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(Mashable)   Apple finally realizes that offering two phones targeting the same audience does not, in fact, double sales, slashes iPhone 5C orders in half   (mashable.com) divider line 78
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2013-10-15 12:46:45 AM
That sound you hear is Gig103 playing the world's smallest violin for Apple, for "only" being able to sell 150,000 phones per DAY.
 
2013-10-15 01:00:48 AM
Only if you consider anyone who buys an Apple product to be in the same audience.  Pretty much every other manufacturer markets both high end flagship devices as well as lower cost options.

The 5C wasn't really anything more than an iPhone 5 with a new shell, and Apple's previous strategy was always to drop the price of the old model when the new model came out.  This time they just gave the old one a facelift so people who didn't want to pay the full $199 could at least get something that looked newer.
 
2013-10-15 02:04:30 AM
Still no cure for iOS7.
 
2013-10-15 02:07:12 AM
Another "report" due to a rumor from heard by columnists brother's friends second cousins maid who saw something outside the fence of the local manufacturing plant that really only makes Gap jeans.  Tech news is only second to political news when it comes to complete bullshiat.
 
2013-10-15 02:10:01 AM

gingerjet: Another "report" due to a rumor from heard by columnists brother's friends second cousins maid who saw something outside the fence of the local manufacturing plant that really only makes Gap jeans.  Tech news is only second to political news when it comes to complete bullshiat.


www.80s.com
I guess it's pretty serious
 
2013-10-15 02:22:09 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Only if you consider anyone who buys an Apple product to be in the same audience.  Pretty much every other manufacturer markets both high end flagship devices as well as lower cost options.

The 5C wasn't really anything more than an iPhone 5 with a new shell, and Apple's previous strategy was always to drop the price of the old model when the new model came out.  This time they just gave the old one a facelift so people who didn't want to pay the full $199 could at least get something that looked newer.


i had an iphone 4 and was up for renewal late in summer. got a 4s for 0.99 + tax. $1.08. the 5c was $99. easy decision.
 
2013-10-15 02:29:58 AM
Wow Subby, you totally destroyed that straw man.
 
2013-10-15 03:00:11 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Only if you consider anyone who buys an Apple product to be in the same audience.  Pretty much every other manufacturer markets both high end flagship devices as well as lower cost options.

The 5C wasn't really anything more than an iPhone 5 with a new shell, and Apple's previous strategy was always to drop the price of the old model when the new model came out.  This time they just gave the old one a facelift so people who didn't want to pay the full $199 could at least get something that looked newer.


That was the spin. In reality, Apple launched the 5C because they were having problems with producing enough iPhone5 metal shells (the same one used in the 5S), so rather than cut production on the newest model, they decided to pool all their metal shells to be used for the 5S and since they won't admit that in public in order to save face, they started making the iPhone5's with a plastic shell and spin it as a totally new completely designed product. It's why they stopped even selling iPhone5's, for the first time in history they retired the previous year model. They're even still making and selling iPhone4S's!
 
2013-10-15 03:14:56 AM

rocky_howard: TuteTibiImperes: Only if you consider anyone who buys an Apple product to be in the same audience.  Pretty much every other manufacturer markets both high end flagship devices as well as lower cost options.

The 5C wasn't really anything more than an iPhone 5 with a new shell, and Apple's previous strategy was always to drop the price of the old model when the new model came out.  This time they just gave the old one a facelift so people who didn't want to pay the full $199 could at least get something that looked newer.

That was the spin. In reality, Apple launched the 5C because they were having problems with producing enough iPhone5 metal shells (the same one used in the 5S), so rather than cut production on the newest model, they decided to pool all their metal shells to be used for the 5S and since they won't admit that in public in order to save face, they started making the iPhone5's with a plastic shell and spin it as a totally new completely designed product. It's why they stopped even selling iPhone5's, for the first time in history they retired the previous year model. They're even still making and selling iPhone4S's!


