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(Sun Sentinel)   Guy gets stranded at the beach naked after his friend steals all his clothes, so he decides to run home nude. This being Florida, naturally a stranger shoots him dead   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 326
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2013-10-15 08:39:35 AM  
There was a naked guy in Florida eating people a little while ago.
 
2013-10-15 08:40:04 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: defending


Shooting a naked person you backtracked to confront is not self-defense.

The argument you people put forth in these cases always rests entirely on the notion that there is no responsibility on the part of the shooter for his actions in the lead-up to the shooting. That's ridiculous. People with guns should be expected to exercise MORE responsibility, not be completely absolved of it.
 
2013-10-15 08:40:14 AM  
All joking aside, my bet drugs were involved.
 
2013-10-15 08:41:08 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Gunther: I like how in your rush not to judge you've already decided the dead guy was a violent monster and the shooter was a good Samaritan.

By linking quotes from the article? F*ck me I must be crazy

HotWingConspiracy: Past is prelude.

And your ridiculous attempts at playing Devils Advocate here basically indicate you think the same thing.

You've already indicated how you feel about anyone defending themselves. It's obviously their fault, you don't need to say anything else


When and where did I say this?

BTW, your bleeding heart "I would have tried to help this nude citizen in danger" shtick is an obvious lie. You act like you've never posted on this site before.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-15 08:41:20 AM  

skozlaw: Very very few people have a problem with "castle doctrine" laws that allow you to shoot someone in your home if they broke in. Personally, I don't even have a problem with castle doctrine laws that allow you to shoot a clearly unarmed person committing a robbery in your hom


I defintely have no problem with castle doctrine laws.  The thing is that even with that there is an reasonable expectation of using the amount of force needed.  Just because someone climbs in your window doesn't necessarily means you can yell "he's coming right fer me!" and shoot in the head.

A naked man is a VERY vulnerable man.  Shoot him in the leg.  I don't have all the facts, but it sure sounds like it at least needed to be investigated.
 
2013-10-15 08:43:07 AM  

prjindigo: Naked running guy probably tried to force his way into the guy's car.

That's carjacking, in Florida its an immediate death sentence.



I there was a hint of an attempted carjacking, I suspect it would have been mentioned in the reports.
 
2013-10-15 08:45:05 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Some friend. With friends like that...


... who needs enemas? {sic}
 
2013-10-15 08:45:12 AM  

Aussie_As: Sure Australians get arrested for streaking in public if caught, but we've never claimed to be the land of the free. Our constitution doesn't provide for particular rights or freedoms very much, and it's just sort of left that if there isn't a law against it you're possibly free to do it.

Just what are Americans free to do in the land of the free that is special? Running home naked would be normal behaviour in Germany.


We don't have really have freedom in the United States. In America, you're free to do as you're goddamn told to do, son, but not whatever you want.

And if you're doing anything out of the norm, clearly you're perpetrating a crime and you're going to be killed, either by a Righteous Citizen or the police. Once you're dead, then questions will be asked, like "Why was he terrorizing the community with his nudity? Why was he being black? We may never know, but at least our Morals (TM) are still intact."
 
2013-10-15 08:45:39 AM  

d23: Misconduc: Its 3 am and three 18 yr old thugs break into your house, yeah you are sitting in a closet calling 911, no you shoot and ask questions later.

The obvious difference here, however, is there is ACTUAL DANGER involved.  It's a home invasion!

The naked guy running home doesn't represent actual danger... at least not the facts we know.  If the law can't distinguish between actual danger and "he needed killin'!" then it's a bad law.


There is to many facts missing, for example this "naked" man got into a fight with a passing motorist - how does the motorist know he wasn't just involved in a violent rape? Why would he start a fight if he's naked and just trying to run home?
Martin was just going home too when he attacked someone as well, it didn't end well either.

It always has ACTUAL danger, how people view that danger is the problem - guns are not the problem, village idiots carrying them are the problem .
 
