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(The Local)   New student notifies classmates and staff of her nut allergy. The students a) make sure she is not exposed to any type of nut product while at school, b) ignore her or c) put a nut into her drink to see what happens   (thelocal.se) divider line 142
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2013-10-15 12:17:19 PM  
Wolfscythe:

Just to make sure you're aware, if someone has an allergic reaction to cashews they're also likely to be allergic to mango,

Thanks for the heads up.  We actually have a list of things to look out for and I believe Mango was on it.  Same with macadamia nuts.
 
2013-10-15 12:17:24 PM  

Schrodinger's Basement Cat: Wolfscythe: Just to make sure you're aware, if someone has an allergic reaction to cashews they're also likely to be allergic to mango, as they're related. I'm allergic to both, and while I have never had a reaction to pistachios, I avoid them just in case my allergy starts acting up with them too. Some forms of mango are okay (I've never had a problem eating dried mango), but the same chemical in cashew oil that causes the allergic reaction is in mango skin as well, so fresh mango is too risky to eat, as are juices that use mango puree.

Wow that's interesting. As I said, I have a mild mango allergy.  Basically I break out in a rash and have to take antihistamines.  I never had issues with cashews, though.


I used to not have a reaction to anything, but I developed the allergy over time somehow, which is why I avoid pistachios now. It took me a long time to put two and two together because of how random it seemed. With me, my lips and the roof of my mouth swell up and blister, and it itches for a week, badly enough that I want to claw my lower face off. Then it peels for two weeks like a sunburn would.

It sucks being allergic to delicious things. :( But it makes sense when you think about it, since the same oil in cashews, mangos, and pistachios that is usually responsible for allergic reactions is the same oil in poison ivy that people react to.
 
2013-10-15 12:17:58 PM  

Krymson Tyde: the other hand, we got more than a little pissed when another kid said he was going to smear a peanut butter sandwich on her face.



I bet I know a kid at your daughter's school whose parents are complete a55holes.
 
2013-10-15 12:23:38 PM  

Wolfscythe: I used to not have a reaction to anything, but I developed the allergy over time somehow


This is interesting, because my mom developed a shellfish allergy in her mid 40s, even though she had been a rabid fan of lobster her whole life.

I suspect it's always been an allergy, but went unnoticed until prolonged exposure over time made the reactions worse.  Maybe mild reactions are just your body's way of saying "first warning" until it gets threatened enough to go full anaphylactic.

/allergic to animal dander - still have a dog
//bathing the dog gives me hives and will trigger an asthma attack
//my dog is dirty a lot
 
2013-10-15 12:23:44 PM  

Highroller48: "Zero Tolerance" rules do nothing to address root causes


They're not supposed to. They're supposed to simply keep it from happening. Punishing assholes after the fact doesn't stop lawsuits from happening after the fact. And the school can't address the fact that parents raise little assholes so the root cause is out of their control.

Like most things that seem completely absurd devoid of their original context, zero tolerance laws didn't just pop into being for no reason. Personally, I'd be more than happy with allowing schools to simply kick trouble kids to the curb to rot, but we can't do that now. You kick a kid out, you still have to pay for something else. Usually a cyber charter or special classes aimed at "at-risk" students, which is expensive as all fark.

Americans want their cake and to eat it too and this is what happens. You can't kick the little assholes out before they do something like this because people screamed bloody murder about it, but if you keep 'em in they wind up trying to kill a classmate with a damn nut.
 
2013-10-15 12:25:11 PM  

kerrigand: The My Little Pony Killer: Those kids must belong to the Farkers who think that all allergy sufferers are faking it.

/except themselves, of course

Not everyone is faking an allergy. There are those that truly have an allergy. Then, there are those that think their snowflakes are allergic to everything. You're not helping. If they are, that's cool. We'll be more than happy to accommodate you. If you're the nut that wants for some reason your snowflake to be allergic to everything, then you've just deemed them worthless. Life will find a way to accommodate your snowflakes......


In my experience, the BIGGEST group who are faking it are the people who claim to be "allergic" to cigarette smoke.

You don't like it, and you don't want to be around it, fine. 90% of the people who say they're actually allergic to it just don't want anyone smoking in public - even outdoors.

They need to get over it.

I'm on thr Zyban right now, hoping to be an ex-smoker soon, and one of the promised I've made to myself is to NOT become one of those douchebags who wants tobacco banished from every square foot of the world.
 
2013-10-15 12:26:35 PM  
I don't want pets, so I convinced the kids that they have fur allergies.
 
2013-10-15 12:33:57 PM  

filter: I don't want pets, so I convinced the kids that they have fur allergies.


mom?
 
