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2013-10-15 10:55:13 AM  

FarkingReading: Louis CK to the rescue:

I'll give you an example, okay? Like of course, of course, children who have nut allergies need to be protected, of course. We have to segregate their food from nuts, have their medication available at all times, and anybody who manufactures or serves food needs to be aware of deadly nut allergies, of course, but maybe. Maybe if touching a nut kills you, you're supposed to die. Of course not, of course not, of course not. Jesus.
I have a nephew who has that. I'd be devastated if something happened to him. But maybe, maybe if we all just do this for one year, we're done with nut allergies for ever.


Wow.  I'm curious, has Louis CK ever said anything funny in his entire life?

FTA:

"We take this very seriously. If the student who put the nut in her drink knew she had a nut allergy then it's attempted manslaughter," said high school manager Bernt Ralfnert.

Uh, yeah.  It may have been life threatening (even if she didn't die), but does anyone really believe it was an attempt to kill her?

It's Sweden anyway.  All the intelligent Swedes migrated to the US over 100 years ago.  The person who slipped her a nut will probably get counseling instead of prison.
 
2013-10-15 10:56:36 AM  
My mother's friend is allergic to what seems like everything: corn, shellfish, cats, dogs, wool, etc. She's 75. To this day (I've known her almost 40 years.), I still question some of her allergy issues.
 
2013-10-15 10:56:47 AM  
What did they think would happen? Whoever believes kids between the ages of 12-20 have any sort of conscience is incredibly ignorant.

Tell them if you must. But make sure your EpiPen is on you and never leave your food/drink unattended.
 
2013-10-15 10:57:10 AM  

You Are All Sheep: is there a reason we put peanut allergy people in with the regular folks?  why not make a blue room like we do for the tards and just keep them in there.


That's a great idea.  Then we can have a Red room and put all the haters in there.
And catholics in that one
And Asians in that one over there
and -
hey, as long as they're just standing around . . . why not find them something to do -
geopolicraticus.files.wordpress.com
hot as the fires of hell.
 
2013-10-15 11:01:15 AM  
Remember this the next time somebody submits an "outrage" article because some crazy school officials somewhere ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in some public school. This is exactly why "zero tolerance" rules get enacted. Because people can't just not be assholes unless someone else hangs consequences over their heads for even the most obvious "do nots".
 
2013-10-15 11:01:40 AM  
gfid:FTA:

"We take this very seriously. If the student who put the nut in her drink knew she had a nut allergy then it's attempted manslaughter," said high school manager Bernt Ralfnert.

Uh, yeah.  It may have been life threatening (even if she didn't die), but does anyone really believe it was an attempt to kill her?


Something like involuntary manslaughter requires no actual intent to kill them, only doing something that led to their death. It is different in many regions, but manslaughter just requires that your act lead to someones death.
 
2013-10-15 11:02:03 AM  

bugmn99: At the school where my wife substitutes, there are whole classes of 'peanut kids'. The whole time I went through school though, I think I met one girl with a nut allergy. Is my experience rare or has there really been that much of an increase in the number of these allergy cases? If so, does anyone know of any studies being conducted to find out what the cause is?

This really bugs me for some reason.


I think there's something going on. Half the children in my kid's class have some sort of food sensitivity. My own kid is allergic to fish and some nuts (cashews and pistachios), my nephew is allergic to tree nuts in general, and my niece is dairy intolerant. Of my dad's 5 grandchildren, 3 have a food issue, while no one in his or my generation do in the extended family. I don't know what's behind all this, but something isn't right.
 
2013-10-15 11:03:38 AM  

Grumpy Cat: My mother's friend is allergic to what seems like everything: corn, shellfish, cats, dogs, wool, etc. She's 75. To this day (I've known her almost 40 years.), I still question some of her allergy issues.


Could it be she's genuinely allergic to some of those and is just freaking out about some of the others?

I just stuffed a handful of peanuts into my mouth....damn, they're tasty, but if I were allergic to peanuts and a few other things I'd be pretty worried about what other things I ate that might give me a bad reaction.

I might even development psychosomatic reactions to certain things.
 
2013-10-15 11:05:20 AM  

pkellmey: gfid:FTA:

"We take this very seriously. If the student who put the nut in her drink knew she had a nut allergy then it's attempted manslaughter," said high school manager Bernt Ralfnert.

