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(Slate)   "Your tablet computer is not cool. Your rideshare app is not cool. Your TED Talk on mindful tweeting is--I hope you'll agree--pretty clearly not cool"   (slate.com ) divider line
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2013-10-15 10:52:33 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt: This is a blindingly inane point of view, and I hope you are not in any position of power in the Tech world.

I would have said "spot on". Tablet 'computers' are for the technologically backward. They serve no additional function outside of appearing 'cool' and 'intelligent', with the *only* benefit being a slightly larger viewing area. Everything else is downside.

Anyone arguing for their use with reference to productivity is either intentionally or unintentionally delusional. They're toys and status symbols. Nothing more.


The real way to spot a faux tech "expert", someone who dismisses any piece of technology outside of their own bubble of productivity as a "useless toy." Yes, tablets are primarily geared towards passive consumption in their use. But hell most desktop and laptop computers are also pretty heavily used for passive media consumption as well.

There are plenty of sectors where tablets work better than a laptop and help improve productivity. There are also many cases where they make certain types of computer use more comfortable. I'm a scientist who does a lot of programming and data analysis, it also means I read a lot of the scientific literature. Tablets are one of the most convenient ways of reading the literature right now and have a lot of advantages over reading a PDF on a laptop or desktop, over an e-reader, and over a physical copy. That increases productivity in many ways. Hell both my external examiner and one of my committee members read and annotated my thesis that way for my defense.

There are also sectors like healthcare where tablets can be great for handling of electronic data where you only need to do small amounts of input and need to be very mobile. That can increase productivity too.

Whether most people using a piece of technology use it for consumption and just having fun is irrelevant to whether or not it is a useful or productive piece of technology.
 
2013-10-15 11:52:27 AM  
Of course it is not "cool" now. It is either "amazing" or "the worst thing ever" with nothing in between.
 
2013-10-15 12:25:46 PM  
Yeah, it's about 4 decades too late for this argument, man.
 
2013-10-15 12:37:51 PM  

entropic_existence: The real way to spot a faux tech "expert", someone who dismisses any piece of technology outside of their own bubble of productivity as a "useless toy." Yes, tablets are primarily geared towards passive consumption in their use. But hell most desktop and laptop computers are also pretty heavily used for passive media consumption as well.


There's nothing wrong with tablets per se. The problem is they stopped being cool the moment Luddites turned them into a technocrusade against all other computing devices, backed by the loud barking voices of the pseudo tech experts that staff the technology sections of fish wrap news papers.
They're loudly shouting the death of all computing devices that are not capacitive touchscreen smartphones or tablets with "curated" (i.e. restrictive) UIs.

1. Miniaturization = $$$ - Anyone with even passing knowledge of computer engineering can tell you this. That means you pay more for less when you put tiny little chips inside a tiny little device. And it means you get more for less when you buy the big honking chips that you put inside a desktop PC. The constant whining about laggy interfaces in tiny tablets, not even gaming just the device's basic interface and video watching functionality, is proof enough of that in view of those device's high costs. Insert lecture about the high cost of smartphones masked by the insanely expensive mobile contracts forced on the user by mobile phone companies here.

2. Restrictive UIs = $$$ - The reason Apple and other companies are pushing these "curated", closed, restrictive systems to the ignorant masses is that it allows them to completely control the "application ecosystem". That mean they control the means of distribution and transaction, and thereby reap the financial benefits. There is no other reason this needs to be so, as shown by Android's open interface and application installation environment. With proper software engineering, with an iTunes style distribution platform such as Google Play, you can please both the tech savvy and the tech ignorant.

3. Power and adaptability = USEFUL - Which is a lesson the newly initiated are learning the hard way. After shelling out far too much money for far too little power and utility, now they're shelling out yet more for basic functionality. Oh, you want to be able to type more than 10 words a minute? I guess you can buy our branded bluetooth keyboard and mouse, here's our stupid flat keyboard that rolls up and is horrible to use. Oh, you want to use Office? I guess you should upgrade to the Pro so you can actually get some work done. Oh, you want more than 3 hours of battery life? I guess it's time to upgrade. Oh, you want more than almost no storage at all? Guess you should buy some more expensive per GB than hard drives SD cards. Oh, you want to play video games that don't suck? Well, upgrade to our Pro 2 Expensive Edition tablet.

You can argue that anyone can learn these things with some simple self education through Google or Amazon, but the exact same argument goes for a laptop or PC with less restrictive storage (hard drives) and less cost for the power and utility.

