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2013-10-15 09:52:32 AM  

Lady J: lulz at all the 'I'm not saying he should have been shot, but...'


thats the joke.jpg
 
2013-10-15 09:52:41 AM  

Literally Addicted: Headso: wow crazy story, apparently it actually is ok to play vigilante and kill unarmed people in florida.

In fairness, it was the premise for the Dexter series.


I wonder how many seasons the show would have ran if he only killed black people.
 
2013-10-15 09:54:52 AM  

d23: A naked man is a VERY vulnerable man. Shoot him in the leg. I don't have all the facts, but it sure sounds like it at least needed to be investigated.


There's no such concept as "shooting to wound" in jurisprudence.
 
2013-10-15 09:58:19 AM  

Misconduc: Confabulat: eurotrash: I know it's Florida but why is this law not repealed immediately?

There is no demand from Florida voters to repeal it.

Because for every 1 idiot that gets into an argument and gets killed, there are 9 others who use the law to its effect - in the case in my area 3 thugs broke into a house, the owner told them to stop and they continued to climb through a window - where the home owner shot the kid.
He gets off, the two kids that were involved got the murder charge for being there.

Its 3 am and three 18 yr old thugs break into your house, yeah you are sitting in a closet calling 911, no you shoot and ask questions later.


No I don't, for all I know it could be my nephew coming home late, locals doing a drunk prank so I get out of the house. There is no possession that is worth a persons life, nothing that a thief would want is something I wouldn't be able to replace.

In a civilized society we give the government monopoly on violence, this is done to avoid a lawless society where the strong prevail and weaker people cower. I know that you will never see it this way, in your world a TV is worth more to you than a fellow human beings life.
 
2013-10-15 10:00:05 AM  

way south: Bungles: Are there any examples of stand your ground every being successfully used by a black person shooting a white?

I'm not doing anyones googling for them, but yes there have been cases. People have also benefitted from the law when they shot people of the same race, to include black and black incidents.

By the numbers there is alot of white on black happening.  Not surprising since whites (with their gun culture) own most of the weapons while blacks (with poverty being what it is) are involved in alot of the crime.

Ending the drug war, and dealing with the side effects of urbanization, would probably snap those numbers back into line.


Black people in the South are just as likely to own a gun for self protection as white people. Nationally, it's 44 percent for whites, 27 percent for blacks, but a lot of blacks outside the South live in cities with strict gun control. The stand-your-ground law in Florida has mostly benefited criminals who shot other criminals in personal or turf disputes. Before the law, the shooter would get locked up for a long time. Now, they're getting off by claiming they were standing their ground.
 
2013-10-15 10:02:01 AM  

eurotrash: No I don't, for all I know it could be my nephew coming home late, locals doing a drunk prank so I get out of the house. There is no possession that is worth a persons life, nothing that a thief would want is something I wouldn't be able to replace.

In a civilized society we give the government monopoly on violence, this is done to avoid a lawless society where the strong prevail and weaker people cower. I know that you will never see it this way, in your world a TV is worth more to you than a fellow human beings life.


Surely you can at least see some irony in that sentence is your response to his scenario of three criminals breaking into one's house to steal things
 
2013-10-15 10:05:10 AM  

eurotrash: Misconduc: Confabulat: eurotrash: I know it's Florida but why is this law not repealed immediately?

There is no demand from Florida voters to repeal it.

Because for every 1 idiot that gets into an argument and gets killed, there are 9 others who use the law to its effect - in the case in my area 3 thugs broke into a house, the owner told them to stop and they continued to climb through a window - where the home owner shot the kid.
He gets off, the two kids that were involved got the murder charge for being there.

Its 3 am and three 18 yr old thugs break into your house, yeah you are sitting in a closet calling 911, no you shoot and ask questions later.

No I don't, for all I know it could be my nephew coming home late, locals doing a drunk prank so I get out of the house. There is no possession that is worth a persons life, nothing that a thief would want is something I wouldn't be able to replace.

In a civilized society we give the government monopoly on violence, this is done to avoid a lawless society where the strong prevail and weaker people cower. I know that you will never see it this way, in your world a TV is worth more to you than a fellow human beings life.


