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(LA Times)   Ranchers who supported government shutdown stunned at lack of federal aid after unexpected blizzard. "One appropriate role for these guys is to lend a hand after disasters like this and they're not here"   (latimes.com) divider line 567
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2013-10-15 12:01:34 AM
Sucks to be you.
 
2013-10-15 12:02:29 AM
Eat some yellow snow assholes
 
2013-10-15 12:03:32 AM
Socialism!
 
2013-10-15 12:04:20 AM
Good luck South Dakotans. I hope your winter isn't as harsh as this storm was.

And you are stupid for thinking the Government is bad. Your great grandparents would be very disappointed in you.
 
2013-10-15 12:05:14 AM
The only appropriate role of government is the stuff that helps me directly.
 
2013-10-15 12:07:11 AM
3,2,1 til this is Obama's fault from the Baggers
 
2013-10-15 12:08:52 AM
Someone said they wanted the shut down and got it. I hear they're very excited
 
2013-10-15 12:09:38 AM
Guess they should have had some good, old fashioned free market insurance...
 
2013-10-15 12:10:24 AM
My gauge is whether they were fer or agin hurricane Sandy relief.
 
2013-10-15 12:22:31 AM
Looks like this thread is really going to being out the classy and sympathetic side of fark, judging by these early comments.
 
2013-10-15 12:24:30 AM
Things Whistleridge Has Noticed a 1:1 Correlation Between, Government Edition:

1. People who hate ACA, and people who have never had to live without insurance
2. People who think we're not hard enough on crime, and people who have never been to jail
3. People who rail against homosexuality, and people who are closet repressed homosexuals
4. People who think minimum wage is too high, and people who have never had to get by on minimum wage
5. People who think government is terrible, invasive, and incompetent, and people who don't want anything from it

I have said this before, and I will say it again. And again. And again:

Why do these people hate our government so much? This isn't the 1970s, and we aren't paying the Civil Service wages that are 20-50% higher than the market to get slow and incompetent service in return. Reagan's complain was timely...in 1980. Times change.

Why do you have so much loyalty to a corporation, but not to your government? It's YOURS. YOU build it, YOU fix it, YOU have a say in it. If you don't like it, rework it until you do. Don't burn it down out of spite. That corporation you're so proud to support openly admits trying to fleece you for every dollar it can, it won't give you the slightest say in what it does, and it will deny you every right and privilege it can if it is profitable or expedient to do so.

Your government protects you from outsiders. It educates you as a child. It helps fund your higher education after school. It helps you buy a home, ensure healthcare for your kids, get safe food and clean drinking water, pay a fair price for essential foodstuffs, and gives you a safety net of last resort if things go badly wrong. 

Why would you ever abandon the US government, the single greatest invention in our country's history, the one thing you and I and everyone in this thread absolutely have in common with Jefferson, Washington, Lincoln, and everyone in between? What twisted line of thought could lead you to do such a thing, and then to call yourself a patriot?

Shame on you. On every Republican who says 'government is the problem'. No. The Republican Party is the problem. ANY group that tries to come between me and MY government in the problem. And it's your problem too.
 
2013-10-15 12:25:03 AM
I'm an independent, but I think it's despicable that Obama would use his weather machine against these fine conservative ranchers just to make a point about the government slimdown.
 
2013-10-15 12:26:12 AM

Elegy: Looks like this thread is really going to being out the classy and sympathetic side of fark, judging by these early comments.


Cry moar
 
2013-10-15 12:26:44 AM
Oops
 
2013-10-15 12:28:04 AM

whistleridge: Things Whistleridge Has Noticed a 1:1 Correlation Between, Government Edition:

1. People who hate ACA, and people who have never had to live without insurance
2. People who think we're not hard enough on crime, and people who have never been to jail
3. People who rail against homosexuality, and people who are closet repressed homosexuals
4. People who think minimum wage is too high, and people who have never had to get by on minimum wage
5. People who think government is terrible, invasive, and incompetent, and people who don't want anything from it

I have said this before, and I will say it again. And again. And again:

Why do these people hate our government so much? This isn't the 1970s, and we aren't paying the Civil Service wages that are 20-50% higher than the market to get slow and incompetent service in return. Reagan's complain was timely...in 1980. Times change.