2013-10-15 08:46:51 AM  
Lernaeus:
And if you're doing anything out of the norm, clearly you're perpetrating a crime and you're going to be killed, either by a Righteous Citizen or the police. Once you're dead, then questions will be asked, like "Why was he terrorizing the community with his nudity? Why was he being black? We may never know, but at least our Morals (TM) are still intact."

it's what Jesus would have wanted
 
2013-10-15 08:47:03 AM  
Take note other states... this is how you earn a Fark Tag. I see you there, Texas; shooting each other over high school football. And hey, before March 3, 1845, that might have gotten you somewhere.

But until you're willing to watch a man running naked down the street, turn around in your car, shoot him in the stomach killing him, and NOT be charged with a crime, you're just not worthy.

timothykingcade.com
 
2013-10-15 08:47:03 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: When and where did I say this?

BTW, your bleeding heart "I would have tried to help this nude citizen in danger" shtick is an obvious lie. You act like you've never posted on this site before.


By automatically calling him a George Zimmerman type of guy

Are you stalking me?
 
2013-10-15 08:49:12 AM  

skozlaw: Shooting a naked person you backtracked to confront is not self-defense.


Confront? That's an odd choice of words for not knowing what exactly happened
 
2013-10-15 08:50:22 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ...less than a mile into a 10-mile journey...

Well, at least he didn't have to run all that way, then get shot.


Coffee hurts coming out your nose, you know.

/+1
 
2013-10-15 08:53:36 AM  
Tox Screen or STFU.
 
2013-10-15 08:54:08 AM  
You know... Speaking as a white person.... Florida sounds like a really safe place to live. There's some comfort in knowing that my fellow citizens will confront and gun down crazy guy on PCP, or the 80 year old man next to me is going to light up the punks trying to rob us at the "computer cafe".

You can't lose your home to bankruptcy in FL either... Man what a paradise.
 
2013-10-15 08:54:23 AM  

Confabulat: This About That: Confabulat: But it's cool for white kids?

This About That: I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that self preservation is also an important consideration.

I still don't get it. You're saying people are more likely to shoot a naked black guy running down the street than a naked white one?


Only if you are stupid and trigger happy.

Several years ago, outside Ft. Lewis (in Tillicompton, as we like to call it), I has an encounter with a naked black guy who was clearly strung out on something or other. Guy yanked open my truck door and started to reach in looking for... money? I was armed with my .40 cal (because... Tillicompton) and never even considered drawing my weapon--the guy wasn't even a threat in his condition. Grabbed his wrists, placed my boot flat against his chest, and pushed (rather forcefully) with my leg. Shut the truck, locked the door, and dialled 911 on the cell. Cops picked him up a few blocks away at the gas station across from Gertie's.

Generally speaking, unless he's been trained from his youth by someone whose surname is Gracie, a naked black man is not a threat and does not warrant a shooting... or even the drawing of a weapon. Then again, this happened in FL. No one expects the application of sense from anyone in FL.
 
2013-10-15 08:54:42 AM  
I'm sure he was just about to turn his life around, too.

/a lot of details missing from this story.
 
2013-10-15 08:55:35 AM  

GeneralSubliminal: His head was in his stomach?


This actually caught my attention - the man was shot in the stomach.  Wouldn't that be about eye level from a sitting position within a car?
 
2013-10-15 08:57:23 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: When and where did I say this?

BTW, your bleeding heart "I would have tried to help this nude citizen in danger" shtick is an obvious lie. You act like you've never posted on this site before.

By automatically calling him a George Zimmerman type of guy


"Automatically"?

I actually laid it out as a possibility when you asked if there was only one way it could go.

Are you stalking me?

You fall in to a special category of site members.
 
2013-10-15 09:00:39 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: You fall in to a special category of site members.


The kind you love and admire? Thanks, I'm speechless. I don't know who to thank first
 
2013-10-15 09:01:42 AM  

Raider_dad: "He was running naked, yes, but he had no choice. And knowing my son he would have forgiven the man who shot him."

Don't be so sure , he did kill me Dad.


What people say sometimes amazes me, but it can be eminently expository.

