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(The Eagle Tribune)   HS volleyball captain and honor student demoted and suspended for five games, because she drove to a party to pick up a friend who was too drunk to drive   (eagletribune.com) divider line 23
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2013-10-15 05:15:26 AM  
4 votes:
Back in my day, we had Safe Rides" where student volunteers would pick up students who had been drinking or whose designated driver had been drinking, and give them a ride home. Police weren't called, and no one got in trouble for using it.

This is total fail on the school. What a terrible lesson for the kids.
2013-10-15 05:07:38 AM  
3 votes:

RoyBatty: Due to their choice of attorney, which may or may not be their fault, I find it difficult to believe anything they are saying.

I am not saying they are lying. I am not saying the girl did anything wrong. I am very glad they have an attorney - I think more parents should sue zero tolerance policies, I am saying Wendy Murphy is a media whore and a known liar and her association with the family makes me more skeptical than I might otherwise be.

She makes Gloria Allred seem balanced.


I'd agree, but (at least according to the article):
Police arrested several students for underage possession of alcohol, however, Cox was cleared by police for not drinking or in the possession of alcohol

That's good enough for me.
GBB
2013-10-15 05:34:14 AM  
2 votes:
Easy fix: have the entire volleyball team quit in protest.
Who wants to be on a team that's managed by idiots anyway?
2013-10-15 01:04:01 AM  
2 votes:
Due to their choice of attorney, which may or may not be their fault, I find it difficult to believe anything they are saying.

I am not saying they are lying. I am not saying the girl did anything wrong. I am very glad they have an attorney - I think more parents should sue zero tolerance policies, I am saying Wendy Murphy is a media whore and a known liar and her association with the family makes me more skeptical than I might otherwise be.

She makes Gloria Allred seem balanced.
2013-10-15 12:08:45 AM  
2 votes:
Yay for zero tolerance!
2013-10-16 07:24:37 AM  
1 votes:

Texian: Okay, fine. I'll do it:

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Fark makes me sad.  A perfectly good Volleyball thread ruined with discussion of educational policy.
2013-10-15 05:55:18 PM  
1 votes:

IRQ12: Jesus do we really need to waste space with these snowflake stories?  She had some stupid punishment for an extracurricular activity that will have zero affect on her life aside from "shucks ma that's not fair".

Whoever submitted this should be slightly less ashamed than thew person who greened isense


Do you have no sense of justice at all? It isn't about whether there would be lasting consequences for this girl, it's a matter of attempting to engender some respect for authority. Now, I personally have a healthy disrespect for authority, but you can't expect people to go through their formative years getting farked by the machine with nothing more than a "tough shiat, life ain't fair" attitude and not expect those people to grow up to hate those institutions for which they should have some modicum of respect.

It's like nobody cares whether laws and policies make sense and are about balance and order (arguably the definition of justice). It's more about mental midgets in power protecting their pocketbooks by hiding behind the shield of law or zero tolerance and yelling at others to get farked lest they decide to make things worse for the plebs.
2013-10-15 02:59:07 PM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: lack of warmth: durbnpoisn: This sucks for her.  That's obvious.  But there was an easy way around this, assuming that she was aware of the strict, zero tollerance policy.

All she had to do was have her friend walk down the street.  Away from the party.  Pick her up there.  The friend was coherant enough to call for a ride.  I'm sure she could walk a couple of hundred yards.

I am sure the alternative she is being told is to call an adult to pick up the friend, and let her friend face the consequences on her own.  This is the wiser choice, since no one could punish her anymore than just losing a friend who makes poor choices.  No, I don't think the punishment matches the crime, however she isn't clean in this.  As she did try to help her friend cover up a legal wrong.

/I know I don't sound fun, but I have managed to not get arrested.

Okay.  So clearly the friend didn't want her parents to find out.  And look at where that got her.
But you're correct on one thing...  The wisest choice of all would have been for the girl to go to her mother and say, "Can you please help me go pick up my friend?"

I know if the situation were to occur in my family, and it was my daughter who's friend needed help, my wife or I would pick up the friend without a 2nd thought.  And if the friend's parents got pissed about it, I would personally tell them to go fark themselves.


Did this a couple of times when mine were in High School.

Better a live kid in trouble with the parental units than going to a funeral.
2013-10-15 12:31:57 PM  
1 votes:
Okay, fine. I'll do it:

i44.tinypic.com
2013-10-15 11:29:05 AM  
1 votes:

MycroftHolmes: There is the principle behind zero tolerance rules, and the application.  I will challenge you to do this, though.  Try to come up with an enforceable rule that has clearly defined boundaries that 1) punishes those that do wrong, but 2) does not punish those that did not do wrong.  It is hard to come up with a rule (or a law) that concurrently has no loopholes that is also not overly strict.