Uh, yeah.  It may have been life threatening (even if she didn't die), but does anyone really believe it was an attempt to kill her?

Something like involuntary manslaughter requires no actual intent to kill them, only doing something that led to their death. It is different in many regions, but manslaughter just requires that your act lead to someones death.


A fair point, but how can one "attempt" to cause a death if death was not your intent?
 
2013-10-15 11:07:06 AM  

You Are All Sheep: is there a reason we put peanut allergy people in with the regular folks?  why not make a blue room like we do for the tards and just keep them in there.


Warlordtrooper: Oh good, another thread where people advocate we inconvenience a majority of people for the sake of a few people.


nickdaisy: Nut allergies are grossly over diagnosed. Most of these people claiming allergies (or children whose parents claim that their kids have allergies) are just self-entitled attention whores who probably failed to make a sports team or any actual friends. Their diagnosis is a social crutch for their failings.


You guys are Just adorable. I totally want to trip-trap over your bridges..
 
2013-10-15 11:07:17 AM  

bugmn99: If so, does anyone know of any studies being conducted to find out what the cause is?

This really bugs me for some reason.


Yeah, nursing mothers don't choose Jiff.
They don't pass on the antigens to the frog they carry, and it is born with an intolerance to just about everything, just like mommy.
If you are carrying a child, you owe it to the kid to eat everything. Give it a fighting chance.
Freaking nature/nurture, how the fark does that work?
 
2013-10-15 11:07:46 AM  
Nothing against looking after the basic needs of people with food allergens, HOWEVER:  If your gene pool is so defective that my kid merely having a snickers bar at lunch could actually KILL your kid just by the act of being in the same room, then keep your farking bubble-child at home.

Krymson Tyde: As the father of a child with peanut and tree nut allergies I'm pleased to see the thread populated mostly by understanding and empathetic Farkers as opposed to the trolls/assholes.


Again, I have no issues with providing a basic accommodation to protect your child.  BUT, turning an entire school into a level 4 quarantine zone, wherein the mere presence of a single nut is treated akin to a bomb threat, necessitating a full Hazmat Team response is a ludicrous overreaction to the problem.

Not only that, but sometimes a peanut butter sandwich is a good, inexpensive way for a low-income family to at least try and give their kid a nutritious lunch at school.

There's GOT to be a middle ground.  What's next....exterminate all the bees and starve us all to death because someone's kid is allergic to bee venom?

It's not trolling to say that we shouldn't disrupt the lives of a thousand or more kids every day just because of one child's medical issues.  If you want to ensure cafeteria items are nut-free, or if you want to designate a certain area of the lunch room as nut free, or even if you want to make the kid's clasroom a safe-zone, that's fine.  But at some point you reach the limits of what can be considered a reasonable accommodation, and it's time to look at whether the kid is suited to the environment, instead of the other way around.
 
2013-10-15 11:07:51 AM  

Cold_Sassy: MycroftHolmes: Warlordtrooper: Oh good, another thread where people advocate we inconvenience a majority of people for the sake of a few people.

I will take up the strawman.  Are you that self centered and narcistic that it bothers you that much to make a few reasonable accommodations to avoid putting someone else's life at risk?  Are you really that special?

Yes, because kids are always trying to force-feed each other peanuts.  Just shut your mouth, and don't eat peanuts/everybody wins.


Yes, kids will occasionally (Accidentally and on purpose) feed each other stuff they shouldn't.  And yes, some allergies are to the point that any cross contamination will lead to severe discomfort.  It is not at all difficult to buy nut free snacks or products.
 
2013-10-15 11:08:16 AM  

gfid: FarkingReading: Louis CK to the rescue:

I'll give you an example, okay? Like of course, of course, children who have nut allergies need to be protected, of course. We have to segregate their food from nuts, have their medication available at all times, and anybody who manufactures or serves food needs to be aware of deadly nut allergies, of course, but maybe. Maybe if touching a nut kills you, you're supposed to die. Of course not, of course not, of course not. Jesus.
I have a nephew who has that. I'd be devastated if something happened to him. But maybe, maybe if we all just do this for one year, we're done with nut allergies for ever.

Wow.  I'm curious, has Louis CK ever said anything funny in his entire life?