I'm sure there was some cost reduction for production as well.  Just like when MS, Sony, Nintendo, etc, introduce a 'slimline' version of a console for a lower price a few years in.  They can reconfigure the layout of the circuit boards, take advantage of die shrinks and cheaper parts available, and save money on production to improve their margins while cutting costs.
 
2013-10-15 04:08:37 AM

rocky_howard: That was the spin. In reality, Apple launched the 5C because they were having problems with producing enough iPhone5 metal shells (the same one used in the 5S), so rather than cut production on the newest model, they decided to pool all their metal shells to be used for the 5S and since they won't admit that in public in order to save face, they started making the iPhone5's with a plastic shell and spin it as a totally new completely designed product. It's why they stopped even selling iPhone5's, for the first time in history they retired the previous year model. They're even still making and selling iPhone4S's!


Sounds good, except for the fact that the 5s shell design is not identical to the 5.
 
2013-10-15 05:41:45 AM

Gig103: That sound you hear is Gig103 playing the world's smallest violin for Apple, for "only" being able to sell 150,000 phones per DAY.


It is the thing isn't it?  Halving something makes you think 'ooooo that's bad',  then you have to realise how big a batch is for a company like Apple.   Kinda like the AppleTV, everyone calls it a failure and it is... by Apple's standard; only ships around a million units per quarter.
 
2013-10-15 05:47:50 AM

rocky_howard: with producing enough iPhone5 metal shells


If they're having a hard time producing enough aluminum pieces, their supply chain is farked. There's literally no excuse for something like that if it's the case. Also if Apple wants to offer color, two words, anodized aluminum.
 
2013-10-15 06:15:56 AM
In other news, standard market forces affect Apple the same as other companies so all the purchasers are iSheep?

Don`t get me wrong I will rip into the bois as good as the next man but this isn`t really a story and is no justification for anything.
 
2013-10-15 07:14:44 AM
Do they have a factory in Compton yet ?
 
2013-10-15 07:14:45 AM

WhyteRaven74: rocky_howard: with producing enough iPhone5 metal shells

If they're having a hard time producing enough aluminum pieces, their supply chain is farked. There's literally no excuse for something like that if it's the case. Also if Apple wants to offer color, two words, anodized aluminum.


If it were an Alu sourcing problem you'd also hear pretty much every other OEM screaming about it as well.  It is what most PC heatsinks are made out of after all.

I think it's fair to say his source is his asshole, which also means he's taking some quite impressive quantities of drugs.  I've never yet had my asshole get chatty despite being high as the ISS.
 
2013-10-15 07:44:45 AM
Apple should have done like they've always done when they release a new phone. Make the previous generation phone the lower cost model.
 
2013-10-15 07:55:23 AM

gingerjet: Another "report" due to a rumor from heard by columnists brother's friends second cousins maid who saw something outside the fence of the local manufacturing plant that really only makes Gap jeans.  Tech news is only second to political news when it comes to complete bullshiat.


They actually cited the sole source and it's one that has given correct advance information in the past.
 
2013-10-15 08:11:38 AM
But can we get some benchmarks on it?
 
2013-10-15 08:13:14 AM

Gig103: That sound you hear is Gig103 playing the world's smallest violin for Apple, for "only" being able to sell produce 150,000 phones per DAY.


The 'article' made no mention of selling 150k 5Cs per day, just producing them.
 
2013-10-15 08:45:32 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Only if you consider anyone who buys an Apple product to be in the same audience.


Yup. I carry around at least four phones with me at all times, using each of them to their strengths. The 5C was a great addition to my bandolier.
 
2013-10-15 08:49:17 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Only if you consider anyone who buys an Apple product to be in the same audience.  Pretty much every other manufacturer markets both high end flagship devices as well as lower cost options.

The 5C wasn't really anything more than an iPhone 5 with a new shell, and Apple's previous strategy was always to drop the price of the old model when the new model came out.  This time they just gave the old one a facelift so people who didn't want to pay the full $199 could at least get something that looked newer.