"He had no choice". Does she really believe that? There was no object anywhere to use to shield his nudity? Like it or not, there are laws about displaying your junk in public. He could have carried a plastic bag and simply covered up when the occasional passer by passed by. And does she really know that her son would forgive the officious intermeddler who shot and killed him? To the extent that she shaped his world view, mom's simplistic and flawed understanding of the universe may explain her busboy-unmarried-father-at-19 son's poor judgment that night.
 
2013-10-15 09:02:51 AM  
Sitting in the car waiting on something, I note that in my backseat is a trenchcoat that would allow a naked running man to cover up, and that my feet are still a bit sore from having walked far less pavement barefoot yesterday.

I also have rags in the trunk.  Seems like playing Good Samaritan would be pretty easy.
 
2013-10-15 09:04:33 AM  
From the 10/14/13 episode of Late Night with David Letterman:

Ray Romano:
If you're running naked as an adult, there's an agenda.
Something's going on.
You're trying to get into a fraternity, You've lost a bet or you're protesting...
A 2 year old has none of that stuff. It's pure. He has one thought:
I want to feel the wind on my penis.
That's all he wants.
 
2013-10-15 09:04:47 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: He could have just called the police as well if he was really concerned. There is no sensible scenario that ends with this guy getting shot to death.


Like another guy said, I'd assume naked guy was being chased by an angry husband, in which case naked guy probably wouldn't want even more attention from the police. Unfortunately, pulling over to help the guy get where he was going while sparing him further embarrassment was exactly the wrong thing to do in this case, as naked guy was also punching his friends in the face earlier, and still in a punchy mood that he decided to take out on an armed motorist.

The real problem you seem to have is that you think people shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves unless they display psychic and/or precognitive superpowers, a standard that even trained police officers and CIA assassins are routinely shown to be unable to meet. I, and pretty much anyone who doesn't truly believe they live in their own little version of the Truman Show, disagree with that impossible standard, and will fight to prevent its imposition on the grounds that demanding people accomplish the impossible tends to result in people getting put in positions of authority based on their ability to deceive other people into thinking they accomplished the impossible, and these people inevitably start deceiving people into not paying attention to the amount of money they're embezzling, the number of people they're sleeping around with, and the number of people who end up imprisoned or killed for no greater crime than openly dissenting against the con artist's unquestionable authority.

/and yes, it does inevitably end in murder
//because the con artist's life eventually depends on keeping the con going
///and so anyone that points out that the Emperor has no clothes on becomes a deadly threat to the con artist, and gets dealt with accordingly
 
2013-10-15 09:11:09 AM  
as someone who gets tired of washing workout clothes all the time... i have to empathize with the poor bastard....
 
2013-10-15 09:11:58 AM  
I still can't see any scenario where I'd turn my car around except to take some hilarious photos.

Don't people know how to mind their own business? Call 911 if you want. I wouldn't even do that.

Dumbasses with superhero complexes or something. Leave the naked people alone.
 
2013-10-15 09:12:08 AM  

Tatterdemalian: The real problem you seem to have is that you think people shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves unless they display psychic and/or precognitive superpowers, a standard that even trained police officers and CIA assassins are routinely shown to be unable to meet


No I totally agree that the naked man should be allowed to defend himself against the armed guy that turned around to confront him.
 
2013-10-15 09:12:09 AM  

Jim_Callahan: fusillade762: He told detectives he was driving west on Hollywood Boulevard between 5 and 5:30 a.m. Oct. 6 when he spotted the nude man. He passed by him, then turned around and went back, he told police.

Oh for f*ck's sake. Call the goddamn cops and let them deal with it. Did no one learn anything from the Martin shooting?

That was the point of the story where I started assuming the shooter was drunk off his arse.  Probably hasn't been charged yet because they haven't finished counting how many laws he broke yet.



I think it's more likely that the shootie was drunk off his ass. Had just punched his friend while being naked at 5 am..... yeah. I'm not saying he should have been shot, but I would bet that he helped escalate that situation.
 
2013-10-15 09:14:56 AM  
Why is nobody making wild assumptions about the driver? I bet he circled around to point and laugh at the naked guy. Then, when naked guy gives him shiat back he "feels threatened" and plugs him in the gut. Good thing his state has a perfect excuse for such a situation.
 