FTA:

"We take this very seriously. If the student who put the nut in her drink knew she had a nut allergy then it's attempted manslaughter," said high school manager Bernt Ralfnert.

Uh, yeah.  It may have been life threatening (even if she didn't die), but does anyone really believe it was an attempt to kill her?

It's Sweden anyway.  All the intelligent Swedes migrated to the US over 100 years ago.  The person who slipped her a nut will probably get counseling instead of prison.


This is the kind of stuff the concept of manslaughter was created for, doing reckless or stupid thing that can kill people.
 
2013-10-15 11:10:00 AM  

nickdaisy: Nut allergies are grossly over diagnosed. Most of these people claiming allergies (or children whose parents claim that their kids have allergies) are just self-entitled attention whores who probably failed to make a sports team or any actual friends. Their diagnosis is a social crutch for their failings.

For the best example of this, see autism. The "disease" that used to be known as "being a nerd."


IT'S A SYNDROME, DAMMIT!
 
2013-10-15 11:11:20 AM  

You Are All Sheep: is there a reason we put peanut allergy people in with the regular folks?  why not make a blue room like we do for the tards and just keep them in there.


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Actually, this story leads me to believe that the "tard" that needs to be kept in a special padded room is the one that put the peanut in the drink.  Actually, if the peanut was intentionally placed in the drink (with the intent to harm the girl with the allergy), you can substitute the padded room with a jail cell.
 
2013-10-15 11:12:25 AM  

gfid: pkellmey: gfid:FTA:

"We take this very seriously. If the student who put the nut in her drink knew she had a nut allergy then it's attempted manslaughter," said high school manager Bernt Ralfnert.

Uh, yeah.  It may have been life threatening (even if she didn't die), but does anyone really believe it was an attempt to kill her?

Something like involuntary manslaughter requires no actual intent to kill them, only doing something that led to their death. It is different in many regions, but manslaughter just requires that your act lead to someones death.

A fair point, but how can one "attempt" to cause a death if death was not your intent?


Involuntary vs Voluntary Manslaughter; Voluntary means essentially 'mitigated, but intentional murder', like 'heat of the moment' or 'not premeditated'. Involuntary means 'You were too stupid to realize you were acting with lethal force, and you had a criminal intent.' Sweden's laws and especially legal definitions probably matter here, not to mention potential issues with translation. In America this would probably fall under Felony Poisoning, plus other general 'intent to cause harm' laws.
 
2013-10-15 11:12:49 AM  

skozlaw: Remember this the next time somebody submits an "outrage" article because some crazy school officials somewhere ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in some public school. This is exactly why "zero tolerance" rules get enacted. Because people can't just not be assholes unless someone else hangs consequences over their heads for even the most obvious "do nots".


Or, you know, we could just discipline the little asshole kids that did it.  "Zero Tolerance" rules do nothing to address root causes, turn into nothing more than an easy-out for those in authority, and end up morphing into collective punishment regimes that just breed more resentment than they docompliance.
 
2013-10-15 11:14:52 AM  
FTFA: "We take this very seriously. If the student who put the nut in her drink knew she had a nut allergy then it's attempted manslaughter," said high school manager Bernt Ralfnert.

I realize they need to keep things all "allegedly" in an investigation like this, but I really hate that they're keeping the door open for this idiot's inevitable "What? She's allergic to nuts? Should I not have done that?" defense. Are we all supposed to pretend that kids randomly drop nuts in drinks all the time, and this was just an unfortunate coincidence?
 
2013-10-15 11:17:17 AM  
gfid:

A fair point, but how can one "attempt" to cause a death if death was not your intent?

I don't know how it works in Sweden, but in many jurisdictions some form of "conditional intent" is enough if you were aware of and accepted a significant chance that your actions would be fatal (e.g. playing Russian roulette with someone else's head.)

Still seems like a stretch in this case.
 
2013-10-15 11:18:06 AM  

NewWorldDan: bugmn99: At the school where my wife substitutes, there are whole classes of 'peanut kids'. The whole time I went through school though, I think I met one girl with a nut allergy. Is my experience rare or has there really been that much of an increase in the number of these allergy cases? If so, does anyone know of any studies being conducted to find out what the cause is?

This really bugs me for some reason.