The way it worked when I was in school (back when dinosaurs walked the earth) was that the local principles had little discretion, but that a hearing with a senior administrator at the main office could reverse a zero tolerance rule.  But even then, I can see how that much discretion could easily be used to abuse.


Oh I agree it's hard, I just feel that erring on the side of punishing the innocent to make sure you get all of the guilty is not the correct way to construct rules.
2013-10-15 09:29:36 AM  
1 votes:
"God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board." - Mark Twain
2013-10-15 09:18:36 AM  
1 votes:

Fizpez: Look, I 100% agree it's stupid and it sucks but the schools are in full "turtle mode" when it comes to legal challenges - they want to be able to say "We have done EVERYTHING we could, please go away"  We get pissed when a situation which obviously calls for a little tact and thought makes the press but day in and day out its these idiotic policies that limit how much they get sued.



Unfortunately, letting everyone get away with pointing fingers at policies and lawyers is exactly what the despicable people who promote zero-tolerance policies are trying to achieve.

"Turtle mode" is perceived as easier and safer than attempting to behave ethically or responsibly. If we could find a way to make this form of turtling intolerably damaging, *maybe* we'd begin to see conduct defensible on its own merits rather than bad acts shielded by the existence of an idiotic policy.

/imagine the people responsible for educating children *not* modelling cowardly abdication of responsibility
//not disagreeing, just sayin'
2013-10-15 07:50:20 AM  
1 votes:
School districts love zero tolerance because it relieves the administrators of having to exercise any sort of judgement, and of subsequently being held accountable for their decisions. They can just point to the policy and say, "We had no choice, we had to follow the policy."

It's not just asinine, it's cowardly.
2013-10-15 07:43:11 AM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Yay for zero tolerance!


ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE
2013-10-15 06:49:26 AM  
1 votes:

cc_rider: Back in my day, we had Safe Rides" where student volunteers would pick up students who had been drinking or whose designated driver had been drinking, and give them a ride home. Police weren't called, and no one got in trouble for using it.

This is total fail on the school. What a terrible lesson for the kids.


I have never seen zero tolerance policies show any wholesome life lessons. Pretty much every case ends with the school board saying fark you to everyone.
2013-10-15 06:45:23 AM  
1 votes:

jaayjones: "She might as well just let it go, when you're dealing with primary and secondary-school administrators, you're not really dealing with the cream of the crop of civil servants and stupid sometimes happens,  "

As opposed to the genius in the Whitehouse


The choads come out in the morning hours, I suppose...
2013-10-15 06:37:36 AM  
1 votes:
"She might as well just let it go, when you're dealing with primary and secondary-school administrators, you're not really dealing with the cream of the crop of civil servants and stupid sometimes happens,  "

As opposed to the genius in the Whitehouse
2013-10-15 06:14:13 AM  
1 votes:
Schools should not have rules that apply outside their property lines.  If something happens outside of school let the law deal with it.  There should be a collective of lawyers that do nothing but sue schools for retarded overreaching like this.  Unless its a private school that makes you sign a huge bs contract.  Public schools should be forced back into their box by running out of funds through lawsuits.
2013-10-15 06:04:24 AM  
1 votes:

BumpInTheNight: Sounds innocent enough from that slant but it could easily have been...

Arrive fashionably late at party right as the cops show up?
"I was just here to pick up a friend!"

Meh, 1rst world problems.


Pretty easy to disprove if you got asked for a ride by text message or something.

Though... that would involve getting her friend in trouble, so nuts to that, I'd still go with just living with the penalty and just refusing to help the school in the future.  Passive resistance is surprisingly effective if you're one of a school's top academic performers like they're claiming, they really want it to be seen that you love school 'n shiat.
2013-10-15 05:38:18 AM  
1 votes:
Eh, volleyball's not a big recruiting thing for colleges, so in all fairness this only hurts the school in the long run -- they lose the cooperation and participation of one of their better students, her college applications look essentially completely identical.

She might as well just let it go, when you're dealing with primary and secondary-school administrators, you're not really dealing with the cream of the crop of civil servants and stupid sometimes happens, principals and superintendents are the people that didn't have the brains to make it in construction or the people skills to swing it at the DMV.
2013-10-15 05:34:26 AM  
1 votes:
she knew what she was getting into


maryville, missouri has a lovely courthouse, incidentally
2013-10-15 05:05:57 AM  
1 votes:
So you're saying that women play volleyball?  I've never heard of such a concept, and am having difficulty visualizing it, so I think some photos would be helpful.
2013-10-15 12:52:51 AM  
1 votes:
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