Why do you have so much loyalty to a corporation, but not to your government? It's YOURS. YOU build it, YOU fix it, YOU have a say in it. If you don't like it, rework it until you do. Don't burn it down out of spite. That corporation you're so proud to support openly admits trying to fleece you for every dollar it can, it won't give you the slightest say in what it does, and it will deny you every right and privilege it can if it is profitable or expedient to do so.

Your government protects you from outsiders. It educates you as a child. It helps fund your higher education after school. It helps you buy a home, ensure healthcare for your kids, get safe food and clean drinking water, pay a fair price for essential foodstuffs, and gives you a safety net of last resort if things go badly wrong. 

Why would you ever abandon the US government, the single greatest invention in our country's history, the one thing you and I and everyone in this thread absolutely have in common with Jefferson, Washington, Lincoln, and everyone in between? What twisted line of thought could lead you to do such a thing, ...


Counterargument: BECAUSE SOSHULISM
 
2013-10-15 12:32:05 AM
Well, sir, I would suggest you find a bootstrap and yank it really hard.
 
2013-10-15 12:33:34 AM

Elegy: the classy and sympathetic side of fark

--



There's a classy and sympathetic side of Fark?

WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?
 
2013-10-15 12:33:36 AM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Counterargument: BECAUSE SOSHULISM


Rebuttal: I'm on my second round of Machallan 30. It makes me poetic. What's YOUR excuse? :p
 
2013-10-15 12:37:41 AM

Elegy: Looks like this thread is really going to being out the classy and sympathetic side of fark, judging by these early comments.


So I'm supposed to sympathize with a guy who thinks the government should be shut down for everyone but him?  I may be losing my job soon, my mom will be furloughed by the end of the week, and my dad may lose his social security, but I'm supposed to care that someone lost their cattle?  Welcome to shared sacrifice.  This is what they wanted, so they're getting it hard just like the rest of us.  All of these ruggedly independent bootstrappers are suddenly discovering that their actions have consequences.  Maybe they'll think twice next time they decide to support a bunch of sociopaths who are more than happy to sell the rest of us out.
 
2013-10-15 12:38:54 AM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Elegy: Looks like this thread is really going to being out the classy and sympathetic side of fark, judging by these early comments.

Cry moar


Mmm, yes, classy and sympathetic, just like I predicted.

You're doing a great job at showing that east coast liberals can truly rise above the ridiculous bile of partisan politics to lend their thoughts and sympathies to their fellow American citizens that have been struck by a national disaster not of their own making.

That attitude of yours is exactly what this country needs, and its going to do wonders to convince these people that liberals, democrats, and "city folk" really do want to help the people of rural America, like they always claim.

Carry on, my good man. Carry on. This country needs more caring people like you.
 
2013-10-15 12:39:55 AM

Mentat: Elegy: Looks like this thread is really going to being out the classy and sympathetic side of fark, judging by these early comments.

So I'm supposed to sympathize with a guy who thinks the government should be shut down for everyone but him?  I may be losing my job soon, my mom will be furloughed by the end of the week, and my dad may lose his social security, but I'm supposed to care that someone lost their cattle?  Welcome to shared sacrifice.  This is what they wanted, so they're getting it hard just like the rest of us.  All of these ruggedly independent bootstrappers are suddenly discovering that their actions have consequences.  Maybe they'll think twice next time they decide to support a bunch of sociopaths who are more than happy to sell the rest of us out.


THIS. Fark the 'baggers, and fark them hard. Liberal does not equal pushover.
 
2013-10-15 12:40:36 AM

Elegy: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Elegy: Looks like this thread is really going to being out the classy and sympathetic side of fark, judging by these early comments.

Cry moar

Mmm, yes, classy and sympathetic, just like I predicted.

You're doing a great job at showing that east coast liberals can truly rise above the ridiculous bile of partisan politics to lend their thoughts and sympathies to their fellow American citizens that have been struck by a national disaster not of their own making.