The levels of HERP-DEE-DERP surrounding tablets has reached levels unseen since the levels of DEEERRRP DEEE DEEERP surrounding the iPhone in the 2009. Tablets and smartphones are nice pieces of tech, nice new toys in the world of computing that fill a needed roll, but they're not the Living God Returned on Earth to Salvation us from Satan Himself the Desktop Computer. And every time I read a "pundit" proclaiming such, something Fark has linked to more than once, I get a little more annoyed, same as I do everytime someone blames mental illness for every murder in the world, despite the existence of vast armies of sane men trained to kill by sane men, of cold blooded killers who kill for money or vengeance or fools who kill while intoxicated in moments of rage.
 
2013-10-15 12:41:48 PM  
Everyone in this thread is just precious.
 
2013-10-15 12:46:09 PM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: I refer to them as craptops. Neither one nor the other. Can't run an EDI at anything approximating usable speed, can't run a VM, limited RAM, power-shy CPU...



I hate being rude, but..if this is what you demand from all your tech products then your life sounds boring as fark. Or you just hate technology outside of your work, but I doubt that.
 
2013-10-15 12:46:17 PM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt: This is a blindingly inane point of view, and I hope you are not in any position of power in the Tech world.

I would have said "spot on". Tablet 'computers' are for the technologically backward. They serve no additional function outside of appearing 'cool' and 'intelligent', with the *only* benefit being a slightly larger viewing area. Everything else is downside.

Anyone arguing for their use with reference to productivity is either intentionally or unintentionally delusional. They're toys and status symbols. Nothing more.


They are pretty useful in some situations but for most, a desktop or a laptop would be a superior choice. At least they take care of situations where more traditional PCs wouldn't work so well, but I'll agree anyone who sees the tablet as an all-in-one-desktop (or even laptop) replacement is a moron.
 
2013-10-15 12:49:29 PM  

LasersHurt: ReverendJasen: LasersHurt: I want to be sure you're both aware you're referring to a form factor that includes full Windows 8 machines. Are you both aware of this?

Yes.  And they're still toys.  Outside of some specialty POS uses, if I want to really get work done, I use a PC with a keyboard and mouse.  If I want to fire birds from catapults or slice digital fruit, I use a tablet.  The OS on it is irrelevant to that.

So it's irrelevant to you that you can attach a keyboard and mouse?


At that point, wouldn't a more powerful laptop or desktop be better for what you need to do? Yay with a tablet you can dock it to hardware to make it like a desktop PC... and in the bargain lose all the benefits of the tablet all in one package that's not at all as powerful as a proper laptop. Oh gee sign me up.
 
2013-10-15 12:53:34 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: LasersHurt: ReverendJasen: LasersHurt: I want to be sure you're both aware you're referring to a form factor that includes full Windows 8 machines. Are you both aware of this?

Yes.  And they're still toys.  Outside of some specialty POS uses, if I want to really get work done, I use a PC with a keyboard and mouse.  If I want to fire birds from catapults or slice digital fruit, I use a tablet.  The OS on it is irrelevant to that.

So it's irrelevant to you that you can attach a keyboard and mouse?

At that point, wouldn't a more powerful laptop or desktop be better for what you need to do? Yay with a tablet you can dock it to hardware to make it like a desktop PC... and in the bargain lose all the benefits of the tablet all in one package that's not at all as powerful as a proper laptop. Oh gee sign me up.


You can add things to a tablet to increase functionality, but without them it's extremely mobile and light. You cannot remove things from a laptop to make it more tablet like. Also, the newest win8 tablets are quite powerful, easily on par with average laptops (if not high-end models).
 
2013-10-15 01:19:40 PM  

LasersHurt: You can add things to a tablet to increase functionality, but without them it's extremely mobile and light. You cannot remove things from a laptop to make it more tablet like. Also, the newest win8 tablets are quite powerful, easily on par with average laptops (if not high-end models).


My point is if you need to add things to the tablet to make it useful for  X activity, maybe a laptop etc. would be a better choice for X. I'm not saying tablets don't have uses, just that they aren't the be-all end-all some people want to claim.
 
2013-10-15 01:21:54 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: LasersHurt: You can add things to a tablet to increase functionality, but without them it's extremely mobile and light. You cannot remove things from a laptop to make it more tablet like. Also, the newest win8 tablets are quite powerful, easily on par with average laptops (if not high-end models).

My point is if you need to add things to the tablet to make it useful for  X activity, maybe a laptop etc. would be a better choice for X. I'm not saying tablets don't have uses, just that they aren't the be-all end-all some people want to claim.


Strawman fight, HO
 
2013-10-15 01:36:13 PM  

LasersHurt: Crotchrocket Slim: LasersHurt: You can add things to a tablet to increase functionality, but without them it's extremely mobile and light. You cannot remove things from a laptop to make it more tablet like. Also, the newest win8 tablets are quite powerful, easily on par with average laptops (if not high-end models).

