RoyBatty: Due to their choice of attorney, which may or may not be their fault, I find it difficult to believe anything they are saying.I am not saying they are lying. I am not saying the girl did anything wrong. I am very glad they have an attorney - I think more parents should sue zero tolerance policies, I am saying Wendy Murphy is a media whore and a known liar and her association with the family makes me more skeptical than I might otherwise be.She makes Gloria Allred seem balanced.
Texian: Okay, fine. I'll do it:[i44.tinypic.com image 698x1023]
IRQ12: Jesus do we really need to waste space with these snowflake stories? She had some stupid punishment for an extracurricular activity that will have zero affect on her life aside from "shucks ma that's not fair".Whoever submitted this should be slightly less ashamed than thew person who greened isense
durbnpoisn: lack of warmth: durbnpoisn: This sucks for her. That's obvious. But there was an easy way around this, assuming that she was aware of the strict, zero tollerance policy.All she had to do was have her friend walk down the street. Away from the party. Pick her up there. The friend was coherant enough to call for a ride. I'm sure she could walk a couple of hundred yards.I am sure the alternative she is being told is to call an adult to pick up the friend, and let her friend face the consequences on her own. This is the wiser choice, since no one could punish her anymore than just losing a friend who makes poor choices. No, I don't think the punishment matches the crime, however she isn't clean in this. As she did try to help her friend cover up a legal wrong./I know I don't sound fun, but I have managed to not get arrested.Okay. So clearly the friend didn't want her parents to find out. And look at where that got her.But you're correct on one thing... The wisest choice of all would have been for the girl to go to her mother and say, "Can you please help me go pick up my friend?"I know if the situation were to occur in my family, and it was my daughter who's friend needed help, my wife or I would pick up the friend without a 2nd thought. And if the friend's parents got pissed about it, I would personally tell them to go fark themselves.
MycroftHolmes: There is the principle behind zero tolerance rules, and the application. I will challenge you to do this, though. Try to come up with an enforceable rule that has clearly defined boundaries that 1) punishes those that do wrong, but 2) does not punish those that did not do wrong. It is hard to come up with a rule (or a law) that concurrently has no loopholes that is also not overly strict.The way it worked when I was in school (back when dinosaurs walked the earth) was that the local principles had little discretion, but that a hearing with a senior administrator at the main office could reverse a zero tolerance rule. But even then, I can see how that much discretion could easily be used to abuse.
Fizpez: Look, I 100% agree it's stupid and it sucks but the schools are in full "turtle mode" when it comes to legal challenges - they want to be able to say "We have done EVERYTHING we could, please go away" We get pissed when a situation which obviously calls for a little tact and thought makes the press but day in and day out its these idiotic policies that limit how much they get sued.
fusillade762: Yay for zero tolerance!
cc_rider: Back in my day, we had Safe Rides" where student volunteers would pick up students who had been drinking or whose designated driver had been drinking, and give them a ride home. Police weren't called, and no one got in trouble for using it.This is total fail on the school. What a terrible lesson for the kids.
jaayjones: "She might as well just let it go, when you're dealing with primary and secondary-school administrators, you're not really dealing with the cream of the crop of civil servants and stupid sometimes happens, "As opposed to the genius in the Whitehouse
BumpInTheNight: Sounds innocent enough from that slant but it could easily have been...Arrive fashionably late at party right as the cops show up?"I was just here to pick up a friend!"Meh, 1rst world problems.
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