Yeah, I would definitely fire a warning shot into the floor/celing unless I could see they were armed. I'm not playing around with somebody who's breaking into my house with a gun, but I don't see any reason to shoot an unarmed person just because they're acting like an ass.
 
2013-10-15 10:05:21 AM  

This text is now purple: d23: A naked man is a VERY vulnerable man. Shoot him in the leg. I don't have all the facts, but it sure sounds like it at least needed to be investigated.

There's no such concept as "shooting to wound" in jurisprudence.


eurotrash: Misconduc: Confabulat: eurotrash: I know it's Florida but why is this law not repealed immediately?

There is no demand from Florida voters to repeal it.

Because for every 1 idiot that gets into an argument and gets killed, there are 9 others who use the law to its effect - in the case in my area 3 thugs broke into a house, the owner told them to stop and they continued to climb through a window - where the home owner shot the kid.
He gets off, the two kids that were involved got the murder charge for being there.

Its 3 am and three 18 yr old thugs break into your house, yeah you are sitting in a closet calling 911, no you shoot and ask questions later.

No I don't, for all I know it could be my nephew coming home late, locals doing a drunk prank so I get out of the house. There is no possession that is worth a persons life, nothing that a thief would want is something I wouldn't be able to replace.

In a civilized society we give the government monopoly on violence, this is done to avoid a lawless society where the strong prevail and weaker people cower. I know that you will never see it this way, in your world a TV is worth more to you than a fellow human beings life.


What if they aren't there for your possessions?

What if they are there to rape your wife and daughter?

How would you know what they are there for.

Breaking and entering to steal a TV is the gateway to full on home invasion rapes and murders.

Shoot to kill, you may have just paid it forward and saved the lives of someone like the Petit family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Connecticut,_home_invasion_mu rd ers

Why is it that the TV is not worth taking someones life over....why don't you word it as "someone elses TV is not worth you risking your life by trying to take it"

Shows who you value more...the criminal.
 
2013-10-15 10:07:42 AM  

Giltric: Shows who you value more...the criminal.


Are you a child? Do you think that is anything any sane person thinks?

Why are you talking like a little baby?
 
2013-10-15 10:09:45 AM  

eurotrash: No I don't, for all I know it could be my nephew coming home late, locals doing a drunk prank so I get out of the house. There is no possession that is worth a persons life, nothing that a thief would want is something I wouldn't be able to replace.


armedpatriots.com
 
2013-10-15 10:09:47 AM  
Notice how the gun nuts quickly move the argument to home invasions and rape of your wife and children, instead of the actual story.

Same ol, same ol
 
2013-10-15 10:11:21 AM  
To be fair though, how could that driver NOT know the naked black man wasn't running to his house to rape his wife?

He couldn't possibly be sure! Better to shoot first!
 
2013-10-15 10:12:49 AM  

Confabulat: Giltric: Shows who you value more...the criminal.

Are you a child? Do you think that is anything any sane person thinks?

Why are you talking like a little baby?


Regardless, he is correct in stating that the burden of understanding that possessions do not equal life is on the thief, not the victim. At least IMHO.
 
2013-10-15 10:13:14 AM  

Confabulat: Notice how the gun nuts quickly move the argument to home invasions and rape of your wife and children, instead of the actual story.


It's a stretch, but not a huge one. For better or worse, public nudity like this is often considered a sex offense*. Strange people wandering nude in the dead of night are already of reasonably dubious motive.

Likely, probably not? Reasonable... maybe.

* - this is a bug, not a feature.
 
2013-10-15 10:13:34 AM  

spacelord321: Jim_Callahan: fusillade762: He told detectives he was driving west on Hollywood Boulevard between 5 and 5:30 a.m. Oct. 6 when he spotted the nude man. He passed by him, then turned around and went back, he told police.

Oh for f*ck's sake. Call the goddamn cops and let them deal with it. Did no one learn anything from the Martin shooting?

That was the point of the story where I started assuming the shooter was drunk off his arse.  Probably hasn't been charged yet because they haven't finished counting how many laws he broke yet.


I think it's more likely that the shootie was drunk off his ass. Had just punched his friend while being naked at 5 am..... yeah. I'm not saying he should have been shot, but I would bet that he helped escalate that situation.