That attitude of yours is exactly what this country needs, and its going to do wonders to convince these people that liberals, democrats, and "city folk" really do want to help the people of rural America, like they always claim.

Carry on, my good man. Carry on. This country needs more caring people like you.


Again, CRY MOAR
 
2013-10-15 12:41:32 AM
It was funny to hear Limbaugh on this subject today.  He had his panties in a twist because one of the SD ranchers wrote this op-ed today using the blizzard as an example of how government can be helpful.  Also, in the piece, the author made a comment about Limbaugh and Hannity living 'pampered' lives.

At the end of his rant, Limbaugh dismisses the whole problem because so what if the ranchers have to wait a few days for aid:

"What has been harmed by the shutdown? Because the USDA farm services offices are closed, so ranchers can't begin the process of applying for relief from losses? A couple days are gonna make that much of a difference? How about the USDA takes weeks, if not months to process these loss applications in the best of times."

Immediately after, he segued to a discussion of the horrors of the WWII memorial shut-down...

/farking idiot...
 
2013-10-15 12:52:28 AM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Mentat: Elegy: Looks like this thread is really going to being out the classy and sympathetic side of fark, judging by these early comments.

So I'm supposed to sympathize with a guy who thinks the government should be shut down for everyone but him?  I may be losing my job soon, my mom will be furloughed by the end of the week, and my dad may lose his social security, but I'm supposed to care that someone lost their cattle?  Welcome to shared sacrifice.  This is what they wanted, so they're getting it hard just like the rest of us.  All of these ruggedly independent bootstrappers are suddenly discovering that their actions have consequences.  Maybe they'll think twice next time they decide to support a bunch of sociopaths who are more than happy to sell the rest of us out.

THIS. Fark the 'baggers, and fark them hard. Liberal does not equal pushover.


It's not even that.  I don't want to see anyone suffer because of this mess, but I have my own problems to deal with and I just don't have the sympathy to spare for people that didn't think their cunning plan all the way through.  I didn't ask for any of this but I have to deal with it.  They did ask for it, so now they need to see exactly what the bootstrappy no-government life entails.
 
2013-10-15 12:54:00 AM

Elegy: That attitude of yours is exactly what this country needs, and its going to do wonders to convince these people that liberals, democrats, and "city folk" really do want to help the people of rural America, like they always claim.


This is what they wanted.  They got it.  Now they get to live with it, just like the rest of us.
 
2013-10-15 12:54:03 AM

Mentat: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Mentat: Elegy: Looks like this thread is really going to being out the classy and sympathetic side of fark, judging by these early comments.

So I'm supposed to sympathize with a guy who thinks the government should be shut down for everyone but him?  I may be losing my job soon, my mom will be furloughed by the end of the week, and my dad may lose his social security, but I'm supposed to care that someone lost their cattle?  Welcome to shared sacrifice.  This is what they wanted, so they're getting it hard just like the rest of us.  All of these ruggedly independent bootstrappers are suddenly discovering that their actions have consequences.  Maybe they'll think twice next time they decide to support a bunch of sociopaths who are more than happy to sell the rest of us out.

THIS. Fark the 'baggers, and fark them hard. Liberal does not equal pushover.

It's not even that.  I don't want to see anyone suffer because of this mess, but I have my own problems to deal with and I just don't have the sympathy to spare for people that didn't think their cunning plan all the way through.  I didn't ask for any of this but I have to deal with it.  They did ask for it, so now they need to see exactly what the bootstrappy no-government life entails.


I get you there. I don't really have it in me to be as callous as the Baggers, but I can't say that I tear up at people reaping what they sow.
 
2013-10-15 12:54:25 AM
Many residents in this conservative region had supported the government shutdown as a way to make Washington more fiscally responsible. "But one appropriate role for these guys is to lend a hand after disasters like this," Christen said, "and they're not here."

"The government is evil and should be shut down, but they should help me when I need it"

...this is teabaggery in a nutshell.
 