I think there's something going on. Half the children in my kid's class have some sort of food sensitivity. My own kid is allergic to fish and some nuts (cashews and pistachios), my nephew is allergic to tree nuts in general, and my niece is dairy intolerant. Of my dad's 5 grandchildren, 3 have a food issue, while no one in his or my generation do in the extended family. I don't know what's behind all this, but something isn't right.


I believe at least one of the theories is because we've basically *eliminated* all parasites (hook worms, pinworms, etc) from, well, ourselves.

There is at least a portion of our immune system that is *finely tuned* to keep such parasites in check (or to try to). We've evolved dealing with these parasites for millions of years.

In about three generations we've basically eliminated them as a chronic problem. So now we have a portion of our immune system primed and trained and built to detect an invader... that it winds up not having to deal with anymore. So it misfires. Sort of like what happens when you give police officers military training and weapons: They start using them in inappropriate circumstances.

/Note: I am not a biologist. Or a medical doctor. This is just something I recall reading a few years back, dunno if this research is panning out or not.
 
2013-10-15 11:18:52 AM  
Kids are dumb.  I can see how this played out.  "Nut allergy? That doesn't really exist. She is just a hypochondriac. I'll prove it by putting a nut in her drink."

After the investigation: "Oops. My bad." (poops in pants/learns valuable lesson/becomes an immunologist).
 
2013-10-15 11:20:28 AM  

Krymson Tyde: As the father of a child with peanut and tree nut allergies I'm pleased to see the thread populated mostly by understanding and empathetic Farkers as opposed to the trolls/assholes.


Same here.  Daughter is allergic to cashews and pistachios.  (Why does it have to be the best tree nuts!?!?!?)  Luckily, she does not have so severe a reaction as to close off her airways, but if she eats one, she looks like she went a round or two with Mike Tyson.  Oh, yeah...she is only 2 years old, so it is not a "put on" like some other Farkers in this thread would imply.

The one good thing about her allergy is that I don't have pounds of pistachios in the house anymore, which means I don't eat them in bulk anymore, which means that I don't spend the next day running to the bathroom to blow mud anymor....er, uh, for THAT reason.
 
2013-10-15 11:21:20 AM  
Wanted for questioning:
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2013-10-15 11:21:44 AM  

Highroller48: Nothing against looking after the basic needs of people with food allergens, HOWEVER:  If your gene pool is so defective that my kid merely having a snickers bar at lunch could actually KILL your kid just by the act of being in the same room, then keep your farking bubble-child at home.

Krymson Tyde: As the father of a child with peanut and tree nut allergies I'm pleased to see the thread populated mostly by understanding and empathetic Farkers as opposed to the trolls/assholes.

Again, I have no issues with providing a basic accommodation to protect your child.  BUT, turning an entire school into a level 4 quarantine zone, wherein the mere presence of a single nut is treated akin to a bomb threat, necessitating a full Hazmat Team response is a ludicrous overreaction to the problem.

Not only that, but sometimes a peanut butter sandwich is a good, inexpensive way for a low-income family to at least try and give their kid a nutritious lunch at school.

There's GOT to be a middle ground.  What's next....exterminate all the bees and starve us all to death because someone's kid is allergic to bee venom?

It's not trolling to say that we shouldn't disrupt the lives of a thousand or more kids every day just because of one child's medical issues.  If you want to ensure cafeteria items are nut-free, or if you want to designate a certain area of the lunch room as nut free, or even if you want to make the kid's clasroom a safe-zone, that's fine.  But at some point you reach the limits of what can be considered a reasonable accommodation, and it's time to look at whether the kid is suited to the environment, instead of the other way around.


I'm not suggesting you ban nuts, turn the school into a hazardous zone, disrupt lives, whatever. Her school is aware of her allergies. Children with allergies in her class eat at a table different from the other children and everyone washes their hands after meals and snacks. We provide nut-free snacks for her to eat at snack time and send treats for her when another child has a birthday rather than insist other parents bend over backwards for us.

We're teaching her to look out for herself since ultimately it's going to be her responsibility when she gets older, but as a kindergartner, she's going to need a little help staying healthy.

On the other hand, we got more than a little pissed when another kid said he was going to smear a peanut butter sandwich on her face.
 
2013-10-15 11:24:02 AM  
Humans are bastards.
 