The lack of charges by the police would support that guess as much or more than anyone else's guesses.   But that isn't much of a story and it isn't going to get as many page hits as an unjustifiable shooting.
 
2013-10-15 10:13:57 AM  

This text is now purple: [armedpatriots.com image 640x360]


Dear god, who created that ad?  They should be raped AND shot.
 
2013-10-15 10:15:01 AM  

Confabulat: Notice how the gun nuts quickly move the argument to home invasions and rape of your wife and children, instead of the actual story.

Same ol, same ol


If by gun nuts, you mean a general discussion of why the law wasn't repealed. Hell you were part of that train of thought in the first place, intentionally or not.

Here was the progression:

1) Why hasn't this law been repealed?
2) No voters want to repeal it (you)
3) It's not repealed because it's overwhelmingly used by people to legitimately defend themselves, like in this hypethetical situation
4) No one in a civilized society would shoot someone for a TV
5) Not everyone is looking for a TV. Sometimes they are there to rape and kill

I'm not saying every point is as valid as the last or that they are all good, but it's a pretty logical progression and no real good reason to address the crime at hand when the train of thought was barely on it in the first place
 
2013-10-15 10:15:39 AM  

Confabulat: Notice how the gun nuts quickly move the argument to home invasions and rape of your wife and children, instead of the actual story.

Same ol, same ol


What was the actual story?

The article is light on details. I did not know you were a witness.


Like the woman who drove her ar 15 to the whitehouse and smashed her baby against the barricade until police shot her.
 
2013-10-15 10:16:51 AM  

Literally Addicted: This text is now purple: [armedpatriots.com image 640x360]

Dear god, who created that ad?  They should be raped AND shot.


No idea who created it but Snopes says false

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/bradyad.asp
 
2013-10-15 10:18:25 AM  

Literally Addicted: This text is now purple: [armedpatriots.com image 640x360]

Dear god, who created that ad?  They should be raped AND shot.


It's a parody of the Brady Campaign ads. It's also a position eurotrash is actually espousing.
 
2013-10-15 10:18:38 AM  

Big_Fat_Liar: spacelord321: Jim_Callahan: fusillade762: He told detectives he was driving west on Hollywood Boulevard between 5 and 5:30 a.m. Oct. 6 when he spotted the nude man. He passed by him, then turned around and went back, he told police.

Oh for f*ck's sake. Call the goddamn cops and let them deal with it. Did no one learn anything from the Martin shooting?

That was the point of the story where I started assuming the shooter was drunk off his arse.  Probably hasn't been charged yet because they haven't finished counting how many laws he broke yet.


I think it's more likely that the shootie was drunk off his ass. Had just punched his friend while being naked at 5 am..... yeah. I'm not saying he should have been shot, but I would bet that he helped escalate that situation.

The lack of charges by the police would support that guess as much or more than anyone else's guesses.   But that isn't much of a story and it isn't going to get as many page hits as an unjustifiable shooting.


Never fear. Fark's investigators are on it!
 
2013-10-15 10:19:01 AM  
So basically in Florida you can follow random strangers around until one of them gets pissed and just blow them away.

Let's call this "zimming."

"Any hobbies?"
"I'm a zimmer, man. Zimmed another one just last night."
 
2013-10-15 10:20:27 AM  
Hey I'm all in favor of the Second Amendment. I don't have any interest in gun control cause I know guns won't go anywhere. Not like I can't buy drugs easier than beer at 4 AM.

But gun nuts are a special, paranoid breed.
 
2013-10-15 10:21:45 AM  

MagSeven: Tat'dGreaser: skozlaw: Shooting a naked person you backtracked to confront is not self-defense.

Confront? That's an odd choice of words for not knowing what exactly happened

Unless naked guy is related to Barry Allen, car guy would have to go out of his way to get within his reach.
Car guy was probably trying to be a good Samaritan, but when you see naked people running down the street at night, It's probably best to keep your distance and call the police.


The progressive movement gets its political power from imposing exactly this kind of Catch-22 narrative and using their 20/20 hindsight to "prove" their superior intellect and morality. If someone intervened, then they were a vicious monster like Richard Jewell George Zimmerman that did everything wrong on purpose and should have minded their own business. If everyone ignored it and/or called the cops who arrived too late, then they were all cold-hearted monsters just like the people who ignored Kitty Genovese while she was screaming for help, and serve as proof that we need superior, progressive authorities to guide us.