2013-10-15 12:35:44 PM  
Really?  Over a hundred comments and this hasn't been posted.

static.tvfanatic.com
 
2013-10-15 12:36:02 PM  

jackandwater: Krymson Tyde: As the father of a child with peanut and tree nut allergies I'm pleased to see the thread populated mostly by understanding and empathetic Farkers as opposed to the trolls/assholes.

Well, that depends...do you demand the world that comes in contact with your daughter and anyone who crosses her path be nut free?  Or did you educate her on what to watch out for and does she carry an epi pen?*

*I realize this is dependent on her age


If you haven't read the rest of the thread, please do so for that answer.
 
2013-10-15 12:39:32 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Krymson Tyde: the other hand, we got more than a little pissed when another kid said he was going to smear a peanut butter sandwich on her face.


I bet I know a kid at your daughter's school whose parents are complete a55holes.


It's actually a neighbor. They aren't allowed to play together anymore.
 
2013-10-15 12:43:24 PM  

filter: I don't want pets, so I convinced the kids that they have fur allergies.


sis?
 
2013-10-15 12:44:48 PM  
Nut Allergies: The AW-ing of the 21st century.
 
2013-10-15 12:48:27 PM  

Highroller48: 90% of the people who say they're actually allergic to it just don't want anyone smoking in public - even outdoors.


Remind me again... What percentage of "statistics" actually turn out to be just hyperbole pulled from the asses of people who are more opinionated than informed?
 
2013-10-15 12:56:55 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Highroller48: 90% of the people who say they're actually allergic to it just don't want anyone smoking in public - even outdoors.

Remind me again... What percentage of "statistics" actually turn out to be just hyperbole pulled from the asses of people who are more opinionated than informed?


Okay, let's put it this way. I've been told by probably 100 people in my life that they're allergic to cigarette smoke, and not once have I ever seen any evidence such an allergy exists.

First, smoke is smoke. If you're allergic to my cigarette, you're allergic to a campfire as well. Secondly, at least some of those are people who smoke once you get a few drinks in them. Third, I have NEVER seen an allergic reaction to cigarette smoke.

It's a DISLIKE, not an allergy. People are crying wolf in an effort to force others to conform to their wishes.
 
2013-10-15 01:08:38 PM  

groppet: NewWorldDan: bugmn99: At the school where my wife substitutes, there are whole classes of 'peanut kids'. The whole time I went through school though, I think I met one girl with a nut allergy. Is my experience rare or has there really been that much of an increase in the number of these allergy cases? If so, does anyone know of any studies being conducted to find out what the cause is?

This really bugs me for some reason.

I think there's something going on. Half the children in my kid's class have some sort of food sensitivity. My own kid is allergic to fish and some nuts (cashews and pistachios), my nephew is allergic to tree nuts in general, and my niece is dairy intolerant. Of my dad's 5 grandchildren, 3 have a food issue, while no one in his or my generation do in the extended family. I don't know what's behind all this, but something isn't right.

I was thinking the same. When I was a kid I can only remember one kid from k-12 that was allergic to nuts, I dont know what he had but he mostly ate rice cakes with peanut butter on them, maybe it was a bread/gluten thing. Hell everyone ate peanut butter in elementary school. At the school I vote at they have a sign on the library "Peanut Free Zone". It is odd how kids seem allergic to so much these days.


There are so many possible reasons for the increase, but no one is sure of the answers. Cheap snacks that combine different foods may mean kids come in contact more frequently than in the past (few people just give the kids an apple, but instead gives them some item that is a concoction of chems or other foods that together give an apple-like flavor), overactive immunity caused by kids not being exposed to enough (over-sterilized environments), or something as simple as many of the kids have registered very low in vitamin D (though I doubt that is the majority of the cases). Planters even looked into whether the incredible increase in roasted versus non-roasted peanut availability was to blame. So far, no good answers seem to be available.

CSB: My nephew began with symptoms at 18 months old. When his mother wanted to see if he was allergic to something or what was going on around the age of 4, the doctor found that his allergy to tree nuts was enough to be life-threatening. She removed all labeled nut products in the house, but he continued to have issues. She started calling manufacturers and found that it was not required to label nuts specifically as long as "natural flavors" were listed and the doctor prescribed vitamins that she had been giving him for over a year did indeed have nut products in them, even though it wasn't labeled. At 4, he now knows that if his tongue tingles or burns, that he can't have it even if it isn't labeled as having nuts and he carries an epipen in his pocket, but otherwise they don't treat it as a big deal.
 
