that parents raise little assholes so the root cause is out of their control.

Like most things that seem completely absurd devoid of their original context, zero tolerance laws didn't just pop into being for no reason. Personally, I'd be more than happy with allowing schools to simply kick trouble kids to the curb to rot, but we can't do that now. You kick a kid out, you still have to pay for something else. Usually a cyber charter or special classes aimed at "at-risk" students, which is expensive as all fark.

Americans want their cake and to eat it too and this is what happens. You can't kick the little assholes out before they do something like this because people screamed bloody murder about it, but if you keep 'em in they wind up trying to kill a classmate with a damn nut.
2013-10-15 11:59:16 AM
1 votes:
I knew someone once who adamantly claimed that she was so allergic to cats, that she would have a severe asthma attack if she were even in the same room with someone who owned a cat.

Unbeknownst to her I had four cats at the time.  She always seemed completely comfortable when she was in the same room with me.

People like that make it so much more difficult for the people who really do have life-threatening allergies.


/that is all
2013-10-15 11:53:01 AM
1 votes:

Krymson Tyde: As the father of a child with peanut and tree nut allergies I'm pleased to see the thread populated mostly by understanding and empathetic Farkers as opposed to the trolls/assholes.


Well, that depends...do you demand the world that comes in contact with your daughter and anyone who crosses her path be nut free?  Or did you educate her on what to watch out for and does she carry an epi pen?*

*I realize this is dependent on her age
2013-10-15 11:21:44 AM
1 votes:

Highroller48: Nothing against looking after the basic needs of people with food allergens, HOWEVER:  If your gene pool is so defective that my kid merely having a snickers bar at lunch could actually KILL your kid just by the act of being in the same room, then keep your farking bubble-child at home.

Krymson Tyde: As the father of a child with peanut and tree nut allergies I'm pleased to see the thread populated mostly by understanding and empathetic Farkers as opposed to the trolls/assholes.

Again, I have no issues with providing a basic accommodation to protect your child.  BUT, turning an entire school into a level 4 quarantine zone, wherein the mere presence of a single nut is treated akin to a bomb threat, necessitating a full Hazmat Team response is a ludicrous overreaction to the problem.

Not only that, but sometimes a peanut butter sandwich is a good, inexpensive way for a low-income family to at least try and give their kid a nutritious lunch at school.

There's GOT to be a middle ground.  What's next....exterminate all the bees and starve us all to death because someone's kid is allergic to bee venom?

It's not trolling to say that we shouldn't disrupt the lives of a thousand or more kids every day just because of one child's medical issues.  If you want to ensure cafeteria items are nut-free, or if you want to designate a certain area of the lunch room as nut free, or even if you want to make the kid's clasroom a safe-zone, that's fine.  But at some point you reach the limits of what can be considered a reasonable accommodation, and it's time to look at whether the kid is suited to the environment, instead of the other way around.


I'm not suggesting you ban nuts, turn the school into a hazardous zone, disrupt lives, whatever. Her school is aware of her allergies. Children with allergies in her class eat at a table different from the other children and everyone washes their hands after meals and snacks. We provide nut-free snacks for her to eat at snack time and send treats for her when another child has a birthday rather than insist other parents bend over backwards for us.

We're teaching her to look out for herself since ultimately it's going to be her responsibility when she gets older, but as a kindergartner, she's going to need a little help staying healthy.

On the other hand, we got more than a little pissed when another kid said he was going to smear a peanut butter sandwich on her face.
2013-10-15 11:12:49 AM
1 votes:

skozlaw: Remember this the next time somebody submits an "outrage" article because some crazy school officials somewhere ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in some public school. This is exactly why "zero tolerance" rules get enacted. Because people can't just not be assholes unless someone else hangs consequences over their heads for even the most obvious "do nots".


Or, you know, we could just discipline the little asshole kids that did it.  "Zero Tolerance" rules do nothing to address root causes, turn into nothing more than an easy-out for those in authority, and end up morphing into collective punishment regimes that just breed more resentment than they docompliance.
2013-10-15 11:08:16 AM
1 votes:

gfid: FarkingReading: Louis CK to the rescue:

I'll give you an example, okay? Like of course, of course, children who have nut allergies need to be protected, of course. We have to segregate their food from nuts, have their medication available at all times, and anybody who manufactures or serves food needs to be aware of deadly nut allergies, of course, but maybe. Maybe if touching a nut kills you, you're supposed to die. Of course not, of course not, of course not. Jesus.
I have a nephew who has that. I'd be devastated if something happened to him. But maybe, maybe if we all just do this for one year, we're done with nut allergies for ever.

Wow.  I'm curious, has Louis CK ever said anything funny in his entire life?

FTA:

"We take this very seriously. If the student who put the nut in her drink knew she had a nut allergy then it's attempted manslaughter," said high school manager Bernt Ralfnert.

Uh, yeah.  It may have been life threatening (even if she didn't die), but does anyone really believe it was an attempt to kill her?

It's Sweden anyway.  All the intelligent Swedes migrated to the US over 100 years ago.  The person who slipped her a nut will probably get counseling instead of prison.


This is the kind of stuff the concept of manslaughter was created for, doing reckless or stupid thing that can kill people.
2013-10-15 10:56:47 AM
1 votes:
What did they think would happen? Whoever believes kids between the ages of 12-20 have any sort of conscience is incredibly ignorant.

Tell them if you must. But make sure your EpiPen is on you and never leave your food/drink unattended.
2013-10-15 10:49:12 AM
1 votes:
"Either the student who did this is completely stupid or it's attempted manslaughter."

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Ant
2013-10-15 10:46:17 AM
1 votes:

deanis: I was with you until your completely ignorant last sentence.


Yeah, his first couple of sentences were not ignorant at all.
2013-10-15 10:31:20 AM
1 votes:
The problem is that in Europe peanut allergy is often seen as an American culture-bound syndrome, somewhere between koro and fan death on the credibility scale.
2013-10-15 10:21:27 AM
1 votes:
At the school where my wife substitutes, there are whole classes of 'peanut kids'. The whole time I went through school though, I think I met one girl with a nut allergy. Is my experience rare or has there really been that much of an increase in the number of these allergy cases? If so, does anyone know of any studies being conducted to find out what the cause is?

This really bugs me for some reason.
2013-10-15 10:21:15 AM
1 votes:
More interesting would be to stare at this person, after having a chance to tamper with the soda, and say "We put a nut in your soda to see what happens."

Psychosomatic allergen testing. You certainly don't test with the trigger substance, in case it's a somatic allergen.
2013-10-15 10:16:43 AM
1 votes:
Stop attention whoring your allergies.
2013-10-15 10:15:44 AM
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: Oh good, another thread where people advocate we inconvenience a majority of people for the sake of a few people.


Look, a troll!
2013-10-15 10:15:29 AM
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: Oh good, another thread where people advocate we inconvenience a majority of people for the sake of a few people.


No one has advocated anything... This is story of a child with a severe allergy and some moron decided to essentially poison her.
2013-10-15 09:47:45 AM
1 votes:

Diogenes: On a positive note, it's good to see kids taking an interest in science and experimentation.


LOL

You win the thread
 
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