/and like any other con game, it depends on our tendency to notice outliers and ignore the mainstream
//like ignoring all the other anecdotes about naked rape victims stumbling down the street being picked up by Good Samaritans and getting a faster and less embarrassing ride home
///not to mention how all those porno films start
 
2013-10-15 10:22:52 AM  
I want to know how he's managing to claim that he was being menaced with a straight face. (He must be, right) I've seen guys streaking, and at no point did I feel like I was in danger. There just something completely not dangerous about a guy with his bits dangling in the breeze.
 
2013-10-15 10:23:26 AM  

Tatterdemalian: MagSeven: Tat'dGreaser: skozlaw: Shooting a naked person you backtracked to confront is not self-defense.

Confront? That's an odd choice of words for not knowing what exactly happened

Unless naked guy is related to Barry Allen, car guy would have to go out of his way to get within his reach.
Car guy was probably trying to be a good Samaritan, but when you see naked people running down the street at night, It's probably best to keep your distance and call the police.

The progressive movement gets its political power from imposing exactly this kind of Catch-22 narrative and using their 20/20 hindsight to "prove" their superior intellect and morality. If someone intervened, then they were a vicious monster like Richard Jewell George Zimmerman that did everything wrong on purpose and should have minded their own business. If everyone ignored it and/or called the cops who arrived too late, then they were all cold-hearted monsters just like the people who ignored Kitty Genovese while she was screaming for help, and serve as proof that we need superior, progressive authorities to guide us.

/and like any other con game, it depends on our tendency to notice outliers and ignore the mainstream
//like ignoring all the other anecdotes about naked rape victims stumbling down the street being picked up by Good Samaritans and getting a faster and less embarrassing ride home
///not to mention how all those porno films start


Is this satire? I hope for your sake this is satire.
 
2013-10-15 10:23:58 AM  

mbillips: eurotrash: Misconduc: Confabulat: eurotrash: I know it's Florida but why is this law not repealed immediately?

There is no demand from Florida voters to repeal it.

Because for every 1 idiot that gets into an argument and gets killed, there are 9 others who use the law to its effect - in the case in my area 3 thugs broke into a house, the owner told them to stop and they continued to climb through a window - where the home owner shot the kid.
He gets off, the two kids that were involved got the murder charge for being there.

Its 3 am and three 18 yr old thugs break into your house, yeah you are sitting in a closet calling 911, no you shoot and ask questions later.

No I don't, for all I know it could be my nephew coming home late, locals doing a drunk prank so I get out of the house. There is no possession that is worth a persons life, nothing that a thief would want is something I wouldn't be able to replace.

In a civilized society we give the government monopoly on violence, this is done to avoid a lawless society where the strong prevail and weaker people cower. I know that you will never see it this way, in your world a TV is worth more to you than a fellow human beings life.

Yeah, I would definitely fire a warning shot into the floor/celing unless I could see they were armed. I'm not playing around with somebody who's breaking into my house with a gun, but I don't see any reason to shoot an unarmed person just because they're acting like an ass.


You must be the 1%er group that would fire a warning shot, I however would not. I am not risking 1 inch of my life to decide whether you have a gun or not - you attacked my castle, now I will defend it, thus being said whether you are armed or not - it only takes ONE punch to kill a human being.
Unarmed vs a gun? We know the winner, if you are going to be a criminal, take the consequences of your actions.

What you fail to understand is there are consequences to actions, if its broad day light and some drunk tries to break into my home - I know for a fact that he isn't armed - of course I wouldn't shoot him.
Now what about a Masked person wearing black, at 2am and the lights are off, you stupidly going to tell me you won't shoot first then decide later? Wrong.
 
2013-10-15 10:24:34 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: I want to know how he's managing to claim that he was being menaced with a straight face. (He must be, right) I've seen guys streaking, and at no point did I feel like I was in danger. There just something completely not dangerous about a guy with his bits dangling in the breeze.


Unless the guy is advancing on you aggressively demanding that you give him a ride....and he won't take no for an answer....maybe he even tries to open the door to your car as you are telling him no and to back away.
 