Here is the difference......

If I pull out my android, unless you are some cell phone nut, for the most part, you aren't going to know if it was a freebie i got from my cell phone company, the latest flagship phone that was just released, or some old 3g clunker that I have been carrying around for the past 3 or 4 years.

If I pull out my iphone, you are going to immediately know if I have the "cheap" one or not.
 
2013-10-15 09:38:01 AM

Atillathepun: rocky_howard: That was the spin. In reality, Apple launched the 5C because they were having problems with producing enough iPhone5 metal shells (the same one used in the 5S), so rather than cut production on the newest model, they decided to pool all their metal shells to be used for the 5S and since they won't admit that in public in order to save face, they started making the iPhone5's with a plastic shell and spin it as a totally new completely designed product. It's why they stopped even selling iPhone5's, for the first time in history they retired the previous year model. They're even still making and selling iPhone4S's!

Sounds good, except for the fact that the 5s shell design is not identical to the 5.


Identical shell design is not the point he was making. Same material/process is. Whether it's identical down to the mounting points is irrelevant; it's close enough so as to not matter. They all probably go through the same laser cutter, it just comes down to which program it runs once it's in there. If you've only got so much aluminum to go around, or, you can only reliably create so many shells out of the aluminum you've got due to time or manufacturing issues or whatever, then make sure you use your limited supply to produce the new model.
 
2013-10-15 09:48:57 AM
Does anyone think the watch/phone will take off? I kind of want one.
 
2013-10-15 09:51:25 AM
I am not really sure, but it would seem that making the cheap model bright colours might have something to do with it. I mean I can see someone wanting to buy a cheaper version of the iphone. But if your phone is bright yellow indicating that you cheaped out that might turn a lot of people off (especially when for a lot of people having an iphone is a status symbol).
 
2013-10-15 09:55:27 AM

LineNoise: If I pull out my iphone, you are going to immediately know if I have the "cheap" one or not.


I wouldn't know the difference. You could put every generation of iPhone ever made side by side and, for lack of evidence of physical age, I wouldn't be able to tell which was which.

It's probably because I'm not a narcissist who obsesses over a f*cking cell phone, though...
=Smidge=
 
2013-10-15 10:01:24 AM

LineNoise: TuteTibiImperes: Only if you consider anyone who buys an Apple product to be in the same audience.  Pretty much every other manufacturer markets both high end flagship devices as well as lower cost options.

The 5C wasn't really anything more than an iPhone 5 with a new shell, and Apple's previous strategy was always to drop the price of the old model when the new model came out.  This time they just gave the old one a facelift so people who didn't want to pay the full $199 could at least get something that looked newer.

Here is the difference......

If I pull out my android, unless you are some cell phone nut, for the most part, you aren't going to know if it was a freebie i got from my cell phone company, the latest flagship phone that was just released, or some old 3g clunker that I have been carrying around for the past 3 or 4 years.

If I pull out my iphone, you are going to immediately know if I have the "cheap" one or not.


Exactly it.  At AT$T when I get a manager escalation or a tech escalation they all want/have the 5s, they feel the 5c looks cheap and does nothing special over the 4s.  So it relates into the publics perception of how cool you are by the device you own.

Also, part of our corporate strategy was to insure that the iphone 5s and 5c were only sold via the stores, the websites, and only 1 other department.  The 5c sales were so abysmal now all of our channels can sell it and Apple agreed to let Walmart, Best Buy, and Radio Shack sell it for 50 bucks two weeks ago.
 
2013-10-15 10:03:38 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: Does anyone think the watch/phone will take off? I kind of want one.


I don't know, but I did find it kind of cool that Samsung worked some Babylon 5 clips into its smartwatch commercial.
 