2013-10-15 01:13:46 PM  

ThurmanMerman: I knew someone once who adamantly claimed that she was so allergic to cats, that she would have a severe asthma attack if she were even in the same room with someone who owned a cat.

Unbeknownst to her I had four cats at the time.  She always seemed completely comfortable when she was in the same room with me.

People like that make it so much more difficult for the people who really do have life-threatening allergies.


/that is all


About two weeks ago I was at my friends house and his roommates wife claims to be allergic to cats, dogs, pollen, cigarette smoke, pot smoke...those kinds of things.  About 10 minutes before she got home we were all smoking inside and, right until her car pulled into the driveway, my dogs were sleeping on the couch where she sits.  Needless to say she had no allergic reactions to anything nor did she realize the dogs were even in the house.

The reality of it is she's a hypochondriac loner (and a biatch coont...) that doesn't like to be around other people, things, and stimulation so she makes shiat up to get her way and to only leave the house when she needs to.

People like her and your example are why I have a hard time taking some people seriously when they talk about allergies, not all, but someSome people just come off as a self-centered, I have all these problems, accommodate everything to my liking, sounding all whiny ass douchey; they just really screw it for the ones who really, actually need the extra consideration/accommodations.
 
2013-10-15 01:17:18 PM  
"Either the student who did this is completely stupid or it's attempted manslaughter."

Yes and yes.  Never let douchebags know your fears or weaknesses.
 
2013-10-15 01:26:16 PM  
I hosted a party not long ago knowing full well that one of the guests, a four year old, is seriously allergic to nuts.  I made SURE that there were no nuts in any of the food and that nothing came into contact with nuts during preparation.

Some idiot decided to bring something to the party (against my wishes and so didn't even tell me she'd put it on the table) - chocolate chip cookies with nuts.  The kid took one bite, starting throwing up almost immediately, epi pen used and an immediate trip to the hospital.

Idiots.  When I tell you not to bring anything, I mean you should only bring wine!
 
2013-10-15 01:27:47 PM  
If the perp won't come forward and no one will rat him/her out, then punish all of them except the victim. Knock down their GPAs by one or prevent them from advancing to the next grade. Any further retaliation against the victim will increase the punishment for everyone.
 
2013-10-15 01:28:21 PM  
Highroller48:

First, smoke is smoke. If you're allergic to my cigarette, you're allergic to a campfire as well.

And that's where ya lost me.  I hope you're trolling with that line because if you really believe that then you're just stupid.  Apparently someone's never seen someone else burn a log with poison ivy still on it and see the next guy over swell up when the smoke hit him.  And if all smoke is the same, how come I don't get stoned when I burn logs in the campfire?  I'm essentially still blazing a tree.

Oh that's right, depending on what's being burned will determine the chemicals present in the smoke, which will then determine what effect that smoke will have when you inhale it, and therefore, she's a witch.
 
2013-10-15 01:32:35 PM  

LanceDearnis: gfid: pkellmey: gfid:FTA:

"We take this very seriously. If the student who put the nut in her drink knew she had a nut allergy then it's attempted manslaughter," said high school manager Bernt Ralfnert.

Uh, yeah.  It may have been life threatening (even if she didn't die), but does anyone really believe it was an attempt to kill her?

Something like involuntary manslaughter requires no actual intent to kill them, only doing something that led to their death. It is different in many regions, but manslaughter just requires that your act lead to someones death.

A fair point, but how can one "attempt" to cause a death if death was not your intent?

Involuntary vs Voluntary Manslaughter; Voluntary means essentially 'mitigated, but intentional murder', like 'heat of the moment' or 'not premeditated'. Involuntary means 'You were too stupid to realize you were acting with lethal force, and you had a criminal intent.' Sweden's laws and especially legal definitions probably matter here, not to mention potential issues with translation. In America this would probably fall under Felony Poisoning, plus other general 'intent to cause harm' laws.


you made that up. there are no anti-poisoning statutes. it would be aggravated assault or attempted murder
 
2013-10-15 01:39:30 PM  
 
2013-10-15 01:46:19 PM  

pkellmey: She started calling manufacturers and found that it was not required to label nuts specifically as long as "natural flavors" were listed and the doctor prescribed vitamins that she had been giving him for over a year did indeed have nut products in them, even though it wasn't labeled.


That's horrible.

From what I understand, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency requires that ALL ingredients be declared for allergens in all products, foreign or domestic.
 
2013-10-15 01:48:56 PM  
i do not recall folks having peanut allergies when i was young; what the hell happened?
 