2013-10-15 10:25:36 AM  
If he had been a chick this wouldn't have happened
 
2013-10-15 10:26:34 AM  
Remember, naked guys with dangling bits are so not dangerous....100% of the time they will never do anything bad, like assaulting you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz1VqNEHsQs NSFW
 
2013-10-15 10:27:28 AM  
"Laguerre has not been charged in the shooting."

I don't understand how this is possible. I'm adding Florida to my list of places to avoid from now on. It's a short list that includes Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

/sorry, Grandpa
 
2013-10-15 10:28:02 AM  
Funny thing is, I've never been home invaded (burgled, sure, but never when I was home) but I've never thought a gun would be much use in that situation unless it was right next to my computer desk and then maybe I'd get moody or drunk and be another Fark headline (that I didn't write).

I have tons of sharp objects, pointy objects, and heavy objects within arms' reach though. I will happily murder anyone who invades my home, but having a gun next to me is a huge mistake because I drink heavily.
 
2013-10-15 10:28:20 AM  

spacelord321: Confabulat: Giltric: Shows who you value more...the criminal.

Are you a child? Do you think that is anything any sane person thinks?

Why are you talking like a little baby?

Regardless, he is correct in stating that the burden of understanding that possessions do not equal life is on the thief, not the victim. At least IMHO.


I suggest you be less humble. Grow a pair and show some god damned agency in your own life. If you shoot someone, don't use the "he made me do it" cop out. Own it. Say "I shot him. I chose to take his life."
 
2013-10-15 10:28:22 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: I want to know how he's managing to claim that he was being menaced with a straight face. (He must be, right) I've seen guys streaking, and at no point did I feel like I was in danger. There just something completely not dangerous about a guy with his bits dangling in the breeze.


I could see if  you were not in your car and instead on some lonely road with nobody around especially in florida where they have those pill clinics and weed laws are so insane people do bath salts. But if you are in your vehicle driving by I don't see how anyone could say that guy was in danger.
 
2013-10-15 10:30:16 AM  

Confabulat: Funny thing is, I've never been home invaded (burgled, sure, but never when I was home) but I've never thought a gun would be much use in that situation unless it was right next to my computer desk and then maybe I'd get moody or drunk and be another Fark headline (that I didn't write).

I have tons of sharp objects, pointy objects, and heavy objects within arms' reach though. I will happily murder anyone who invades my home, but having a gun next to me is a huge mistake because I drink heavily.


Sounds like you are the type of person other farkers have been warning people about.

The kind with mental issues who should never have access to a firearm, or even sharp implements.

Have yourself checked out before you stab a schoolyard of children.

You won't know that you have snapped. And then it will be too late.
 
2013-10-15 10:30:56 AM  

Confabulat: Funny thing is, I've never been home invaded (burgled, sure, but never when I was home) but I've never thought a gun would be much use in that situation unless it was right next to my computer desk and then maybe I'd get moody or drunk and be another Fark headline (that I didn't write).

I have tons of sharp objects, pointy objects, and heavy objects within arms' reach though. I will happily murder anyone who invades my home, but having a gun next to me is a huge mistake because I drink heavily.


Ok. So you don't trust yourself. Noted.
 
2013-10-15 10:31:01 AM  

OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
To be fair, in Florida, you're 6x more likely to get shot if you're black than if you're white in general. Now tell the rest of the story. For those -fark it, for ALL- shootings. What color is the shooter most likely to be.


May I present...Duke Laguerre, the shooter.

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2013-10-15 10:31:59 AM  

Giltric: Confabulat: Funny thing is, I've never been home invaded (burgled, sure, but never when I was home) but I've never thought a gun would be much use in that situation unless it was right next to my computer desk and then maybe I'd get moody or drunk and be another Fark headline (that I didn't write).

I have tons of sharp objects, pointy objects, and heavy objects within arms' reach though. I will happily murder anyone who invades my home, but having a gun next to me is a huge mistake because I drink heavily.

Sounds like you are the type of person other farkers have been warning people about.

The kind with mental issues who should never have access to a firearm, or even sharp implements.

Have yourself checked out before you stab a schoolyard of children.

You won't know that you have snapped. And then it will be too late.