2013-10-15 10:13:45 AM
I haven't seen an ad for the 5S demographic, but I thought the 5C was aimed at:

Busty German women wishing someone a good morning on the beach

People in hash dens with carpeted walls, sitting on swings, that only have a second

Eduarrrrrrrrdo Lucas

Stereotype Aussie surfers that still say "g'day cobber" like they're Leo Wanka on The Paul Hogan Show

Stereotype Hispanics with pedo mustaches and drainpipe jeans that know people called Mister Mojito

Roof-gardening hipsters picking carrots

Fat Klingon LARPers

Stereotype Japanese girls dressed as anime extras (tomashimasu ...meow) 

Stereotype flamboyantly loud black men with minstrel facial expressions (WHAAAAAAAT?)

Doctor Flamenco (Doctor Flamenco?)
 
2013-10-15 10:33:17 AM
I got a 5 for $99 like four months ago. Apple expects to sell a plastic piece of chit, for the same price? Nice business if you can get it, but everyone will want the 5s. So they can cover it with a plastic case...
 
2013-10-15 10:36:38 AM

Jackpot777: I haven't seen an ad for the 5S demographic, but I thought the 5C was aimed at:

Busty German women wishing someone a good morning on the beach

People in hash dens with carpeted walls, sitting on swings, that only have a second

Eduarrrrrrrrdo Lucas

Stereotype Aussie surfers that still say "g'day cobber" like they're Leo Wanka on The Paul Hogan Show

Stereotype Hispanics with pedo mustaches and drainpipe jeans that know people called Mister Mojito

Roof-gardening hipsters picking carrots

Fat Klingon LARPers

Stereotype Japanese girls dressed as anime extras (tomashimasu ...meow) 

Stereotype flamboyantly loud black men with minstrel facial expressions (WHAAAAAAAT?)

Doctor Flamenco (Doctor Flamenco?)



Exactly.

If anything that commercial makes me not want to buy an iPhone.
 
2013-10-15 10:51:43 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: Does anyone think the watch/phone will take off? I kind of want one.


If Samsung would have made it compatible with any Android phone, I think it would have some legs.
As it is right now, you have to have a Samsung Galaxy Note 3.
 
2013-10-15 11:00:41 AM

Smidge204: It's probably because I'm not a narcissist who obsesses over a f*cking cell phone, though...
=Smidge=


No, but you are narcissistic enough to type out that stupid name signature in every single post, despite your username being directly over your comment.
 
2013-10-15 11:09:06 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: TrainingWheelsNeeded: Does anyone think the watch/phone will take off? I kind of want one.

If Samsung would have made it compatible with any Android phone, I think it would have some legs.
As it is right now, you have to have a Samsung Galaxy Note 3.


I know Samsung is working to release updated 4.3 builds for their other flagship devices right now, but I'm not sure if it'll include the necessary stuff to pair to a watch.
 
2013-10-15 11:47:15 AM

bingethinker: Wow Subby, you totally destroyed that straw man.


This wouldn't be an Apple thread without our favorite Apple fanboy.
 
2013-10-15 11:55:56 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: TrainingWheelsNeeded: Does anyone think the watch/phone will take off? I kind of want one.

If Samsung would have made it compatible with any Android phone, I think it would have some legs.
As it is right now, you have to have a Samsung Galaxy Note 3.




I abandoned the iPhone market for a Note 3 a few weeks ago, and even I didn't want/need the Galaxy Gear. I really don't want another phone on my wrist, with all the guts and gizmos that that contains.

The Pebble however comes *really* close. I'm already carrying a mini-computer...I just want the thing on my wrist to be an extension of it. But it would be nice if it looked a little bit classier than the Pebble (the bezel is too darn big) while adding some of the motion tracking/ fitness stuff a fitbit has. Maybe next year the electronics will have shrunk enough to make a more classic design possible.
 
2013-10-15 12:02:58 PM
IOS 7 has been the bane of Exchange. It almost makes me want to reinstall BES. Almost.

The corporate integration has been so bad that if BB released a phone that would directly talk to Exchange without requiring BES that I'd buy it. Maybe even if they re-released BES Express.

But now it looks like Droid is our future.
 