2013-10-15 02:20:24 PM  
As a father with several known allergies, and problably several unknown allergies, I believe a lot of the increased allergin issues do stem from the overuse of antibacterial agents and the fear mongers from the media.  I spent a lot of time outdoors and getting dirty growing up with only make sure you wash up when I came in.  I have allergies to cat/dog dander but still have pets.  My kids do not have those allergies thankfully as they were raised around dogs.  I have found myself to be more lactose intollerant these days so I avoid milk, my daughter on the other hand has an issue with cheese, not so much milk.  We just know to avoid or limit our intake.  Never been an issue.  When my granddaughter was born and for the first several months it was the no germ can contact her philosophy, my daughter now understands that exposure to germs are necessary for her daughter to develop antibodies to them.

I know that hay fever allergies are treated by low dose exposure to the allregin on a regular basis, I wonder if food allergin's can be treated the same way.
 
2013-10-15 02:21:10 PM  

Literally Addicted: pkellmey: She started calling manufacturers and found that it was not required to label nuts specifically as long as "natural flavors" were listed and the doctor prescribed vitamins that she had been giving him for over a year did indeed have nut products in them, even though it wasn't labeled.

That's horrible.

From what I understand, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency requires that ALL ingredients be declared for allergens in all products, foreign or domestic.


Just from what I understand, there was a law passed called the Food Allergen Labeling And Consumer Protection Act of 2004 that lists 8 major allergens that have to be labelled in foods. However, I think there is something about lack of enforcement on medicines, or vitamin supplement products not falling into the same category or something like that. I can't remember what the issue was exactly. I think this law was an initial attempt to hit the largest allergy problem groups first and to get a handle on the other groups at a future date.
 
2013-10-15 02:22:22 PM  
In my 35 years of life I have only ever encountered one person with a nut allergy. Me. And not even severe. If I eat peanuts or walnuts my mouth and throat tingle in a slightly uncomfortable way. But still eat peanuts by the shovelful. Just too damned good to give up. Walnuts are a slightly worse reaction but do not like anyway. Again nothing severe no I do not worry about it.
 
2013-10-15 02:28:55 PM  

farkmedown: If the perp won't come forward and no one will rat him/her out, then punish all of them except the victim. Knock down their GPAs by one or prevent them from advancing to the next grade. Any further retaliation against the victim will increase the punishment for everyone.


YES,

/because that will help them for sure. dumbass.
 
2013-10-15 02:42:30 PM  

deanis: nickdaisy: Nut allergies are grossly over diagnosed. Most of these people claiming allergies (or children whose parents claim that their kids have allergies) are just self-entitled attention whores who probably failed to make a sports team or any actual friends. Their diagnosis is a social crutch for their failings.

For the best example of this, see autism. The "disease" that used to be known as "being a nerd."

I was with you until your completely ignorant last sentence.


& i'm sure folks with food allergies were with the both of you until they started reading your completely ignorant takes.
 
2013-10-15 02:52:24 PM  
Did she live?  /checks TFA
She did!

What's the big deal about nuts?  She can obviously live through an "attack".  It's all just hype.


/trolling
//obviously
///where did I put that flame suit...
 
2013-10-15 02:59:09 PM  

Highroller48: Okay, let's put it this way. I've been told by probably 100 people in my life that they're allergic to cigarette smoke, and not once have I ever seen any evidence such an allergy exists.

First, smoke is smoke. If you're allergic to my cigarette, you're allergic to a campfire as well. Secondly, at least some of those are people who smoke once you get a few drinks in them. Third, I have NEVER seen an allergic reaction to cigarette smoke.

It's a DISLIKE, not an allergy. People are crying wolf in an effort to force others to conform to their wishes.



I hate to keep replying to you with Farkisms, but you make it almost necessary: "The plural of anecdote isn't data."

Out of an alleged 100 people who claim a smoke allergy, you say that some of them will smoke on occasion. So if that number is (a rather generous) 35 out of 100 people who are faking it, should the 65 actual allergy sufferers be endangered because it's convenient for you to assume that they are among the fakers? And precisely what "evidence such an allergy exists" are you requiring of these people?

Finally, avoiding campfires is a lot easier than avoiding going into your job where there are a bunch of slobs smoking cigarettes by the entrance.
 
2013-10-15 03:08:51 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Highroller48: Okay, let's put it this way. I've been told by probably 100 people in my life that they're allergic to cigarette smoke, and not once have I ever seen any evidence such an allergy exists.

First, smoke is smoke. If you're allergic to my cigarette, you're allergic to a campfire as well. Secondly, at least some of those are people who smoke once you get a few drinks in them. Third, I have NEVER seen an allergic reaction to cigarette smoke.