2013-10-15 09:15:34 AM  
lulz at all the 'I'm not saying he should have been shot, but...'
 
2013-10-15 09:15:34 AM  

Aussie_As: Just what are Americans free to do in the land of the free that is special?


A lot of Americans wonder the same thing.  Just where is this mythical land?
 
2013-10-15 09:16:12 AM  

Rhino_man: Tarkus: fusillade762: He told detectives he was driving west on Hollywood Boulevard between 5 and 5:30 a.m. Oct. 6 when he spotted the nude man. He passed by him, then turned around and went back, he told police.

Oh for f*ck's sake. Call the goddamn cops and let them deal with it. Did no one learn anything from the Martin shooting?

Besides, "You can get away with murder in Florida"?

[oyster.ignimgs.com image 610x374]


I enjoy South Park....but that episode wasn't that funny...because the Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman case had nothing to do with 'Stand Your Ground' laws.
 
2013-10-15 09:18:20 AM  

ferretman: Rhino_man: Tarkus: fusillade762: He told detectives he was driving west on Hollywood Boulevard between 5 and 5:30 a.m. Oct. 6 when he spotted the nude man. He passed by him, then turned around and went back, he told police.

Oh for f*ck's sake. Call the goddamn cops and let them deal with it. Did no one learn anything from the Martin shooting?

Besides, "You can get away with murder in Florida"?

[oyster.ignimgs.com image 610x374]

I enjoy South Park....but that episode wasn't that funny...because the Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman case had nothing to do with 'Stand Your Ground' laws.


You mean aside from the police initially declining to prosecute and basing that decisions on those laws?
 
2013-10-15 09:19:55 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Tatterdemalian: The real problem you seem to have is that you think people shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves unless they display psychic and/or precognitive superpowers, a standard that even trained police officers and CIA assassins are routinely shown to be unable to meet

No I totally agree that the naked man should be allowed to defend himself against the armed guy that turned around to confront him.


Just like con artists should be allowed to defend themselves against people who refuse to fall for their con, no doubt.

/so I won't shed any tears when you get shot for disagreeing your authorities
//you are one of the people that's helping them gain the authority they needed to enforce their purge of dissenters, wreckers, and anyone else they choose to blame for the difference between imagination and reality
 
2013-10-15 09:21:32 AM  

Tarkus: fusillade762: He told detectives he was driving west on Hollywood Boulevard between 5 and 5:30 a.m. Oct. 6 when he spotted the nude man. He passed by him, then turned around and went back, he told police.

Oh for f*ck's sake. Call the goddamn cops and let them deal with it. Did no one learn anything from the Martin shooting?

Besides, "You can get away with murder in Florida"?


Because if you shoot someone who is on your chest and punching you in the face, while having defense and prosecution witnesses corroborate your story, and having already suffered a broken nose, which qualifies as grievous bodily harm, in a state that permits lethal force to prevent great bodily harm... it is murder!

How can you (and the south park creators) still be so farking ignorant?
 
2013-10-15 09:25:04 AM  

Tatterdemalian: HotWingConspiracy: Tatterdemalian: The real problem you seem to have is that you think people shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves unless they display psychic and/or precognitive superpowers, a standard that even trained police officers and CIA assassins are routinely shown to be unable to meet

No I totally agree that the naked man should be allowed to defend himself against the armed guy that turned around to confront him.

Just like con artists should be allowed to defend themselves against people who refuse to fall for their con, no doubt.

/so I won't shed any tears when you get shot for disagreeing your authorities
//you are one of the people that's helping them gain the authority they needed to enforce their purge of dissenters, wreckers, and anyone else they choose to blame for the difference between imagination and reality


Yeah...

img.pandawhale.com

Up your meds, bro.
 
2013-10-15 09:25:24 AM  

Confabulat: This About That: Confabulat: But it's cool for white kids?

This About That: I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that self preservation is also an important consideration.

I still don't get it. You're saying people are more likely to shoot a naked black guy running down the street than a naked white one?


Yes.
 
2013-10-15 09:27:41 AM  
wow crazy story, apparently it actually is ok to play vigilante and kill unarmed people in florida.
 