2013-10-15 12:55:43 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Many residents in this conservative region had supported the government shutdown as a way to make Washington more fiscally responsible. "But one appropriate role for these guys is to lend a hand after disasters like this," Christen said, "and they're not here."

"The government is evil and should be shut down, but they should help me when I need it"

...this is teabaggery in a nutshell.


The biggest THIS ever
 
2013-10-15 12:58:58 AM

Elegy: You're doing a great job at showing that east coast liberals can


Always love watching someone tie ONE PERSON'S comment into an entire "group".

Whatever gets you through the night, eh?

No comment on the ranchers who were happy to see others suffer. You just BEGGED for some confirmation bias so you wouldn't have to do any real thinking.
 
2013-10-15 12:59:22 AM
As someone city born and city raised I don't know squat about meat on the hoof, is the meat somehow ruined when the critter freezes to death? Isn't there a way to salvage some of it that would still be fit for human consumption?

Feel free to ridicule and/or mock me, but this is an honest question.
 
2013-10-15 12:59:32 AM
"One appropriate role" = things that affect MEEEEEEE, but f*ck everybody else who needs help.

And this guy probably thinks Millennials are the selfish ones.
 
2013-10-15 01:00:00 AM
My condolences to all concerned.   If this is what it takes for some folks to get why civilized people prefer a stable government then thats too bad, but I dont see any point in kicking people when they're down.
 
2013-10-15 01:02:16 AM

Philbb: As someone city born and city raised I don't know squat about meat on the hoof, is the meat somehow ruined when the critter freezes to death? Isn't there a way to salvage some of it that would still be fit for human consumption?

Feel free to ridicule and/or mock me, but this is an honest question.


They sell young cattle to feedlots for fattening. Baby cows all dead. Mama cows all dead.

Well they would have been dead soon anyways but at least then their bodies would not have gone to waste.
 
2013-10-15 01:02:29 AM

quickdraw: My condolences to all concerned.   If this is what it takes for some folks to get why civilized people prefer a stable government then thats too bad, but I dont see any point in kicking people when they're down.


If I truly felt that this would be treated as a learning moment I would be more sympathetic, and I am willing to eat crow if it becomes such, but I foresee this as further "proof" that Obama is an evil dictator who hates white culture.
 
2013-10-15 01:02:31 AM

Elegy: You're doing a great job at showing that east coast liberals can truly rise above the ridiculous bile of partisan politics to lend their thoughts and sympathies to their fellow American citizens that have been struck by a national disaster not of their own making.


And rural teabaggers are doing a great job of showing that they care by supporting massive cuts in food stamps...but don't you dare cut farm subsidies!!1!  Oh, and let's not forget all the red-state legislators who stood staunchly in the way of Sandy aid - screw them northeast librulz!!

The shutdown that is screwing them is coming straight from the actions of the politicians they support.  Hey, I want them to get help, even if they are teabaggers.  It would be nice if they helped out by not supporting tea party douchebags in the future - then shiat like this wouldn't happen.
 
2013-10-15 01:05:11 AM

mediablitz: Elegy: You're doing a great job at showing that east coast liberals can

Always love watching someone tie ONE PERSON'S comment into an entire "group".

Whatever gets you through the night, eh?

No comment on the ranchers who were happy to see others suffer. You just BEGGED for some confirmation bias so you wouldn't have to do any real thinking.


::rolls eyes::

Check the guy's profile. He lives on the east coast. He's a liberal. The comment was a direct reply to him and pertinent to the political point he was trying to make.

Didn't stop you from jumping to conclusions about me, though, did it? I suppose you just BEGGED for some confirmation bias so you wouldn't have to do any real thinking.
 
2013-10-15 01:09:38 AM

Mentat: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Mentat: Elegy: Looks like this thread is really going to being out the classy and sympathetic side of fark, judging by these early comments.

So I'm supposed to sympathize with a guy who thinks the government should be shut down for everyone but him?  I may be losing my job soon, my mom will be furloughed by the end of the week, and my dad may lose his social security, but I'm supposed to care that someone lost their cattle?  Welcome to shared sacrifice.  This is what they wanted, so they're getting it hard just like the rest of us.  All of these ruggedly independent bootstrappers are suddenly discovering that their actions have consequences.  Maybe they'll think twice next time they decide to support a bunch of sociopaths who are more than happy to sell the rest of us out.