It's a DISLIKE, not an allergy. People are crying wolf in an effort to force others to conform to their wishes.


I hate to keep replying to you with Farkisms, but you make it almost necessary: "The plural of anecdote isn't data."

Out of an alleged 100 people who claim a smoke allergy, you say that some of them will smoke on occasion. So if that number is (a rather generous) 35 out of 100 people who are faking it, should the 65 actual allergy sufferers be endangered because it's convenient for you to assume that they are among the fakers? And precisely what "evidence such an allergy exists" are you requiring of these people?

Finally, avoiding campfires is a lot easier than avoiding going into your job where there are a bunch of slobs smoking cigarettes by the entrance.


And there we have it. It's not a situation where it's an allergy, it's a situation of not liking the "slobs" conforming to their comfort zone.

/heard it here on Fark.
 
2013-10-15 03:21:52 PM  

kerrigand: farkmedown: If the perp won't come forward and no one will rat him/her out, then punish all of them except the victim. Knock down their GPAs by one or prevent them from advancing to the next grade. Any further retaliation against the victim will increase the punishment for everyone.

YES,

/because that will help them for sure. dumbass.


Okay, let the victim decide how to extract the information, should it be desired.
 
2013-10-15 03:52:29 PM  

Highroller48: Okay, let's put it this way. I've been told by probably 100 people in my life that they're allergic to cigarette smoke, and not once have I ever seen any evidence such an allergy exists.

First, smoke is smoke. If you're allergic to my cigarette, you're allergic to a campfire as well. Secondly, at least some of those are people who smoke once you get a few drinks in them. Third, I have NEVER seen an allergic reaction to cigarette smoke.


I can get hives from prolonged cigarette smoke, although I forget which specific chemical it contains that I actually hit on. Not sure if cigars or pipes do it too -- I've never been exposed to the density of smoke required from those.The worst is clothing that's been impregnated by it.

I mainly just learned to avoid bowling alleys.

I dunno, I'm allergic to cats and blue grass, too. Yet I pet the cat after mowing the lawn...

\Cat's too goddamn lazy to mow...
 
2013-10-15 07:10:02 PM  
Who cares? Natural selection.
 
2013-10-15 07:16:41 PM  

Marcintosh: You Are All Sheep: is there a reason we put peanut allergy people in with the regular folks?  why not make a blue room like we do for the tards and just keep them in there.

That's a great idea.  Then we can have a Red room and put all the haters in there.
And catholics in that one
And Asians in that one over there
and -
hey, as long as they're just standing around . . . why not find them something to do -
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I'm allergic to work, so I'm afraid I would need the La-Z-Boy room
 
2013-10-15 07:29:26 PM  

dotvincent: I hosted a party not long ago knowing full well that one of the guests, a four year old, is seriously allergic to nuts.  I made SURE that there were no nuts in any of the food and that nothing came into contact with nuts during preparation.

Some idiot decided to bring something to the party (against my wishes and so didn't even tell me she'd put it on the table) - chocolate chip cookies with nuts.  The kid took one bite, starting throwing up almost immediately, epi pen used and an immediate trip to the hospital.

Idiots.  When I tell you not to bring anything, I mean you should only bring wine!


Touching heroism.
 
2013-10-15 09:17:50 PM  
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Police are now questioning this man for putting the nut in her drink.
 
2013-10-15 09:25:51 PM  

kerrigand: And there we have it. It's not a situation where it's an allergy, it's a situation of not liking the "slobs" conforming to their comfort zone.

/heard it here on Fark.



No.

What I said was:  "...avoiding campfires is a lot easier than avoiding going into your job where there are a bunch of slobs smoking cigarettes by the entrance."

This was in reference to your equating cigarette smoke with campfires, and I was commenting on the fact that it's easier to avoid a campfire than a cigarette smoker in most people's day to day life. It in no way, to anyone other than a child, could be interpreted in the way you're pretending to take it. Grabbing onto my characterization of smokers as "slobs" and pretending that somehow carries the day for you is embarrassing to everyone over the age of 11 who read your comment.

"heard it here on Fark" my ass.
 
2013-10-16 02:54:25 AM  

kerrigand: How's that death penalty bit working out for ya?

Seeing as how you're all for it when it suits you.

/did someone actually have to point this out?


Sweden has the death penalty? I thought they got rid of that many years ago.
 
2013-10-16 06:49:26 PM  
I've seen firsthand someone disbelieve that someone else has a horrible shellfish allergy or that such things exist and basically poison them.  It's a weird level of malicious intent, like I mostly don't believe I'm doing harm and if so oh well...
 
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