2013-10-15 09:28:33 AM  

Wolf892: Obviously stand your ground applies here because seeing the massive swinging member of the black man caused the white fellow to feel incredibly threatened. He had no choice but to open fire to reassert his dominance of the situation.


The article doesn't say anything about Duke LaGuerre's ethnicity. The only information given besides his name is that he lives in Miami Gardens, a town with a predominantly black population. Did someone find his Facebook page or something else that shows he's white?

And since the shooting apparently happened during a fight, SYG may not have anything to do with the motorist's self-defense claim. It wasn't used in the Zimmerman case, despite all the Internet insistence that it must have been a factor.

All I'm getting from this story is a massive WTF so far. There's a LOT more detail that needs to be filled in before anyone can sensibly start drawing up sides and screaming about the injustice of what "really" happened.
 
2013-10-15 09:29:23 AM  
Abandoned at the beach by a friend who took his clothes and skateboard, Cherry apparentlydecided to run home - naked.

I think we have all the answers here.
 
2013-10-15 09:32:35 AM  
Like hero Zimmerman, Laguerre saw a black guy and said 'not on my watch'.
 
2013-10-15 09:33:04 AM  

Bungles: Are there any examples of stand your ground every being successfully used by a black person shooting a white?


I'm not doing anyones googling for them, but yes there have been cases. People have also benefitted from the law when they shot people of the same race, to include black and black incidents.

By the numbers there is alot of white on black happening.  Not surprising since whites (with their gun culture) own most of the weapons while blacks (with poverty being what it is) are involved in alot of the crime.

Ending the drug war, and dealing with the side effects of urbanization, would probably snap those numbers back into line.
 
2013-10-15 09:38:45 AM  
The guy was such a nice kid, he assaulted his friend at the beach.

I doubt the interaction with the stranger was much different.
 
2013-10-15 09:41:25 AM  

ferretman: Rhino_man: Tarkus: fusillade762: He told detectives he was driving west on Hollywood Boulevard between 5 and 5:30 a.m. Oct. 6 when he spotted the nude man. He passed by him, then turned around and went back, he told police.

Oh for f*ck's sake. Call the goddamn cops and let them deal with it. Did no one learn anything from the Martin shooting?

Besides, "You can get away with murder in Florida"?

[oyster.ignimgs.com image 610x374]

I enjoy South Park....but that episode wasn't that funny...because the Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman case had nothing to do with 'Stand Your Ground' laws.


^

2/3 of the episodes this season were pretty terrible (murder porn was pretty amusing though. Mostly because my dad watches a lot of the ID channel)
 
2013-10-15 09:42:52 AM  

Confabulat: This About That: ust in cast there is a young black kid left who doesn't get it yet, let me suggest that the phrase "naked black man running down Hollywood Boulevard in south Florida" should, maybe, set off a little alarm in one's head.

But it's cool for white kids?


"Cool" is pushing it, but did any naked white kids get shot in this case?

How many times do we have to tell you guys? Knock it off with the black.
 
2013-10-15 09:43:27 AM  

Headso: wow crazy story, apparently it actually is ok to play vigilante and kill unarmed people in florida.


In fairness, it was the premise for the Dexter series.
 
2013-10-15 09:46:48 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: skozlaw: Shooting a naked person you backtracked to confront is not self-defense.

Confront? That's an odd choice of words for not knowing what exactly happened


Unless naked guy is related to Barry Allen, car guy would have to go out of his way to get within his reach.
Car guy was probably trying to be a good Samaritan, but when you see naked people running down the street at night, It's probably best to keep your distance and call the police.
 
2013-10-15 09:46:58 AM  

Confabulat: This About That: Confabulat: But it's cool for white kids?

This About That: I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that self preservation is also an important consideration.

I still don't get it. You're saying people are more likely to shoot a naked black guy running down the street than a naked white clothed one?

 
2013-10-15 09:47:17 AM  

Confabulat: I still don't get it. You're saying people are more likely to shoot a naked black guy running down the street than a naked white one?


Naked white guys are easier to see at night.
 
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