My point is if you need to add things to the tablet to make it useful for  X activity, maybe a laptop etc. would be a better choice for X. I'm not saying tablets don't have uses, just that they aren't the be-all end-all some people want to claim.

Strawman fight, HO


To be fair I don't think you are making any sort of argument I should be giving up my desktops.
 
2013-10-15 01:43:19 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: LasersHurt: Crotchrocket Slim: LasersHurt: You can add things to a tablet to increase functionality, but without them it's extremely mobile and light. You cannot remove things from a laptop to make it more tablet like. Also, the newest win8 tablets are quite powerful, easily on par with average laptops (if not high-end models).

My point is if you need to add things to the tablet to make it useful for  X activity, maybe a laptop etc. would be a better choice for X. I'm not saying tablets don't have uses, just that they aren't the be-all end-all some people want to claim.

Strawman fight, HO

To be fair I don't think you are making any sort of argument I should be giving up my desktops.


Certainly not. I just kind of lump the "end-all be-all computer destroyer" argument along with "status symbol". Seems like something that nobody really believes.

/with the exception of the occasional un-researched news article, but this is Fark, I'd suspect we're all aware of how good the media is
 
2013-10-15 01:50:13 PM  
Farking thread about cool turns into a geek tab slap fight over electronics. But hey, we lost the music tab which, at its worst, was several billion times cooler than a gadgetgasm, or somebody dressed like a Japanase cartoon driving to a con in a car shaped like a croissant.

"So not" cool that it pains me to witness it.
 
2013-10-15 02:08:24 PM  

barefoot in the head: "So not" cool that it pains me to witness it.


Then shut up and leave. Nobody dragged you in by your short hairs you whiny little prat.
 
2013-10-15 02:22:26 PM  
Bark off, you nitwit.
 
2013-10-15 03:20:48 PM  
For the author's sake, let's replace "Cool" with "Crescent Fresh", or just "Cress" for short.
 
2013-10-15 03:30:24 PM  

LasersHurt: nulluspixiusdemonica: 'prestige'.

Explain to me why you think ANYONE thinks there's prestige involved? I've never encountered anyone who thinks tablets are a matter of prestige or are status symbols, and I work with Mobile Devices for a living. It sounds like something you've made up to whine about.


Well, as the IT Department Lead for a medium sized government ministry I can tell you from personal experience, that most of the execs using tablets are doing it PRECISELY because it is a prestige/status kinda thing.  I have had deputy ministers call me into their offices to personally let me know "they travel just as much as DM so-and-so and are tired of being the only person at the table with a laptop..."

I also know that they have the technical capacity of a retarded Amish dung shoveler and Win8 will blow their tiny little minds, but they have the clout, so they get the toys...

On thew other hand, the Surface Pro is an awesome tool that I use all day every day to get my work done...
 
2013-10-15 05:23:14 PM  
Oh look, people still care about TED even though it's been shown to be more of a cult then Scientology.
 
2013-10-15 05:39:35 PM  

wallywam1: FrancoFile: nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt: This is a blindingly inane point of view, and I hope you are not in any position of power in the Tech world.

I would have said "spot on". Tablet 'computers' are for the technologically backward. They serve no additional function outside of appearing 'cool' and 'intelligent', with the *only* benefit being a slightly larger viewing area. Everything else is downside.

Anyone arguing for their use with reference to productivity is either intentionally or unintentionally delusional. They're toys and status symbols. Nothing more.

So much this.

There are valid business uses - Square register, smart-room controls that also hook into room reservation (conference rooms).  But 99% of tablets are just used for games and media consumption.

If I can't run a development suite for a modern language on it, plus a web server and database server in sandbox mode, it's not a computer.

Set up your sandbox servers and access them through terminal services. Same with any apps you want to run. Though that may not be an option for everyone.


I want the sandbox in my hand.  I'm not dealing with the hassle of configuration management (software, utilities, services, etc.) on a remote server and accidentally exposing my code to the world until I'm done with it.  Not to mention that I may not have connectivity everywhere I want to use the device.

/I sometimes work in a Faraday cage
 
2013-10-15 09:03:07 PM  
The first time I see some insufferable douche wearing a Google Glass it will take every ounce of my being not to slap that stupid thing off his face.
 
2013-10-16 02:43:39 AM  
whatthefarkamIreading.jpg
 
2013-10-16 07:56:38 AM  

lordaction: Oh look, people still care about TED even though it's been shown to be more of a cult then Scientology.


[citation needed]

Or was your talk just rejected?
 
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