Cute. I snapped long ago. Mine is a sort that doesn't involve insane gun violence though, what's your excuse?
 
2013-10-15 10:32:27 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA: Laguerre has not been charged in the shooting.


Which sounds like he was the aggressor.  He seems to have punched his friend at the beach, maybe he punched the motorist also.

way south: As for this incident, something seems to be missing from the story.
Snowflake punches his friend in the face, friend takes off with snowflakes cloths (because being nude at the beach all night is normal). Snowflake walks home nude, ends up in confrontation with curious resident (I'm guessing there's a few more punches involved) and killed.

The missing ingredient is probably drugs.


I think you nailed it.
 
2013-10-15 10:33:19 AM  

spacelord321: Confabulat: Funny thing is, I've never been home invaded (burgled, sure, but never when I was home) but I've never thought a gun would be much use in that situation unless it was right next to my computer desk and then maybe I'd get moody or drunk and be another Fark headline (that I didn't write).

I have tons of sharp objects, pointy objects, and heavy objects within arms' reach though. I will happily murder anyone who invades my home, but having a gun next to me is a huge mistake because I drink heavily.

Ok. So you don't trust yourself. Noted.


Ha, I'm the last person I trust. I'm sure every gun owner out there, though, is a responsible sane citizen, unlike me, who completely abides by all safe rules of firearms.
 
2013-10-15 10:35:06 AM  

Confabulat: Giltric: Confabulat: Funny thing is, I've never been home invaded (burgled, sure, but never when I was home) but I've never thought a gun would be much use in that situation unless it was right next to my computer desk and then maybe I'd get moody or drunk and be another Fark headline (that I didn't write).

I have tons of sharp objects, pointy objects, and heavy objects within arms' reach though. I will happily murder anyone who invades my home, but having a gun next to me is a huge mistake because I drink heavily.

Sounds like you are the type of person other farkers have been warning people about.

The kind with mental issues who should never have access to a firearm, or even sharp implements.

Have yourself checked out before you stab a schoolyard of children.

You won't know that you have snapped. And then it will be too late.

Cute. I snapped long ago. Mine is a sort that doesn't involve insane gun violence though, what's your excuse?


Me?

Physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.


/be prepared.
 
2013-10-15 10:35:15 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: spacelord321: Confabulat: Giltric: Shows who you value more...the criminal.

Are you a child? Do you think that is anything any sane person thinks?

Why are you talking like a little baby?

Regardless, he is correct in stating that the burden of understanding that possessions do not equal life is on the thief, not the victim. At least IMHO.

I suggest you be less humble. Grow a pair and show some god damned agency in your own life. If you shoot someone, don't use the "he made me do it" cop out. Own it. Say "I shot him. I chose to take his life."


I never said anything otherwise. I simply stated that the thief should understand that he is giving me the chance to make that choice, in not so many words. Lighten up, Francis.

Does your ego feel better now? Mine does.
 
2013-10-15 10:36:27 AM  

Khazar-Khum: OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
To be fair, in Florida, you're 6x more likely to get shot if you're black than if you're white in general. Now tell the rest of the story. For those -fark it, for ALL- shootings. What color is the shooter most likely to be.

May I present...Duke Laguerre, the shooter.

[scontent-b-pao.xx.fbcdn.net image 540x720]


We can only assume that's the guy. The FB page doesn't really give much in the way of details, just pictures
 
2013-10-15 10:37:25 AM  

Khazar-Khum: OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
To be fair, in Florida, you're 6x more likely to get shot if you're black than if you're white in general. Now tell the rest of the story. For those -fark it, for ALL- shootings. What color is the shooter most likely to be.

May I present...Duke Laguerre, the shooter.

[scontent-b-pao.xx.fbcdn.net image 540x720]


weknowmemes.com
 
2013-10-15 10:37:47 AM  

Tatterdemalian: MagSeven: Tat'dGreaser: skozlaw: Shooting a naked person you backtracked to confront is not self-defense.

Confront? That's an odd choice of words for not knowing what exactly happened

Unless naked guy is related to Barry Allen, car guy would have to go out of his way to get within his reach.
Car guy was probably trying to be a good Samaritan, but when you see naked people running down the street at night, It's probably best to keep your distance and call the police.