2013-10-15 11:25:17 AM  

StanleyPuff: Krymson Tyde: As the father of a child with peanut and tree nut allergies I'm pleased to see the thread populated mostly by understanding and empathetic Farkers as opposed to the trolls/assholes.

Same here.  Daughter is allergic to cashews and pistachios.  (Why does it have to be the best tree nuts!?!?!?)  Luckily, she does not have so severe a reaction as to close off her airways, but if she eats one, she looks like she went a round or two with Mike Tyson.  Oh, yeah...she is only 2 years old, so it is not a "put on" like some other Farkers in this thread would imply.

The one good thing about her allergy is that I don't have pounds of pistachios in the house anymore, which means I don't eat them in bulk anymore, which means that I don't spend the next day running to the bathroom to blow mud anymor....er, uh, for THAT reason.


I've had to give up pb&j sandwiches and nuts as snacks myself. It's not a big deal for me, but it saddens me that she'll never get to enjoy those or a Reece Cup.
 
2013-10-15 11:30:46 AM  
If this allergy is so serious, how many people did it kill last year?  Thousands?  Hundreds?  Dozens?

Face it-- very few people actually have acute but allergies. The rest are just panty waists.

Same thing with autism.
 
2013-10-15 11:32:30 AM  

abhorrent1: nut attack on schoolgirl


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2013-10-15 11:34:07 AM  

Krymson Tyde: 've had to give up pb&j sandwiches and nuts as snacks myself. It's not a big deal for me, but it saddens me that she'll never get to enjoy those or a Reece Cup.


I've mostly given up tree nuts.  My step-son is diabetic, so I got used to giving up foods when I realized a young diabetic cannot be trusted in a household with sugar laden foods readily available.

Tree nuts have been harder for me.  I have (on occasion) stashed pistachios in my garage workbench so that I can hide and eat them like an addict after the kids go to sleep.  (Incessant hand washing/showering to ensue just afterward.)

Please don't tell Mrs. Puff.
 
2013-10-15 11:34:17 AM  
I don't understand the concern about parents who merely decide that their kids have food allergies.  I thought food allergies, like any other allergies, were easily identified by a doctor administering a skin test, and anyone who required an accommodation because of a food allergy would have to provide medical documentation.  Why would anyone take food allergy claims seriously when a parent has not provided any medical documentation to back it up?

I also thought there were methods doctors can use to desensitize kids to food allergies over time.  I know anecdotes do not equal definitive proof, but I once had a neighbor with a kid who was severely allergic to peanuts.  I mean multiple trips to the emergency room because he couldn't breathe kind of severe.   It was definitely medically documented. His doctor started exposing him to peanuts at regular intervals.  Eventually his symptoms lessened.

Once a food allergy has been documented medically, it should be accommodated, but the accommodation still should be reasonable.  If your kid can't be within 10 ft of another kid that ate peanut butter without risk of instant death, your kid probably shouldn't be at school with other kids.  If it's a case of your kid knowing the beginning symptoms, knowing what to do (such as accessing an epipen or other medication) and being allowed to do it (such as being ALLOWED access at school to an epipen or other medication) then perhaps common sense should prevail.

/I can dream, can't I?
//Also, came for the Freaks and Geeks reference
/for whom does the third slashie toll; it tolls for thee
 
2013-10-15 11:37:23 AM  
Close the campus for lunch and make them eat school food until someone admits doing it.

Then kill them.

/and the nutter
 
2013-10-15 11:39:12 AM  

Krymson Tyde: I'm not suggesting you ban nuts, turn the school into a hazardous zone, disrupt lives, whatever. Her school is aware of her allergies. Children with allergies in her class eat at a table different from the other children and everyone washes their hands after meals and snacks. We provide nut-free snacks for her to eat at snack time and send treats for her when another child has a birthday rather than insist other parents bend over backwards for us.

We're teaching her to look out for herself since ultimately it's going to be her responsibility when she gets older, but as a kindergartner, she's going to need a little help staying healthy.



In my view, this is EXACTLY the right way to handle this.  Of course some school support is very rightfully needed, particularly for younger kids, but it's about finding a balance.  You seem to have found that balance very well.  (And if I was inviting your kid to a brithday party, I'd be totally cool about making it a nut-free event.  It's a small intimate group, not 500 strangers.  I have friends with kids who can't eat gluten because of celiac disease, and when I cook dinner I try and at least provide them with some enjoyable options.)