2013-10-15 12:05:37 PM

APE992: bingethinker: Wow Subby, you totally destroyed that straw man.

This wouldn't be an Apple thread without our favorite Apple fanboy.


I didn't even see the strawman argument. Apple obviously miscalculated the number of 5c units they could move.
 
2013-10-15 12:05:42 PM

MadMattressMack: IOS 7 has been the bane of Exchange. It almost makes me want to reinstall BES. Almost.

The corporate integration has been so bad that if BB released a phone that would directly talk to Exchange without requiring BES that I'd buy it. Maybe even if they re-released BES Express.

But now it looks like Droid is our future.


Wouldn't Windows Phone 8 work very well with exchange?
 
2013-10-15 12:09:03 PM
I was just in San Francisco this weekend for a little break from the SoCal madness, and this little fact became obvious to the point of obnoxiousness:

90% of the people I noticed had....iPhones.  I was astounded by the fact that at the BOudin Bakery in the Wharf, I looked around and most people were glued to their iPHone.  I saw a few Androids and I even saw 2(!) non-smartphones.

But the wharf, dinner at Waterbar, airport, and the BART, I was surrounded by iPhones everywhere.  Granted, it is SF and Apple is right down the street, but come on.  When I returned to San Diego, you saw a much more diverse phone population.  Weird.
 
2013-10-15 12:10:18 PM

TuteTibiImperes: MadMattressMack: IOS 7 has been the bane of Exchange. It almost makes me want to reinstall BES. Almost.

The corporate integration has been so bad that if BB released a phone that would directly talk to Exchange without requiring BES that I'd buy it. Maybe even if they re-released BES Express.

But now it looks like Droid is our future.

Wouldn't Windows Phone 8 work very well with exchange?


True, but I haven't messed with it enough. I suppose I should get a seed unit and try living with it for a while. I just never think Windows and phone. I had a WinMo 6.2 and it was OK, but my experiences with Win 8 on tablet has been low enough (though not entirely terrible) that it turned me off to the thought that I should give it a try. And the tablet experience blew the desktop experience out of the water.
 
2013-10-15 12:13:40 PM

Smidge204: LineNoise: If I pull out my iphone, you are going to immediately know if I have the "cheap" one or not.

I wouldn't know the difference. You could put every generation of iPhone ever made side by side and, for lack of evidence of physical age, I wouldn't be able to tell which was which.

It's probably because I'm not a narcissist who obsesses over a f*cking cell phone, though...
=Smidge=


Nope this is totally true.  Most people can't tell the 5s unless it is a gold one.  This is from personal experience.
 
2013-10-15 12:14:42 PM

MadMattressMack: TuteTibiImperes: MadMattressMack: IOS 7 has been the bane of Exchange. It almost makes me want to reinstall BES. Almost.

The corporate integration has been so bad that if BB released a phone that would directly talk to Exchange without requiring BES that I'd buy it. Maybe even if they re-released BES Express.

But now it looks like Droid is our future.

Wouldn't Windows Phone 8 work very well with exchange?

True, but I haven't messed with it enough. I suppose I should get a seed unit and try living with it for a while. I just never think Windows and phone. I had a WinMo 6.2 and it was OK, but my experiences with Win 8 on tablet has been low enough (though not entirely terrible) that it turned me off to the thought that I should give it a try. And the tablet experience blew the desktop experience out of the water.


I'd suggest giving it a try.  I've had one for the past year (after coming from an iPhone) and I really like it.  It's a huge improvement over Windows Mobile 6.x and while it shares a lot of the metro design cues from Windows 8, it's a separate OS, and more cohesive overall.  It's purpose designed for handheld mobile use, not a reworked desktop OS crammed into a phone.
 