THIS. Fark the 'baggers, and fark them hard. Liberal does not equal pushover.

It's not even that.  I don't want to see anyone suffer because of this mess, but I have my own problems to deal with and I just don't have the sympathy to spare for people that didn't think their cunning plan all the way through.  I didn't ask for any of this but I have to deal with it.  They did ask for it, so now they need to see exactly what the bootstrappy no-government life entails.


Same here.  They cancelled all of my National Guard training until further notice (that's at least one paycheck totally gone), and I probably won't be getting my monthly stipend for the G.I. Bill, since I'm in college full time. (Paycheck number two).  I have no idea since the hotline for VA education benefits is shutdown.

You really want me to give a shiat about people suffering financially who actually WANTED the shutdown to happen?  Yeah, I'll get right on that.
 
2013-10-15 01:11:44 AM

SilentStrider: Sucks to be you.


Apparently it sucks to be you.

Regardless of their politics, 80,000 in their herds died and this is a tragedy, not just for the beef industry, but just think what it means to raise these cattles and care for them and then see them wiped out like this.

Imagine your cat or dog lost in a snow storm and then multiply by 80,000.

I honestly don't know what they would expect the gov't to do at this point but hand out checks, but I don't really care either. I'm not crazy about their politics, but I am not going to "sucks to be you" to them.
 
2013-10-15 01:11:55 AM

Somacandra: Elegy: the classy and sympathetic side of fark

--

There's a classy and sympathetic side of Fark?

WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?


*cough*

/tap
//is this thing on?
///OK, I'm not really all that classy and often a mean spirited bastiche, especially for particular brands of stoopid, but I do try at least...
 
2013-10-15 01:14:07 AM

Elegy: You're doing a great job


...at holier than thou grandstanding using romanticized Western rural populism as a prop? Yeah, you're doing a bang-up job of that. Don't let me stop you though. Please proceed, Elegy.
 
2013-10-15 01:15:01 AM

Elegy: Looks like this thread is really going to being out the classy and sympathetic side of fark, judging by these early comments.


I am sorry that these people are facing hardship due to forces outside their control, it's not their fault the cold snap killed their livestock. That being said, do you know the story of the Little Red Hen? These people are against taxation and fine with the government shutdown right up until the moment they need government aid. Sorry, that's not how it works. I'm sorry they got hit with a loss, but if they don't want government, they don't get government, and their complaints about lack of government aid get no sympathy.
 
2013-10-15 01:16:22 AM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: quickdraw: My condolences to all concerned.   If this is what it takes for some folks to get why civilized people prefer a stable government then thats too bad, but I dont see any point in kicking people when they're down.

If I truly felt that this would be treated as a learning moment I would be more sympathetic, and I am willing to eat crow if it becomes such, but I foresee this as further "proof" that Obama is an evil dictator who hates white culture.


Some, in fact many if you talk to them, have doubts. They are cynical about all politicians. Much like the really hard core leftists I know. It just seems that any movement towards common ground at this point is a good thing. We dont know if there will be lasting benefits but there is nothing to lose by being kind.

This is rather unavoidable proof of two things they've been lied to about for decades - climate change and the need for a federal government. So yeah. I feel for them. I mean seriously imagine being brain washed your whole life and then this..... Its awful.
 
2013-10-15 01:18:01 AM

Sgt Otter: They cancelled all of my National Guard training until further notice (that's at least one paycheck totally gone),


Question: If they do the back-pay for federal employees after this mess blows over, do you get included in that? Or are you really just screwed out of a paycheck?
 
2013-10-15 01:19:55 AM

fusillade762: The only appropriate role of government is the stuff that helps me directly.


THIS!
I am so glad that these assholes got what hey deserve.
The government that they demanded!!
 
2013-10-15 01:20:43 AM

RoyBatty: Regardless of their politics, 80,000 in their herds died and this is a tragedy, not just for the beef industry, but just think what it means to raise these cattles and care for them and then see them wiped out like this.