On the other hand, we got more than a little pissed when another kid said he was going to smear a peanut butter sandwich on her face.

Dude, I'd be in farking JAIL if that happened to me.  Hell, I once swung my kid's backpack at a car because they whizzed through a crosswalk while we were in it.  Scared the ever-loving shiat out of the driver when she heard the 'thump' on her quarter panel.  You're God-damned right to be pissed.  This is where schools and parents (of both kids) need to be heavily involved.
 
2013-10-15 11:42:09 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Warlordtrooper: Oh good, another thread where people advocate we inconvenience a majority of people for the sake of a few people.

I will take up the strawman.  Are you that self centered and narcistic that it bothers you that much to make a few reasonable accommodations to avoid putting someone else's life at risk?  Are you really that special?


^^ this.

I'm one of the first to being a arsehole, when some mother declares her snowflake to be allergic to everything just so she can protect such snowflake. There are times, when those aren't being snowflakes and truly are allergic. This makes it tough for us to differentiate between the two. People need to quit crying wolf, until such time as wolf is truly there. Thus making it easier for the rest of us to tell the difference. We're not the ones that has to do the work for you, it's up to you.
 
2013-10-15 11:48:27 AM  

SevenizGud: Close the campus for lunch and make them eat school food until someone admits doing it.

Then kill them.

/and the nutter


That's your answer? Force everyone into snowflake land and then kill them? I knew that I had you favorited as a true liberal, and you just proved it. No need for everyone to worry about guns, your libs will be more than happy if you die in a fire.
 
2013-10-15 11:52:11 AM  

StanleyPuff: Krymson Tyde: 've had to give up pb&j sandwiches and nuts as snacks myself. It's not a big deal for me, but it saddens me that she'll never get to enjoy those or a Reece Cup.

I've mostly given up tree nuts.  My step-son is diabetic, so I got used to giving up foods when I realized a young diabetic cannot be trusted in a household with sugar laden foods readily available.

Tree nuts have been harder for me.  I have (on occasion) stashed pistachios in my garage workbench so that I can hide and eat them like an addict after the kids go to sleep.  (Incessant hand washing/showering to ensue just afterward.)

Please don't tell Mrs. Puff.


It'll be our secret.
 
2013-10-15 11:52:50 AM  

Schrodinger's Basement Cat: I also thought there were methods doctors can use to desensitize kids to food allergies over time. I know anecdotes do not equal definitive proof, but I once had a neighbor with a kid who was severely allergic to peanuts. I mean multiple trips to the emergency room because he couldn't breathe kind of severe. It was definitely medically documented. His doctor started exposing him to peanuts at regular intervals. Eventually his symptoms lessened.


A doctor friend of mine and I were discussing this at length one night (over far too many Crown Royals).  I think the "boil-everything, sterilize the planet" mentality we've developed in our parenting is largely to blame for much of this.
-Every time you turn around there's a hand-sanitizer pump.  Problme is, these kill BENEFICIAL bacteria, too.
-We boil perfectly safe water before we dare mix it with baby formula
-"OMG!  Don't eat that, you're PREGNANT!"
-God forbid we fail to instantly sterilize a soother (or a pacifier, to you Yanks) that the kid drops on the floor for 2 seconds.
-We practically faint any time a kid puts a "dirty" toy in their mouths.

I think we're defeating our kids' natural ability to develop an effective immune system.  I remember getting a call from a day home worker because my daughter had been "caught" blowing bubbles in a mud puddle in the playground.  You'd think she'd ingested rat poison, the way they were talking.  They wanted to know if we wanted to come and take her to a doctor.  FFS, even if she'd gotten a case of the craps, it's not the end of the world.  We need to get off this kick of hyper-sanitizing our world and let a few million years' worth of evolution do it's job.  If we vaccinate our kids properly, teach them good basic hygene, and stop teaching them that there's microscopic death waiting to pounce on every doorknob, they'll be happier in the short term and HEALTHIER in the long term.
 
2013-10-15 11:53:01 AM  

Krymson Tyde: As the father of a child with peanut and tree nut allergies I'm pleased to see the thread populated mostly by understanding and empathetic Farkers as opposed to the trolls/assholes.