2013-10-15 12:19:03 PM

fatalvenom: Jackpot777: I haven't seen an ad for the 5S demographic, but I thought the 5C was aimed at:

Busty German women wishing someone a good morning on the beach

People in hash dens with carpeted walls, sitting on swings, that only have a second

Eduarrrrrrrrdo Lucas

Stereotype Aussie surfers that still say "g'day cobber" like they're Leo Wanka on The Paul Hogan Show

Stereotype Hispanics with pedo mustaches and drainpipe jeans that know people called Mister Mojito

Roof-gardening hipsters picking carrots

Fat Klingon LARPers

Stereotype Japanese girls dressed as anime extras (tomashimasu ...meow) 

Stereotype flamboyantly loud black men with minstrel facial expressions (WHAAAAAAAT?)

Doctor Flamenco (Doctor Flamenco?)


Exactly.

If anything that commercial makes me not want to buy an iPhone.


That was one of those ads that was so bad, I've already tuned out to what product is being sold.

/Is it raining outside?
 
2013-10-15 12:21:38 PM

fatalvenom: Jackpot777: I haven't seen an ad for the 5S demographic, but I thought the 5C was aimed at:

Busty German women wishing someone a good morning on the beach

People in hash dens with carpeted walls, sitting on swings, that only have a second

Eduarrrrrrrrdo Lucas

Stereotype Aussie surfers that still say "g'day cobber" like they're Leo Wanka on The Paul Hogan Show

Stereotype Hispanics with pedo mustaches and drainpipe jeans that know people called Mister Mojito

Roof-gardening hipsters picking carrots

Fat Klingon LARPers

Stereotype Japanese girls dressed as anime extras (tomashimasu ...meow) 

Stereotype flamboyantly loud black men with minstrel facial expressions (WHAAAAAAAT?)

Doctor Flamenco (Doctor Flamenco?)


Exactly.

If anything that commercial makes me not want to buy an iPhone.


At least it's not as up it's own ass as the "This is our signature: Apple - Designed in Calafornia" commercials. Now those were terrible.
 
2013-10-15 12:22:34 PM
I still can't justify $600 for a FARKING PHONE!

/and that's the "cheap" one!?
 
2013-10-15 12:37:36 PM

sure haven't: Smidge204: It's probably because I'm not a narcissist who obsesses over a f*cking cell phone, though...
=Smidge=

No, but you are narcissistic enough to type out that stupid name signature in every single post, despite your username being directly over your comment.


I've wanted to say that ever since I saw that silly shiat popping up. Everyone already knows who made the comment! Thanks.
 
2013-10-15 12:39:44 PM

ajgeek: I still can't justify $600 for a FARKING PHONE!

/and that's the "cheap" one!?



You really think it is just a phone?
 
2013-10-15 12:48:59 PM

Mi-5: I was just in San Francisco this weekend for a little break from the SoCal madness, and this little fact became obvious to the point of obnoxiousness:

90% of the people I noticed had....iPhones.  I was astounded by the fact that at the BOudin Bakery in the Wharf, I looked around and most people were glued to their iPHone.  I saw a few Androids and I even saw 2(!) non-smartphones.

But the wharf, dinner at Waterbar, airport, and the BART, I was surrounded by iPhones everywhere.  Granted, it is SF and Apple is right down the street, but come on.  When I returned to San Diego, you saw a much more diverse phone population.  Weird.


Apple is still a big status item for certain demos.  This will age and wear away with time, but I'd guess San Francisco is still Ground Zero for Apple-heads.  Even in Manhattan you see everything among young professionals.
 
2013-10-15 12:53:22 PM

JustMatt: At least it's not as up it's own ass as the "This is our signature: Apple - Designed in Calafornia" commercials. Now those were terrible.


www.digitaltrends.com

"Bet I could think of worse, bro"

 
2013-10-15 12:58:26 PM

lostsatellite: sure haven't: Smidge204: It's probably because I'm not a narcissist who obsesses over a f*cking cell phone, though...
=Smidge=

No, but you are narcissistic enough to type out that stupid name signature in every single post, despite your username being directly over your comment.

I've wanted to say that ever since I saw that silly shiat popping up. Everyone already knows who made the comment! Thanks.


I agree.

3horn
 
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