I didn't read SilentStrider's comment as callousness towards the deaths of those animals or the sadness at seeing one's hard work wiped out. I read it as callousness towards a myopic and provincialist view of politics from a population that should know better than to fark with the economic safety net that has undergirded agriculture in this country for almost a hundred years--as appropriate criticism for a group of people that seem to think theirs are the only problems that government should be tackling in a country of 350+ million people. You don't stick a red-hot poker up your ass and then wonder why the room smells like charred rectal membranes.
 
2013-10-15 01:20:55 AM

Philbb: As someone city born and city raised I don't know squat about meat on the hoof, is the meat somehow ruined when the critter freezes to death? Isn't there a way to salvage some of it that would still be fit for human consumption?

Feel free to ridicule and/or mock me, but this is an honest question.


Cattle are butchered while they are stunned, but still alive so the beating heart and gravity will drain the carcass of blood pretty quickly. If the body is frozen out in a field it can take hours or days before it can be attended to. By then the blood has coagulated and settled (lividity) and can't be removed from the meat so decomp happens much faster.

It's a complete loss. I don't even think you can sell that meat for dog food but I don't know the regulations. Definitely NFHC (not for human consumption) at best.
 
2013-10-15 01:25:34 AM

RoyBatty: Imagine your cat or dog lost in a snow storm and then multiply by 80,000.


Seriously? You're equating pets with livestock?
 
2013-10-15 01:25:48 AM

hubiestubert: Guess they should have had some good, old fashioned free market insurance...


Mentat: Well, sir, I would suggest you find a bootstrap and yank it really hard.


whistleridge: Things Whistleridge Has Noticed a 1:1 Correlation Between, Government Edition:

1. People who hate ACA, and people who have never had to live without insurance
2. People who think we're not hard enough on crime, and people who have never been to jail
3. People who rail against homosexuality, and people who are closet repressed homosexuals
4. People who think minimum wage is too high, and people who have never had to get by on minimum wage
5. People who think government is terrible, invasive, and incompetent, and people who don't want anything from it

I have said this before, and I will say it again. And again. And again:

Why do these people hate our government so much? This isn't the 1970s, and we aren't paying the Civil Service wages that are 20-50% higher than the market to get slow and incompetent service in return. Reagan's complain was timely...in 1980. Times change.

Why do you have so much loyalty to a corporation, but not to your government? It's YOURS. YOU build it, YOU fix it, YOU have a say in it. If you don't like it, rework it until you do. Don't burn it down out of spite. That corporation you're so proud to support openly admits trying to fleece you for every dollar it can, it won't give you the slightest say in what it does, and it will deny you every right and privilege it can if it is profitable or expedient to do so.

Your government protects you from outsiders. It educates you as a child. It helps fund your higher education after school. It helps you buy a home, ensure healthcare for your kids, get safe food and clean drinking water, pay a fair price for essential foodstuffs, and gives you a safety net of last resort if things go badly wrong. 

Why would you ever abandon the US government, the single greatest invention in our country's history, the one thing you and I and everyone in this thread absolutely have in common with Jefferson, Washington, Lincoln, and everyone in between? What twisted line of thought could lead you to do such a thing, ...


THIS
I love you guys/girls/farkers so very much.


quickdraw: My condolences to all concerned.   If this is what it takes for some folks to get why civilized people prefer a stable government then thats too bad, but I dont see any point in kicking people when they're down.


fark THEM. I HOPE THEY FREEZE TO DEATH.
If this asshole had said "Wow, I was wrong. We need a government. It plays important rolls, not just when I need help, but when others need help."
Well then I might feel sympathy.

WHAT THEY SAID was ...
fark WHERE IS MY FREE STUFF?!!!!!  fark EVERYONE ELSE!!!

SO fark THEM
LET THEM DIE

FREE MARKET RULEZ!!!

/I need another drink.
 
2013-10-15 01:27:31 AM
Whats the matter, run out of bootstraps?
 
2013-10-15 01:28:32 AM

namatad: /I need another drink.


no, you don't
 
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