Well, that depends...do you demand the world that comes in contact with your daughter and anyone who crosses her path be nut free?  Or did you educate her on what to watch out for and does she carry an epi pen?*

*I realize this is dependent on her age
 
2013-10-15 11:53:07 AM  
How's that death penalty bit working out for ya?

Seeing as how you're all for it when it suits you.

/did someone actually have to point this out?
 
2013-10-15 11:53:58 AM  

kerrigand: SevenizGud: Close the campus for lunch and make them eat school food until someone admits doing it.

Then kill them.

/and the nutter

That's your answer? Force everyone into snowflake land and then kill them? I knew that I had you favorited as a true liberal, and you just proved it. No need for everyone to worry about guns, your libs will be more than happy if you die in a fire.


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2013-10-15 11:56:08 AM  

Diogenes: kerrigand: SevenizGud: Close the campus for lunch and make them eat school food until someone admits doing it.

Then kill them.

/and the nutter

That's your answer? Force everyone into snowflake land and then kill them? I knew that I had you favorited as a true liberal, and you just proved it. No need for everyone to worry about guns, your libs will be more than happy if you die in a fire.

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I couldn't agree more, smh.
 
2013-10-15 11:59:16 AM  
I knew someone once who adamantly claimed that she was so allergic to cats, that she would have a severe asthma attack if she were even in the same room with someone who owned a cat.

Unbeknownst to her I had four cats at the time.  She always seemed completely comfortable when she was in the same room with me.

People like that make it so much more difficult for the people who really do have life-threatening allergies.


/that is all
 
2013-10-15 12:05:03 PM  

StanleyPuff: Krymson Tyde: As the father of a child with peanut and tree nut allergies I'm pleased to see the thread populated mostly by understanding and empathetic Farkers as opposed to the trolls/assholes.

Same here.  Daughter is allergic to cashews and pistachios.  (Why does it have to be the best tree nuts!?!?!?)  Luckily, she does not have so severe a reaction as to close off her airways, but if she eats one, she looks like she went a round or two with Mike Tyson.  Oh, yeah...she is only 2 years old, so it is not a "put on" like some other Farkers in this thread would imply.

The one good thing about her allergy is that I don't have pounds of pistachios in the house anymore, which means I don't eat them in bulk anymore, which means that I don't spend the next day running to the bathroom to blow mud anymor....er, uh, for THAT reason.


Just to make sure you're aware, if someone has an allergic reaction to cashews they're also likely to be allergic to mango, as they're related. I'm allergic to both, and while I have never had a reaction to pistachios, I avoid them just in case my allergy starts acting up with them too. Some forms of mango are okay (I've never had a problem eating dried mango), but the same chemical in cashew oil that causes the allergic reaction is in mango skin as well, so fresh mango is too risky to eat, as are juices that use mango puree.
 
2013-10-15 12:06:16 PM  

Highroller48: Schrodinger's Basement Cat: I also thought there were methods doctors can use to desensitize kids to food allergies over time. I know anecdotes do not equal definitive proof, but I once had a neighbor with a kid who was severely allergic to peanuts. I mean multiple trips to the emergency room because he couldn't breathe kind of severe. It was definitely medically documented. His doctor started exposing him to peanuts at regular intervals. Eventually his symptoms lessened.

A doctor friend of mine and I were discussing this at length one night (over far too many Crown Royals).  I think the "boil-everything, sterilize the planet" mentality we've developed in our parenting is largely to blame for much of this.
-Every time you turn around there's a hand-sanitizer pump.  Problme is, these kill BENEFICIAL bacteria, too.
-We boil perfectly safe water before we dare mix it with baby formula
-"OMG!  Don't eat that, you're PREGNANT!"
-God forbid we fail to instantly sterilize a soother (or a pacifier, to you Yanks) that the kid drops on the floor for 2 seconds.
-We practically faint any time a kid puts a "dirty" toy in their mouths.

I think we're defeating our kids' natural ability to develop an effective immune system.  I remember getting a call from a day home worker because my daughter had been "caught" blowing bubbles in a mud puddle in the playground.  You'd think she'd ingested rat poison, the way they were talking.  They wanted to know if we wanted to come and take her to a doctor.  FFS, even if she'd gotten a case of the craps, it's not the end of the world.  We need to get off this kick of hyper-sanitizing our world and let a few million years' worth of evolution do it's job.  If we vaccinate our kids properly, teach them good basic hygene, and stop teaching them that there's microscopic death waiting to pounce on every doorknob, they'll be happier in the short term and HEALTHIER in the long term.