The progressive movement gets its political power from imposing exactly this kind of Catch-22 narrative and using their 20/20 hindsight to "prove" their superior intellect and morality. If someone intervened, then they were a vicious monster like Richard Jewell George Zimmerman that did everything wrong on purpose and should have minded their own business. If everyone ignored it and/or called the cops who arrived too late, then they were all cold-hearted monsters just like the people who ignored Kitty Genovese while she was screaming for help, and serve as proof that we need superior, progressive authorities to guide us.

/and like any other con game, it depends on our tendency to notice outliers and ignore the mainstream
//like ignoring all the other anecdotes about naked rape victims stumbling down the street being picked up by Good Samaritans and getting a faster and less embarrassing ride home
///not to mention how all those porno films start


I said or alluded to none of those things soooo.....OK then?
 
2013-10-15 10:37:58 AM  

Khazar-Khum: OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
To be fair, in Florida, you're 6x more likely to get shot if you're black than if you're white in general. Now tell the rest of the story. For those -fark it, for ALL- shootings. What color is the shooter most likely to be.

May I present...Duke Laguerre, the shooter.

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Oh shiat, the media will actually have to play the "white African-American" card.

/grabs popcorn
 
2013-10-15 10:38:01 AM  

spacelord321: I May Be Crazy But...: spacelord321: Confabulat: Giltric: Shows who you value more...the criminal.

Are you a child? Do you think that is anything any sane person thinks?

Why are you talking like a little baby?

Regardless, he is correct in stating that the burden of understanding that possessions do not equal life is on the thief, not the victim. At least IMHO.

I suggest you be less humble. Grow a pair and show some god damned agency in your own life. If you shoot someone, don't use the "he made me do it" cop out. Own it. Say "I shot him. I chose to take his life."

I never said anything otherwise. I simply stated that the thief should understand that he is giving me the chance to make that choice, in not so many words. Lighten up, Francis.

Does your ego feel better now? Mine does.


I feel much better. You admitted that you would choose to kill someone. That's what I asked for, instead of "the burden ... is on the thief".
 
2013-10-15 10:38:05 AM  

Confabulat: spacelord321: Confabulat: Funny thing is, I've never been home invaded (burgled, sure, but never when I was home) but I've never thought a gun would be much use in that situation unless it was right next to my computer desk and then maybe I'd get moody or drunk and be another Fark headline (that I didn't write).

I have tons of sharp objects, pointy objects, and heavy objects within arms' reach though. I will happily murder anyone who invades my home, but having a gun next to me is a huge mistake because I drink heavily.

Ok. So you don't trust yourself. Noted.

Ha, I'm the last person I trust. I'm sure every gun owner out there, though, is a responsible sane citizen, unlike me, who completely abides by all safe rules of firearms.


Some are.
 
2013-10-15 10:41:23 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Confabulat: I've spent most of my life in Florida and I've met my fair share of naked men roaming around in the middle of the night. Not a one of them is someone you'd want to have a conversation with.

I don't know, my first thought would be this person needs help

HotWingConspiracy: Well no, it could have been another GZim tough guy looking for a conflict that he would never ever ever seek out if he wasn't armed and prepped to kill.

He could have just called the police as well if he was really concerned. There is no sensible scenario that ends with this guy getting shot to death.

Ah, see we all have our preconceptions about everything.


But calling out the window "Hey, bro, you need help?"  or simply throwing him a towel or a blanket (both of which I always have in my car - I'm boyscouty that way) while you are in the safety of your car should effectively insulate you from the threat of an unarmed nekkid man even if he tells you to fark off, no?

The fact that the shooter saw a nekkid guy running down the street, then went back and stopped long enough to get into a violent confrontation with him leads me to believe he was offering more than help and didn't want to  take "no" or "fark offf" for an answer (or he could have simply driven away)
 
2013-10-15 10:41:37 AM  

Giltric: How would you know what they are there for.


How does it feel to live your life as an abject coward, always entertaining the darkest suspicions of everyone you meet and only able to assuage that gnawing terror by carrying a magical talisman that says you are not Afraid, you are a Tough Guy Who No One Messes With?

Man we need better mental health counseling in this country - the level of paranoia you show should make you unfit to carry anything more dangerous than a spoon.
 
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