You may be on to something there.  I remember my mother telling me about the kids who lived across the street from her when she was a kid whose mother insisted on keeping them clean all the time. They weren't allowed to get dirty at all.  They were also sick all the time with one thing or another.

I'm pretty sure my siblings and I put all kinds of things we picked up off the ground in our mouths as kids.  If it was warm enough outside, we were outside and filthy.  I'm the only one with any kind of a food allergy and its a mild allergy to mangoes, which I'm told is related to being allergic to poison ivy.
 
2013-10-15 12:07:36 PM  
Those kids must belong to the Farkers who think that all allergy sufferers are faking it.

/except themselves, of course
 
2013-10-15 12:09:57 PM  

Wolfscythe: Just to make sure you're aware, if someone has an allergic reaction to cashews they're also likely to be allergic to mango, as they're related. I'm allergic to both, and while I have never had a reaction to pistachios, I avoid them just in case my allergy starts acting up with them too. Some forms of mango are okay (I've never had a problem eating dried mango), but the same chemical in cashew oil that causes the allergic reaction is in mango skin as well, so fresh mango is too risky to eat, as are juices that use mango puree.


Wow that's interesting. As I said, I have a mild mango allergy.  Basically I break out in a rash and have to take antihistamines.  I never had issues with cashews, though.
 
2013-10-15 12:10:38 PM  

NewWorldDan: bugmn99: At the school where my wife substitutes, there are whole classes of 'peanut kids'. The whole time I went through school though, I think I met one girl with a nut allergy. Is my experience rare or has there really been that much of an increase in the number of these allergy cases? If so, does anyone know of any studies being conducted to find out what the cause is?

This really bugs me for some reason.

I think there's something going on. Half the children in my kid's class have some sort of food sensitivity. My own kid is allergic to fish and some nuts (cashews and pistachios), my nephew is allergic to tree nuts in general, and my niece is dairy intolerant. Of my dad's 5 grandchildren, 3 have a food issue, while no one in his or my generation do in the extended family. I don't know what's behind all this, but something isn't right.


I was thinking the same. When I was a kid I can only remember one kid from k-12 that was allergic to nuts, I dont know what he had but he mostly ate rice cakes with peanut butter on them, maybe it was a bread/gluten thing. Hell everyone ate peanut butter in elementary school. At the school I vote at they have a sign on the library "Peanut Free Zone". It is odd how kids seem allergic to so much these days.
 
2013-10-15 12:10:39 PM  

ThurmanMerman: People like that make it so much more difficult for the people who really do have life-threatening allergies.


So true.

CSB: walking my dog, some paranoid woman yells to her daughter (who had her back turned to us) to watch out. Kid turns around, just sees the dog and starts screaming.  (Which is terribly embarrassing because everyone around thought she had been bitten.)  I got annoyed, told the kid to get a grip, and then the mother starts shrieking about how "allergic" her daughter is.  I told her to take her kid home then, because there are about 100 dogs in my neighborhood and that kid was going to die.

Stupid, but CSB: a friend of the family has a nut, milk, egg and fish allergy (I don't know how his mother raised him).  Walks around with an epi-pen 24/7. In his 20s, a little drunk and with friends, he decides to test how bad his allergies are by eating some fish.  He woke up in the hospital two days later.  Dumbass.
 
2013-10-15 12:14:07 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Those kids must belong to the Farkers who think that all allergy sufferers are faking it.

/except themselves, of course


Not everyone is faking an allergy. There are those that truly have an allergy. Then, there are those that think their snowflakes are allergic to everything. You're not helping. If they are, that's cool. We'll be more than happy to accommodate you. If you're the nut that wants for some reason your snowflake to be allergic to everything, then you've just deemed them worthless. Life will find a way to accommodate your snowflakes......
 
2013-10-15 12:17:19 PM  
Wolfscythe:

Just to make sure you're aware, if someone has an allergic reaction to cashews they're also likely to be allergic to mango,

Thanks for the heads up.  We actually have a list of things to look out for and I believe Mango was on it.  Same with macadamia nuts.
 
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